Here's the place to discuss this week's Buffy episode.
by Zelda » Tue Nov 28, 2000 11:59 am
by Warduke » Tue Nov 28, 2000 12:22 pm
One thing wrong with this ep...not enough Spike
And I would of liked more W/T scenes but that's ok, just seeing Tara being such a scoobie is great, she's really part of the gang now
by Zelda » Tue Nov 28, 2000 12:24 pm
by BBOvenGuy » Tue Nov 28, 2000 12:29 pm
by Zelda » Tue Nov 28, 2000 12:29 pm
I can't believe we're already nine full episodes into the season for BUFFY. It seems to race by every year, and this year more than ever before. Between this and the newly reenergized X-FILES, I'm having a great time with the season so far. Bring it on, Herc!!
BUFFY 5.9 FAQ
WHAT’S IT CALLED?
“Listening to Fear.”
WHO’S RESPONSIBLE?
Teleplay is credited to Rebecca Rand Kirshner, a “Freaks and Geeks” vet whose last “Buffy” contribution was “Out of My Mind,” the episode in which Riley lost his Initiative superpowers.
WHAT’S IT ABOUT?
As Joyce’s condition deteriorates to a point where she experiences severe bouts of dementia, a meteor-riding “queller demon” falls from the sky – summoned to rid Sunnydale of demented people like Joyce.
THE BIG NEWS?
Near episode’s end, we learn definitively whether or not Ben the Intern is evil, and whether or not he has any connection to Glory.
WHAT’S A QUELLER DEMON?
Easily one of the creepiest things ever to slither into Sunnydale. Half-human-dwarf, half-beetle-larva, it lurks unnoticed upon ceilings and vomits vile mucus into the faces of its prospective victims. Even Spike gets the willies.
IS RILEY FINN A VAMPIRE?
Rules of the Buffyverse dictate that getting your blood sucked by a vampire is not enough to make you a vampire; you must also suck the vampire. This episode offers no evidence that Riley sucked. There is a fairly disturbing pre-title shot in this – the final November sweeps “Buffy” - that suggests Riley continues to indulge an interest in vampires that is not purely academic.
DO WE LEARN MORE ABOUT DAWN?
Turns out Joyce and the “curds and whey” guy are not the only mental defectives who have suspicions about Buffy’s new sib. Remember the security guard Glory tormented four episodes ago? Here’s what his drooly shell has to say as he brushes up against Dawn in the hospital: “Careful. The facts say a picnic is in order. What is that thing?” he asks, turning for a better look at Dawn. “There – there is no data! There are no pictures on this one there! What is the data? There’s no one in there!”
IS GLORY HENCHMAN DREG BACK THIS WEEK?
He is.
IS SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR ONE FUNNY BABE?
She is. Check out her reading of the line “Homework?” when Willow brings her some.
HOW DOES IT END?
As all scoobs look on, Joyce is wheeled into brain surgery.
SO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK TO LEARN JOYCE’S FATE??
Longer. A repeat of the season-launching “Buffy vs. Dracula” airs next Tuesday.
LINE MOST LIKELY TO STIR TALKBACK DISCUSSION?
“Just like I’ve done my whole damn life!”
HERC’S RATING FOR “BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER” 5.9?
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by Rane » Tue Nov 28, 2000 2:34 pm
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ok, instead of posting again i'm adding on. her hair is up so i cant tell but it looks dark still. but what i really wanted to say was i just saw the first segment of Buffy and my mouth dropped after seeing the blanket scene. it's eerily similar to a scene i wrote for my WTWTA fic where Willow and Tara are sitting on a blanket and doing other stuff. but the ending of that scene in my fic is basically everything that willow said in this ep. i have a little bit more dialogue but i cant friggin believe it. this is the second time this has happened. teehee! i can be a buffy writer! just kidding.
I want willow's sweater!
ok, i'm off to finish watching the show.
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by was recovering lurker » Tue Nov 28, 2000 8:21 pm
by fell » Tue Nov 28, 2000 8:37 pm
does anyone else see riley's serving himself up at the all-u-can-eat vampire buffet as seriously kinky? i like the way everybody is kind of falling apart at the same time, just waiting for spike to do something completely twisted.
is joyce a goner? the final scene was so cliched it made me wonder if joss is yanking our collective chain.
by hollowchick » Tue Nov 28, 2000 9:24 pm
i don't think willow necessarily avoided tara's question about the hospital as much as answered it with "i don't want to talk about it, i just want to be here with you and forget all the bad stuff" silence. tara, thankfully, picked up on it quick and went into comforting silly mode with the big pineapple stuff. this scene just reinforces for me how perfect they are together...such a romantic boob i am...ahhhhhhh.
riley was just creepy this whole ep.
