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Originally posted by All4W/T:
I just want to say that there have been a number of black nominees in the past very deserving of the nominations and quite possibly should have won: ie Diana Ross in Lady Sings the Blues, Angela Bassett in Whats Love got to do with it, Cicely Tyson in Sounder..Samuel L Jackson for Pulp Fiction, Denzel Washington for Hurricane or even Malcolm X, Louis Gossett Jr was well deserving of his Oscar for Officer and a Gentleman..
Agreed but, in case you missed that, Ms Berry and Mr. Washington have both acknowledged that fact and, while disappointed this had to be so, they understood the importance of minorities winning critical acclaim (I think you missed that point too since no one really stated that it was a black thing but more a "person of colour" thing.
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My point is its not just the blacks that dont get nominated or win every year, there are plenty of great perfomances that dont get nominated, plenty of great actors/actresses who should have won but didnt..
Overstating the obvious here.
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Yes blacks have been passed over, but i certainly dont think its because the Academy is racist..Each category is nominated by thier peers..Everyone in the Academy votes for the winners..
And so how do you account for excellent actors/actresses of colour not receiving their due in the past? A Freak accident? *raised eyebrow*
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If they didnt win in the past, i really dont think it was because they were black..Politics as far as how commercially successful a movie is plays a role, popularity of the actor plays a role, whether its a makeup award for a previous year plays a role (like it or not, it does happen)..
That's not necessarily true. Many commercially viable motion pictures have been passed over and even extremely popular actors have been overlooked (whether they be of colour or not)....so, while that argument could be made, it doesn't hold up.
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I think making this a race issue and saying that its time we make up for blacks not winning in the past,has taken away from the fact that two very fine ACTORS won..
I disagree...I think it helps prove to minorities that there is hope for them and that they can be just as successful as the Sidney Poitiers and the Denzel Washingtons or even the Colin Powells of the world.
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Some of the things ive read on other boards go from "now the white folks know how it feels", to the "its about time", to "see how ya'll like it"..My goodness racism is alive and well in America, black and white..All this seems to have done is bring it back to the surface and show far we have not come in all these years..
While I cannot speak for all of the ignorance of other boards (and I do realise reverse racism does exist), that is not a reason why blacks and other minorities should not be proud of the accomplishments done on Oscar night. For others it may be about race for entirely different reasons. But to lump all of the "it's time that whites know how it feels" idiots in with those who are proud of minority achievement plain and simple, does everyone a disservice.
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It saddens me that this had to come down to a race issue
That saddens me too....but unfortunately that seems to be the way of the world.
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and if the awards were pre determined so that blacks won to make up for past snubs, shame on the Academy..
Unless you are a member of the Academy or SAG you can not possibly know this. If you have concrete support for this assertion, please fill us all in. If not, this assertion can not be supported except for pure speculation.
The Academy should be ashamed mostly in not promoting equity period. Which I feel is their biggest crime.
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They dont understand us therefore they dont tolerate us.."Its a lifestyle choice"..Its acceptable to gay bash and make jokes and stereotype gays and lesbians, but not acceptable to do the same for people of color..Prejudice and discrimination are the
same regardless of who it involves, but no one "gets" that..
Acceptable to whom? The Screen Actors Guild? The Academy? Because I thought that's who we were talking about here instead of the failings of humanity in general. Unfortunately, there will always be someone who will be prejudiced against someone for some spurious reason or other. I think we all "get" that. But there have been gays at least nominated (and I believe a few that have actually won) an Oscar. Those numbers still may be a bit more skewed than the numbers for minorities who have won Oscars.
Toni
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[This message has been edited by Kieli (edited March 26, 2002).]