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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby april » Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:23 pm

posted 03-02-2001 15:23 EST (US)
okay, we wore out the original discussion thread for "the body", which you can find here. so here's part two, because i know we all still have a lot to say...

originally posted by BBOvenGuy:

quote:
Okay, April, this is all your fault!

bob, i resent that! i REFUSE to take the blame for *any* of the travesty that was ER last night. i absolutely refuse. because trust me, if *i* were in charge of ER, you would have seen a *very* different episode. the words "hello, gay now!" would have been featured very prominently. as well as a scene where romano is forced to get down on his knees and beg kim for forgiveness for being such an a**hole.

ahem. but this is the "the body" discussion thread, right? i'm about to go rewatch it right now...i'm sure i'll have tons more to say when i get back...

april
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:32 pm

posted 03-02-2001 15:32 EST (US)
Actually, I was referring to the fact that I was watching ER, not the content of the show itself. Egads, why would I want to blame you for that?

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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby april » Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:37 pm

posted 03-02-2001 15:37 EST (US)
well, that's a little better, i suppose...

but really, how is it my fault that you watched a show, when all i did was say how horrible it was, hmm? if i say "never eat chopped liver, it's disgusting!" and then you immediately go out and eat chopped liver and find it disgusting, is it my fault that you ate it?

lol...

april
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby Rane » Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:50 pm

posted 03-02-2001 15:50 EST (US)
i know this is off topic and all but what happened last night. a brief synopsis would be good. or the link to the zelda board would be good too...
Rane
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 2:01 pm

posted 03-02-2001 16:01 EST (US)
Actually, since TV critics across the country are comparing W/T to K/K in articles this week, it could be considered on-topic. Especially since things on ER went in a completely opposite direction from W/T last night.

Dr. L (that's Kim, right?) was being accused of sexual harrassment by this semi-crazed(?) woman from a couple of episodes ago (I think). Dr. Weaver (Kerry, yeah?) was all flustered and concerned about their secret romance being revealed. I wasn't exactly following 100%, but I think Kerry ended up denying everything in front of everybody and it got Kim understandably ticked off.

The point I noticed most was when the detective interviewed Dr. Weaver (sorry to keep switching names back and forth but I must stress that I don't ordinarily watch this show!) and asked "What's your relationship?" and immediately in my head I heard "We're in love... we're lovers... we're lesbian gay-type lovers!" But alas, that was not what I heard on my TV.

Now, I realize that Willow can be naturally loud about who she is. Look no farther than this week's "big honkin' Menorah" and you'll see what I mean. And Willow did go through her confused/struggling period where she hid Tara from everyone. But even so, I still find W/T to be much more charming abd much more loving a couple.

Oh, one other thing about ER was that I did like the fact that they know what Child Life Specialists are. My sister is one.

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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby xita » Fri Mar 02, 2001 5:28 pm

posted 03-02-2001 19:28 EST (US)
I just wanted to remind people, that any buffy discussion is welcome at the board. So if you have joyce thoughts and stuff please share them.
xita
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby Hugin » Fri Mar 02, 2001 5:53 pm

posted 03-02-2001 19:53 EST (US)
Now, I hated last night's ER, but in the storyline's defense, Kerry has more to stress about that Willow did. And timeline-wise, they're still solidly in the "I like you a lot but I don't want anyone to know" period that W/T had. And ER has as much built-in horrible relationship angst as Buffy does. Rumor has it that things will work themseves out. Kim and Kerry will have thier happy days.

-len

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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 6:13 pm

posted 03-02-2001 20:13 EST (US)
I don't know if I would agree with the claim that Kerry has more to stress about than Willow. Stress is relative. Some people aren't particularly concerned with something as important as a career, while others can have a major crisis over what shirt to wear. It all depends on the person.

However, it is true that Willow and Tara haven't really had to deal with any societal homophobia yet. One of these days they'll have to - and I'm sure they will as soon as Joss comes up with an appropriately metaphorical monster for the job.

