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Re: willow character study

Postby TarotX » Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:41 pm

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Now, I'm with you on other stuff, but that was crackalicious




Why? I think she might have because if you go by what vampXander said in The wish, Cordy was an old crush of his. We know Jessie liked her. I think it's not weird to think that maybe Willow did as well. I' don't know but it's only a small part of my thoughts.



I don't think being "gay" is Willow's problem. It just might be what made Willow feel different and build up her need to be perfect so that nobody would notice. Other things cause problems like this. Child abuse and stuff.



Ok-this whole Cordy thing was a tiny part of what I was trying to say. I don't know anything about the psychological affects of hiding homosexuality and I didn't mean to cause yet another conflict. I just oftered that as why Willow might have felt the way she did but I did add other things cause these kinds of problems. I didn't mean to make any generalizations about homosexuality. I come at this from a different place as most of you. I know I need to just shut up! I'm just making it worse even though I don't mean too. Sorry again :(



I like giving my opinions on Willow and Tara without fear that I will say something wrong. I don't know how to fix this. I like all of you guys.

Edited by: TarotX at: 4/21/02 10:10:41 pm
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Re: willow character study

Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:45 pm

There's also the fact that she was a *very* bright, overachieving, and apparently fairly ignored child. She wanted attention. She wanted acceptance. She wanted praise. I think there is plenty of explaination without assuming the root of all of Willow's psychological problems are her homosexuality and a possible crush on Cordy.

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Re: willow character study

Postby girlwiththebraids » Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:15 pm

see, now i agreed with tarot x's assesment of some of willow's issues without necessarily feeling that they all stemmed from being gay...maybe because i was a socially awkward overachiever, i do understand that part of willow all too well...but i agreed with tarot x on the basis that her character assessments in general were strong, even if the overarching statement that they were rooted in her sexuality is not necessarily true...



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"when your hope is all but shattered, when your faith is all but killed, you can give up bitter and battered, or you can slowly start to build..."

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Re: willow character study

Postby TarotX » Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:34 pm

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even if the overarching statement that they were rooted in her sexuality




See the thing is that wasn't what I was saying. I was just giving that as reason but my point was not about sexuality at all!! My point was that Willow's problem isn't about "power" it's about a need to feel she isn't different, that she does belong and that she is needed and loved. Whatever the cause Willow has low self-confidence. She doesn't think she's good enough if she's just herself. So she has unconsciously went about being the perfect Willow for everybody in her life. She as come to a point that she thinks she can fix things and everything will be perfect. If everything is perfect then nobody (especially herself) will see that she is still just plain Willow.

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Re: willow character study

Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:45 pm

Oh, definitely agree with that Tarot X. My only disagreement was how much of that tied back into her sexual orientation. My own personal opinion is, probably not much.

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Re: willow character study

Postby TarotX » Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:53 pm

Wiccagrrl313 you're probably right because in a lot of ways Xander is the same. Except instead of trying to make things perfect he makes jokes....and eats food! They are both trying to hide their real selfs or I should say the self they see as real.

Edited by: TarotX at: 4/21/02 10:56:27 pm
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Re: willow character study

Postby MarineWicca » Mon Apr 22, 2002 5:08 pm

Found this quote over the week-end. What's happening is that she's discovering the truths inherent in the quote below. They're truths we all learn, and they never change:

"You wouldn't understand that, would you Spock? You see I feel sorrier for you than I do for him because you'll never know the things love can drive a person to; the ecstasies, the miseries, the broken rules, the desperate chances, the glorious failures and the glorious victories. All these things you'll never know because love isn't written in your book!"

McCoy to Spock, Requiem for Methuselah

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Re: willow character study

Postby tommo » Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:02 pm

Yes...marine wicca, I see the point you're making here. But in all honesty, I think we've already seen Willow do that, in Tough Love. To me, this is just a really exaggerated repeat of that episode and the message it carried. The problem being this time that it won't matter what Willow does; she can't bring Tara back.


