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My new essay: "Willow's Problem: It's Not About The Power"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:07 pm

Some of you may remember that a couple of years ago, I wrote an essay on "How to write Willow." (It's still up at Extra Flamey if you'd like to go back and read it. )

Well, I've written something new - an analysis of Willow's magic addiction problem. It's for someone I know over at the Cross & Stake, who is a friend of mine but nevertheless always seems to miss the point of Willow's story arcs. (I try not to hold that against him. ) He hates the magic addiction arc, and I'm convinced it's because he doesn't understand it. Here is my response. See if you like it.

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Willow’s Problem: It’s Not About The Power


Much has been said this season about the “magic addiction” story arc Willow has been going through. Much of what has been said has been negative, with comments generally accusing the arc of being unrealistic, badly written, out of character, and so on. Many people believe that the “magic addiction” is a plot device that was introduced as a last-minute substitute for another, more interesting story that was being set up but was mysteriously abandoned.

Unless Joss Whedon decides to write a tell-all behind-the-scenes book someday, we will never know if this other story ever really existed, or if it was really more interesting than the story we’ve seen. It’s easy to imagine that such a hypothetical story would be more interesting, of course, because we don’t have it in front of us to answer the question one way or another. It is grass that will always be greener because we can never get to the other side of the fence.

Personally, I would like to challenge the notion that such a hypothetical abandoned story ever existed. I believe that the magic addiction story we’re being told now is the one Joss Whedon always planned to tell, and in fact it’s the story he’s been setting up for quite some time.

Let’s look at the facts:


1) The physical effects of Willow’s magic

Most complaints I’ve seen point toward “Wrecked” as the episode where the magic addiction story “suddenly” replaced the hypothetical other story. All of a sudden, the complaints say, Willow’s problem ceases to be about her temptation by the power of magic and starts being a thinly-disguised “After School Special” on the subject of drug abuse.

I’ll admit that “Wrecked” lays on the physical affectations rather heavily, but it’s not the first time Buffy has claimed that magic has physical side-effects. As early as Season 2, Willow said she felt something go through her when she re-cursed Angel, and she would sometimes feel weak or faint after casting a spell. When she started doing more powerful spells, she would get nosebleeds or headaches.

Nor was “Wrecked” the first time Buffy suggested that magic could have a euphoric effect. As early as “The Dark Age,” Giles claimed that summoning Eyghon produced “an extraordinary high.” In “Goodbye, Iowa,” Willow and Tara talk glowingly about the spells they had done the night before. Tara confessed that she had been thinking about one of them “all day.” The physical effects of the spell the girls did to contact the nether realms in “Who Are You” are self-evident.

(Yes, I realize that Buffy was at this point using magic as a way to get around the WB’s limitations on the way the lesbian relationship between Willow and Tara could be portrayed. However, one interpretation of that period in the relationship - the one I adhere to and wrote about in my fanfic series Reflections In Transit - holds that the spells were in fact spells, and not just sex in disguise. In this interpretation, it was the physical effects of those spells which provided a sense of intimacy where the Willow/Tara relationship could grow until Willow was willing to admit to herself that she was gay.)

So when we see magic having a physical effect on Willow in “Wrecked,” it could be said that what’s shown is a bit over-the-top - but it’s not something we haven’t seen before.


2) Why would Willow go to someone like Rack?

Another complaint about “Wrecked” is that it’s out of character for Willow - who had always used magic to accomplish something in the past - to go to a “magic crack house” and do spells with Rack just to get high. Why would Willow do something like that?

Fortunately, we have Willow herself to explain it for us. At the end of “Wrecked” she says, “It just, it took me away from myself. I felt so... free.” A few lines back in that same scene, she asks, “If you could be plain old Willow, or Super Willow? Who would you want to be?” The implication here is that both her visits to Rack and her exploits as “Super Willow” have the same effect - They take Willow away from herself. That’s an important thing to remember as we consider:


3) The psychological factors that drive Willow

Willow’s dream in "Restless" sums up her greatest fear and her biggest motivator. She’s terrified that underneath it all, she’s still the same little nerd-girl whose mother dresses her in clothes from the softer side of Sears. Her efforts to escape her nerd-self started before she ever began practicing magic. Oz was important to her not simply because they loved each other, but also because Oz was a musician, and associating with a musician made Willow feel “cool.” In “Doomed” after Percy called her a nerd, Willow’s response was, “I haven’t been a nerd for a very long time. Hello, dating a musician!” which was immediately followed by a crestfallen “Or... I was...”