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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby judy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 8:33 pm

posted 03-02-2001 22:33 EST (US)
OK, I love W/T. And I think Joss has developed the storyline with great respect,care, and thought. While I am uncomfortable with re-igniting BUFFY vs ER, W/T kicks K/K's ass hostility!!!!! or a huge discussion about ER on this board (and in this thread), I feel compelled to defend ER... a bit.

First off, I am suspending final judgement until we see how the K/K storyline fleshes out. But there were things I liked very much about last night's episode:
1) Kerry's disability and her struggle to gain acceptance were highlighted very poignantly. And I could understand where she was coming from (it was very much in keeping with her character) and how it would contribute to her inability to "come out" and be more supportive of Kim (doesn't mean I wasn't cringing and fuming inside).
2) When you're questioning your sexuality and/or coming out dealing with your internalized homophobia is a huge part of it. I've known relationships that have failed because someone couldn't overcome their internalized homophobia -- and we saw very painfully and harshly the damaging effects of it on Kim/Kerry's relationship. There haven't been many (if any) storylines dealing directly with that on TV.
3) The effects of homophobia on your professional life are vast and very real. Dr.Legaspi's situation is horribly common.

I would have liked to have seen Dr. Legaspi counter ROmano's homophobia and his labelling her decision to come out to the young woman as foolish and inappropriate. For example, I would have loved to have seen Legaspi ask Romano if he was going to order shrinks not to wear their wedding bands because that's personal. There is disagreement within social work/psychiatry about disclosing any personal information to clients, including your sexual orientation to a questioning or gay client. In my past life as a counselor I have encountered such situations. Fortunately I had supervisors who recognized how coming out to a client can be professional, clinically appropriate, and helpful. So, for these personal life experience reasons, I liked seeing this explored.

I know a lot of people are outraged by Kerry's behavior in the episode. And I felt irritated with her, but I also thought it was utterly believable. Her deeply anguished conflict really moved me and rang true. It's so easy when you've been out for awhile to judge or scorn someone in the closet (I've done it). Sometimes I forget how being out is a position of privilege -- many people would lose their jobs, get beaten up in their neighborhoods, face sexual harrassment at work, etc. by being out and proud. (Being "out" is also very much a Western construct but I digress).

Of course I wanted Kerry to make a declaration and for Romano to get his ass kicked. But grappling with your sexuality is messy and scary -- especially for a woman who has fought ostracization for her disability.

There's also a lot of joy involved with falling in love and being queer (and ER has shown some moments of pleasure re: the relationship) but I rather like that the writers are delving into the messiness. I'm interested to see where the writers go with this before I make up my mind as to how I feel about this storyline.

So, did I love last night's ER? No. But I didn't hate it. It touched on interesting and worthwhile things. What I did despise was the way they portrayed Kim's lesbian friends in a previous episode.

OK, my apologies for writing so much about ER. I'll be quiet now.

judy
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby Anyalvr » Fri Mar 02, 2001 8:51 pm

posted 03-02-2001 22:51 EST (US)
I know this is so totally OT, but does anyone remember Maggie Doyle, the openly gay character back in season 3? She was very prominent during season 3, but they decided
to not make her a regular and instead introduced Maria Bello's character (and since
Maria Bello is IMO a much lesser actress
and only stayed with the show for a year, boo for them, I say).

I'd have liked it a lot better if she hadn't filled the idiotic lesbian stereotype of being a smoker, from a family full of boys,
and a girl who used target practice as a way to blow off steam. But still she was a great character - no nonsense, very outspoken, confident, didn't care what anyone else thought, very adament in standing up for what she believed in. She was quite a firecracker and I liked her

There was a storyline about a failed sexual-harassment suit in season 5 (Elizabeth Corday was the other plantiff, but she pulled out due to fear of what might happen if she went agaisnt Romano). I don't think we've heard from her since.

Jorja Fox, the actress, is currently on CSI.