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Re: willow character study

Postby MarineWicca » Tue Apr 23, 2002 10:06 am

Point taken. A little ironic, don't you think, that it was Willow herself who coined the phrase "Love makes you do the wacky." Of course, calling the stuff she does after Tara's death wacky is like calling Pearl Harbor a minor military misunderstanding

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Re: willow character study

Postby tommo » Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:15 pm

Of course, the Willow that said "Love makes you do the wacky" had only ever seen it from the outside looking in. I'm sure if she'd actually felt love at that time, she might have rephrased somewhat.


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Re: willow character study

Postby Sheridan » Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:14 pm

I don't think Willow's sexuality contributed to her problems at High School. I do think High School may have contributed to her problems with facing her sexuality. Prior to Buffy's arrival she was either shunned or bullied by other girls, and her only friends were both male. Add in her general angst and need for parental approval and you pretty much have it. As soon as she leaves home and enters an environment where she fits in she begins to blossom, all it needs then is a certain Wicca group meeting...

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: willow character study

Postby tommo » Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:52 pm

Well Willow's always been restricted by other people, not by herself. She's always wanted to please others, not herself. Because you know, we all know that once Willow did start to please herself by pursuing a relationship with Tara...then BANG! The End.


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Re: willow character study

Postby Sheridan » Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:11 pm

It does seem as though Willow is only allowed to be with tara as means to make her suffer more, now to the point of destroying everything that made her who she was. I'm sorry to be pessimistic but yes Xander talks her off that cliff, what happens though when she wakes up tomorrow and reaches out to find no one there?

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

Sheridan
 


What happens now?

Postby Kendahl897 » Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:21 pm

I went back and watched the episode where Willow wrecks the car with Dawn inside. In the end, she decides to give up magic. They then show her in bed going through horrible withdrawals. What kind of withdrawals will she go through after consuming THIS much dark magic? And second, if this season is about growing up, part of growing up means accepting the consequences of your action. What then will they do about the fact that Willow killed another human being, ie Warren?

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Re: What happens now?

Postby urnofosiris » Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:30 pm

Buffy tried to kill Faith, Buffy killed those knights, Giles killed Ben, Xander indirectly killed that guy in OMWF, Anya killed who knows how many men in her good old demon days, none of them were shown to go through a great deal of torment over it, so no doubt Willow *will* be shown and made to suffer until hell freezes over.



bitter bitterer bitterest

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Re: What happens now?

Postby Sheridan » Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:45 pm

Well Giles did have to take out Ben, and we have always known he had ruthless streak under that tweed.

Xander is the king of denial, and will simply persuade himself that it wasn't really his fault.

Buffy versus fatih was rough, but it was a fair fight where Faith had every chance to defend herself, and Buffy didn't get her she would surely have gotten Buffy. The Knights were self defence, and again they started it.



Willow on the other hand blames herself for stuff she isn't even responsible for, and besides its academic, she's so grief stricken I doubt she will even work her way round to remorse for what she did to Warren. From the spoilers I can't see what is going to stop her trying to take her own life again, especially if you add magic withdrawal on top of everything else.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

Sheridan
 


Speaking of academic

Postby TinyJewishSanta » Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:22 pm

I thought this thread might be interested in a paper that I proposed to the annual religious studies conference. It was accepted, but I can't give the paper because I had other papers accepted that are actually in my field and there is a limit. Anyway - lucky me because it sure seems like my thesis has been shot to hell.



