General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 8

[kpmuse]

I really couldn't care less what is going to happen to everyone else on the show. I care about Willow and Tara. Learning that the other Scoobies will have horrible situations too will just not matter or ease any of the pain.
Want to be hopeful, but right now, it's only anger and grief I'm feeling.

[xita]

kpmuse, it is relevant to us because if every character is hurt, if every ship is shattered, then the show can stay like that. No one would watch.

[kpmuse]

sorry, xita, but I dont' get it.

Edited to say : OH! I got it! You are right! Thanks!

kris

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[Ari]

kpmuse,

I'm not trying to downplay how we can and should feel about Will and Tara's fates and what we're going to be put through. I'm expecting much pain and torture, myself.

I'm just saying that the more everyone is put into the worst possible situation the more it would be clear that the only viable solution is to stop those things from happening in the first place. And that it's not just Joss suddenly deciding to give us every bad lesbian cliche in the book, but in keeping with a larger theme of what everyone will be going through.

If I'm wrong, then I'll be as angry as anyone. If for no other reason than because my partner, who doesn't even come online, is so upset by the notion of her dying that she's not even going to watch this weeks ep with me.

Ari

[Dr.G]

kpmuse, this scenario is not only hurtful to the W/T fans (though of course what happens to them hurts us the most) but to almost everbody, even if you only like one of the characters and hate all others. Everybody gets mangled. Willow, Tara, Buffy, Dawn, Xander, Anya, Spike, all of them. It cannot be this way, we can just tune into the news for this kind of grief. This is not right. I believe what AngelX posted may happen, but we don't know everything yet. It cannot end this way, this has to be undone or the show is over.

Editing to add: Joss may hate spoilers, but you know, considering how many people are posting and talking about the show now, it sure keeps it alive better than all the reruns or commercials ever could. I know I might have given up on the show long ago if I had not found the Kitten Board. Welcome to Dutch TV, here's an episode, tune in for the next one in 6 months, be sure to remember.

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[The Godfather]

My only problem is even if they reverse what some of the characters have done..can you forgive what they would have done?

-Shawn

[kpmuse]

Yup! You are all right! Thanks for opening my momentary blinders.

kris

[Pudds]

Hey everyone!

I've read the whole thread now and I just can't believe its gonna go down like this. Turning Willow into a possible murderer is absolutely abhorrent to me. Up until this season she had always been so optimistic and naive..a very sweet character.

I know she lost her way this season, but she made a choice in "Wrecked" and she's sticking by it. To be honest it's the choice thing that's really winding me up.

Willow and Xander made a choice in Season 1 to be good guys, to go out and save the world time and again. Only truly special people with a boundless capacity for compassion and love could do that. But now we have to believe that Willow is so twisted that she can torture and possibly murder a human being. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

I've watched the show from the beginning and Willow has always appealed to me and is by far my favourite character. What the fricking hell is gonna happen with her next season if all this comes to pass? I dread to think!!

As bad as killing Tara is...and it is...doing this to Willow is the ultimate cruelty. She'll be destroyed as a character, with no hope and no future.

I'm sure there's a catch somewhere because I truly believe Joss wouldn't do this to his characters.

[Dr.G]

I can Shawn, what if is not what is.

[Ari]

Shawn,

Excellent question. That might even be this season's version of a cliffhanger.

Ari

[Xanderella]

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Originally posted by The Godfather:
My only problem is even if they reverse what some of the characters have done..can you forgive what they would have done?

-Shawn

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I think so, for some. Willow for instance. If she goes off the wagon because of some horror - yes, it's very forgivable, at least to me. And I think Tara would *get* why she did. It would mean Willow still has work to do on her recovery - but since we're laboring under the anvil that is Willow's magicks addiction anyhow, lots of people in recovery have slips or almosts, and get back up. Also, a "slip" was foreshadowed in "Gone" not only when Xander accused Willow of making Buffy blinvisible, but just prior, when Willow almost used magicks to retrieve that book.

I am just trying to stay optimistic. That this atrocity supposedly happens in episode 20, is to me, the most promising hint that it may get undone.
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[The Godfather]

I have a hard time with that..if they show a scene where Spike tries to rape Buffy..that's always going to be in my mind..and even though it wouldn't occur in the RealVerse...it would always be there for me..I'd know that he could do it and even would..

Kinda like a court case. A lawyer says something to get the jury's attention, to get it in their and get them thinking..the other lawyer objects and the judge says disregard that. But really..do they? Can they? Isn't it always there?

-Shawn

[WiccansIllusion]

Buffy Episode 117 - "Normal Again" Production Code: 6ABB17
Buffy Episode 118 - "Asylum"
Production Code: 6ABB18
Buffy Episode 119 - "Venoms"
Production Code: 6ABB19
Buffy Episode 120 - "The Future is Now"
Production Code: 6ABB20

This is all from a very reliable sight. All their episodes have been right so far. Also a rather reliable source has told me that Amber used to post on the board, so maybe she and Joss coaxed up a false spoiler to see the reaction if she where to leave the show. After hearing this Kitties, I still have hope.