Magic made Willow feel special. It made her feel like more than just the little nerd-girl. It made her feel confident enough for her to tell Buffy “I’m not your sidekick!” in “Fear, Itself.” It made Willow feel like Super Willow. Again going back to the end of “Wrecked,” we find that Willow doesn’t even believe Tara would love her “plain old Willow” self.

The other factor that drives Willow is her craving for affection and approval. What we’ve seen of her parents makes it pretty clear that they ignore her most of the time. The one time we saw Willow’s mother, she couldn’t remember the name of Willow’s best friend and hadn’t realized that Willow had changed her hairstyle several months earlier. The lack of attention helped create the little nerd-girl in the first place, as young Willow tried to be perfect so she could gain her parents’ love.


4) Power-hungry, or affection-starved?

Many of the complaints I’ve seen about how Buffy supposedly abandoned the original story of Willow’s magic addiction claim that this hypothetical story dealt with Willow being seduced by the power of the dark magic she was channeling. Willow is power-hungry, so this theory goes, and the dark powers were offering the power she wanted.

There’s only one problem with this theory, and that’s the fact that Willow isn’t power-hungry. She has never been about power. When Buffy called her the strongest member of the group in “The Gift,” Willow shied away from the claim. Yes, she does have a history of taking charge in the midst of crisis (as in “Halloween,” “The Dark Age,” and “The Weight of the World”), but she has never tried to keep control after the crisis has passed. Willow’s craving is for affection and attention, not for power.

Consider Willow’s actions during the summer after “The Gift.” Willow was unanimously made “the boss of the group.” Xander even made her a little sign that said “Boss Of Us.” What did she do? Did she try to use her spells to make herself a bigger and better monster-fighter than Buffy ever was? Did she ever perfect the Ball Of Sunshine spell? Did she try to convince anyone that they didn’t need to worry about Buffy because she was more powerful? No. Instead, she concentrated her energies on trying to bring Buffy back. Buffy, who had seen the real Willow beneath the softer-side-of-Sears clothing. Buffy, who had given her affection and attention when no one else did. That’s what Willow wanted back.

Consider Willow’s argument with Giles in “Flooded.” Much is made of this scene, because many consider Willow’s boasting and threatening at the end of it to be a sign of how power-hungry she is. But what does Willow really want out of the conversation? Again, she tells us herself. “I thought you’d be impressed or something,” she tells Giles, and then later says, “I brought Buffy back into this world, and maybe the word you should be looking for is congratulations.” She was expecting affection from Giles, a father-figure, and instead she got a reprimand. That’s what touched off her anger, not a lust to be more powerful.

Lastly, consider the two forgetting spells. They both happened in situations where Willow’s actions had caused love to be withdrawn from her. In the case of the first spell, it was the argument she was having with Tara. In the case of the second spell, it was the first spell (in Tara’s case) and the fact that Buffy was upset over being pulled from heaven. Willow wasn’t trying to control Tara. She wasn’t trying to control Buffy. If she was, she would probably have cast a spell similar to Warren’s Cerebral Dampener. Instead, she was trying to remove the memories that were blocking the love she craved. It’s still inexcusable, but it’s a very different act from what we would expect of someone who was power-hungry.


5) Where will it end?

Supposedly, this hypothetical story that is said to have been abandoned in “Wrecked” was to end with Willow becoming the Big Bad, or at least turning into “Dark Willow” as her lust for power tempted her into the shadows. The only problem with that ending is that it’s out of touch with who Willow is and who Willow has always been. Evil needs an agenda, whether it’s to suck the world into Hell or open the dimensions in order to go home or avoid the responsibility of the adult world. Willow’s agenda has always been to seek approval and affection. Big Bads don’t get either of those things.

Magic power is a poor substitute for the love of people like Buffy and Tara. That’s what we saw in “Wrecked.” What did she do with all the power she possessed? She took Tara’s clothes, animated them and then curled up in the lap of her creation. It was quite literally a hollow substitute for the person whose love she really wanted. What did she do later, when she couldn’t handle Dawn’s talk of how Tara was getting on with her life? She sought out Rack, who could take her away from herself and the emptiness she felt. But embracing the magical power in that way only leads to destruction, as we soon saw.

The logical outcome for this storyline is for Willow to discover that she doesn’t need magic to be special or lovable. That’s the path she has been on since “Wrecked.” It’s not going to be easy. There will be temptations from fellow addicts like Amy, or from people acting as co-dependent enablers, like Xander and Anya. In the end, though, I believe Willow will triumph and once again find the love she wants. Joss Whedon is a brilliant writer, but he still follows the rules of classical narrative. Now that he’s taken Willow down to the depths, he must bring her back to the heights again. Now that she has asked “Can I be loved without magic?” he must show her that she can.

