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Postby xita » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:21 pm

This could have been posted somewhere else so feel free to delete me mods, I can't find it.
http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainme ... 202001.htm

After WB finale, `Buffy' gets ready to slay 'em at UPN
by Mark A. Perigard
Sunday, May 20, 2001

As legions of loyal ``Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' fans know, creator and head scribe Joss Whedon sure can throw a funeral.

Earlier this season he killed off Buffy's sweet mother, Joyce (Kristine Sutherland), in an agonizing episode that captured the first few hours of grieving more grippingly than any mainstream drama.

To celebrate ``Buffy's''' season finale, airing Tuesday at 8 p.m. on WLVI-TV (Ch. 56), the show's 100th episode and its last on the WB network, he is killing off another series regular.

``Someone is going to be leaving us,'' Whedon confirmed. Beyond that, ``I'm not telling you one (expletive) thing,'' he said amiably.

The finale resolves the season-long storyline pitting Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) against a hellgod (Claire Kramer) for the life of Buffy's sister Dawn (Michelle Trachtenberg), actually a mystical key to otherworldly dimensions turned into human flesh.

So who bites it? Dawn? Or is it ex-demon Anya (Emma Caulfield), who seems to be standing in the way of half a falling building, judging from last week's preview? Or someone else?

Whedon promises an hour of spectacle and emotional punch. ``It's not small. The battle is pretty much out of control and the stakes are higher.''

Despite Internet rumors, fan favorites Faith (Boston native Eliza Dushku), Oz (Seth Green) and Riley (Marc Blucas) are not returning for the finale. ``We're doing way too much to bring back old characters. It's not old home week,'' he said. Oz and Riley may never reappear in the ``Buffyverse,'' given the respective actors' film careers, he said.

Next season, ``Buffy'' will be leaping to UPN. After renewal negotiations broke down with the WB, UPN agreed to pay about $2.3 million an episode for two seasons of the slayer. Given that UPN's signature series seems to be ``WWF Smackdown,'' the decidedly girl-friendly ``Buffy'' seems a strange fit. But Whedon is pumped for the move.

``UPN says it wants to change its image, that it wants to sit at the grownup table,'' he said. ``They believe in what it brings.''

Of course, life would have been much easier if WB had axed ``Buffy'' spinoff ``Angel.'' UPN was ready to snatch that series up as well.

``It would be simpler if they were a block,'' Whedon acknowledged, ``but I still want to work with the people at the WB and I want to prove `Angel' is its own show and not just `Buffy's' weak sister.''

He's got his work cut out for him. In what has to be the unlikeliest of pairings, ``Angel'' will follow the saccharine WB family drama ``Seventh Heaven'' on Monday nights in the fall.

There may be no more crossovers between the series, but Whedon promises the continuity will remain constant. ``If Cordelia kicked it, I would want people in the Buffy universe to know about it. By the way, Cordelia is not kicking it,'' he said, then added with a laugh, ``She's becoming a man.''

``Buffy'' year six is completely mapped out, Whedon said. ``Every year has a mandate, and next year's is, `Oh, grow up.' '' The Scooby gang finally realizes they have adult responsibilities and ``they suck at it more than the grownups do.''

Whedon happily debunked another Internet rumor by stating that Buffy's mom is now and forever dead. The actress, however, is a favorite among Whedon and company. Sutherland appeared last week in a flashback sequence and will probably pop up again. ``People work often when they're dead,'' he said.

Whedon is also developing an animated ``Buffy'' that will appear perhaps as early as spring 2002 on Fox. It will focus on Buffy's first year of high school and all the familiar characters - Angel, Cordelia, Xander and Willow - will be there. The emphasis will be on ``Simpsons''-esque humor along with the horror, and Whedon is hoping all the original actors sign on to supply the voices.

He is also turning his attention to comic books, writing an eight-issue mini-series called ``Fray,'' about a vampire slayer in the far future, and co-writing the ``Angel'' series, both for Dark Horse Comics.

``So long as I get to tell my stories, I'm happy,'' he said.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:21 pm

lol...yep, i think that pretty much sums up buffy as a series: "people work often when they're dead"

okay, if they consider joyce a regular, then the fact that they're "killing off another series regular" doesn't necessarily have to mean a core scoobie. though i'm assuming that ben/glory and the buffybot don't count.

dude, this is killing me! no matter who dies, i'm going to cry...

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:21 pm

Argh argh argh... all this crytic-guy stuff from Joss is going to make me crazy.

The thing is, none of the available evidence adds up to anything that makes sense. If Joss was going to kill Anya, Dawn, Spike or Giles, then why were Emma, Michelle, James and ASH at the UPN thingy? If he was going to kill Tara, then why will Amber be doing all those appearances in England, Atlanta, etc.? That leaves Buffy, Willow and Xander - he wouldn't kill one of them, would he?

