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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Wiccagrrl » Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:25 am

quote:
Originally posted by april:
oh, one more thought.

enough with TALKING about the kisses and gay love, let's SEE some already!!!

who's with me on this one?


(Wiccagrrl raises her hand enthusiastically)

Totally agree, make with the smoochies and hot girl-on-girl action already

I really liked this ep. Very strange, and the ending was very odd. The Xander/Spike interaction was interesting. W/T, always great, and Tara got to save the day (with a little help from Buffy ). Good to see Joyce again. Felt bad for Dawn. Way, way too long before the next new ep.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby cachaco » Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:40 am

Yeah, this ep was a real winner, the doctor deconstructing the premise of the show was *hilarious,* I fell over onto the floor laughing (granted, I was sitting on the floor at the time, but still...). Eps like this renew my faith that Joss is in complete control, the rest of the season is going to be very very interesting, can't wait to see what happens.

Jesus, Amber is such a HOTTIE! Wow, that outfit, those pants! Screencaps 30-33 in Ange's album (merci bien, Ange, tu vraiment merites ton nom!) are the point of reference. Yowza.

Nice to see Joyce again. Interesting the divisions within the Nerd Troika. Love that Tara came over to Willow's, very forward, I'm all for take-charge Tara. Willow sure did get mad about the perceived new gf - "would have magicked my fist thru a wall," that can't be good. Loved the ambiguity in the end, lots of interesting stuff is in play. Much too long 'til the next ep!

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby June » Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:50 am

Like most of the posters here, I liked this ep. It made me think serious thoughts.

But first, Willow/Tara goodness! *Loved* the "gay love" pickup line. Loved Buffy and Willow bonding and being all best-friendy. Loved Willow not using magic to help Buffy and fight the demon. Willow seems so much more happy now that she's given up magic, and things are looking up for her.

As for the rest of the ep, I was convinced that the asylum world was the illusion but by the end, I wasn't so sure. Especially when Joyce was saying to Buffy how she had to be strong and how she would always be there for her. I think losing her mom devastated Buffy more than we know. I think one of the major reasons why Buffy chose the asylum world instead of Sunnydale was to be in a world where her mother was still alive. Perhaps seeing and talking with her mother gave Buffy the impetus to take back her own life.

I have no doubt that Buffy's friends will forgive her and support her through this difficult process.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby murph » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:01 am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Italiangirl:


Another interesting thing that too me bears more discussion is Buffy's statement to Willow when she appears in her room with the antidote in the mug. Buffy says that Willow always comes through, but the way she says it...her intonation, I thought it was almost sinister, or disappointed. Almost as if Willow had "come through" before by bringing her back from the dead and pulling her out of "heaven" (I use the quotes on purpose...I've never been convinced of that) and now Willow is on the scene "coming through" again with an antidote that will draw Buffy out of her delusions and world of 'safe' institutions when Buffy wasn't really ready.


Alrighty! Much goin on in the old brain box after tonight's ep.

First off I also noticed that unusual intonation from Buffy about Willow "coming through." Only watched the episode once so far so not sure where my opinion lies but would be very interesting to get more kitten interpretations.

Secondly, I think it was ilia_mr who touched on the similarities between this ep and NMR with regards to Tara and Willow's hurt. I also spotted a similarity when Willow talked about 'magicking her fist through a wall.' This reminded me so much of when Oz, despite all he had learned about keeping the wolf under control, just couldn't fight it when he found out about Willow and Tara. Could be a positive sign in that Willow was able to restrain herself whereas Oz wasn't...

On the whole: great episode, sexy pants, cute willowhat and dykey tarashoes. What more can you ask for? Except, obviously, unbridled Willow/Tara love...

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Postby Genea » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:06 am

Willow practicing talking to Tara: '"Do you wanna go out some time, for coffee, food, kisses and gay love?"

I'd go out with her.