From Lesbian Vampire to Lesbian Witch: From Dangerous Sexuality to Queer Icon



I propose to address the construction of one prime-time queer character, Willow Rosenberg of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Unlike the other queer camp favorite, Xena: Warrior Princess, with its intentionally polysemic relationship between Xena and her sidekick Gabrielle, BtVS does not leave its audience guessing about the nature of the relationship between Willow and her girlfriend Tara Maclay. [On the polysemy of X: WP, see Elyce Rae Helford, “Feminism, Queer Studies, and the Sexual Politics of Xena: Warrior Princess” in Fantasy Girls (2000),135-162.] However, when first hinting at Willow’s queerness, BtVS did exploit various subtexts. Initially, BtVS engaged the well-know film image of the lesbian vampire; subsequently, it turned to the more positively valued lesbian wicca. This transformation sought to undermine the message of the lesbian vampire that lesbian sexuality is inherently dangerous.



In the beginning of BtVS, Willow is a shy, intelligent, apparently straight high school sophomore with an affinity for magic. She has two male interests in the first three seasons of the show: her best friend Xander and her boyfriend Oz. In their senior year, she has a brief romance with Xander, which is discovered by Xander’s girlfriend, Cordelia. Cordelia’s anger sets the stage for learning more about Willow’s sexuality. In “The Wish,” a vengeance demon grants Cordelia’s wish that Buffy had never come to Sunnydale (had Buffy never come to Sunnydale, Cordelia would never have dated Xander). In a Buffy-less Sunnydale, however, vampires dominate the town and many of the students, including Xander and Willow, are among their numbers. Vampire Willow is not the computer-oriented girl who wears clothes with fuzzy characters on them; she is a bisexual, leather-wearing dominatrix.



Although this alternate reality is destroyed, vampire Willow reappears in “Dopplegangland” summoned by a spell that Willow botches. In this episode, the two Willows come face to face. Vampire Willow corners Willow and, after taking a long lick along her neck, suggests that she come around to her “way of thinking.” Willow responds with extreme anxiety, “Would that mean we have to snuggle?” Willow breaks free, shoots Vampire Willow with a tranquilizer gun, and locks her in a cage until Buffy and the others return. A distraught Willow says to Buffy, “It’s horrible! That’s me as a vampire? I look so evil and skanky, and I think I’m kinda gay!” Buffy reassures her that the vampire has nothing to do with the person it was. However, she is corrected; the opposite is actually true.



The encounter between the two Willows works on a number of different levels. First, it recalls lesbian vampires of film who are frequently portrayed as narcissistic, a Freudian comment on the infantile nature of lesbian sexuality. [See Twins of Evil and Andrea Weiss, Vampires and Violets (1992), 94.] More importantly, it informs the audience that Willow is innately bisexual. Furthermore, we learn that she is deeply disturbed by her sexuality and that she, literally, is fighting it. Ultimately, however, Willow is unable to slay her bisexual vampire self and arranges to send her back to the alternate dimension. As they embrace goodbye, Willow abruptly ends the hug when the slyly smiling vampire runs her hands down Willow’s body. In the alternate dimension, vampire Willow is returned to a fight scene in which Oz stakes her. Oz’s action recalls the final act of the lesbian vampire film in which the man kills the lesbian vampire and saves the mortal woman from her advances. [Weiss, 103.] Oz also, of course, protects Willow from her queer self as her first heterosexual lover and dispels, for the time being, the danger of her true sexuality.



Oz, however, is a werewolf who has to cage himself during the full moon. In their first year of college, in “Wild at Heart,” Oz meets a female werewolf whom he draws into his cage for animal sex on the pretext of keeping her from attacking humans. Oz subsequently leaves Sunnydale in order to learn how to control his inner wolf. Willow overcomes Oz’s betrayal and absence through a friendship with another wicca, Tara. Willow and Tara grow closer by performing a number of spells, which not only have romantic qualities, but also make them breathe heavily and bring them to orgasm. The never subtle subtext of spells as sex and witches as lesbians becomes increasingly obvious both to Willow and Tara and to the audience. [On lesbianism and TV witches, see Sarah Projansky and Leah R. Vande Berg, “Sabrina, the Teenage...? Girls, Witches, Mortals, and the Limitations of Prime-Time Feminism” in Fantasy Girls, 13-40.] At this point, Oz returns, having found a way to control the wolf during the full moon.



