by november » Wed Nov 08, 2000 12:58 pm
by Zelda » Wed Nov 08, 2000 1:22 pm
And I agree with you, not only did I enjoy the episode but I was relieved. Good times all around.
by Hugin » Wed Nov 08, 2000 1:41 pm
Okay, I'm re-reading that and it looks completely incoherent, so I'm going to go back to 'they were being cute and silly'.
-len
by Spring » Wed Nov 08, 2000 1:46 pm
by TyRex316 » Wed Nov 08, 2000 1:48 pm
by Rane » Wed Nov 08, 2000 1:54 pm
and yes I am half serious!
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*a few thoughts on the subject by a lil' nothing*, Rasputina
by Zelda » Wed Nov 08, 2000 1:58 pm
Anyway, has anyone mentioned the little foot action that Willow gives Tara when she's coyly telling Tara she doesn't need snuggles?
And I must say that the "he hurt my nose" comment was begging for a kiss on the nose -- followed naturally with an "OUCH."
by Spring » Wed Nov 08, 2000 2:11 pm
In the "Three Metamorphoses" section of Also Sprach Zarathustra, Nietzsche describes "How the spirit becomes a camel; and the
camel, a lion; and the lion, finally, a child." This parable is autobiographical and casts light on Nietzsche's spiritual journey from
discipleship to Wagner to being a "free-spirit" [freier Geist] who bequeathed to posterity a philosophy that shines brightly in the
heavens as an eternal testament to thought of the highest rank. Nietzsche claims that his painful struggles to become fully himself and
to achieve mastery are hardly unique but hold universal lessons, "As it happened to me...so it must happen to everyone in which a
task wants to take form [in dem Aufgabe leibhaft werden] and come into the world."
[This message has been edited by Spring (edited 11-08-2000).]
by Hugin » Wed Nov 08, 2000 3:02 pm
But did you notice the little back rub thing Willow gave Tara during the dancing, right when they got closer together? I liked that a lot. Very couple-y.
-len
by Rane » Wed Nov 08, 2000 3:40 pm
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*a few thoughts on the subject by a lil' nothing*, Rasputina
by SciFiAcid » Wed Nov 08, 2000 5:08 pm
Touch-a touch-a... um, oops, wrong thread
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Life if it was sweet,
would mean your touch is complete.
Around my mind forever
simply one love divine... together.
by Roxton » Wed Nov 08, 2000 6:28 pm
[This message has been edited by Roxton (edited 11-08-2000).]
by cparga » Wed Nov 08, 2000 8:59 pm
Hmmmm...I was wondering this too, if Dawn has anything to do with the raging insanity afflicting Sunnydale. I'm sure I'm reading too much into this, but I couldn't help but go "hmmmm..." when Buffy says to Riley regarding Dawn that Dawn "drives her crazy". Just maybe Dawn is driving everyone crazy??
Or maybe I'm the crazy one...
Cylinda
I just wanted to say again, that Tara had better looks for willow during the dance. Willow's best looks were when Tara comes inside the covers, and she's looking up at her.. ahhh.. and when she says my dance. I also noticed Aly's voice was much softer than the more hysterical tone she sometimes gets when she's emotional. It was weird at first, but it's kind of cool.
but i did want to mention a few things.
i'm thinking the sally thing was a red herring. yknow, joss trying to slip us up and make us think that this had to do with doppelgangland... which we all totally fell for!
i totally saw the footsie, the brush, and the hand... i also saw that look tara gave as buffy is looking for dawn. my interpretation was that tara was thinking 'good. buffy is taking care of dawn like she is supposed to.'
did anyone else notice the clothing color scheme for family? very deliberate, imho...
i'm just glad we solved the 'is that xander or xander's dummy?' issue!
If anything, I'm sure Tara's been thinking all along that with their respective family backgrounds she fits right in.
i have so much i want to say about "family", but no time to type it! i depart on a 4-day trip to atlanta in an hour...
spring, once again we're on the same wavelength. found any good toys, er, "crystals", lately?
those naughty wiccans...