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Postby invisigoth » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:11 am

quote:
Originally posted by JJ:

I'm going to spend the whole rest of the shows existence wondering if Buffy just imagined everything in all those years. It's like the series finale of "St. Elsewhere" where all those events were created in the autistic boy's brain.

All they needed in that episode was one of the Dr.'s from St. Elsewhere to be there at the mental institution checking up on Buffy. Now that would be a trip. The insane girl who thinks she's a Vampire slayer is all part of the imagination of an autistic boy.

This episode was a trip.

Now for the important stuff. Willow was so freakin' cute in this episode. Coffee, kisses and gay love will now be my mantra. And I loved the ponytail! It remainded me of High School Willow.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby murph » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:30 am

I have a quick question that hopefully someone will be kind enough to answer

I got most of the allusions to criticisms of the show - the nerds being so much less than Buffy's usual foes; Buffy's "I should be taller than you." But I just can't figure out the thing about Willow doing Dawn's chores. I'll probably do a huge D'oh! when someone enlightens me but in my defence I have an excuse. I've missed out on a few episodes of the season cos I just did one of my all too frequent moves from the UK to the US and with you guys being ahead of us I've had to fill in the blanks...none too successfully it would appear.

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Postby emma_peel » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:41 am

I thought it was a great episode. I can't add much right now that hasn't already been said.
Having said that, did anyone recognize Michael Warren (the doctor) as the actor who played Bobby Hill (??), Renko's partner on "Hill Street Blues?" He's still kinda cute,for a guy.
Also,did anyone notice that it seemed like Spike had a slight bit of a "chip" problem when he was talking to Buffy in the house? I almost thought he was on the verge of one of his headaches.

Forgot to add that while I was fast forwarding thru the commercials, I had a cable movie on,"A Prayer before Dying," with Mickey Rourke (yuck!), but one of the supporting players was "Anthony Head," playing a character named "Rupert." At one point he was forced to disrobe and jump off a ship into the water,and you could see his backside. Kinda funny.
Sorry for the ramble.Back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
Woo Hoo! Tara is a hottie!!!!! Those pants!

*edited to say that instead of double posting, please edit your first post and add anything new to that one.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Ange » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:51 am

I just wanted to thank everybody about the album and the nice comments. 916 visits in 2 days. Waouuu. The album will always stay online by the way.

Believe me i'll be there, for all the other episodes and there'll be some other album like this one.

I really liked the episode too. Just complaining about the 6 weeks of waiting. That's all.

Ange.

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Postby Genea » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:54 am

Okay, so now I've seen pictures(thanks,ange) and damn did tara's ass look awesome wonder if she needed help getting them off*puts hand up pick me,pick me* poor willow so cute practicing and then seeing that other girl kiss tara*hate that girl* but the future looks good for our girls.
So happy to see B/W moments their so sweet.
Anybody besides me tired of Xander's testosterone issues, I think he needs a man to calm him down . I mean sure Spike's basically evil but, hello he's a vampire and he's always there for them and expecially Buffy. *xander is on my list*growl and hiss.

p.s. tara's boots definately hot,definately screaming dyke right here but I love her so its okay.

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Postby invisigoth » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:59 am

quote:
Originally posted by emma_peel:

Also,did anyone notice that it seemed like Spike had a slight bit of a "chip" problem when he was talking to Buffy in the house? I almost thought he was on the verge of one of his headaches.

It wasn't chip problems. He briefly stepped into the sunlight.

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Postby emma_peel » Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:11 am

Aha! Thanks for the explanation,invisigoth.That makes sense.
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Postby Eyes Without A Face » Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:33 am

"I got most of the allusions to criticisms of the show - the nerds being so much less than Buffy's usual foes; Buffy's "I should be taller than you.""