Since there is no new man in Willow’s life, Oz wrongly assumes that she is available. Willow doesn’t correct him, spending much of “New Moon Rising” undecided. Oz discovers the truth when, with his heightened werewolf senses, he smells Willow, but turns around and sees only Tara. He transforms into the wolf and chases Tara. Once again, he tries to attack and destroy the lesbian element of Willow, but this time he fails. Tara escapes, and in the end, Willow chooses Tara over Oz. Willow’s adolescent fear of her own sexuality is transformed by understanding her sexuality not through the negative image imposed on it through the male gaze (lesbian vampire), but through the lens of a women’s power movement (lesbian wicca).



Although magic is ambiguously typed in the show (good magic verses dark, addictive magic), any negative connection that it might have to the inherent queerness of the two women is repeatedly rejected. The positive portrayal of this same-sex relationship has been received extremely well by lesbians. [“The Kitten, the Witches and the Bad Wardrobe,” a website dedicated to Willow and Tara, provides an introduction board in which people frequently reveal their age, occupation, and sexuality.] In the final analysis, the move from lesbian vampire to lesbian wicca provides at least one viewing audience with a welcome popular television antidote to notion of lesbian sexuality as inherently dangerous.



"It's like, it's like freeze frame. Willow kissage."
Innocence

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Re: Speaking of academic

Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:29 pm

Sigh. And then we have the next few eps...well, let's just hope we can still say that the lesbianism =dangerous/B.A.D "bad" is still undermined when all this plays out. Anyway, very good article.

Tracy

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Re: Speaking of academic

Postby girlwiththebraids » Tue Apr 23, 2002 10:19 pm

there's a quote from another show (which i won't admit what it is for fear of the mocking) that kind of makes me think of willow to some extent..."you love academia because of the rules, but you can't handle relationships because they don't have any..." somehow i feel like this quote plays into some of willow's self-image questions...academia is a place where she can acheive success easily because there is one way to do it...with oz, and then tara, success is less clearly defined...and how much of her breakup with tara this season was tied into the fact that willow had failed at something (making the relationship work) and didn't know how to deal with that...and magic also, has rules, but willow's way of trying to succeed in magic is by making herself above the rules, and then realizing, through tara and the incident with dawn, that the rules are there for a reason...



am i making any sense...?



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Re: willow character study

Postby Sarabie317 » Wed Apr 24, 2002 12:14 am

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See the thing is that wasn't what I was saying. I was just giving that as reason but my point was not about sexuality at all!! My point was that Willow's problem isn't about "power" it's about a need to feel she isn't different, that she does belong and that she is needed and loved. Whatever the cause Willow has low self-confidence. She doesn't think she's good enough if she's just herself. So she has unconsciously went about being the perfect Willow for everybody in her life. She as come to a point that she thinks she can fix things and everything will be perfect. If everything is perfect then nobody (especially herself) will see that she is still just plain Willow.

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My take on Willow's constitution is very different. It's fun to compare notes - I think each of us, as individuals, relate to different aspects of Willow's background and character as it might apply to our own lives, experiences, and observations.



Warning: Philosophies of a middle-aged geek to follow.



First, some statements on the whole power thing. There are different degrees of power, different ways to interpret the underlying power corrupts message. Power isn't just something held by the CEO of Coca-Cola or the President General Motors. Another word for power is influence, and it is not necessarily a bad thing. You can influence someone who loves and/or respects you, in many ways. Peer pressure is a form of influence, as is friendly advice. If someone whose taste you respect tells you that blue looks good on you, you might be inclined to wear more blue clothing. They have influenced your clothing choices to a degree. The most powerful people on this planet are mothers, imho. You've probably heard the adage, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world." Our mothers can get us to do things with a glance that we wouldn't do for anyone else at gunpoint.