(Plus there’s the rather mundane but still significant fact that Alyson Hannigan is now the second-biggest “name” in the cast, and Joss Whedon is not about to do something stupid like turn her character evil and then get rid of her.)

This is the path Willow is on. It’s the path she has always been on. Willow has grown and evolved dramatically over the years, but she hasn’t changed. She is still Willow. She will continue to be Willow, on this path and the paths to come.

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Postby Queen of Denial » Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:39 pm

oh my! very well said.

when i grow up, i wanna be just like you bob!


ches

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Postby GridMonkey » Sat Feb 16, 2002 11:56 pm

very thoughtful and articulate. Guess that's why you're the writer. Thanks for this.
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Postby Anakin1218 » Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:07 am

once again Bob Im in awe of your writing intresting points

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Postby BBOvenGuy » Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:07 am

Ummm... has anybody been over to the WillTara list at Yahoo!Groups lately? Yowza!

I posted my essay over there and was immediately smacked down by someone basically saying that liking the Willow story arc was the same thing as liking Jar-Jar Binks in the first Star Wars movie. Made me wonder if I'd posted to the right group.

I suppose there are those over there who have that "alternative" definition of fandom... you know, the one where a fan is definied as someone who expresses deep contempt and loathing for something they've pledged their undying loyalty to.

Let's here it for our faithful Kitten Moderators, who still understand that fandom means you actually like what you're a fan of. Once again I gain a new appreciation for what a refuge this place is.

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Postby AutumnT » Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:17 am

Bob,

Well thought out and well said. I'm amazed that some can't see that it is Willow's self esteem issues that have been driving this the whole time instead of some lust for power.

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Postby CPS Boy » Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:19 am

BB: excellent essay, (though there are several assumptions and exclusion of conflicting info there... methinks) I really enjoyed your writing willow essay.... thinking of doing an psychoanalyzing Willow essay myself..... put those years of school to work *smile* In the end, you assume that Willow has hit bottom, (which hopefully she has) but remember, there is always more bottom, (esspecially on this show). Just remeber Buffy's comment to Dawn after she remarked that things couldn't get any worse, (and of course, they did,) "You relize this is all your fault!"

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Postby Kalita » Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:23 am

Very well put as always, Bob. I remain in awe of your narrative gifts.

Y'know, I might have been over at willtara and seen those comments, but I go there so rarely now (usually, just to check on fics that aren't on Pens). I think this is part of why - there's much less of a coherent, supportive community there, and lots of so-called 'fans' that would prefer to run the show their own way, and don't care about the actual creators' vision.

I'm glad the Kitten's here.

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Postby cachaco » Sun Feb 17, 2002 1:49 am

Bob, thoughtful and well-written piece as usual, thanks for that. I quite liked your "How to write Willow" piece as well.

Given the perspective you've laid out in those two essays, I have a question for you. Let's revisit the scene in "Flooded" that you mention, the one in which Willow argues with Giles about the resurrection spell. While I agree with your overall premise that what drives Willow is need for affection and not will-to-power, I was very struck by how drastically and rapidly Willow's tone of voice and overall demeanor change when she says to Giles (paraphrasing) that she is powerful and that caution may be in order. (I'm purposely trying to underplay the menacingness of her assertion in my paraphrase). She then immediately reverts to a much sunnier demeanor and makes no mention of what she's just said/implied. Another great bit of acting by Alyson Hannigan, the moment really startled me in its starkness and brevity.

Assuming that we agree that what drives Willow is not a will-to-power, what do you make of this moment in particular within that scene? It was played very straight as I recall, no ominous music or anything. But I found it very striking, and haven't yet totally figured out what I think of it.

One thing it does bring up for me as I think on it now is that I may have a slight quibble with your interpretation of the scene. I think Willow is actually looking for recognition rather than affection from Giles. Look at the moments you cite:

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“I thought you’d be impressed or something,” she tells Giles, and then later says, “I brought Buffy back into this world, and maybe the word you should be looking for is congratulations.”

She doesn't say something like, "I thought you'd be proud," or "maybe the word you should be looking for is thank you," which would be more along the lines of looking for affection. She wants Giles to be impressed, to congratulate her. What I think she asks for from Giles in this scene is respect.

So while Willow is not hungry for power in and of itself (a quintessentially vamp trait in the Buffyverse), I think, at least in this scene, she's out for something a little different than affection. She wants to be recognized and respected as someone to be taken seriously. This fits in with the trend you document well of her having been largely ignored for much of her life by all those around her. Unfortunately, she may still think (as of this scene, anyway) that it is only her magickal power that will command such respect.

What do you make of this interpretation? Might such a suggestion alter other aspects of your overall analysis?

Thanks for taking the time to respond, for writing this thoughtful essay in the first place, and for all you do to make the Kitten Board a safe and fun place for all of us.