OK. I must be blind but I haven't noticed the critisms about Buffy's height, probably because this is almost the only board where I read about the episodes. Why is that an issue at all for some people? I mean, Dawn is a teenager and she's growing. Since Buffy is only 5'2", chances were very good that she would be taller than her soon.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby invisigoth » Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:45 am

Hey, I'm taller than my sister and she's older than me. It drove her nuts for the longest time. When we were young my parents made us all line up in a row by age for family pictures. We looked like a stepping stool on a staircase for the longest time, with my oldest brother being the tallest. Then when I was in High School I shot pass my sister and the stepping stool was never the same. I kind of like the fact that Dawn is taller than Buffy. MT really grew in 2 years. She started the show shorter than SMG, but by Forever she was taller than her.

Oh, yeah back to the point. Did anyone else think of Andrea Yates while watching this episode? I guess it's because the verdict came back today, but when Buffy started attacking the Scoobs and putting them in the basement I got a chill. I started wondering if something similar might have gone on in the mind of Yates. She could have been so wacked out of her mind that the only "logical" conclusion was to kill her children to save them from Satan.

Spooky stuff.

I really, really hope they don't pull this crap for the series finale when it eventually happens.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby J » Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:28 am

Perfect ep - both realities are possible. And I thought I'd just throw this out there; I have no doubt our girls will get back together, but don't be surprised if Willow has some heartache first. Yeah, that girl Tara kissed was only a friend but something like that can upset an already hurting and fragile Willow, especially if she doesn't ask or have it explained soon and it festers. Festering is not good.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby j_uk » Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:28 am

My theory on the height issue:

I think that it all goes back to the purpose of the Slayer. She was designed to draw the evil things to her, and given the abilities to kill them. Buffy is short and gorgeous, as is Faith, Kendra, and (as far as I can remember) so were the other Slayers we've seen.

If you were a vampire (and you didn't know who they were), who would you choose to attack first - Buffy or Xena?

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby mucifer » Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:35 am

loved the episode cant wait to see where it leads! as it seems clear our girls will be together soon it also seems clear we havent seen the last of institutionland. i hope not anyway.

i did notice michael warren who played bobby hill as the doctor that was cool.

i think there is more consistancy with buffy's mental illness. i dont think it was mentioned before here but willow last season used magic to pull buffy out of he depressive catatonia.

this episode really depressed me. it was great. i think it was largely buffy mourning her loss of her genetic family her mom and dad. poor dawn. i dont know how the show can go back after buffy tried to kill the scoobys.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Epicurus » Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:48 am

Spike doesn't need to eat food right? Yet he, more then any other scoobie, is always carrying grocery bags.

Willow with her hair up... yummy.

Tara's pants... yummy.

I'm still pondering the ending. I'm also wondering the significance when the doctor said (paraphrasing here):
'last year we had a break though'
Was Buffy's death a break though?
WHO is the first slayer? And what sort of gift was that now?? AND Why did Tara speak for her?
I know these questions have come up before, but there's a new light shinning and I need answers damnit.

On a final note, I thank the writer for not scripting a scene where we see Buffy drag Willow to the basement. I just do not wanna see that. Willow is tried up in a basement, by her best friend no less, facing impending doom and yet she didn’t use magic. So she won’t use magic to save her own life but when it comes to Tara...

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Corporeal Dennis » Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:55 am

Man, have y'all completely forgotten last season already? Like the penultimate episode, "The Weight of the World", where Willow has to go for a walk in Buffy's psyche because Buffy's shit is totally freaked out? That's the breakthrough they're talking about. Not the time she spent in her heaven.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby darvangi » Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:12 am

I thought this episode rocked hard. Extremely cute to see Willow stuck on Tara and nervous about talking to her, and very satisfying to see Tara save the day. Nick had more opportunity to do some actual acting this week to go along with his great performance last week. I loved his delivery of the line about having the hole inside and him being the moron who dug it out.

Sooo spooky to see Hank and Joyce together with Buffy in the crazy world. I always forget that Hank is played by the guy who was Almonzo on Little House on the Prarie. I want to see Joyce cling to him and say "oh, Manly..."

I wonder if Giles will make a guest appearance to look into the closed-down Magic box? That would be awesome.