When someone loves/respects you, you have power/influence with them. If you become too secure in that relationship, you can start to take it for granted. "Geek infested roots? You trying to turn me on?" "You mean I have to try now?"



Anyway - the desire to be loved, appreciated, respected, needed, whatever, is the desire to be important. To make a difference. To matter to someone. To have some power/influence in this world. Wanting love and acceptance is wanting power and influence. If you can't have any affect on someone, what good is their affection? (affect is the root word of affection). You want to be loved because you want to have an affect.



I'll restate something from a former post: Pretty much everything we do is to satisfy some emotional need - including using our influence with our loved ones, sometimes more than we ought to.



I don't get the low self-confidence read from Willow. Maybe in high school, but not anymore. She knows she doesn't fit in with certain crowds, but I don't see her trying to. She is not trying to be something she isn't. She never has. She doesn't feel sorry for herself. She is not meek or cowardly. She spends time with people who appreciate her many wonderful qualities and abilities. She's smart enough not to waste much time worrying about the rest. Why would anyone want to spend time with incompatible people? It is not much fun to spend time with people with whom you have nothing in common. More fun to read a good book.



She's also smart enough to realize that her prospects for a very successful future are much greater than, say, any of the cheerleaders or jocks who jeered at her in high school.



Yes, she has some insecurities. She doesn't like hearing herself called a nerd. These statements are true of every other human I know, regardless of their level of self-confidence.



Willow has such a phenomenally interesting personality, such unique ways of expressing herself, she presents herself fully, honestly, and confidently. If she's rejected, she'll deal. She knows a lot of the things she says - and the way she says them - are different. She knows a lot of people she meets won't understand her. But she doesn't repress any of her charming quirkiness. She doesn't hide much. She's totally Willow.



I know that when I had no self-confidence, if I had lost someone like Tara - I would have given up. Figured I didn't deserve her. Figured I couldn't win, anyway. Poor me. Not Willow. Willow summons all her strength to overcome her problems and sets out to win Tara back. I think you have to have a fair amount of confidence to do that.



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Re: willow character study

Postby tommo » Wed Apr 24, 2002 12:42 am

I think the interesting thing about Willow is that, in the tale Joss is spinning of his take on humanity (and uber humanity), Willow represents the Everyman character. I think she probably speaks to us all in some way because her personality has so many facets and flaws that we've all felt at one time or another.



The issue of power was covered by Bob in an essay, discussing Willow's need for it and her use of it. Not sure where it is now, if it was transferred or not, but I'm sure he'll repost it if necessary.



See, the core Willow that we all know and love still exists. And what's happened with Tara has probably bumped her back down to having some semblance of awareness. I think in the last two and a half seasons, we've seen Willow become so much more confident and flout the constraints that bound her into society's rules. This of course, has culminated in her losing the one thing that perhaps, she always wanted most of all. Love. Because Willow's capacity to love is enormous and all she wanted was to find someone who would accept and return that love. And she did. The success of course, of Amber and Aly's portrayals of Willow and Tara have only enhanced this tenfold.



And Willow's Everyman character reminds us so painfully of what it's like to love and lose. Of what it's like to get to a place where you think you're okay and on top of your game, only to find that it's not the place you perhaps thought it was anyway. Because life never is.



I heard the other day that Willow is the second most popular character in the show. Somehow that doesn't surprise me at all.


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Re: What happens now?

Postby MarineWicca » Wed Apr 24, 2002 12:18 pm

I hate to say it, but I agree with you, we have NOT seen the end of suicidal Willow. She'll just try it in a more subtle fashion. The thing about suicidal people in general is that, if they tell people they're going to do it, that's usually a cry for help and they really don't want to die. It's when that person just disappears from the radar scope one day and is later found with a jacketed hollow point through the brain that you realize how serious they were.

Sidebar: I don't know that Willow would use a firearm to do it, given what happened to Tara, but one other little fact about using a gun to off yourself is that the wound isn't ALWAYS fatal. I have visions of a now brain-damaged Willow that I really don't like having. OK,that was dark, I admit it, but I think it had to be said.