Warmly,
Chris

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Postby Ari » Sun Feb 17, 2002 2:08 am

The first time I saw Wrecked, for some reason it never really occurred to me that she was really done with the magic - just like Buffy clearly wasn't finished with Spike. But I waited a few months and watched again just before the latest group of eps started airing and found I completely changed my mind.

I realized that the whole nightmare situation with Dawn was Willow's wake up call and that she really had probably gone as 'bad' as she was ever really going to. And also that it was distinguished from what Buffy was going through when Willow told Buffy that she really didn't understand what it felt like to have hurt Dawn so badly.

[tangent]I might argue that Dead Things was a similar kind of wake up call for Buffy, with her breaking down with Tara at the end a parallel of sorts for Willow breaking down with Buffy. But it remains to be seen if that idea is going to hold true. Certainly I felt like Buffy's whole attitude toward Spike had changed in OAFA and we never once saw that look of hopeless temptation from her like she always had before. I'd also say there was a parallel between the scenes upstairs at the Bronze as in a sense both of them really tumbling and clearly on their way to the real scenes of bottoming out, which for Buffy might well have been the moment that she choose to beat the tar out of Spike in the alley.[/tangent]

Anyway, I think one of the problems that people had with the whole magic storyline was the red herringness of it. The fact that it seemed so much, up to Wrecked, like Willow was heading down a slippery slope of badness that would lead to that Dark Willow so many people really seemed to be clammoring for.

I would tend to say that at her worst, Willow was never really capable of the type of darkness most people were looking for from her. The really bad things she did were never done with the intention of harming anyone, even if that was the result. Willow's problem, aside from her self confidence issues and need for affection and attention (which I completely agree with) is also that she has a rather loose sense of morality when it comes to ends justifying means.

I think it's sort of an all science/no spirituality, ultra-pragmatic way of looking at the world. Everything is about what can or can't be done, rather than what should or shouldn't be done. All How and no Why.

One of the problems with the addiction story as it has played out, though, is that they've sort of sold out the whole idea of Why Willow shouldn't be doing magic in the way she was doing it. Instead, it becomes that she simply can't do it at all for fear of hurting people and losing control.

Now, I think the point behind this is that Willow as a character might never find a balance within herself between the scientific and the spiritual. And the thing that ultimately forced her to give up magic was simply a flaw in her character, coupled with her other self identity issues. With the turning point being Willow's acceptance of that flaw rather than trying to overcome it.

On one hand, that might be a sell out of sorts, to not explore those issues within the character and simply say that's just the way she is. On the other, there's the possiblity that Willow's relationship with Tara will eventually serve as a metaphor for finding a balance between science and spirituality in her life.

In that way, finding a way to reconcile with Tara would both serve as a sign of Willow's redemption, assuming that Tara won't be willing to forgive her until she truly deserves to be forgiven. And also that the process of reestabling their relationship would help Willow gain a greater sense of respect and trust in Tara's perspective, which embodies a more spiritual sensibility to contrast to Willow's scientific point of view.

I think the overall weakness of Wrecked, which was too interested in playing the drug metaphor that it didn't do a really good job of showing how what happened was the climax of the flaw in the way Willow had been using and perceiving magic all along. Oddly enough, it seems like the one voice who might have helped to make that clearer would have been Tara's. And of course, she was pretty much unavailable for comment.

That's one of the things that made the whole hollow image of Tara so poignant. At that moment, the morning after Willow had truly begun to lose control completely, Tara was the one who might have been able to help her and really to have understood what it was that was happening to her. The absence of Tara in Willow's life at that particular moment is both the symbol of what was wrong with her use of magic and the consequences of it.

In Tabula Rasa, Willow essentially chose magic over Tara and that scene is the ultimate result of that choice, with the magic literally providing her with nothing more than a hollow substitute for what she really wanted and needed. It's a wonderful use of symbolism that kind of got lost in the mix, along with the whole idea that the Demon that nearly killed Dawn was something that Willow herself had inadvertently summoned.

Anyway, what I'm hoping is that the process of reconciling Willow and Tara will eventually flesh out the parts of this story that have been lacking.


Ari


cachaco,

I think the scene with Giles is both, as Bob said, showing Willow lashing out at Giles as a father figure for not acknowledging what she felt like her accomplishment, and also using Giles to illustrate how little understanding/respect Willow had for the powers she was messing with.

He tried to tell her that she had nothing more than an illusion of control over the powers she was channeling. It was her hubris that was making her believe that she did. And she was unwilling to accept that and even angry at the suggestion that she was not in control. It's the same reason why she didn't understand what Tara was trying to tell her about magic use. That using magic has to have a purpose, because the powers themselves are too dangerous to use for frivilous reasons. She couldn't acknowledge that the magic was something she ultimately had no real control over, so she couldn't understand why it shouldn't be used for party decorations.