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by calliope » Tue Nov 28, 2000 9:32 pm
by Prairiegirl » Tue Nov 28, 2000 9:57 pm
Also, does anyone have the date of the next new Buffy?
by TyRex316 » Tue Nov 28, 2000 9:59 pm
by newmoon07 » Tue Nov 28, 2000 11:08 pm
by Wiccagrrl » Tue Nov 28, 2000 11:16 pm
Riley's really, really losing it. Can't decide if I feel sorry for him or if I wanna kick his butt for being so self-absorbed and wallowing in self-pity while Buffy's going through so much with her mom.
by xita » Tue Nov 28, 2000 11:41 pm
OH YES! Was that Tara in pants?? I believe that it was! I love it. God granted me a wish.
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by fell » Wed Nov 29, 2000 12:06 am
I remember reading an interview once with the woman who did wardrobe back in season 1 & 2 and her talking about want to give the girls a "fresh, young look." I almost choked to death on my granola, remembering all those outfits with Buffy's sleeves longer than her arms. They really had that "Mom buys all my clothes at Sears" look down.
I know i'm a sick puppy but now i can't wait to see Buffy & Spike kickin' it.
by Stella by Starlight » Wed Nov 29, 2000 12:13 am
First - Willow at the hospital bringing gifts for the Summers women. Given her history with Buffy, she should have been there a LONG time ago.
Second - Tara completely integrated into the Scoobies (really started last ep when she provided some insight into Glory being older than written history). She's out at the meteor scene and contributing freely and easily. Our girl seems to have settled into the gang quite nicely.
Third - I KNEW Ben was somehow related to Glory. It was too obvious and other folks have probably already commented more eloquently on this.
Yuck Moment - What is up with Riley? That scene with the vamp feeding on his arm just totally creeped me out. What a duffus!
The romantic in me was wanting Spike to show up earlier when Buffy was crying while washing dishes (I cry when I was dishes, too.) Buffy needed a hug in a BIG way. My reaction surprised me because, until that moment, I haven't been a big fan of the B/S shipper. Hmmm....
Finally, whoever put those bell bottoms on Willow should be killed - slowly and painfully.
Stella
by Wiccagrrl » Wed Nov 29, 2000 12:29 am
The scene where Buffy's mom is behind the wall, and Buffy mentions that her friends are in danger. She laughs in a very inappropriate way and says she's sorry and that a mouse is playing with her knees (a rather strange, off-the-cuff comment). It might be a stretch, but it reminded me in tone and awkwardness of some of Joyce's tumor-induced outbursts in tonight's ep.
by fell » Wed Nov 29, 2000 2:09 am
What i want to know is just how long has stalker boy been lurking in the cellar?
One other thought- this show just keeps breaking new ground in depicting a romantic, affectionate, same-sex relationship as an everyday, no big deal, no-one-even-notices kind of thing. I'm psyched. Joss rocks!
by Beautiful Tara's Girl » Wed Nov 29, 2000 6:10 am
quote:
Originally posted by Wiccagrrl:
Oh, possible foreshadowing from Restless-The scene where Buffy's mom is behind the wall, and Buffy mentions that her friends are in danger. She laughs in a very inappropriate way and says she's sorry and that a mouse is playing with her knees (a rather strange, off-the-cuff comment). It might be a stretch, but it reminded me in tone and awkwardness of some of Joyce's tumor-induced outbursts in tonight's ep.
Not only that, but I believe Buffy has the power to save her mom. "Well, you could always break through the wall."
quote:
From Ain't It Cool News Review: "This episode offers no evidence that Riley sucked."
Yeah...riiiiiiight.
by april » Wed Nov 29, 2000 7:51 am
some belated random thoughts from my brain:
i loved loved *loved* the way tara's voice sounded in the rooftop scene. sort of soft and husky. so sexy!
i also loved it when tara showed willow the Big Pineapple, and willow says all wide-eyed "it's so big!", and tara gets this 'you're so cute!' smile on her face and says "hence the name." so much adorableness.
know what else i loved about the rooftop scene? it was so *long*. unlike other cute w/t scenes, that only last like 30 seconds, this one kept going and going. the writers seem committed to devoting some serious screentime to our two favorite wiccans, and it's great!