Tara calls her "Cousin Beth" when they first arrive. You'll notice that the
voiceover was looped; the close captioning initially reads simply, "Hey,
Beth." I believe in postproduction they realized they had to make clear
Beth wasn't a sister, or even mother, to those who weren't certain.
If Beth hasn't hit 20 yet, that could be why she didn't know the truth and
still believes in the "demon."
If she has, it was theorized that she could be from a different side of the
family that "doesn't" have the "demon" in them - could even be adopted, or a
girlfriend / married into the family, otherwise not blood related, et al.
If she has, she could also have just been told she looks like a demon, etc.
Mental abuse can make you think things and see things that aren't there.
Think of the Twilight Zone classic... It's all about the eye of the
beholder.
Speaking of Twilight Zone:
Why oh why did, the very second Beth appeared, I instantly relate Twilight
Zone to her? I think it was a combination of the ballerina from "Five
Characters in Search of an Exit" and the blond woman in an episode I cannot
recall the title of - Someone, anyone, have the title for this? - The
episode that dealt with the folk legend of the two friends, the brunette
ex-involved with a man and the blond about to marry him, when the brunette
casts a spell (with the help of the local witch-type) to make the man turn
to her instead.
Does anyone else see this TZBeth issue or am I completely alone?
Little Willow
feeling old ::
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"Magic." -- Willow http://www.amberbenson.net/ http://little__willow.tripod.com/wpwp.html http://www.gist.com/tvclubs/fanclub.jsp?fanclub=buffy
Willow and Tara have both been very Dawn-supportive since REAL ME.
Some quick examples. Including but not limited to.
Willow has consisted let Buffy confide in her about Dawn's 'annoying' level, but she relates to Dawn due to 'spaz' and tries to get Buffy to go easy on her.
NOTE when Willow calls the younger girl "Dawny" (Donny, much?) in RM.
Tara had the thumb wrestling with Dawn, the discussion about Dawn with Willow, et al in Real Me. Then in Family we distinctly see various reactions shots (go Joss) of Tara regarding Dawn.
As per Tara's "sense" of things (see Hush, TYG, Superstar, WtWTA and more) - I wouldn't be surprised if she beyond anyone else DID know more about Dawn, by either her studies, her knowledge, or simply her 'sense.'
Little Willow
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"Magic." -- Willow
http://www.amberbenson.net/
http://little__willow.tripod.com/wpwp.html
http://www.gist.com/tvclubs/fanclub.jsp?fanclub=buffy
[This message has been edited by Little Willow (edited 11-09-2000).]
anyway, yeah, cousin beth's reaction to the non-demon truth was abit odd. Did she know all along it was a ploy to keep down the womenfolk? Does she still believe she and/or tara are demons?
'nother question, DearOlDad said "the women in our family" are demons. Did he mean HIS family (passed down from the father) or tara's mum's family?
I *loved* that new poster in Tara's room. The one with the faces on it. It really adds mystery/complexity to her space. Does anyone recognize it - or know where I can buy one?
[This message has been edited by Roxton (edited 11-09-2000).]
One other thing Little Willow, since you know Amber did she tell you what Taras' secert was going to be? And what's up with her hair? Like I said before she looks totally brunett now. In the earlier episodes she looks very blonde. Is it Joss or Amber who wanted to make the switch? I'm just wonderin. Thanks.
The best ep so far, I'm now really waiting for the next Marti ep, For Your Love, that sounds exciting.
quote:
Originally posted by spuckie:
Little Willow - if yer feeling old, i must be fossilizing as we "speak"...![]()
LOL! No!!
I always feel old. I always say, my age is older than I look, younger than I feel.
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"The Stepford Wives" -- Is there an emoticon for *shudder*?
Cannot comment on the secret keeping.
I don't know if the hair change was character-induced. It's just her hair. Usually back in a scrunchie. 
Little Willow http://www.amberbenson.net/ http://www.envy.nu/yourgirl
Seaweed
quote:
The WB began the first Tuesday of sweeps with " Buffy, the Vampire Slayer." "Buffy" kicked its way to a 5.1/7. (3.1/5) Wesley pretended to be a vampire at 9 p.m., while "Angel" was away, helped the show to 4.4/6 (last week, " Buffy the Vampire Slayer" 3.1/5).