And then in Wrecked, with the way she accidentally summoned the demon, it was a sort of tangible illustration of her ultimate lack of control. It was literally a monster of her own inadvertent creation, which is why she was the one who had to destroy it. And in doing so, with what could well have been her last real use of magic, she was destoying the beast her magic had created (and in a sense, the beast it had become).


Ari

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Postby xita » Sun Feb 17, 2002 2:30 am

Ok, first Willow doesn't need redemption.

Second, Willow's problem is her insecurity and I don't think any of the writers are forgetting this and people need to let Willow's story progress. She became addicted to the magic, the magic isn't evil. But for Willow it is now something she cannot be trusted with. First stop the behavior then deal with what's behind it. And I have faith the show will, but fans won't like it cause it isn't a power trip. Insecurity, see restless.
As far as not using magic ever again, it happens. And I do believe that they will stick with that because her abuse of magic is not only psychological but also physical. The permancy of it may suck for some but that's life. Somethings are forever. Remember DMP, Xander (marriage is forever) Buffy (her job, forever) and willow (no magic forever). And that's the lesson of growing up, Willow had to do that, give up magic and give it up for good.

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Postby Ari » Sun Feb 17, 2002 2:39 am

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Originally posted by xita:
Ok, first Willow doesn't need redemption.

I love Willow. But I couldn't possible disagree more. She violated Tara's mind, and then even after Tara told her this was how she felt about it, did it again.

This to me, no matter what her problems are, is something really, really, really bad. It's not as simple as just using or not using magic anymore. She made the conscious choice to betray Tara when she knew how Tara felt about what she was doing.

And when they have taken her to a point where she has earned Tara's forgiveness and trust once again, which is something that should in no way come easily for her, then she will have been symbolically redeemed for what she did.

Edited for one last thought...

There are really two sides to the Willow and magic storyline. The first is what they showed in Wrecked, how she was ultimately out of control and why she had to stop. But I think the other side, and ultimately the most important one, is all about Tara and the forgetting spells. That's how I think they are going to deal with the moral issues of what Willow did and what it all says about her and how she has to grow from it.

I think that's the real goal of this whole storyline and I'm not sure we've even really started seeing it played out yet. That'll all come in the process of them trying to get back together and probably well into the relationship once they do.


Ari

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Postby xita » Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:13 am

Redemption : (Christianity) the act of delivering from sin or saving from evil.

Does Willow need this? no. Forgiveness if she is truly sorry? yes. It's all about the terminology, what she did was really bad but the motivations were not evil and do not require redemption. I had an objection to the use of the word, not in anyway implying Willow did nothing wrong.

If Tara forgives Willow, would that be good enough? Cause I am thinking I trust Tara enough to know if Willow is worthy of her love, she's the one who had the balls to walk away in the first place.

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Postby ArtemisEcstasy » Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:24 am

Bob, thank you for that essay. I still have trouble with the addiction arc, but you did make me rethink some aspects of the story.

I totally agree that the issue isn't about power, that it was more about insecurity. I would love to see more of Willow exploring that insecurity and what exactly it was that drove her to start misusing magick like that. OK, so she's stopped using magick cold turkey, now (like anyone giving up a compulsion) it's time to work on the underlying issues of why she felt she needed that escape.

I also agree with the poster that said that Willow is somewhat amoral. It's not that she ever intends anything bad, but since she was sixteen she's been learning that magick can be used to solve otherwise difficult problems, and sometimes she was asked to use magick for questionable situations, ie. restoring Angel's soul. In a good vs. evil framework, the solution would be to kill Angelus since as long as Angel is alive there is the risk of Angelus returning. I think this kind of moral ambiguity affected her to the extent that she felt that since she had the power she might as well use it to solve situations that were making her uncomfortable, not thinking through on the outcome.

There's one last point that has been brought up elsewhere that I think is important. Magick can be a very good, very helpful tool. It's not like cocaine or heroin which really serves no redeeming purpose. There are addictions (such as mine to food) that you can't give up the addictive substance or activity completely, you have to find a way to moderate it and not misuse it. I think if they treated magick like that, "is this a situation where magick is advisable or am I just looking for an easy way out?", it would redeem the story arc somewhat for me.

