oh, i know, i know... ER... my tummy's all in knots. dr. weaver... get it in gear.
she better apologize, she better fix this.
rocketdyke
by rocketdyke » Thu Mar 01, 2001 7:51 pm
she better apologize, she better fix this.
rocketdyke
by BBOvenGuy » Thu Mar 01, 2001 8:20 pm
Upon seeing your ER comment, I decided to turn the show on and see what was what. I'm not an ER fan - I've actively avoided it through most of its run, in fact - so I'll admit I'm biased, but I've been through the first act now and I'm not impressed.
There was one thing, though - when the detective was interviewing Dr. Weaver and he asked, "What's your relationship with Dr. Legaspi?" the first thing that popped into my head was, "We're lesbian gay-type lovers!"
Alas, it was not what popped into Dr. Weaver's head. And therein lies all the difference...
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by Zahir » Thu Mar 01, 2001 8:25 pm
A few other comments...
--Those kisses were perfect! All about love, and togetherness, and being there for each other. Everything love is supposed to be about.
--Can't tell you how much I loved Giles hugging both Anya and Xander.
--Poor Dawn. I have nothing but hopes for her, and fear all of them will be dashed. (BTW, did that guy in art class remind anybody else of Oz?)
--Anya and Xander are dealing, but neither one easily reveals this kind of pain. I doubt they are in trouble. And comparing them with W/T feels...mean.
--Oh. Yeah. I'm convinced some of you live in alternate timelines and watch a different BTVS. Riley not there for Buffy? When did that happen? He was always there for her, again and again. Sadly, they both had too much on their respective plates, so their love crashed and burned. Methinks it probably would have ended anyway, but that's another story. This seething (and to me, baffling) hatred of the character is disturbing. It reminds me very much of the abuse Tara gets in the newgroup. And leaves exactly as nasty a taste in the mouth.
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by SeanGaffney » Thu Mar 01, 2001 11:23 pm
The other reason I tend not to favor the 'oooh, they're breaking up' thing is pure step outside the TV show reasoning. Think about it. Joss is trying, along with several other things, to show how different people react differently to the death of a loved one. He can't have *everyone* be loving and supportive, it makes for bad drama. So who's the obvious choice for loving and supportive? Right, W/T, as if there was any other. Plus Xander's already had a few anger management issues before. So dramatically, it makes sense that they were more withdrawn.
(But Sean, no Buffy couple has lasted as many eps as they have. They're bound to break up, Joss has done it to all the other couples.)
(Shut up! I deny your reality! Lalalala...)
I can then use that out-of-show rationalization to make myself feel better about any *in* character stuff. ^_^ Plus, of course, this is what WAFFy Xander/Anya fics are for.
...damn, Willow and Tara do the loving comfort well, don't they?
--SG
by Utena » Thu Mar 01, 2001 11:41 pm
quote:
There was one thing, though - when the detective was interviewing Dr. Weaver and he asked, "What's your relationship with Dr. Legaspi?" the first thing that popped into my head was, "We're lesbian gay-type lovers!"
Oh Bob, I fell out of my chair at that one! Literally fell! Oh Kerry, if you only had half the balls Willow has. Mmm I should rephrase that, but I won't.
Ick to this whole ER rubbish! I surrounded myself with Kittens and W/T goodness as I suffered.
Joss knows how to make this little gal happy. Flaming Os. Vixens. Lesbian gay-type lovers. Be with the one you love. Kiss. Es. Kisses. Oh to wrap myself in the happiness and near perfection that is Willow Tara-ness...I need nothing else!
quote:
I am thinking, W/T are comfortable with their affection in public but not their sexuality? Know what I mean? Hence, Willow's silencing of the tummy rub.
But Xita, wouldnt that tummy rub-age qualify as affection? I can see how it can be considered somewhat sexual...but when I think of rubbing tummies my first thought is of affection.
Either way, I'm not sure it has to mean that they're not any less comfortable with their sexuality in public than a lot of other couples. I mean comparing them to Anya and Xander..well yeees...but well..it's Anya. And we know shes special.