I was worried for a long time that Tara would become the amazing exploding girlfriend, which is what usually happens on TV. And this didn't happen.
I was also worried that if she didn't explode, that they would become the typical gay couple on TV, who you can tell that they are the gay couple of the show because they are never intimate with each other, they never touch each other, they never do the little things that people do when they are in love. And instead, this show was full of those kinds of things that people do regardless of sexual orientation.
I also liked how he tweaked the censors by having every other couple on the show kissing, just to show the inequity in how the gay charactors are treated.
A couple small niggles. I thought it was odd that Tara didn't introduce Willow to her father. Even if she isn't coming out to him, it seemed incongrious.
Also, I thought it odd that Willow never asked Tara if she wanted to leave *her*. The leaving was as much about leaving Willow as the rest of her life, and I would have thought Willow would have been more forceful to stop her lover.
As the charactors in the show have grown up and become more confident in themselves, I like how the charactor of Tara has brought back some of the ackwardness that we all feel. I like the assertiveness that Willow now shows both in the relationship,in the rest of her life, and with the gang.
There was a big change in Willow's attitude towards the relationship that I wish had been shown on screen, from when she goes from "I was so scared to tell you" to "you are essential". It is now past, but I wish Joss had shown when Willow changed from afraid to accepting to fighting for the relationship.
As to the acting, quite fun. I often feel that straight people who play gay charactors are still carrying around some subconscious internalized homophobia but I didn't really see that here. Aly, especially, seems to be able to be comfortable physically with Amber, which is nice to see. I expect this will grow with Tara as the charactor becomes more confident, giving Amber more range in this area.
All in all, I was very very very happy with the episode.
Saw "Family" on Saturday. I was totally spoiled, but my wife and some friends who watched the ep with us were unspoiled. The others all liked the episode. Personally, I was blown away by Joss, Alyson and Amber.
I cannot add too much to the other great insights posted here. However, I will make an observation. One of the women at work has started watching Buffy regularly this season, and we talk about the show occasionally. Her opinion of same-sex relationships like that of Willow and Tara is that they're "just wrong." However, she liked "Family", especially the part where Willow and the rest of the Scoobies supported Tara and stood up to her father. My co-worker agreed, your family are those who treat you best. Cool.
'Buffy' Episode Review
Sidney Williams is back with his latest review of the most recent episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The most recent installment of the series, which was aired on our crazy election night, was titled "Family." Here's what Sid
has to say about it:
"Family"
Tara has been an almost silent member of the Buffy family for sometime now, significant in her relationship with Willow yet defined more by her silence and alienation.
In "Family," written and directed by series creator, Tara takes center stage, picking up were an aside in an episode last season left off. As Willow and Tara attempted a spell to
reveal demons, Tara inexplicably sabotaged the spell as Willow concentrated with closed eyes.
The reason behind that is the focal point for an episode that also features cool demons and utilizes Spike's growing Buffy infatuation while developing the recent revelation that Buffy's "sister" is actually an ancient, mystical key put into the Slayer's hands for safe keeping.
It's a suspenseful installment, directed with the style fans expect when Whedon takes the helm and acted by Amber Benson as Tara and by guest players as well. Tara's folks
have that kind of eerie, backwoods feel with hints of simmering anger mixed with dangerous ignorance.
While Tara and the folks are at the forefront, Buffy's newest nemesis is also at work, proving to be dangerous and not easily stopped. A serious showdown is somewhere in the future.
Trouble with Riley is also brewing as difficulties regarding his role in Buffy's life. He'd like to stand beside the Slayer,
but things don't quite seem to work that way.