I keep thinking back to Joss's statement, where he said "I have no plans to send Tara anywhere." He followed up by saying Tara would have a place at the heart of the Scooby gang even if she wasn't dating Willow. You don't suppose that means anything, do you?

Yes, I need to go back to my own mantras. I just think I'd feel a little better if [i:b16321904f]Wanda[/i:b16321904f] wasn't the most reliabile source of information we had saying Willow and Tara would still be together next year.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:21 pm

* hears scary music playing in the background *

and with all the Darkest Magick that Willow has been fooling around with...

*high pitched scream*

Bob...you're scaring me and not in a good way. Both SMG and Aly rarely do the cons, Emma, JM, Amber and ASH are plying the meet-the-fans rounds and Nick Brendon, well, did he not just have an interview saying that Xander and Anya will be around at least till the end of the year (subj to interpretation that..)

Big Fat Headache coming on ....there's been no mention of Willow through out all these...

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:22 pm

I'm giving [i:730f975e67]myself[/i:730f975e67] a big fat headache here, too... and all while I'm supposed to be out tending minions...

The thing is, Joss has always said he didn't want the gay characters to pay for their gayness with their lives, because he considered that a cliche. I always thought that would keep both Willow and Tara safe. I'm pretty sure it still does... I hope...

The problem is that Joss is only letting little pieces of information get out, and they're mixed in with little pieces of misinformation. Put them all together and they don't make sense, but what's true and what's not?

Argh... the real Big Bad of the season has been unmasked, and its name is Joss...

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:22 pm

Oh come on, Willow's practically committed herself to Tara and vice versa. Joss isn't going to mess with that...

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:22 pm

I had this horrible thought yesterday that maybe it was Willow. It makes sense, doesn't it, that the dark magick would take it's toll? What if Buffy saves the world, all is well, the portal is closed and then Willow collapses? (and then, like Dominos, WE all collapse)

BUT, then Tara could dabble in the black arts herself (presumably 'cause she did it before) in order to bring Willow back. That would set up a nice conflict for next season and would shut everyone up about how useless she is.

Just a thought.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:22 pm

You people are scaring me, too. I hadn't heard the last part of that quote from Joss about a time when Tara is not dating Willow. What the heck does that mean?

I assumed that if Tara came back, Willow had to be there, too.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:23 pm

Here's the quote. It's from the Q&A section of the Watch With Wanda Buffy Blowout.

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[b:1a1c87e38a]From DeLisa in Columbus, Georgia: It shocked me, but I really love the Tara/Willow pairing. How long will Tara be around?[/b:1a1c87e38a]

I have no plans to send Tara anywhere. Amber [Benson] and Alyson [Hannigan] have such great chemistry; they're so great together, and they're very romantic together. We have terrible, terrible things to do to them because they're on my show, so needless to say, horrible things will happen--but as a couple, I think they work really well. As for Amber, even if she weren't going out with Willow, I think she's become a big part of the heart of the show.


I think W/T are still secure for next year, but in the final hours before the finale I'm getting jumpy about almost anything....

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:23 pm

Thanks for reposting that. It sounds good, but like you said, at this time everyone is jumpy.

The only problem with this is that you can't imagine Tara staying with the Scoobies post-Willow, unless Willow was dead. It would be too hard for them both to be Scoobies if they had simply broken up.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:23 pm

Heya.

About a character 'leaving.'

I've had a suspicion/premonition for the last few weeks.

I guess I am now willing to risk it.

I think Buffy is the character who will leave.

Wait a second, let me finish.

In the final battle, Glory and/or Buffy got lost in the dimension, leaving the show.

So how can we have a show?

The Buffy robot.

Willow said specifically "It's an easy fix" speaking of the damaged bot. Joss is fond of his Chekov. Chekov is the playwriter who said that if a gun is fired in the third act, we'd better see it on the mantel in the first.

We didn't see it destroyed. We have the casually spoken line about it repairability. While I doubt Willow could build one, she could give it a better program, make it more Buffy like and fix it.

It would keep the demons and other vamps in Sunnydale scared that the Slayer was still around. It could be used to make sure Dawn remains in town and keep Social Services off their back.

However, it would force the entire gang to grow up and work harder to cover Buffy's poor replacement. Especially Dawn.

How would we get Buffy back?

Dawn is the Key. The General remarked that hte monks hoped to use her for good. That would mean that they thought it would be possible for the Key to be used without the world ending.

Dawn, not scared, not bleeding to death, and with the self-confidence and self-disclipline, may be able to open some dimensional gates on her own for brief periods without the universe ending.

Thus recovering Buffy later in the season.

It would also have the advantage of
making it easier to SMG to have her movie career, keeping her happy. And it would make the cast more of an ensemble, something Joss stated he viewed them as, despite WB's perception.