I only bring this up because I wouldn't feel comfortable going over to the other board
(since I don't watch ER anymore and even when I did I could have cared less about Kerry Weaver - most people don't remember it, but she was first introduced as a villain/antagonist that everyone hated, and I guess it stuck with me). But I still love Jorja and think Maggie Doyle was a great character


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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby rocketdyke » Fri Mar 02, 2001 8:59 pm

posted 03-02-2001 22:59 EST (US)
although i want to see warm fuzzies on er (partly because ive always had a little crush on dr. weaver... and dr. legaspi is pretty cute..) i mostly agree with judy. just as some people on the board have mentioned in another thread that its important to them that the w/t relationship isnt advertised to draw attention, but is just a part of the whole show... i think the things dr weaver is dealing with, as a woman who is at a stage in her life where she probably thought she had figured out what she was about, already, are very real, and a part of what people actually struggle with as they learn about new facets of their sexuality. coming out during high school or college... alot of the angst can be combined in with the general angst of being young and learning who you are... so to go through that angst all over again, at a point in life where its not "supposed" to happen, must be tremendously difficult... and id prefer the attempt at showing the complex messiness of life than just have every show with a gay story line have to be happy to make up for the fact that we've all gone through difficult things. actually, i think the er people are pretty brave with showing all the confusion and struggle that buffy didnt really show with willow, even though on some level, we all guess it probably happened... because in a way, theyre not making anyone happy with this storyline... straight folks who dont want to see gayness on tv are probably irritated... gay folks who want to see positive representations of their lives are probably irritated... yet i think its a pretty true depiction of how many people experience their first bumbling attempts at believing its ok to love someone of the same gender... feeling like it *must* be ok, but not really believing it, not believing anyone else would believe it... i think its obvious that dr weaver is sincere in her feelings... the way she begged kim to talk to her at the end of the episode when she was getting in the elevator... it broke my heart. because she knows what she feels... but those feelings dont prevent all the difficulties of homophobia (her own and society's) from being a very real threat to her...

and just to clarify on bbovenguy's synopsis, last week there was a tremendously horrible train wreck... and at the end of last week, we learn it was caused by a girl who had parked her car on the tracks, trying to kill herself because she thinks shes gay. of course, her injuries are the least serious of anyone's... so thats why kerry calls dr legaspi down to talk with her. and when she comes out to this girl, the girl kind of freaks and then accuses her of sexually harrassing her to move the heat off herself.

i just do hope it turns out well in the end.

rocketdyke

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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby xita » Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:02 pm

posted 03-02-2001 23:02 EST (US)
CSI, jorja fox, and forensics, I should be watching this show yet I am not. Hmm..

I am still watching The Body, I find my grief about Joyce has lessened adn I can just enjoy the kiss. And it was quite a kiss. And I am able to see it as a total shipper's episode. How does this rank for people.

1. The Body
2. Family
3. NMR
4. WAY
5. Hush

I think ok

xita
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:07 pm

posted 03-02-2001 23:07 EST (US)
Thanks for clearing that up, rocketdyke.

Of course there's no such thing as single "gay storyline," just as there's no such thing as a single "straight storyline." Willow and Kerry are different characters. Tara and Kim are different characters. They live in different places and are at different points in their lives. And the characters who come after them will be different as well. There's nothing wrong with that - I rather like it, actually.

Personally, my #1 problem with the story on ER is that it's on ER. My personal tastes, nothing more. I do hope there are some people who enjoy the story and who get something out of it. I'd like to think that Kim and Kerry are capable of inspiring, encouraging and educating people in the same way that Willow and Tara have been.