I never wanted Willow to be the Big Bad, I love her way too much. I just think that this storyline, rather than dealing with the fascinating moral and philosophical issues underlying what she did and the reasons she did them, they went the Twelve Step "Spellcasters Anonymous" route, and I feel cheated. They still have a chance to change my mind though, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Postby Still Waters Run Deep » Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:35 am

I'm still only at OMWF, so my full appreciation of the Willow arc is not fully up to speed, but:

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Originally posted by Ari:

she has a rather loose sense of morality when it comes to ends justifying means.

I think it's sort of an all science/no spirituality, ultra-pragmatic way of looking at the world. Everything is about what can or can't be done, rather than what should or shouldn't be done. All How and no Why.


I would endorse what Ari has said.
I've always thought, from S3 onwards that Willow was going to get her fingers seriously burnt by majic.

She has been a child with a new toy, or playing with fire, wanting to use her new gifts, to master them, without properly understanding them, either on the ethical, moral or indeed the practical level. Its all flash, no substance.
Think about it all you who went to college, or trained up on the job. You spent your first year just putting things in orderso that you truly knew the what/why and how something was done like that, be it constucting a reasoned essay or a piece of furniture...and you had teachers/mentors/enablers to guide you to 'the truth'. All Willow had was her own abilities, not even a 'Majic for Dummies' book to set her on her way. Yeah, I know she had Giles' reference library to call on, but they were books aimed at those who had mastery of all aspects of the art, and not some tyro. She is much like the sorcerers apprentice in this respect. The real surprise is that the kick up the arse she has had has not come from a spell gone horribly wrong [yet] but from misuse, affecting those she loves most of all, and just because she cant see the deeper issues.

Tara was steeped in majic from an early age, 'forever' as she said, and knew what using majic meant. She was even unhappy at Willow decorating the house for A/X party.
Giles learnt the hard way, knowing that there are always consequences, hell even Spike, as unprincipled as he can be, was firmly in the dont meddle camp.

In D/land [S3] Willow told Anya not to mess with majic, coz its dangerous..it scared her then, but she persisted with learning more, as research girl she really could trawl in the info, but as the saying goes 'Knowledge without understanding is of little use' [OK I made it up, but you get the drift]

Anyway I'm going to shut up now, but just for Bob and his majic/sex arguement, I would refer back to Restless and Willows dream sequence where Xander and Oz are standing there, Willow walks off and Xander looks after her and says 'sometimes I think of two girls doing a spell together, and then I do a spell on my own' [or something like that] If thats not an allusion to sex, I dont know what is. [and it was in Willows dream, not Xanders]

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Postby Lijdrec » Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:43 am

Bob, are you sure you're not a psychologist?

Your argument explains quite well the motivations behind each of Willow's 'reactionary' magic spells. The arguments for Willow as 'bad' seem to come from most fan's emotional reaction to the effects of the spells.

This Saturday night our parish priest's sermon was on the addictions/temptations that we all experience; and I immediately thought of the Willow story line (yeah, BtVS is just one of my addictions). One point of his was that the minute you get COCKY about beating your addiction, is the point when you will re-abuse your substance/behavior of choice. A person has to come to live with a certain humility concerning his problems. So if Willow is to relapse, perhaps the signs that we should look for is that a complacent contentedness towards her accomplishment of not using magick.

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Postby ellenfan » Sun Feb 17, 2002 5:53 am

Great essay, Bob, it was fun to read, along with all the other comments in this thread. And I couldn´t agree with you more.

Personally, I never thought that Willow would become this season´s Big Bad. As you say, there has to be a motivation for that, and I just never saw Willow like that. She is not power-hungry at all, she just wants to be loved, and she has a lot of problems with her self-esteem. She takes on responsibility if she has to, but she´s also always glad to return it. In "The Gift", she shrank back from the assumption that she was the most powerful person of the group, because she did not want to bear that responsibility. She gladly gave up her status as the boss of the group after Buffy´s return. Plus, it was never said that she wanted to be the boss in the first place. The others made her boss, and she accepted it because she had to. She might not want to be just a sidekick anymore, but that doesn´t mean she wants to be boss.

What drove Willow most of the time was her need for approval, and her low self-esteem that she just wanted to get away from, which became very clear in the last scene in "Wrecked". It´s too bad that some people still don´t see that.

And I agree with Ari that Willow has another problem:

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Willow's problem, aside from her self confidence issues and need for affection and attention (which I completely agree with) is also that she has a rather loose sense of morality when it comes to ends justifying means.
I think it's sort of an all science/no spirituality, ultra-pragmatic way of looking at the world. Everything is about what can or can't be done, rather than what should or shouldn't be done. All How and no Why.

This reminds me of when Buffy asks the gang if they could help her mother with magic in "Shadow". Willow doesn´t doubt if she should do, but if she can do it, until Tara and Giles both point out that it could be dangerous. And we had a similar scene in "Forever".