[The Godfather]

I don't buy The Future Is Now. That was supposed to be the title for Fury's ep 11. It's a rehashed title.

Also, we have different titles confirmed for 18 and 19..Entropy and Seeing Red.

-S.

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[TarotX]

I know this isn't something you or I want to hear but it's my throughts.

How can none of the angst really happened (because of either time warp/disortion or the power of the wish) move the story along? It has to be real or only the dead scoobie and the person they are in a relationship with will be affected. Unless It's Xander who dies and not Tara because Anya dying won't really affect anyone other then Xander really. Xander's death will affact the scoobies but only on a small scale because he's not really in either WIllow or Buffy's life in the way he used too. It'll be sad but not life changing. That's the whole point of the death in the first place-right? Or maybe I'm in denial! Xander doesn't fit the clues either but they could be wrong.

Tara dying will cause Willow to flip which will affact the scoobies because she is doing things that they have to deal with. But that would mean next season will have more misery then 5&6. I don't think I can handle any of it.

Of course maybe it is just to affect us the viewers and so it doesn't matter if the angst isn't "real" to the characters?

That would be at a level of unbelievable evil I don't think anyone can deal with. This will be over 19-22 and that's a long time to torture the characters and us and then only us.

I think I'm going to be crazy by the time the wild feed for episode 22 is released!!!!!!!

[Katharyn]

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Originally posted by The Godfather:
My only problem is even if they reverse what some of the characters have done..can you forgive what they would have done?

-Shawn

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I have no grounding in the Anya/Wish thing as I have only seen this particular spoiler and what has followed in the 24 pages of the thread, but lessons could be learnt if characters still remembered, as we will, what had happened. If this "reset" happened without affecting memory... They would know the consequences and could "grow up." There would have to be forgiveness... but also relief at what had been averted so narrowly.

Just a thought.

Katharyn

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[Zxnder]

This is my first time posting here,and I'd first like to say how MUCH i love tara. Shes one of my favorite characters (if not my favorite). Now.before everyone goes crazy, these things might not come into play.If they did..it would seem pointless to me tho..I mean willow saved tara last year:

TARA: "Wilow..I was so lost"
WILLOW: "I will ALWAYS find you"

She risked her life and saved tara..only to have her die again? (life.how sad)

However, I heard another rumor that the person that dies gets revived, but not through magic, and that this revival causes many problems. I also heard tara will be appearing on Giles show as a ghost..so maybe she is a ghost aftr she dies (thats revival), and if shes a ghost she cant get together with willow, and thats a sad/horrible problem. I dunno, just me speculating. And Im assumin crash positions too though, boarding up for a hurricane, but hope that it wont hit! PLEASE JOSS! YOU SAY YOU LOVE TARA, DONT KILL HER!

[Dr.G]

WiccansIllusion,
post on what board? And I really do not think they did this to see how we would react. They would know. They know what Willow and Tara mean to us. That is what makes this all but impossible to believe. I cannot believe that Amber would laugh during her interview about the BSD, that Joss would be excited about the final eps. Not if this is how it will end.

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[The Godfather]

But if they all remember and some of the spoilers are true..how can certain characters not be dealt with in a more lethal manner?

-S.

[Eric tr]

After thinking this through even more, I firmly believe that no matter what happens this season, Tara WILL be back next season. I completely agree with what Warduke said about the spoilers being true. However, there's still episodes 21 and 22 after that nightmare occurs. And if all the other stuff about the other Scoobies having really nasty stuff happening to them is true, then I really do believe that everything will be reversed or nullified at the end of the season. That is too much horrible stuff to happen on a show. Something has to give.

With all of my babbling out of the way, I would like to found a new club. I will call it "The Refuse to Lose Tara Club". Everyone is welcome to join. It's purpose is for it's members to support each other and figure out this situation logically. Our club motto will be "Tara shall return".

Whatever happens, good or bad, I firmly believe Tara will be alive at the very end of this season and be around next season.

[Blue77]

Hi everyone again, it's mother's day(UK) but I can't keep myself from checking the Board. I just want to say that I haven't been here long, but this Board feels like home. The support and hope that has been offered here is amazing, and we just need to keep it up.

I don't think the Reset idea is lame, I think it could be good if it's executed well. I still stick with everything I said on my earlier post, but I have thought of another reason why I don't think it's Tara:

Aly said in Buffy mag/UK/March that she hates Willow being bad cause she's worried the fans will hate her. I know Joss respects and likes Aly a lot and I really think he would take her opinions/feelings into account.
Plus, I read somewhere(maybe on the UPN Buffy home page) that Joss wanted to return Willow to her geeky computer roots by the end of the season, probably because ultimately she can't be more powerful than Buffy, it's not Willow the Witch after all, is it? Well, if she goes bad with rage and kills Warren and it sticks, then how will that have been accomplished??? It won't, Willow will be back at square 1 with her magic addiction and that'll have to be carried to Season 7 and without Tara what motivated will she have to give up!!

Plus, I read that M Noxon wanted to write a make-up non-romantic, non-danger scene with Wil & Tara (Sorry, can't remember) and I know that other people ont his board have read/heard it too as I've seen it mentioned ... the only ep that Marti is writing towards the end of the season is 21!!