I was reading the review by Jerk - oops, I mean Herc - and saw where he accused the ep of being a rip off of a DS9 ep. Please! There have been so many 'life is but a dream within my lunatic stupor' scenarios throughout the years in movies and books...as if DS9 was the first. Pshaw, I say. Anyway, my favorite was 12 Monkeys.

On a side note - have I missed it, or did anyone recognize that this week's ep marks the fifth anniversary of the broadcast of the first episode, Welcome to the Hellmouth, March 10, 1997? HAPPY FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY, BTVS! Woo, and hoo.HAPPY FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY, BTVS!

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Hemiola » Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:12 am

Well, I'm certainly glad I'm not the only one who caught this...
Last season, we had an episode ("Forever") whose plot was mostly taken from a pre-existing story, "The Monkey's Paw". Now I'm little worried about an episode where the plot is an "old chestnut" of series television: the lead character is made to believe that he/she is delusional and that the "reality" we have been lead to believe is "real" is, in fact, a hallucination. Previous posters have mentioned the plot being used twice in "Star Trek" (there was an episode of "TNG" where Riker believes he is imprisoned in an alien asylum, and a famous episode of "DS9" wherein Sisko is made to believe that he is a science fiction writer in the 1950s!) and even as recently as in "Charmed". In fact this plot may even be as old as the original "Twilight Zone" series!

Now, I'm not suggesting that we necessarily need to fear a "jumping-the-shark" scenario, since "Buffy" did manage to put a whole new "slant" on the idea (and integrate it very nicely into the pre-existing plot ), but you have to admit that it is a little disturbing to imagine Joss saying to his staff, "OK, it's time to do a 'lead-character-thinks-she's-delusional' episode".

I'd better state at this point that in spite of what I've written above, I found this episode to be immensely enjoyable . There were splendid performances from the entire cast, but especially from SMG--I'm beginning to think that the girl can do just about anything. And of course I must state how nice it was to see Kristine Sutherland/Joyce again .

And there never was a truer statement than "Once you've fallen for Willow, you stay fallen.".

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby pinhead » Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:46 am

all height issues aside (and really, folks, what big sister doesn't hate being towered over by the younger and whinier?), i just wanted to add my voice to the "go this episode" side of the ledger. great glimpses into character, wonderful acting by SMG, great w/t almost interaction, and willow in almost attractive clothes. plus a nasty slimy monster and some troika angst. nummy.

did anyone else have a turning point sense of things - as if the pace of the season is about to pick up? not that watching the gang work through their various issues hasn't been entertaining (well, okay, sometimes it's been a leetle less entertaining than BTVS usually is), but it seems like evil things may again be more prominantly afoot....

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Oz_Island » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:03 am

quote:
Originally posted by Hemiola:
Well, I'm certainly glad I'm not the only one who caught this...
Last season, we had an episode ("Forever") whose plot was mostly taken from a pre-existing story, "The Monkey's Paw". Now I'm little worried about an episode where the plot is an "old chestnut" of series television: the lead character is made to believe that he/she is delusional and that the "reality" we have been lead to believe is "real" is, in fact, a hallucination. Previous posters have mentioned the plot being used twice in "Star Trek" (there was an episode of "TNG" where Riker believes he is imprisoned in an alien asylum, and a famous episode of "DS9" wherein Sisko is made to believe that he is a science fiction writer in the 1950s!) and even as recently as in "Charmed". In fact this plot may even be as old as the original "Twilight Zone" series!

Now, I'm not suggesting that we necessarily need to fear a "jumping-the-shark" scenario, since "Buffy" did manage to put a whole new "slant" on the idea (and integrate it very nicely into the pre-existing plot ), but you have to admit that it is a little disturbing to imagine Joss saying to his staff, "OK, it's time to do a 'lead-character-thinks-she's-delusional' episode".