xita, i hope you're with me in firmly believing that some serious smoochies were occurring before we caught up with w & t on the roof... i think there's probably a good reason that they had to start wearing turtlenecks, too... *g*
a beer hat? for someone's mom? willow, you're adorable, but what were you thinking?
wardrobe: the turtlenecks were good, but i actually wasn't such a big fan of the shirt that willow wore to the hospital. from mid-chest up, it was fine. but below that, it looked like a bad lampshade, tassels included. maybe she and i just have vastly different taste in clothing, i dunno. i like her taste in girlfriends, though!
tara must need to do laundry. she had to resort to wearing something that she hasn't worn since last season - pants!
and yes, i also thought it looked like w & t were holding hands at the end when joyce was being wheeled into surgery.
moving on from w & t for a second, i found myself surprisingly moved by buffy quietly crying while doing the dishes and listening to that godawful music. SMG did a great job with that scene. i hope that she starts letting the scoobies be there for her more while she's going through all of this. maybe joyce's cancer is what finally brings the scoobies together again.
all in all, an entertaining ep with yummy w/t moments. they did look like they were all set to stay out there on that roof all night, didn't they? too bad the meteor interrupted their plans...
by Banshee » Wed Nov 29, 2000 8:04 am
Hmmm..
Back to work.
by xita » Wed Nov 29, 2000 8:15 am
Seriously, I thought that the scene was one of the best with dialogue that shows the nature of their relationship. The way they need each other. In Family, Willow showed she could be there to make Tara feel special when she was down. Last night, we got to see Tara being the comforting one and subtly picking up when her girlfriend needed her to be a goof.
Buffy- The show works best when Buffy suffers. Nothing makes me feel like loving this show more than wanting things to be better for Buffy. Seriously, I like to cheer for the slayer, it's her show after all.
And I don't think they were holding hands at the end . I believe Willow's bell bottoms forced them to be five feet apart
by newmoon07 » Wed Nov 29, 2000 8:30 am
Thanks so much either way! I hate my VCR!!
by newmoon07 » Wed Nov 29, 2000 8:55 am
http://www.deaddogparty.com/alyson/listening/ltf066.jpg
Can we say...ADORABLE??
by BBOvenGuy » Wed Nov 29, 2000 9:24 am
quote:
As with any top-flight episode, while the big stuff was happening, all sorts of wonderful little details were added. Among these were:- The lovely and beautifully romantic scene with Willow and Tara. For me, this was the very first moment that I believed in this relationship. I stand by my argument that it never would have happened had Seth Green not left the show. For the first time, though, this couple does not feel like an agenda (which always irritates, even when I support the agenda), but rather like two living, breathing individuals who love each other.
Now, wwolfe is a very intelligent individual and has never been a W/T-basher, but he has also maintained that the W/T relationship was never portrayed in a credible fashion. The rooftop scene finally appears to have won him over. Woo-hoo!
by Warduke » Wed Nov 29, 2000 9:38 am
by yenESQ » Wed Nov 29, 2000 9:40 am
Buffy was incredibly rude to Riley. I don't want him to die, persay, but I want Buffy to realize that he is messed up and resolve this Riley issue because Buffy is my favorite character and the way she's treating him {2] isn't very nice.
Ben as the evil partner of Glory was surprising to me, but not in a *cool* way. He's almost as stone-faced as Christian Kane (Lindsay) but maybe Charlie Weber will have less excrutiatingly bad dialogue to work with than CK has had {3]. Still, I'm not looking forward to the rest of season with him as part of the big picture.
But overall, I did like the episode. The shot of Tara slinking into her chair in the library scene needs to be played on slow-mo for the most striking effect. Man, she's hot.
[1] including Buffy, but Dawn conveniently forgot that fact as Buffy was soothing (and lying) to her
[2] not intentionally being mean, I don't think
[3] add to it that he can't act and its all BAD
Yen
by xita » Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:05 am
And I had a few thoughts. Of course the reference to Dawn being just a shadow again and most imporantly the thing about the woods. Giles says of course we could go into the woods to find more about this thing. They all agree not to go, except for Riley. Important only because the name of the next ep is "Into The Woods." Bad things there my friends.
What was Ben doing? And was Joyce part of the clean up effort or just an innocent crazy person caught in it all.
Dawn - Very sad somebody needs to tell her.
I liked this ep a lot. I saw a lot of Willow and Tara really being a scooby for the first time ever. I mean really being integrated, not sticking out or anything. Enough for now.
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by calliope » Wed Nov 29, 2000 10:28 am
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