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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby april » Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:09 pm

posted 03-02-2001 23:09 EST (US)
i dunno, xita, "hush" was such a great ep overall...but so were those others. i'm conflicted. i mean, WAY had the flaming o spell *and* faith! we've had some great w/t eps, no doubt about it.

i finally got to rewatch the body today. the acting just blows me away. really, this is some of the finest work done on the show by any of these actors.

i must say though, my favorite scene after the kiss is the one with tara and buffy. it's just a perfect scene. tara's character is written perfectly, and both of their reactions are just so dead on.

really, this is practically a flawless ep. i must watch it again!

april
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby judy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:24 pm

posted 03-02-2001 23:24 EST (US)
OK, in violation of board rules I am now going to start a brand new post to talk about "The Body" (rather than combining it with my ER ramble above).

I'm late entering the conversation (life got in the way) so I don't have anything new to add. But I feel like babbling anyway.

I thought "The Body" was the most raw hour of TV I have ever seen. Of course it was manipulative -- aren't all stories? And really, how many NEW ideas are there about death or life? I don't think that's the point. The point (for me anyway) is how an idea (even an OLD idea )is executed and if there's emotional resonance. "The Body" was deeply disturbing and affecting; in my mind that's good television... critics be damned.

I liked that the very physical aspect of death was highlighted. I felt ill when we abruptly cut from Buffy and Joyce slicing the Cajun pie to the harsh close up of Joyce's face, dead. The sickening cracking sound when Buffy broke her mother's rib while trying to perform CPR was also terribly powerful and jolting. I loved how almost all of the 4 "acts" began and ended with either Joyce's corpse or the sketch of the "negative space" body (one exception -- there may have been more -- was when they ended the act that took place at Willow's dorm with the shot of Xander getting a ticket for double parking).

I thought SMG was brilliant. The moment when she told Giles that they weren't supposed to move "the body" and her horror at realizing that she now viewed her mother's body as "the body" (as opposed to her reaction when the 911 operator said "the body is cold?") was so wrenching and well-acted.

I was also totally taken with Buffy's expression when she told Giles she was "waiting" (for the coroner). Something about her tone and facial expression moved me. She seemed simultaneously childlike, vulnerable, and aged.

I loved the absence of a musical score, esp. the use of the wind chimes.

I really enjoyed seeing a glimpse of Dawn in school. And I thought the "negative space" comments in her art class spoke to the structure of this episode about death -- now there's this body, literally framing most of the acts, and here is the enormous space of loss and grief and tender intimacy around it. Negative space could also refer to the awkward, poignant silences between and with people facing death (esp. when you strip away the artifice of a musical score). This was especially evident in that wonderful scene between Buffy and Tara in the waiting room as well as the shots of Xander and Anya in the car, Tara at the window of Willow's dorm room, and WIllow holding a piece of clothing. (BTW the shot of Xander and Anya in the car made me think of the scene of them driving in "Restless" and Willow's anxiety over her clothing seemed to echo her dream where Buffy kept telling her to take her costume off and Will insisting she needed it).

The kisses (I insist on plural because there was more than one!) were beautiful and so organic to the moment and to the episode. I think earlier in the previous thread there was some debate about whether one could call them "romantic" and that they seemed more about "comfort." And I agreed with April's definition of romance. While our definitions of these terms are highly subjective, I thought the kisses were romantic and comforting and passionate. I also loved that after the kisses they were still physically intimate and touching (Tara caressing Willow) and I loved the "strong like an amazon" dialogue. It was such a raw and intimate moment that was not hurried. Joss, Amber, and Aly get it done (400 takes and all!)

I could go on and on forever. But one last thing: I thought the ending to the episode was perfect... Dawn reaching out for the body (not her mother, she's "not there") but we don't get to see her make contact.

I have a question (and am not sure if this was discussed alread). Is it routine for the "rating" of a show to flash in the corner of your TV screen midway through the episode? Because I got TV-14 LSV on the upper left hand corner of my screen at the beginning of the "act" where Willow and Tara eventually kiss. I thought maybe that's why it was there. Unless it's routine to show such a rating in the middle of the episode and I just never noticed before.