The fifth season remains as interesting and engaging as those before, making excellent use of characters and situations.
cookie monster
Welcome Cookie Monster
[This message has been edited by Zelda (edited 11-13-2000).]
as i babbled about at length in today's OT thread, i've been away, and haven't been able to partake in "family" discussion nearly as much as i'd like. i just wanted to mention a few things:
i know this has been discussed by little willow and the gang over at amberbenson.net, but one of my very favorite moments in "family" is at the end of the scene where the scoobies stand up for tara. cousin beth bbitterly asks tara "are you happy now?", and in response, tara just lets this huge *smile* slowly spread across her face. i *love* this moment. you can totally see tara thinking about all the wonderful things that her future holds with willow and her new family. this is as close to perfect as a scene can get.
i must admit that there's one thing that baffles me about the tara's secret situation: i know that tara is shy, and was very, very frightened about her (blood-relation) family, what she thought she was going to become, and how the scoobies were going to react. i *know* how hard it is for people who've been in emotionally and physically abusive situations to talk about personal problems, especially one as complicated and dangerous as the problem that tara thought she had.
but why, *why* didn't she think that she could talk to the scoobies, or at least willow, about her "demonic side"? at the very least, couldn't she have mentioned it to *anya*?! she couldn't possibly have thought that anya would have objected to someone who was part demon. and she knew that the scoobies had befriended and dated all sorts of supernatural-type people, including vampires, werewolves, and other demons. she even saw them save oz in NMR after he turned into an obviously dangerous creature and was captured. they would totally have been willing to try and help her out, help her contol the demonic side that she thought was going to emerge. giles and willow could have found useful spells, anya could have offered practical tips, even spike, if he were in the mood, could have been helpful. were i in tara's place, i would have asked the scoobies for help as soon as i'd learned about them and the other supernatural people they'd befriended.
and in a more superficial observation, as long as w & t wear floral prints like those worn in the dance scene, the name of this board is in no jeopardy...
all in all, though, i give "family" lots of "woos", even more "hoos", and crate upon crate of extra flamey candles.
[This message has been edited by Spring (edited 11-14-2000).]
Ok, last comment. I love the way Aly keeps looking at Amber's lips there at the end! I know I would sneak a few looks myself!
[This message has been edited by xita (edited 11-17-2000).]
quote:
Originally posted by Spring:
Lesbian. Witch. Birkenstocks. Duh.
You tell 'em, Spring!
ObWardrobe: My favorites were Tara's Doc Martens in "This Year's Girl", though.
Which episode also featured one of the least-flattering shirts ever to exist, also on Tara.
--Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by xita:
When Willow goes over to ask Tara to dance, she gives her the what from now on will be known as the universal lesbian touch. You know the one, the one from Superstar, starting at the elbow ending at the hand. I think Tara gives a similar touch to Willow in Where the Wild Things Are. And I am told there was a similar one between Bianca and Rain in AMC (though ABC News and the election made sure I didn't watch it).
Vampire Willow also gave it to Sandy in "Doppelgangland."
Fear. And shame.
Remember she is *not* experienced when it comes to love, or friendship. Most likely she was (and still is, btw) terrified of losing either. In other words, she doesn't want to rock the boat.
As for shame, she's been programmed by her family to feel exactly that about herself. Not merely her "demon" self, but the whole package (Donnie's casual threat of physical violence with no reproof from their father was chilling). Like the lesbian who remains in the closet even amongst the tolerant, Tara stayed in her closet (not that there's a metaphor going on here or anything).
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"O let my name be
in the Book of Love.
If it be there,
I care not of
That other book Above...
Strike it out!
Or write it in anew.
But let it be
in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kyam
by Roxton » Thu Nov 09, 2000 9:07 am
by Spring » Thu Nov 09, 2000 9:24 am
If anything, I'm sure Tara's been thinking all along that with their respective family backgrounds she fits right in.
by wolliw » Thu Nov 09, 2000 9:26 am
by Spring » Thu Nov 09, 2000 9:30 am
by april » Thu Nov 09, 2000 9:31 am
i have so much i want to say about "family", but no time to type it! i depart on a 4-day trip to atlanta in an hour...
by wolliw » Thu Nov 09, 2000 9:41 am
by xita » Thu Nov 09, 2000 10:08 am
I just wanted to say again, that Tara had better looks for willow during the dance. Willow's best looks were when Tara comes inside the covers, and she's looking up at her.. ahhh.. and when she says my dance. I also noticed Aly's voice was much softer than the more hysterical tone she sometimes gets when she's emotional. It was weird at first, but it's kind of cool.
by april » Thu Nov 09, 2000 10:14 am
spring, once again we're on the same wavelength. found any good toys, er, "crystals", lately?