The spoiler may be totally false, but it's probably not considering AngelX's good rep, but it can still work out.
Tara dies in ep 19, Willow goes bad in ep 20 and Xander is endangered making Anya break the amulet/charm and she dies to let Tara/Xander live. Ep 21 will therefore be the ep where all the characters deal with what has happened - the romantic scene would fit here.

In regards to ep 22, I think we need to remember what Joss said about the finale of season 4 which was that the end of season 3 couldn't be topped and so he wasn't even going to attempt it, and that's why the Adam story did not go to the wire and we has Restless which was an excellent ep but not about the BIG BAD!!

I think it'll be the same with Season 6, Joss knows he can't top Buffy dying in The Gift, so things will be resolved before ep 22 and God knows what that'll be about, but if I had to speculate I would say it'd be about Buffy finally getting over the death thing and moving on with her life with Dawn - maybe it's when she sells the House, and this will set-up the digs for Season 7.

We can't give up, Tara dying and Wil being the Big Bad is too Predictable, I think this is definitely Joss's way of saying that he will not be governed by spoilers, he hates them and he has an ace up his sleeve ... but he's gonna keep a good poker face.

Finally, someone said earlier that Emma Caulfield was talking about Buffy almost retrospectively in a latest interview, and she said that the fans will be happy with the end of the season - isn't that exactly what you would say if you were the BSD? Because to say fans will be happy when the BSD is someone else is a major insult to that actor/actress cause it's basically saying they won't be missed ... face it, it's really only something you could say graciously about yourself ... and let's not forget that Amber laughed when asked - these reactions are really important I think. I'm hanging onto them anyway as long as I can, and sod it, I'm gonna continue to write my fanfic and create my own special Wil/Tara moments!!

Remaining yours
Blue but not Beaten

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"Infested roots? Trying to turn me on?" ~ Tara
"I have to try now!" ~ Wil

[jessan15]

I just read something that cracked me up...

According to The Spoiler Slayer, whom I know checks and rechecks his info constantly...anyway, he lists the BSD in Episode 19 which is confirmed to be written by none other than Steven(Kill Tara Over My Dead Body)Deknight.

I thought we had absolutely no clue about episode 19? And the BSD was in 20? When during all this happening is there time for Buffy to sell the house?

Just wanted to add a few more questions to the mix. At this point, I am going to go stick my head in the sand for the next 7 weeks.

My therapist says it'll be a nice change of pace for me.

If that doesn't work, can the Scullybus swing by?

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Love will find a way.

[tommo]

Oh dear lord. I've been through several of the stages of grief and I'm starting all over again. I'm rapidly going into major denial, and I'm creating lots of ways to resolve this horrid thing.

I think about what Joss has given Willow and Tara throughout the two and a half seasons so far. I think about how Tara has become a part of the Scooby Gang. I think about the way those two girls love one another and everything seems to make sense.

Halfrek, Anya, the geeks' time altering machine. Hell, I'll take anything to get her back. Anything.

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

[Sheila]

After sleeping on this, I still feel kinda numb. But, I can't help it, still pretty much in denialand. After reading the new posts, the theory of this really happening but being reverted after in some way, is growing on me. Hey, I don't want it to happen, but if it does, it better be taken back! At this point, I really don't care if it's going to be ST lameness all over. I just want Willow and Tara back together, alive, and happy. I also really don't care if Joss always said that life doesn't always have happy endings. Right. Whatever. It doesn't always have bad, painful endings too. This is a TV show, for crying out loud! It's fantasy, not reality TV! Why can't we have, at least, small crumbs of happines here and there???

*sigh*

Going back to a very rational side to analyze this... I don't think Amber would buy a new house after spending all her money on the making of "Chance" if she didn't have a *guarateed* job for next year.

*hugs to all kittens*

[SeanGaffney]

I will not write a ScullyBus filk based on the Vengaboys song...

I will not write a ScullyBus filk based on the Vengaboys song...

I will not write a ScullyBus filk based on the Vengaboys song...

Grr...

--SG

[Warduke]

jessan15...the BSD happens at the end of ep 19.

[Enigmatic]

You know, I've been working on my German-paper 9 hours now, and I have only written one page. I can't concentrate! I keep coming to the board, looking for some new spoilers, hoping that it's a big fat lie! I'm not looking forward to tomorrow, with school and all...Gosh I wish this was a nightmare!!

[jessan15]

That's right....just keep telling yourself that SeanG.

The feeling will be going away momentarily.

I think.

I hope...

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Love will find a way.

[The Godfather]

You have to ignore anything and everything that was ever written in an interview. It rarely is true and never means anything..

Their interviews are always misleading and contrary to what is actually on the show..

-Shawn

[The Rose]

Gees. I see things are not much better since yesterday. I was hoping to come here and find some good news, but alas, nothing. I am still really upset, and I am trying to keep it together. I just want to get through the W/T make up and then worry about the recent news later.

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Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.

Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

Tara: Nobody messes with my girl!