The "It's not W/T, it's Only Subtext " Thread

[urnofosiris]

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Do we include buffy in this. cause if we do that last scene in dead things, if there was a lack of cloths, i'd swear buffy was going down on tara...

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Lets not go there, not even in jest.

[EvilAnya]

I noticed the S/F subtext in the movie, but I think there was a lot less in the book. The scene at the end was more subtexty and Sam's utter devotion to Frodo was shown a lot more. I noticed the rapidly developed friendship between L/G, but I took it for just that, friendship. Hmm.



yes, but in the book you get all those wonderfully descriptive scenes where Sam tells Frodo he loves him and how he blushes when he holds Frodo's hand and stuff, waking up hand in hand in the morning, all that sweet stuff:). Plus kisses! I keep hoping they'll leave the kisses in for the movie :)



Here's my favorite Sam/Frodo part from RotK:



"'Was it you?'

'It was indeed Mr. Frodo. I'd given up hope, almost. I couldn't find you'

'Well you have now, Sam, dear Sam,' said Frodo, and he lay back in Sam's gentle arms, closing his eyes like a child at rest when night-fears are driven away by some loving voice or hand".



I'm not much of a Gimli/Legolas shipper, though i know people will swear there is a lot of subtext there. I guess it all depends on how you view it. I think being queer, i am quick to notice anything that might be construed as queer in books/movies/television.

[tommo]

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Do we include buffy in this. cause if we do that last scene in dead things, if there was a lack of cloths, i'd swear buffy was going down on tara...

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And once again, the cold chill of nausea crept down my spine...



I feel dirty now. And not in a good way.

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[willow420]

I'm right there with you on that one Ruth. That is absolutely disgusting.

and that's how it should be.

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Kisses and gay love anyone?
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Edited by: willow420 at: 4/1/02 12:13:07 am

[the runt]

Going back to the Utena movie, I always wondered how their hair never got caught in the tires of the motorcycle/car thing as they drove away. Oh well- there was a kiss, so who cares?



virgin post! virgin post! whee!



runt

[Cicca]

Oh dear, I never considered any subtexty stuff between Humperdinck and Rugen. Inigo and Fezzik, maybe...

And that's one of my favourite scenes. Mind you, and scene that's happening is one of my favourites...

[Zahir al Daoud]

Anybody else notice that Bailey's Irish Cream commercial with three guys and a girl playing pool? I swear the vibe I get off them is that they're a foursome. Or at least that they're two couples...

[heironyma]

Well, I just spent a week in Cornwall reading Asterix books. And you know... Asterix and Obelix... Quite a lot of the time they seem to live together, they go Everywhere together, there's a big point made of how they aren't married and everyone else is, there's a whole big frame where all the village's wives are calling them in to dinner and Astrerix is calling Obelix; it all adds up.

There is some vague blushing about girls, mainly on Obelix's part, but I reckon maybe this is a Homeric-type thing, like Achilles and Patroclus, who still fuss over slavegirls like Briseis.

[VampiraJen]

If it's gonna be anyone in "Asterix" it's gotta be...sorry, have not read asterix comics since i was 10, can't remember his name...the musician that everone hated. looking back, he seemed kinda camp.

[heironyma]

His name's Cacofonix. But in the French books he has an even better name: Assurancetourix ie 'assurance tous risques', or 'all-inclusive car insurance'. Luvvli.

But I'm still in the A-O Camp. Maybe A more than O who is so ingenuous.

[VampiraJen]

well, with a name like THAT...

[Zahir al Daoud]

Anybody else catch the vibe between Aeryn and her female ex-friend among the Peacekeepers tonight? I did. Plus I forsee possibilities in the new villain, Commandant Cleavage.



edited to add:



On Andromeda I still maintain there's a potential something between Trance and Bekka.



And on Farscape don't you think there was something maybe between Jool and Chiana?



Wanna add your own?

"O Let my name be in the Book of Love!
If it be there I care not of that other Book above.
Strike it out! Or write it in anew, but
Let my name be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kayam

Edited by: Warduke at: 7/29/02 7:57:56 am

[Grimalkin]

Well, Jay and Bob they grew up together, they have definitely a history...

As for JASBSB, if you watch the double DVD, Sissy, Missy, Chrissy and Justice were indeed designed as two couples!

Some of it is still there, some of it they had to cut: After the heist, Missy and Chrissy even made out in the hotel and Sissy (Eliza) , being left alone by Justice because of Jay, screwed the pizza guy, blech...

And there was this hilarious scene with the yoice-over from the tv-news "Stimulation of the C.L.I.T. is not recommended" and Sissy replies "It is in this house, Mister!"

Try to get the double DVD, the lesbian stuff is all there and it's not Subtext, if you get the drift.





