by Kiwiccan » Wed Jan 24, 2001 12:48 am
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by xita » Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:17 am
by Poe » Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:20 am
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by fell » Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:40 am
This ep reminded me of how strong this whole series is. There have been episodes in the past that didn't thrill me the first time through, but after being treated to the mind-blowing revelations and developments that come in other episodes, by the end of the season i'm looking at the whole rather than the parts with each ep like a chapter in a novel. Very often there are reflections and references to the season's themes in individual eps that are recognizable only in hindsight. There are numerous examples of this, especially last season. It amounts to masterful storytelling and makes me feel that, by the end, this season will prove to be the best yet.
by Banshee » Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:36 am
-Loved the end speech..nearly spit my pepsi out of my nose when buffy was going on about the scoobs not being children..
Buffy: "Two powerful witches and a 1,000 year old demon."
Anya(in mock horror): "Willows a demon??"
-Glory was F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S! Even though I hadn't remained spoiler-free..seeing her in Buffy's house made my heart jump!
-Was it me, or was James looking ESPECIALLY edible last night? Does the dank lighting just highlight his complextion..or is that just me?
-The Knights added into the mix are VERY interesting.. Do you think Ben sent them?
-W/T..could these two be a friggin' cuter?!?! I'm smitten! 
-S
by mucifer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:56 am
i agree with all that's been said. just one more comment : anyone else love the parelels (dam i cant spell sorry) between the watchers council and her stupid professors? nice touch jane and doug!
by xita » Wed Jan 24, 2001 8:23 am
And yes that was a bit of a slip up, but maybe not. I mean maybe that prompts the scoobs to question her about what is going on. Who knows?
by Warduke » Wed Jan 24, 2001 8:41 am
And here's a little "this will put a smile on any kitten" pic... 
by april » Wed Jan 24, 2001 8:50 am
i was waaayyyy too tired to post cogent thoughts about this ep last night during my free time, but now that i'm here at *work*, i have lots of energy! heh heh. so here i go...
i second all the enthusiastic things that people have said here so far! this was a *great* buffy ep, finally bringing many of the disparate elements from this season together. some of my very favorites, from the beginning to the end:
- tara's cute comments about english people. could she be any more adorable?
- willow's "oooh, there's a delegation comin'" line.
- anya's hysterical attempts to seem genuinely human thoughout the show. to say nothing of the way that her uh, rear, looked in that dress in the first scene in the magic shop...
- buffy entering the magic shop, seeing the watchers, and saying "bad day. bad, bad..." while trying to turn around and leave. SMG delivered that line perfectly!
- the watcher interviews with all 4 scoobies. i hardly need to say more about this scene.
- spike. just for being spike. yum.
- a glimpse of the bond between buffy and giles that's been missing for a long time.
- the scene between glory, buffy and dawn. omg, how scary! glory is finally becoming a character worthy of her big bad status...
- those knights are going to be people to watch out for.
- and of course, the final scene. buffy's speech and her throwing that sword was priceless. "willow's a demon?" hee hee hee...
i felt like last season got better and better as it progressed, and it looks like this season will, too. it's clear that all of the scoobies are going to be involved in helping buffy tackle glory, and that anya and tara are undoubtedly part of the gang now. if i were glory, i'd be worried...
god i can't wait for sweeps! the rest of this season has the potential to be excellent!
by tvsurfer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 8:52 am
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so here is my question
buffy has this knight guy who is from some ancient order and trying to kill her and the key and KNOWS glory, even calls her THE BEAST and yet buffy who is despirate for info on glory doesn't push the knight for info on glory? why? why didn't she get all he knows about glory out of him? then she wouldn't have needed the watchers council
by tvsurfer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 8:58 am
Giles pointed her in the right direction with the comments about 'who has power' and that he should have 'set buffy on the council guy'
buffy's 'can I do' that reply to giles was a first step to her realization that indeed she can, she is an adult and can stand up to adults even those more senior and who hold power be it in school or work.