What I'm saying is that her reaction if she considers it sexual ground seems no different than a person not wanting their more private terms of endearment/lovey dovey actions made public. Like someone who's not into PDA. Not necessarily not being comfortable with sexuality, but more of a protocal thing. I hope that makes sense.
I think listening to the Backstreet Boys is impairing my thought processes.
by xita » Thu Mar 01, 2001 11:48 pm
Sean, I worry about x/a. Long time those two have been going out. But I wish them no harm really.
by Mara » Fri Mar 02, 2001 4:23 am
by xita » Fri Mar 02, 2001 5:19 am
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by tvsurfer » Fri Mar 02, 2001 5:25 am
so far to me willow hasn't seemed to shy about discussing dates and deeds with buffy in one on ones ('she needs her vicarious smoochies') and she's talked with the scoobies openly about Oz being her "people blankie and the bronze being her place blankie but perhaps being in the Summers home with "adults/mom" and "kids/Dawn" present she is uncomfortable with discussions of affection?
Oh here is another observation, from what I can tell, to date buffy has always been the one to say "I love you" to Willow (or at least be the one to initiate that statement)
I think this is the first eppie where Willow has taken the lead and said "ILU" to buffy
and hey !! I'm a cool monster fighter !!
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by BBOvenGuy » Fri Mar 02, 2001 10:17 am
quote:
Originally posted by Utena:
Oh Kerry, if you only had half the balls Willow has. Mmm I should rephrase that, but I won't.
I was thinking last night that perhaps Kim and Kerry should get a visit from The Naughty Witches. You know, for... um, spell-casting lessons.
Where's Froggy? We have a new fic mission for him!!!
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by SciFiAcid » Fri Mar 02, 2001 10:34 am
quote:
Originally posted by xita:
Ok, and does anyone think that Tara and Willow have rooms in the same dorm? Cause it sounded like Tara could just jog down the hall to check for the shirt.
Gawd! I hope this hasn't been answered yet! I haven't gotten to page 7 yet... oy! But yes, I thought that after Family xita. Because there is a cut, right before we cut into Tara's dorm, where they use the front door of the dorm and it says Stevenson Hall on it. Now this seems odd to me considering Hush where Tara had to walk across campus looking for Willow's room.
Um... eh.
by xita » Fri Mar 02, 2001 10:41 am
I am thinking, W/T are comfortable with their affection in public but not their sexuality? Know what I mean? Hence, Willow's silencing of the tummy rub.
by Faith_Yashuu » Fri Mar 02, 2001 12:12 pm
by SeanGaffney » Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:00 pm
Anyway, I finally got around to thinking, what would this ep have been like without Dawn, our new cast member? And I realized I simply couldn't. Dawn was instrumental to the episode. I fear what Buffy would have coped like without Dawn's pain to ground her.
Moreover, I had forgotten that everyone, including Dawn, was aware of the whole 'key' thing. You'd certainly never know it by the way everyone behaved. No sign of 'hey, is her pain really valid here' from anyone. Including the audience.
That's the other thing. Dawn has occasionally irritated me the same way any precocious teen would, but I've never been irritated by the way she's written or acted. I accept Dawn and Michelle. *Far* more easily than I ever thought I would. In a way I never accepted Riley or Marc. And that leads me, once again, to the point that I simply cannot imagine what The Body would have been without Dawn in it.
Um... on topic, right. Willow! Tara! Woo!
There. ^_^
--SG
by Wonko » Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:05 pm
Just popping briefly out of lurkerdom for a small over-analysing type comment.
Watching 'The Freshman' today I noticed the scene where Buffy and Willow are in the bookshop and Buffy says:
"Wow, I can't wait 'til mom gets the bill for these books. I hope it's a funny anneurism."
Oh man. If Buffy ever remembers she said that....
Anyway, so we know Joss thinks up storylines years in advance (Dawn, Little Miss Muffet and all that) so do you think he'd been planning this or was that just a throaway line?
And yes, I have a history of over-analysying :-)
Wonko
PS - I've tried to register for this board but I always get a Connection Refused error message. Is it just my computer?
by april » Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:16 pm
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