I'd better state at this point that in spite of what I've written above, I found this episode to be immensely enjoyable . There were splendid performances from the entire cast, but especially from SMG--I'm beginning to think that the girl can do just about anything. And of course I must state how nice it was to see Kristine Sutherland/Joyce again .

And there never was a truer statement than "Once you've fallen for Willow, you stay fallen.".


The main difference between this episode and the others you mentioned is the fact that it's basically every episode of Buffy that comes into question...not just an event. And also, we can't really say where Buffy really is by the end of the episode. She either chose to stay dellusional, or the other reality doesn't exist. Of course, both realities could exist and she was just jumping from one the the other. Whatever the case, I'm glad she chose the reality she did.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby buffelina » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:11 am

According to Willow in S4, "Normal is relative." Last night's episode couldn't have demonstrated that statement more lucidly. "Normal Again" reminded me (perhaps too much) of "A Beautiful Mind." Yet as Hollywood continues to generate a thread of well-crafted inquiries into "reality" -- e.g., A Beautiful Mind, Memento, Mulholland Drive -- it is no wonder that a show the caliber of Buffy would tackle this issue.
It was probably very difficult for loyal Buffyholics to grapple with the nuance that every aspect of Sunnydale we have come to know during past six years may only have existed within the realm of Buffy's mind. Kind of Lynchian, no? Especially the very last scene, which leaves you ultimately perplexed. Whether Sunnydale or the institution is Buffy's reality is left unresolved.
As uncomfortable as the thought is that Sunnydale may have been just fabrication spun in Buffy's mind, isn't Sunnydale, and Buffy herself, the mere fabrication of the mind of Joss Whedon? Great meta-cinematic commentary here.
We the audience, along with Buffy, along with those who make the show, are seduced into the
world of Sunnydale. It has become a sort of reality for us. As a viewer who has made Sunnydale her parallel universe for six seasons in a row, I wonder: Is "reality" just as relative as "normal"? Is there such a thing as "reality"? Are fluid selves and realities more authentic and "real" than what we perceive as real? Finally, do unfixed realities offer the human individual a wealth of potential and endless possibilities?
Whatever the answer to these questions are, Buffy chooses Sunnydale over the ostensibly "normal," a brave choice that offers her a wealth of personal potential. We as viewers follow and support Buffy in her choice. Sunnydale has become our parallel universe, a world through which we redefine ourselves and our realities. There may be a little schizophrenic in all of us.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Hugin » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:17 am

Hemiola, my feeling is there are certain kinds of stories that get told over and over and over. Actually, they're not really stories, they're frameworks for stories. They're setups.

The "one person falls in love with another but thier parents/friends/society disapproves." It gets told with racial angles, gender angles, religious angles, nationality angles, but it's the same story framework.

Or the "Rag tag group of misfits come together and somehow manage to accomplish a feat that a more technically accomplished or officially sanctioned but "soulless" or "passionless" group cannot. And that gets military mission angles, show business angles, sports team angles, etc.

When you look at the realm of fantasy/sci-fi stories, you see the same thing, any long time sci-fi geek has seen or read the: "Warning from your older self from the future about some dire matter" story, or the "It's all in your head, you've been imagining this the whole time" story or the "child with a special birthmark has a secret destiny" story, or the body switch/gender swap story, the evil twin story, the "evil monster is just a parent protecting it's children" story, the "your gods are actually advanced aliens/computers" story, the "stuck in a time loop story" the "adventures of your heroes as little kids/old folks" story, etc.

We could map just about all of those to one or another episode of Star Trek, Farscape, Buffy, Twilight Zone, Dr. Who, Stargate SG-1, Xena/Hercules, Charmed, X-Files, you name it.

I actually look forward to these kinds of stories, my friends and I literally rub our hands and go "Oh man, how is this show/episode writer/group of actors going to handle the "body switch" episode or what have you.

How these story framworks are used is the important thing to me, I don't think anyone tries to pretend the setups themselves are original.

-len

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Lanfear » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:21 am

quote:
Originally posted by Ursula:
still, it's not NEARLY as full of continuity holes as Fool for Love (about which i will be eternally pissed!), so pretty minor considering.