"We got nothing, isn't that someting?" ~ Kristin Hersh

[alyamber4ever]

Oh yes, I totally think they should have Phoebe date a girl!!! There is soooooo much subtext on that show, i'm just like.....COME ON ALREADY!!!!!!!! JUST DO SOMETHING!!!!!

I always thought it'd be cool if Rachel and Phoebe became a couple. I mean, ...it could happen. But, if not, then lets just get a girl for Phoebe!!!!!!! I always kinda wanted Rachel and Monica to get together too. Ahhh, Hell......how about all 3 of them together?!?!?!?!?!?!? (just kidding...sorta )

[starlet1010]

pheobe did fancy denise richards when she did that hair toss thing - "hey she's not your cousin, ask her out!"



and has anyone seen muriels wedding? it is complete subtext with muriel and racheal griffiths relationship or am i imagining things? the two of them sat in the back of the taxi smiling at each other as they go of to start a new life together, ooo makes my heart go!



also brokedown palace, claire danes and kate beckinsdale, ok so it is just a female friendship plotlie and i have to try really hard to make believe subtext into it, but wouldn't they make such a cute couple! ok, i will just pretend thats the story really.

[Hemiola]

Rachel and Phoebe together? I don't know about that....



Remember that when Phoebe kissed Rachel (in the famous episode with Winona Ryder), she specifically stated that she had "had better" .

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"If we were in prison, you two would have to be my bitches!"

Phoebe, after breaking up a fight between Rachel and Monica

[slayer747]

i watched "Killing me softly" last week... and at first i thought there was gay subtext between heather graham and the other girl... (damn, i fogot the hottie's name) but well, i was wrong.

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"Sometimes things happen between people that you don't really expect. And sometimes the things that are important are the ones that seem the weirdest or the most wrong, and those are the ones that change your life." - Jessie "Once and Again"

[Zahir al Daoud]

Okay, last night Chiana spent most of the episode around an engineer who was a woman pretending to be a man. But Chiana saw through the guise, which involved a bit of wrestling (!) and then the two of them spent the rest of the ep making eyes at each other.



I swear.



Only a matter of time till somebody walks in on Chiana in bed with a girl. Any bets?



(Same ep--John had to go to a bar in drag heh heh heh)

"O Let my name be in the Book of Love!
If it be there I care not of that other Book above.
Strike it out! Or write it in anew, but
Let my name be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kayam

[scifiacid]

I saw that the other night as well, Farscape that is, and you just know Chiana's one step away. Or, hm, something like that. I sware, the difference between Buffy and Farscape is Buffy took itself too serious last season and mucked up what it had. Farscape doesn't and it's still fabulous! But what the hell is up with Claudia Black hair? I know, wrong thread! Oops!

[chelehel74]

I must say the last two scenes expeccially after the introduction of Reyes were FULL of subtext, especially between Reyes and Scully. I remember the writers even did an interview with TVGuide before the final season where they addressed the fact that people read into the "birthing" scene as very oddly played. They admitted to seeing why people might read into it but they had no plans on going that route in the final season.



And anyone who saw the episode that Gillian wrote and directed had a bit of the lesbian idea in there when she met the lesbian woman and briefly that woman's gf who told her the theory about slowing down her life.





Babylon 5

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I have just started watching it on Sci-FI channel and am rather enjoying it. I don't know why I never watched it during it's initial run. I've always enjoyed shows of the like and after meeting the lovely Claudia Christian at a sci-fi convention I decided to add it to my TIVO line up.



Although I get the Susan being a gay character I guess I'm missing or have yet to see at what point she gets any subtext with anyone. She's spending most of her screen time now with the Captain and the Doctor.



Any clues to when in the run this all happened?

Edited by: DrG at: 8/18/02 1:42:49 am

[Zahir al Daoud]

Susan Ivanova had an immediate emotional reaction, albeit initially a hostile one, to the telepath Talia Winters. They will argue quite a bit over the course of the first season--with intriguing little signs of something else (when Talia undergoes an ordeal, its Susan who hands her a glass of water, for example). It happens by tiny degrees, until eventually Talia decides to take off her gloves (a big No-No in PsyCorps) in Susan's presence. Later, they pretty clearly spend the night together.



Its a sad tale, in the end, but a powerful one.

"O Let my name be in the Book of Love!
If it be there I care not of that other Book above.
Strike it out! Or write it in anew, but
Let my name be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kayam

[chelehel74]

Thanks for the info.



Was that in the midst of all the stuff with the voice of the resistance and the fight with Earth that is happening in repeats now or at another point in the run?



Problem with repeats are that seasons are NEVER clear.

[Zahir al Daoud]

The Voice of the Resistance is after the Talia storyline. One of the most moving moments was soon after Babylon 5 broke off from Earth (the previous season, I think). DeLenn wanted to arrange a ceremony in which everyone would reveal a personal secret. Susan, up until then a fierce leader, walked in looked as sad as she ever had. Her words "I think I loved Talia" hurt to hear.