This is completely whacked, and pure speculation.

Thoughts..

Bil

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:23 pm

Now that's an interesting one, Bil. Very interesting indeed, and quite plausible. Hey, I think I like it! It'd make an interesting contrast with "Anne" to see the Scoobies do their best to fill in for Buffy, but in a mature way, without the walkie-talkies and play-like trappings of the beginning of third season.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:24 pm

Well now, *that* worked better than a pill

For faster, better pain relieve...nothing works as well as Willow's Staying!...ahem...

Interesting scenario brought up so now its a matter of hours before that final ep. And confirmation of coffin size.hmm..

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:24 pm

quote:

By the way, Cordelia is not kicking it,'' he said, then added with a laugh, ``She's becoming a man.''

Poor Cordelia.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:24 pm

CaBil, I like your premonition alot more than mine!! It sounds really plausible too. And it would provide the cast lots of room to exercise acting chops.

I like it!

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:24 pm

CaBil,
Interesting theory. I've had a few of my own.

Theory #1
Glory gets far enough to start bleeding Dawn, in order to stop the hell on earth, you have to stop Dawn's blood so, Spike vamps her and Willow (having previously restored Angel's soul) restore's Dawn's soul. She's technically dead. I know that one's a little far-fetched.

Theory #2
In many of the fan fictions out there, Willow is portrayed as immortal. What if this were true. Something backfires concerning Willow and her dabbling in the black magick and she "dies" but she is immortal so she can't be killed.

Ok...at least let me put on a raincoat before you start hurling the eggs and tomatoes at me.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:24 pm

Cordelia becoming a man? *snicker*

Actually, that brings up some quite yummy mental images of Drag King Cordy--which I can handle now, since I took a shower and had coffee and everything!

Ooo. Me likey.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:25 pm

Here's something I saw pointed out on the C&S Spoiler Board, which is going almost as berserk as we are.

Joss is being almost Clinton-esque with his wording. Note that he says, "Someone will be leaving us." He doesn't say if he's referring to a performer leaving the cast or a character leaving the context of the show. He doesn't say that anyone [b:32bf3e5827]dies[/b:32bf3e5827], only that they [b:32bf3e5827]leave[/b:32bf3e5827]. Whoever wrote this particular article is the one who says that someone dies.

Also, yesterday someone somewhere posted that they'd seen Joss on [i:32bf3e5827]Talk Soup[/i:32bf3e5827], and when the interviewer asked if Buffy was dying in the finale, his reply was "It's very easy to lie."

If, hypothetically speaking, Buffy leaps into a portal to seal it and save Dawn, she has "left us" but not died, and she can easily be brought back next year - and all of what Joss has said would have been true.

Just thinking... my brain is going to be in overdrive for the next 31-1/2 hours. Then the episode starts and I [i:32bf3e5827]really[/i:32bf3e5827] get hyper...

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:25 pm

You're right, Bob . . . this is like a larger-scale version of what we went through when the "Tough Love" spoilers said that "a member of the Scooby Gang is sacrificed." Oh, that Joss, he's a crafty one all right. You know, I may just enjoy this wildfeed-free thing for the finale after all . . .

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:25 pm

i agreee bob. and notice too that when Joss said the D word he just said "there will be some death". Not necessarily that a scooby will die.

I think it's mostly the interviewers' interpretations of his comments that has led to all this wild speculation on scooby death.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:25 pm

And of course when Joss made all these comments he had [b:3ad1c724da]no idea[/b:3ad1c724da] that the interviewers might interpret what he said differently, and he had [b:3ad1c724da]no clue[/b:3ad1c724da] that he'd be touching off all kinds of wild speculation...

Yeah, right.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:26 pm

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I wasn't sure how wacky the idea sounded.

I think I'll float this on the C&S and see how bad they slam me.

Bil

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:26 pm

quote:
Originally posted by CaBil:
Heya.


While I doubt Willow could build one, she could give it a better program, make it more Buffy like and fix it.

Bil



Or maybe she could reprogram it to... you know what

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:26 pm

Argh...too much speculation...brain going in fifty directions at once...I feel like I'm gonna end up catatonic before this season ends. Well, there's only--*checks non-existent watch*--26 hours to go as I post this!

Re: article above. "Fan favorite" Riley? Again with the research needing to be done.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:26 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Ed Wood:

Or maybe she could reprogram it to... you know what

No, Ed, what could she reprogram it to do? Really now, you must be more specific.
*innocent fluttering of eyelashes*

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:26 pm

Joss said before that there would be death and someone would be leaving the show. He also said there would be a happy ending.

I am all worried. I worry about Tara and I worry about Willow. I just don't know what I'll do

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:27 pm

Xita, I know how you feel, the suspense is tearing me apart.

Joss is really making us sweat for this.

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