One would hope that the Scoobs would have the good sense to put her on suicide watch when this is all over, at least until she makes it through withdrawl. I know if it was me I wouldn't let her be alone for one second, even to the point of sending soeone to the bathroom with her. All sorts of things in a bathroom you can do damage with.

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Re: What happens now?

Postby WebWarlock » Wed Apr 24, 2002 12:31 pm

Ruth it is looking like I am stalking you around the board today. Honest, I am not. Well maybe a little. ;)



Anyway, I have the Willow's Power essay by Bob up on my site. You can all get to it here, www.xtreme-gaming.com/the..._power.php



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Willow's Pain

Postby MarineWicca » Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:04 pm

I hit on this quote in my Quotable Star Trek Book:

"You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They're the things that we carry with us--the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves."

Captain James Kirk to Commander (Doctor) Leonard McCoy in"The Final Frontier"

Could be that there's a lesson in there for our favorite red-haired Wicca, don't you think?



Tara: Willow can't you see? Playing with my memory!

Once More, With Feeling

(Easily one of the more painful scenes in that episode)

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby AutumnT » Wed Apr 24, 2002 6:13 pm

I don't think Willow needs lessons from Star Trek. But maybe that's just me.

Autumn

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Buffy: I could wrestle naked in grease for a living and still be cleaner than after a shift at the Doublemeat.

Willow: Plus, I'd visit you at work every single day. --- "Normal Again" shooting script

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby Rally » Wed Apr 24, 2002 7:20 pm

I don't need lessons from Star Trek either. I am pretty sure neither does Autumn.



Xander on the other hand...

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby tommo » Wed Apr 24, 2002 10:30 pm

But you see, that's what so hard to pinpoint about Willow's qualities. There are people in other shows who are similar, but IMHO, nobody has quite given us the fully fleshed out, rounded character that Alyson Hannigan has. Which is why comparisons always, always fall short.


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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby MarineWicca » Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:27 am

One of these fine days, I'm going to post something somebody actually LIKES. Oh, Hell, who am I trying to kid, to quote Dolly Parton in "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas"

(I think I've got this right, but, knowing me, probably not)

"That's OK, Ed Earl, I started out disliked and worked my way up to outcast."

Quotable Star Trek in the trash can as we speak.

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby urnofosiris » Thu Apr 25, 2002 8:14 am

MarineWicca, the quote in itself can be applied to Willow I guess and to anyone else for that matter, but I would *not* say Willow needs to learn a lesson. Willow has learned her lessons, she has paid the price, ten times over and then some. Willow deserves a shot at a happy troublefree life with the woman she loves. Nothing else. I am tired of the grow up talk and message morality lessons.



Willow has overcome her problems, once again on her own, she gets her lover back and then that lover gets murdered. What is the lesson here exactly? Not ranting at you btw, just at this utterly senseless tale of woe.

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby WebWarlock » Thu Apr 25, 2002 11:50 am

I like Trek. I still think that it's best episodes are some of the most well written things to appear on TV.



But Willow is something different. She is truely unique.

That is not something you can say for many characters on TV now.



I have spent a lot of time thinking about what makes Willow tick. She is smart, she understates her actractiveness, she loves, she feels guilt, she wants to help and she is angry.



Willow is by far the most complex character in Buffy and quite possiblly all of genre TV. That is her appeal. She does not invite comparisons because she is her own. Contrasts, yes.



That is why I hate what ME is doing to her. Anyone who has watched the show should be able to see that "destroying the world" is so out character for her. Killing Warren, ok I will grant them that. If someone killed my soul mate then they would need a strong case of killin' themselves. The other nerds. A stretch, but I'll grant that too out of grief. But not the world.



BTW MarrineWicca, that Trek quote DID remind me of what D'Hoffryn said to Willow in Something Blue.



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