*sniff*

"O Let my name be in the Book of Love!
If it be there I care not of that other Book above.
Strike it out! Or write it in anew, but
Let my name be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kayam

[snuggle79]

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And anyone who saw the episode that Gillian wrote and directed had a bit of the lesbian idea in there when she met the lesbian woman and briefly that woman's gf who told her the theory about slowing down her life.

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yeah, i remember that episode. It was pretty great.

But can someone please tell me which episode and which season that was? I'm afraid i don't remember it anymore.

Tara:"Maybe we dreamed it."

Willow:"Right. Right. Wrong! (points at her head ) Different Brains." Tara:"Oh yeah."


Can we just skip it? Can...can you just be kissing me now?

[kc070697]

BBOvenGuy writes:

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However, as T'Pol is a Vulcan I don't see it going anywhere, since Vulcans supposedly become sexually active only once every seven years.

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Actually, as a long-time Trekkie... I believe that they have only ever really expressed information about male vulcan sexuality... not really female. Don't hold me to it, but I believe that the seven year thing doesn't apply to a female... unless a male infects her.. as we saw on Voyager between B'lana and whats-his-bucket...



Anywya, I, too, saw the Hoshi/T'Pol episode and found myself a bit... ummm... how to say it... "intrigued"??



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how about the movie Fried Green tomatoes (i never read the book so I don't know if it was sub-texty at all in there ...)? Idgie is only vaguely interested in men, but totally dotes on Ruth. hmmm?

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As Thespia stated, the book is VERY clear about Idgie and Ruth's relationship. And especially clear that Idgie has strong romantic , if not sexual, feelings for Ruth early on... others around her even remark on it. It is an AWESOME book, by the way. VERY different than the movie. I suggest checking it out if you haven't already.. and if you were as truly irked by the subtle subtext in the movie as I was!! I needed the full picture d**n it!

Edited by: kc070697 at: 8/29/02 12:40:58 pm

[VampiraJen]

aww...susan and talia...alas, we bearly got to see the goods of that relationship...talia reaching out for susan in her sleep was great...

We don't NEED no EDUCATION. We don't NEED no THOUGHTS CONTROL. No DARK SARCASM in the CLASSROOM. TEACHER LEAVE them kids ALONE.

[The Midnight Girl]

the XF ep you're thinking of was called "All Things", and it was in the 7th season.

[the kat whisperer]

I watched an episode of the X Files today that I'd recorded from Sunday, I think it was the last episode of season 8 (??), and since I haven't watched it in a while, this was the first time I’d seen this new character Reyes (I’m assuming she’d been in a few eps before this too).



Anyhoo, there was this whole vibe thing going on between the two women as Reyes was helping out Scully when she was having her baby (how the heck she got pregnant, I don't know). Then there was this line from Reyes to Scully, "I think you are amazingly beautiful" (IIRC) and I just went



I'm probably way off here, as I’ve only been following the X Files on and off over the past couple of years, but the way I see it there are three possibilities:



1. It's just me projecting, as I tend to do whenever there is the slightest flicker of any kind of chemistry between two actresses on TV, and Reyes isn’t actually gay (and neither is Scully).



2. The X Files really have introduced a gay character and she didn't die at the end, which is a good thing, although she does smoke which (according to Marti Noxon's quaint worldview) means she may in fact be evil.



3. Everyone here is a crazy person.



4. I've slipped into a parallel universe, perhaps the land of perpetual Wednesday, or the land with no shrimp, or the land where the X Files is good again.



5. I hit my head and I dreamed it.



But enough about me, what I want to know is does Reyes have a significant role in the next season? From the ending of the ep, I’d say she looked like she was going to hang around for a while. And if she does is she good and not evil? And, more importantly, are there any more scenes between her and Scully? Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease let it be true.



kw





Edited to add: Damn it, I missed that All Things ep. Why is it that when I practically give up on a series it gets good again when I’m not paying attention? Should I start watching Farscape again with all this talk about Chiana?

"This is Doctor Schwartzman's psychiatrist office, to make an appointment press 1. If you're too timid to make an appointment ask your mother to press 2. If you're too paranoid to make an appointment, we know who you are, so you'd better press 3."

Edited by: the kat whisperer at: 8/29/02 9:05:53 pm

[urnofosiris]

Ah we've talked about Scully/Reyes subtext in the past, but if they had been or become maintext there would probably have been a seperate thread for them, but nope. In any case you were not the only one who noticed, so you did not dream it and number 2 isn't right either, but the rest might be.

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Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

Edited by: DrG at: 8/30/02 12:20:47 am

[maudmac]

Didn't someone affiliated with X Files say that it had been considered and rejected? Maybe not necessarily Reyes and Scully, but maybe making Reyes a lesbian? I don't think I dreamed that.



And yeah, that birth scene there, whew, my gaydar went DingDingDingDingDing.



Yes, that is is the sound of my gaydar. Don't laugh.

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