What the power Willow felt did to her, though, was that it made her arrogant and disrespectful towards others, especially Tara and Giles. She wanted Giles´ approval, and yes, also his respect, and when she didn´t get it, she threatened him. Same thing with Tara in "All The Way". And as much as I agree about the motivation for the forgetting spells, I´d like to add that in my opinion, it was not only her need for approval, or her fear that love would be withdrawn from her, but also her arrogance and disrespect that made her cast the spells. She knew that Tara wouldn´t like it, but she didn´t care. And why should she, if she could easily make her forget again?

Also, how dare somebody tell her that she´s wrong if she´s so powerful? She could not stand their criticism, maybe because she felt that they were right, but she didn´t want to see it. Which takes us back to her self-esteem issues. There she was, Super-Willow, and people still criticized her. How could they? In "All The Way", she even assumed that Giles and Tara were talking behind her back, like people did about nerd-Willow back in high school, or in "Doomed", and it made her freak out.

I don´t think that there ever was another storyline that was abandoned. I think the storyline we have now was the one Joss & Co. intended to do all along, considering all the foreshadowing we had in "Restles". And even if not, if they had planned a different storyline, they decided not to do it, and probably had a good reason for that. If people can´t accept that, that´s too bad, but their problem. Unfortunately, they are always trying to make it our problem as well.

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Postby Puff » Sun Feb 17, 2002 10:09 am

quote:
Originally posted by xita:
[b]Forgiveness if she is truly sorry? yes. It's all about the terminology, what she did was really bad but the motivations were not evil and do not require redemption. I had an objection to the use of the word, not in anyway implying Willow did nothing wrong.

If Tara forgives Willow, would that be good enough? Cause I am thinking I trust Tara enough to know if Willow is worthy of her love, she's the one who had the balls to walk away in the first place.


*applauds, stands and even tries wolf whistles for what xita said*

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Postby BBOvenGuy » Sun Feb 17, 2002 10:42 am

Wow! Is this just the greatest board on earth or what?

So much to read and so much to comment on. Where do I start?

quote:
Originally posted by cachaco:
She doesn't say something like, "I thought you'd be proud," or "maybe the word you should be looking for is thank you," which would be more along the lines of looking for affection. She wants Giles to be impressed, to congratulate her. What I think she asks for from Giles in this scene is respect.

Well, when you've grown up with the label "genius" attached to you, as Willow has, the two are pretty much the same thing. Willow was raised to believe academic accomplishment was the key to receiving affection. If Giles congratulated her and respected her, Willow would take that as affection.

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Originally posted by xita:
Willow's problem is her insecurity and I don't think any of the writers are forgetting this and people need to let Willow's story progress. She became addicted to the magic, the magic isn't evil. But for Willow it is now something she cannot be trusted with. First stop the behavior then deal with what's behind it. And I have faith the show will, but fans won't like it cause it isn't a power trip.

Over at the Cross & Stake (where the guy I wrote this for didn't buy it ), I remarked that I wish I could create an alternate universe where Joss did do the power-trip story - just so I could go see how many of those fans who are griping now would still be griping about how much the show sucked.

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Originally posted by ArtemisEcstasy:
I just think that this storyline, rather than dealing with the fascinating moral and philosophical issues underlying what she did and the reasons she did them, they went the Twelve Step "Spellcasters Anonymous" route, and I feel cheated.

As Xita said, you've got to stop the behavior first. Willow has the rest of her life to address the moral and philosophical issues. I think we started to see that in "Older and Far Away" when Xander and Anya started pressuring Willow to cast a spell. Are there circumstances where a return to Willow's risky behavior is warranted? It's something Willow would have to face sooner or later. There will be other issues like that.

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Originally posted by Lijdrec:
Bob, are you sure you're not a psychologist?

I was in therapy for six years. Does that count?

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Postby grifter » Sun Feb 17, 2002 10:57 am

BBOvenGuy: Very nice essay (I´ll read the follow-up posts when I have the time and mind for it).

Have you considered posting it over at the Buffy-philosophy-board at www.atpobtvs.com ?

If not, would you mind me posting it there (and praising you for it, oc)?

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Postby Pixie » Sun Feb 17, 2002 11:29 am

Bob, excellent essay. Very articulate. It made a lot of sense to me, especially the view of Willow's psyche and her motivating issues. I don't have much to say in response, but I'm enjoying reading everyone's opinions - what a thoughtful and in-depth discussion! I love psychoanalysing these people we love so much! Oh wait, they're not real people? Damn.
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Postby Under Her Spell » Sun Feb 17, 2002 11:31 am

Gah! What a lot of words! Great essay, BBOvenGuy.