EDITED TO ADD:

Many people have deservedly heaped praises on Anya's monologue but I have to add mine to the chorus. I think some of the most compelling emotions dwell in the quotidian -- the seemingly insignificant details that comprise our daily lives. When you tackle a subject as huge as Death, it's even more poignant and wrenching to use "small" so-called "trivial" details to speak to the enormity of loss. And Anya's monologue about Joyce not ever drinking fruit punch, eating eggs, brushing her hair, yawning again perfectly captured that. Emma delivered that moment wonderfully.

[This message has been edited by judy (edited March 02, 2001).]

judy
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby xita » Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:26 pm

posted 03-02-2001 23:26 EST (US)
I will make a confession. I was afraid the kiss wouldn't be good. I was so afraid. I had waited for it so long, I just feared it wouldn't be bad. But that was the most believable affection Tara has ever shown. I am happy.
xita
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby judy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:40 pm

posted 03-02-2001 23:40 EST (US)
*grumble*

I hate when it turns out your post is the last one on a page.

I was worried about the same thing xita -- especially after the build-up. But we got a wonderful kiss... in fact, we got wonderful kissES.

judy
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:40 pm

posted 03-02-2001 23:40 EST (US)
Yes, Judy... it's standard practice to show the ratings and warning symbols at both the top and bottom of every hour.
BBOvenGuy
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby judy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:43 pm

posted 03-02-2001 23:43 EST (US)
Thanks Bob. I'm all paranoid -- seeing WB anti-lesbian conspiracies where none exist.
judy
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby xita » Sat Mar 03, 2001 12:09 am

posted 03-03-2001 02:09 EST (US)
quote:
Originally posted by judy:

The kisses (I insist on plural because there was more than one!) were beautiful and so organic to the moment and to the episode. I think earlier in the previous thread there was some debate about whether one could call them "romantic" and that they seemed more about "comfort." And I agreed with April's definition of romance. While our definitions of these terms are highly subjective, I thought the kisses were romantic and comforting and passionate. I also loved that after the kisses they were still physically intimate and touching (Tara caressing Willow) and I loved the "strong like an amazon" dialogue. It was such a raw and intimate moment that was not hurried. Joss, Amber, and Aly get it done (400 takes and all!)

Ok, I shall call it the kisses as well. Hmm.. wow I loved the way you put this because I saw all that in the kisses as well. And yes it was a very raw and intimate moment. It's very hard to imagine this scene, in fact of the 23049499999 ways I imagine the kiss happening, this scenario probably didn't come to my mind. It was very much about them and their relationship. And the touching at the end of the kisses just sealed it for me. And the touching before the kiss as well. You have Amber's hands all over Willow and touching her hair and her ears and her cheeks and when it's all done, the kisses, she is still touching her.

xita
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby SeanGaffney » Sat Mar 03, 2001 1:30 am

posted 03-03-2001 03:30 EST (US)
About the kiss, I just liked the fact that it didn't feel like a first kiss. It was to the audience, but to Willow and Tara, this is just a loving way to calm Willow down, using a mouth that knows ALL about calming Willow down. It was an experienced kiss. ^_^

--SG

SeanGaffney
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby Cici » Sat Mar 03, 2001 2:16 am

posted 03-03-2001 04:16 EST (US)
quote:
Originally posted by SeanGaffney:
[B]About the kiss, I just liked the fact that it didn't feel like a first kiss. It was to the audience, but to Willow and Tara, this is just a loving way to calm Willow down, using a mouth that knows ALL about calming Willow down. It was an experienced kiss. ^_^

Yes, i think so too! And the kiss was to fast!!!
It was for us the first kiss, but not for Willow and Tara....so looked that!


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WILLOW: We're friends.
TARA: Good friends.
WILLOW: Girlfriends, actually.
TARA: Yes, we're girlfriends.
WILLOW: We're in love. We're ... lovers.We're lesbian, gay-type lovers.

[This message has been edited by Cici (edited March 03, 2001).]