Buffy took her place as an adult in this ep
she defeated her fears and self doubts, over came the child bowing to adult authority (first her teacher then the council) and restored the proper order (council helps slayer not other way around)
I love when that happens, when the woman takes power and SMG does it so
well!
by april » Wed Jan 24, 2001 9:16 am
i totally agree with your comment about buffy and the knight, by the way. he was at her mercy, and obviously had some information. why didn't she get it out of him?
by TyRex316 » Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:05 am
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Originally posted by april:
i totally agree with your comment about buffy and the knight, by the way. he was at her mercy, and obviously had some information. why didn't she get it out of him?
I think she sensed he would rather die than tell her anything so why waste time. The Knights seem a little fanatical and Buffy merely let him go.
by xita » Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:10 am
W/T YEAH! That rocked. THat wasn't a leg touch, it was a leg hug. Very much nicer than our other sadder knee touch. They were close too throught the ep, sitting real close, very cute. I love them finishing their sentences as well. They are such a cute unit now. I love it. Anya was really funny. "Willow's a demon?" He he. She's such a bad liar. Oh, there's more. I'll just have to watch it again later. I have to wait till Angel is over to do that.
by Isolde » Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:23 am
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by Nouvelle » Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:38 am
Oh, and I'm also from South-Eastern Indiana. 
by tvsurfer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:39 am
if the knight had told her the beast was a god or any other information she gained from the knight would have been a trump in dealing with the council
she would have really taken the starch out of the councils sails at the end if she told the council guy they better have more info on the god glorificous or they (the council) were worthless to her
by Roxton » Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:47 am
So now the Scoobies not only have to worry about Glory and Ben they have to contend with the Knights of Byzantium. Things are really starting to heat up.
Regarding Glory being a God, I have to wonder how the Watchers Coucil would define that status. Is she omnipotent, immortal or simply invincible like the Mayor, and does she have a weakness that can be exploited?
Finally we leaned that Giles likes single malt Scotch. What can I say, the man has impeccable taste.
[This message has been edited by Roxton (edited January 24, 2001).]
by BBOvenGuy » Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:58 am
Therefore, I'd say that Glory does have weaknesses, and can be beaten if Buffy can find out what they are and how to exploit them.
Another interesting question that hasn't really been explained yet is - what is Dawn The Key to? If all Glory wants to do is go home to the ethereal regions, then I say let her go and good riddance. And yet they're not doing that, so I think there must be some other repercussions involved if Glory does get her hands on Dawn.
[This message has been edited by BBOvenGuy (edited January 24, 2001).]
by tvsurfer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:02 am
she didn't know who buffy was and where she lived or that dawn is the key and buffy has been able to escape her twice
Glory has been refered to as The Beast (a term for satan?) and she requires sucking out human brain energy to sustain herself. If she doesn't "drink" she goes psyco and looks like an addict in withdrawl. Ben is probably of equal power and one wonders why he doesn't need to "drink"
The fact that glory says ben drives her crazy suggests they're connected and ben has influence on glory
by tvsurfer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:12 am
keys open things
and we know glory is on the clock to get the key. She needs to open something and soon since there is apparently an appropriate alignment that is necessary and approaching
we also know she has been to earth several times since there have been several crazy people out breaks that ben has had to summon the queller demon for over the eons. Ben has had to clean up glories messes
this alignment thing and enery/key to open something is very reminiscent of the early buffy eps where the master needed energy/souls to open a portal/escape another dimension.
so my guess is ben and glory are connected gods and glory is attempting to find the energy source necessary to open the portal back to her dimension/world but opening that portal would probably cause havoc with this world
by tvsurfer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:12 am
keys open things
and we know glory is on the clock to get the key. She needs to open something and soon since there is apparently an appropriate alignment that is necessary and approaching
we also know she has been to earth several times since there have been several crazy people out breaks that ben has had to summon the queller demon for over the eons. Ben has had to clean up glories messes
this alignment thing and enery/key to open something is very reminiscent of the early buffy eps where the master needed energy/souls to open a portal/escape another dimension.
so my guess is ben and glory are connected gods and glory is attempting to find the energy source necessary to open the portal back to her dimension/world
by tvsurfer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:14 am
by Jon@han » Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:19 am
It's been a while since we have had the threat of character demise hanging over our heads. Remember the terror when Jenny Calendar was so untimely taken from us? (oh, we miss her still....)