Funny, I was going to write this essay myself, defending the magic addiction plotline (but not the poor way it was handled in 'Wrecked', as I think that was poorly done). Some of my argument was different, though-

Basically my argument is that magic the corrupting force - use powerful magic and it is incredibly hard, almost impossible not be corrupted. What happened to Willow is the same as what happened to Giles, Ethan Rayne and the rest of the London magic circle, as well as Anya, Amy, Amy's Mum and pretty much all users of powerful magic.

But Willow isn't weak, she's strong, much stronger than Giles, Ethan or anyone else. Willow dealt with powerful magics for a long time without being corrupted - but inevitably she eventually was.

Rack is completely corrupt - he rapidly accelerated Willow's fall. He played on Willow's weaknesses - she was his favourite because while she was very powerful, she was also vulnerable. The likes of Rayne and Amy are weak, but they aren't powerful.

As a good witch with immense power, Willow is a rare person indeed - I don't know whether it's possible for her to control that power. When Willow became corrupt, it was because she was doing things in secret, and not involving Tara - my guess is that with Tara as her anchor, she could control the power, and stop it from corrupting her.

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Postby Ari » Sun Feb 17, 2002 11:33 am

quote:
Originally posted by xita:

If Tara forgives Willow, would that be good enough? Cause I am thinking I trust Tara enough to know if Willow is worthy of her love, she's the one who had the balls to walk away in the first place.

It's possible we're arguing two different sides of the same argument. I agree completely that it is Tara's opinion and actions that will signify when Willow actually deserves forgiveness.

I don't think she's there yet, feeling bad about it doesn't fix things IMO.

About the idea of redemption, I was going more by this kind of meaning of the word -
(excerpt from Miriam-Webster def. of redeem)

"6 a : to atone for : EXPIATE b (1) : to offset the bad effect of (2) : to make worthwhile : RETRIEVE"

What it all comes down to is that I think Willow needs to redeem herself in Tara's eyes.


Ari
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Postby xita » Sun Feb 17, 2002 11:48 am

Redeem is different from redemption, just thought I'd say that. It's different to say she needs to redeem herself or she needs to seek redemption.
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Postby willow420 » Sun Feb 17, 2002 1:17 pm

Bob, I must say excellent job. I've never seen a peice of work put into words exactly what I was feeling, so well. This essay puts into words everything I've felt reading the idiotic posts, that were posted with no facts to back them up, on boards throughout the web. Thanks again. This is a great essay.

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Postby Saena » Sun Feb 17, 2002 1:58 pm

What an intelligent discussion!! This is fun to read. I think this is really clearing up a lot of plot points for me and other people as well. I too was having trouble understanding the reasons for Willow's overuse of the magic. Her "overdose" and breakdown came on kind of suddenly for me, or maybe I was just ignoring the signs that suggested trouble.

The conversation between Willow in Giles in "Flooded" was an interesting piece of the puzzle. I can understand where both are coming from. Giles was obviously concerned for Willow, and she refused to see in her anger why it was that he wasn't about to congratulate her for messing with life and death. It's understandable that she should try to block this out- everyone in the Scooby Gang looks to Giles for advice and approval. But no one likes to be shot down.

How soon do you think a reunion between Tara and Willow will be? Hopefully by the end of the season, but do you think Joss will save it for the season finale, or will he do it before? Or, dare I say, after? Any thoughts??

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Postby yaya » Sun Feb 17, 2002 2:09 pm

wow Bob....what a great essay!!.....it has been hard to hear so many people say that this story is cheating us and going on and on about it....it's nice to see someone who has analyzed the story we have really well and show us that it is a really great story arc, and one that has been in the works for a while.
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Postby Ari » Sun Feb 17, 2002 2:14 pm

quote:
Originally posted by xita:
Redeem is different from redemption, just thought I'd say that. It's different to say she needs to redeem herself or she needs to seek redemption.

Well, I can't really agree with that. Redemption has meanings other than those with strictly religious connotations. Again, I call on my friend Mr. Webster.

redemption - the act, process, or an instance of redeeming

But since we're arguing semantics here, I'll just say I think she needs to be redeemed and agree to disagree about the rest of it.

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Postby Xanadu » Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:45 pm

Wow, BBOvenGuy, your essay is awesome!!!! I think you've done a great job putting all the Willow puzzle pieces together *bows down in awe of writing ability* I hope your friend sees the wisdom of your essay!

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Postby kitten scout » Sun Feb 17, 2002 4:19 pm

Great job Bob! I think if Willow's use of magic was just about power, she wouldn't have cared if she messed with Tara's mind or how many times. I think her magic gave her a since of importance. She needs to realize how important she is to Tara and the others without magic.
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