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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby Dave V » Sat Mar 03, 2001 3:21 am

posted 03-03-2001 05:21 EST (US)
The actors' performances were all so "on target." I especially was impressed by Sarah Michelle Gellar, Alyson Hannigan and Amber Benson - the first two for expressing such raw pain and confusion, and the latter for how she evidenced her character's support, both as a lover and a friend.

Everyone's comments are so insightful -it's amazing what I missed watching this episode the first time through (for e.g. Willow's mouthed "I love you" to Tara). I am pretty much the sole unapologetic Will/Tara 'shipper in my circle of family and friends, so it's great to read all the Kittens' postings.

Final thought. The characters' first onscreen kiss was such a tender, caring moment - you almost felt like you were intruding watching them.

Dave V
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby Hugin » Sat Mar 03, 2001 4:26 am

posted 03-03-2001 06:26 EST (US)
Xita, I was deathly afraid the kiss wouldn't be good. Oh, awful awful fear, thinking "What if they shot one months ago, and it wasn't good...argh...what do I say if people don't buy the feeling behind the kiss when it finally happens. (and I couldn't even argue homophobia necessarily, not after all the folks who didn't buy B/R passion either)

Ah. So nice ot have fears laid to rest so thoroughly. Even W/T detracors (well, all but the most unrecoverably hateful or delusional) have had to admit that the kiss was wonderful, and most importantly, not "first kiss" seeming.

In fact, given Amber's comments about kissing Aly about 400 times, I wonder if all that repetition was in part to sort of "break the kiss in", make the one we finally saw a little more old and..casual isn't the right word, but you know what I'm getting at. Lots of repetition to make the kiss we finally see seem like a very familiar thing between them.

-len

Hugin
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby xita » Sat Mar 03, 2001 7:36 am

posted 03-03-2001 09:36 EST (US)
That's a good point Len. I think I was reading about The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love, and the girl who played Evie (Nicole? something) was talking about that first kiss. She was talking about how she thought the character was feeling because that was the character's first kiss with a girl and how she might be nervous at first and stuff. And how she could easily get to that place because of her own experience.

In order for the w/t kiss not too look nervous and first kissy like, 400 prior kisses were necessary, yeah that's the reason

xita
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby darvangi » Sat Mar 03, 2001 7:45 am

posted 03-03-2001 09:45 EST (US)
I'm glad that they did take the time to break in their lips for the kiss so that it would seem like a 'familiar' thing for them to do (great way to describe it, Len). Otherwise it could have been very awkward and unconvincing like the kiss between Natasha Lyonne and Clea Duvall in But I'm a Cheerleader - which was a good movie and I like both those actors, but the kiss looked like it was done at gunpoint.

I'm glad to know there hasn't been too much criticism of the believability of the kiss. I think the anti-W/T faction is truly turning into a very small, radical minority, finally.

darvangi
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby wiccie » Sat Mar 03, 2001 9:13 am

posted 03-03-2001 11:13 EST (US)
So where are the "dailies" of these 400 kisses?*G*

I have cash money for a copy of that film;~)

wiccie
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby Cici » Sat Mar 03, 2001 11:05 am

posted 03-03-2001 13:05 EST (US)
400 Kisses????? The W/T Scene from "The Body" right? .... i don´t understand yet.

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Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby april » Sat Mar 03, 2001 11:14 am

posted 03-03-2001 13:14 EST (US)
cici, amber visited the bronze on tuesday night, and posted that in shooting/rehearsing the kiss scene, she "must have kissed aly like 400 times!"

(as opposed to the 23049499999 times that xita has imagined...lol...)

anyway, there are many of us who would pay small fortunes to get our hands on the outtakes from that scene...

sean, that phrase "using a mouth that knows ALL about calming willow down". my god. how perfectly stated. damn.

april
 


Thread Subject: Discussion Thread 2 - S5E16: "The Body"

Postby Roxton » Sat Mar 03, 2001 3:17 pm

posted 03-03-2001 17:17 EST (US)
Why do I have the feeling that the outtakes from that scene are safely in Joss's possesion.
Roxton
 

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