What continutity holes?
if it was spike's age, then josh has admited he sucks in math and that thats a fault from his side, as for Angel beeing with darla 2 years after getting a soul, thats on purpose, if you see the coresponding Angel episode, you'll see what we didnt get to see in the buffy one, couse it's sort of a crossower, with angel saving some ppl and darla complaing he only kills murderers and suchlike.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Epicurus » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:21 am

quote:
Originally posted by Corporeal Dennis:
Man, have y'all completely forgotten last season already? Like the penultimate episode, "The Weight of the World", where Willow has to go for a walk in Buffy's psyche because Buffy's shit is totally freaked out? That's the breakthrough they're talking about. Not the time she spent in her heaven.


So say you.
Who's to say that that is what the doctor was talking about?

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby spellbound 13 » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:34 am

Hi all,So there's no ep 18 after this ep?

Nicole

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Eyes Without A Face » Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:03 am

"What continutity holes?
if it was spike's age, then josh has admited he sucks in math and that thats a fault from his side, as for Angel beeing with darla 2 years after getting a soul, thats on purpose, if you see the coresponding Angel episode, you'll see what we didnt get to see in the buffy one, couse it's sort of a crossower, with angel saving some ppl and darla complaing he only kills murderers and suchlike."

Lanfear,

In season 2's School Hard, Spike yells at Angel the first time they confront, in the school, and, after hitting him when he fakes being about to share Xander's blood, said: "You sired me!!!. Xander even asks later what this siring business is.

However, in Fool for Love, Spike is shown to be sired by the ever lovely Drusilla. The only way to reconciliate the two is to say that since Angelus sired Dru, he indirectly sired Spike. I am quite content with Spike not having been sired by that chump Angelus.

Some proponenets of quantum multiverses argue that all possibilities are implemented at events in a universe and that these divergent results simply sprout as different multiverses before each resuming their own independant course. I have a feeling that Buffy is 'quantum leaping' between realities. I would be quite happy with that as long as one Scott Bakula doesn't make a guest appearance as a vamped Captain Archer (or as a normal Captain Archer for that matter).


As for Oz leaving Willow, he did not fall 'out of love with her'. He said he was leaving her because she was bringing the wolf out of him. If he would have remained with her, he probably would have hurt/killed either her or someone else later. So leaving her was the right decision even if it broke his heart. The parallel is strong with Xander's decision to leave, at least for a while, in order not to hurt the one he loves. The Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau famous motto sums this all: "La raison avant la passion".


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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby april » Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:06 am

another thought on this ep...

there was one thing that happened in "normal again" that REALLY bothered me, because it does a number on the continuity of practically the entire show. when buffy said that her parents had briefly institutionalized her when she first found out about vampires, and then they "must have forgotten about it", i was like "what the FUCK?"

first of all, if i were a parent and i ever had to institutionalize my child, you can bet i would NEVER forget about that. second, like willow, i find it hard to believe that buffy never mentioned this to anyone, regardless of how traumatic it was for her. i feel like she would have at least have mentioned it to giles or to angel.

third, and most importantly, at the end of S2/beginning of S3 when buffy finally tells joyce that she's the slayer, there is NO WAY that buffy's being previously institutionalized wouldn't have come up. joyce wouldn't have forgotten about the incident so completely that hearing about vampires again wouldn't ring a bell. at the very least, she would have said something like "didn't we go through this before, when you were in the hospital a few years ago?" and when she finally realizes that buffy is right, that vampires and the slayer really do exist, the joyce i know would have been devastated about what she'd done to buffy, and would have apologized for institutionalizing her when she was right all along.

yet, NONE of this was mentioned back then, because this is clearly something that the writers just came up with to underscore the plot for this one ep. it's cheap, and it doesn't fit with the continuity of the series.

so although overall i thought this ep was really well done, i wish that they'd left that one part out.

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