In this ep, we saw Glory say straight up "The next time we meet, someone you love ends up bloody." Given the way that the Buffyverse tends to have idle threats either
a) turn out to be not so idle after all or,
b) Horribly and ironically backfire,
I think we can expect something terrible to come from this.
My bet? Joyce is a dead woman walking. Her illness was a warning, to remind us of her mortality, and to show us what would happen to Buffy. Riley leaving her, her mother's murder, Dawn's nigh-certain destruction at the end of the season.... The Buffster is about to have a Bad Day. A Bad, Bad Day.
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[1] Please refer to it that way in all future discussions. It's a good phrase; punchy, direct, abnormally capitalized.
[x] anyone care to lay money down on who's got a target painted on them? Buffy hasn't had a good ol' slaughter of characters-with-names in so long.... My list of dead-at-season's-end:
Joyce, Dawn, (Riley, if he returns), Glory, Ben, Quenton Travers, the female watcher, (heck, ALL the watchers), and a 50% chance of Oz. Dead folks walkin'....
by april » Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:31 am
initially, i too thought it strange that glory was a god yet had such obvious weaknesses. she's powerful, but not all-powerful, she can't recognize her key when it's standing right in front of her, and she has this tendency to go insane without frequent brain sucks. however, it could be that the explanation for her weaknesses is that she's not in her natural element - she's trapped in human form on the mortal plain of existence. besides being irritating for her, this also might have the effect of limiting her powers.
i think buffy needs to learn how to discover and exploit glory's human limitations. it looks like ben can help her do this.
by tvsurfer » Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:54 am
I'm not sure they will have dawn disappear
if JW has her stick around it would be an excuse to bring tara and willow into the summers home, to help take care of little sister
Reily and Oz I could easily see as expendable
by Kirk B » Wed Jan 24, 2001 12:40 pm
But just imagine the irony, from Glory's perspective at least, if she chose to kill Buffy's sister instead.
Assuming Dawn CAN die (which we don't know, since we don't know exactly what she is), it would be interesting to see how Glory would react to killing the very thing she needed to do...whatever it is she needs the Key for in the first place.
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"Even when I'm at my worst, you always make me feel special. How do you do that?"
"Magic."
by BBOvenGuy » Wed Jan 24, 2001 12:44 pm
Of course, Glory would probably then go on a rampage and destroy all of Sunnydale, but hey what's one more wave of destruction for the town?
I made a comment on the other thread about the SSS spoilers - I don't trust them. I'm always willing to admit I could be wrong, but they didn't look credible to me.
by wiccie » Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:26 pm
Looooved this ep! It was the perfect "connecting tissue" in the body of the BTVS story. OK, that analogy was a litle gross...
Anyone else think that Spike is a bit too tan? Looking at previous eps, not only did they used to cake more powder on James' face, but I think James himself has that California glow.*G*
Not that he isn't Faaaabulous, just weird to have a tan vamp.
Knights who say "Ni!" - Why didn't Buff interogate the Guy?
1. He's a zealot, and they rarely give up info easily.
2. No time, as the CoW's are waiting - plus the whole moral issue of torturing a human.
3. Thanks to SMG's brilliantly subtle acting, I saw somw wheels churning in Buffy's head when the Knight (say Kah-Nig-ut) mentioned that more will come after him.
I think she saw the potential of using the army against Glory, maybe like how Adam manipulated the Scoobies and Initiative (except that hopefully Buffy's plan will succeed).
Also, if she has more info on Glory when the Knights of Byzatium return, she might have more luck convincing them to help - or at least tricking them into it.
W/T - ahhh, my girls. What can I say? They rock beyond the capacity of words to express...But I still have a fresh fanfic to post on Friday, illuminating a few of their "lesbian/gay type lovers" moments;~)
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