those naughty wiccans...
by heathergalaxy » Thu Nov 09, 2000 10:22 am
but i did want to mention a few things.
i'm thinking the sally thing was a red herring. yknow, joss trying to slip us up and make us think that this had to do with doppelgangland... which we all totally fell for!
i totally saw the footsie, the brush, and the hand... i also saw that look tara gave as buffy is looking for dawn. my interpretation was that tara was thinking 'good. buffy is taking care of dawn like she is supposed to.'
did anyone else notice the clothing color scheme for family? very deliberate, imho...
i'm just glad we solved the 'is that xander or xander's dummy?' issue!
by tyche » Thu Nov 09, 2000 10:26 am
by xita » Thu Nov 09, 2000 10:56 am
by Little Willow » Thu Nov 09, 2000 10:58 am
by Little Willow » Thu Nov 09, 2000 10:59 am
Tara calls her "Cousin Beth" when they first arrive. You'll notice that the
voiceover was looped; the close captioning initially reads simply, "Hey,
Beth." I believe in postproduction they realized they had to make clear
Beth wasn't a sister, or even mother, to those who weren't certain.
If Beth hasn't hit 20 yet, that could be why she didn't know the truth and
still believes in the "demon."
If she has, it was theorized that she could be from a different side of the
family that "doesn't" have the "demon" in them - could even be adopted, or a
girlfriend / married into the family, otherwise not blood related, et al.
If she has, she could also have just been told she looks like a demon, etc.
Mental abuse can make you think things and see things that aren't there.
Think of the Twilight Zone classic... It's all about the eye of the
beholder.
Speaking of Twilight Zone:
Why oh why did, the very second Beth appeared, I instantly relate Twilight
Zone to her? I think it was a combination of the ballerina from "Five
Characters in Search of an Exit" and the blond woman in an episode I cannot
recall the title of - Someone, anyone, have the title for this? - The
episode that dealt with the folk legend of the two friends, the brunette
ex-involved with a man and the blond about to marry him, when the brunette
casts a spell (with the help of the local witch-type) to make the man turn
to her instead.
Does anyone else see this TZBeth issue or am I completely alone?
Little Willow
feeling old ::
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"Magic." -- Willow http://www.amberbenson.net/ http://little__willow.tripod.com/wpwp.html http://www.gist.com/tvclubs/fanclub.jsp?fanclub=buffy
by Little Willow » Thu Nov 09, 2000 11:04 am
Willow and Tara have both been very Dawn-supportive since REAL ME.
Some quick examples. Including but not limited to.
Willow has consisted let Buffy confide in her about Dawn's 'annoying' level, but she relates to Dawn due to 'spaz' and tries to get Buffy to go easy on her.
NOTE when Willow calls the younger girl "Dawny" (Donny, much?) in RM.
Tara had the thumb wrestling with Dawn, the discussion about Dawn with Willow, et al in Real Me. Then in Family we distinctly see various reactions shots (go Joss) of Tara regarding Dawn.
As per Tara's "sense" of things (see Hush, TYG, Superstar, WtWTA and more) - I wouldn't be surprised if she beyond anyone else DID know more about Dawn, by either her studies, her knowledge, or simply her 'sense.'
Little Willow
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"Magic." -- Willow
http://www.amberbenson.net/
http://little__willow.tripod.com/wpwp.html
http://www.gist.com/tvclubs/fanclub.jsp?fanclub=buffy
[This message has been edited by Little Willow (edited 11-09-2000).]
by spuckie » Thu Nov 09, 2000 11:07 am
anyway, yeah, cousin beth's reaction to the non-demon truth was abit odd. Did she know all along it was a ploy to keep down the womenfolk? Does she still believe she and/or tara are demons?
'nother question, DearOlDad said "the women in our family" are demons. Did he mean HIS family (passed down from the father) or tara's mum's family?
by Spring » Thu Nov 09, 2000 11:16 am
by ghaliya » Thu Nov 09, 2000 12:18 pm
I *loved* that new poster in Tara's room. The one with the faces on it. It really adds mystery/complexity to her space. Does anyone recognize it - or know where I can buy one?
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