General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 8

[Epicurus]

OK fucking fuck.
I keep telling myself not to get all worked up and upset cause Tara's not real, BTVS is not real, W/T are not real. This is so fucking depressing. IF this happends I will be angry at the writers for one reason: They used her.

AnGelX if you are hanging about, a quick question.
How does Katrina fit into this episode?

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by morgan1707:
AngelX, by her own admission, has said she has been wrong before (I believe she duped by the Primeval spoilers in Season 4).

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Yes, that's correct.

The Friday before "Primeval" aired, a very detailed synopsis of the episode came out, claiming that Tara would be revealed as some kind of mystical super-hero connected to Buffy somehow, and Giles knew who she really was. Michelle said it was real. It turned out to be a fake, allegedly written by Joss Whedon himself.

Thinking this new information is some kind of Mutant Enemy hoax is not without precedent. And this is just about the time of year when something like that usually happens.

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[helpful]

Can I ask a question? This sounds redundant. I mean didn't Buffy die mystically at the end of Season 6 and Willow did bring her back with the Urn of Osiris. I mean isn't this the same plot storyline. Someone Willow loves dies mystically, she goes revengy on someone, then she looks up all her magic and spells and brings said person back. Although, this time the Urn of Osiris is destroyed.

Also, last season Tara was brain-sucked by Glory, and Willow went all revenge on Glory. Sounds like the well of BTVS is getting a bit dry, and their plots are being reused. We've seen this before with the same characters only in different episodes. Just my two cents worth.

[Wiccagrrl]

So, at the risk of sounding needy...would a group hug be out of the question? (Sniffle)

[Scarecrow]

I try and avoid spoilers but i heard about this and...

woh.

All i can sya is I believe in Joss and I feel ME will not let me, or any of us, down. If she dies in Ep20 keep watching. Death isn't the end.

They all die din The Wish and with Anya as a vengance demon the turn back time thing seem slikely; espesially considering whats happening to all the others. I mean can another seaosn of 22eps be made with the entire cats ahting ecah othe ror miserable? I doubt it.

Keep hope for a good ending, a happy ending. I for one think that anythign that puts us through the wringer like this can end in a reset. Not a cop out.. it showed us just how we would feel and, when its better again, we realise how lucky we are.

I hope to the goddess that something good come sout of this in the end.

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The Futures Bright. The Futures Joss.
"Liberate tutemet ex inferis"

"Me and Willow always know how to find each other"

"There is no good, Munroe, there is no evil. There is only flesh"

"There are some corners of the Universe that have bred the most terrible things, things that stand against everything we believe in. They must be fought"

[tommo]

Well apart from the fact that the Urn of Osiris used in Bargaining was the last known one. And it got broken. So there goes that idea.

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

[edo]

Just delurking to say this.

I`ve been watching since episode 1.
If this turns out to be true, then I won`t be watching anymore.

[xita]

*hugs her kitties tight, i mean it you guys are family and this hurts.

[The Partyman]

Well I am still shaking, and having finally replied a sad "yes" to all the e-mails in my mailbox asking me if I had "heard the sad news" I am logging off for a couple of hours to get some fresh air.

I am concerned that these events have not even aired yet and yet I am experincing a strong physical reaction, despite attempting to calm myself by repeating "its only a TV show, its only a TV show" to myself.

Before I dissapear, I would like to offer something. Not that it will change things, but in RL, they always seem to help:

*A BIG HUG TO ALL THE KITTENS*

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The Partyman

[Warduke]

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Originally posted by helpful:
Someone Willow loves dies mystically...

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But AnGelX posted that "Willow tries to revive her, but because Tara is not taken away by mystical powers." So even if she had another Urn of Osiris, doesn't matter.quote:

[concrete]

Level-headedness (is that even a word?) is my middle name and nothing or no-one has ever thrown me off guard in a big way but this.......The alleged/impending death of a fictional character has finally achieved this. All I can say now is GATVERDAMME ! This sucks to the power of 10.

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It's not so much that I'm always right, it's just that I'm never wrong.....
{pecunia non olet}GATVERDAMME !

[Ari]

Okay, so let me get this straight...

She gets killed right after they get back together (and how happy was I when I hadn't gotten past the first *@#&$(&!! page of this thread), so we get our very first actually kiss and love scene and then see her get killed sometime right afterwards, maybe even in their bedroom?

And Will goes bad in the wake of it and all that.

'Kay.

I have to agree with the person that says this sounds like every bad lesbian cliche rolled into one neat little package. So right after we get our first real genuine couply affection we get symbollically punished by then having both death and evilness.

There has to be some kind of catch to it. There just has to. Because, I mean - damn.

Anyone else hoping that Wanda has a real source right now? Because this does not fit in with what she's been saying and that leaves some tattered shred of hope for something to reverse everything at the end of the season. If we're talking cliches, I'll take that one ANY DAY.

After this and Xena, my partner is never going to watch a TV show with me ever again.

Ari

[Epicurus]

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Originally posted by Scarecrow:

All i can sya is I believe in Joss and I feel ME will not let me, or any of us, down. If she dies in Ep20 keep watching. Death isn't the end.

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That is the exact thing that is pissing me off! Living in hope is worse than getting closure. Fuck Mutant Enemy for making me live with hope.

I feel like someone is constanly slapping me in the face and saying "don't worry it'll go numb in a while and you won't feel a thing"

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[Swa]

Well, it most certainly sucks to finally hear it, but alas, not shocking for me. The BSD has been reported since the beginning of the season and many thought it would be either Tara or Anya based on whatever reason. So, as much as I'd like it to be a shock, it's not.

However, it does manage to make sense to me because it still fits perfectly with how the show works and how it's always worked. The show has been and will always be about Buffy and to a lesser degree the "Core Scoobs." Every other character and ever other thing that takes place is merely a plot device used to guide the main character's journey along. So, no matter how much I love Tara and see her as the only bright spot in this otherwise dark and dank season (she's by far the most mature of the Scoobs and the only person on the show managing to live responsibly; secure in who she is and the choices she's made), I still am able to objectively see her character for what she is: A plot device for Willow's journey...which is in turn a plot device for Buffy's journey. It's the way it's always been and will be for as long as the show is on, and frankly it's what makes a show work.

I've enjoyed Amber Benson's work and the exposure that BTVS allowed her. If not for BTVS, I never would have met her and shared a fun moment while in line at a con...not to mention meeting other incredible people who are also Tara fans.
She will be sorely missed, but I'm sure with the talent she posses, this won't be the last time we hear of Amber.

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---Swa

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[amberslave]

Just de-lurking to say thanks to all the kitties for making such awful news just that tad more bearable. I feel stupid for crying over news that might/might not be real but knowing I am not alone brings a smile to my face during this sad occasion. I only hope the news is bogus; that ME are playing an evil trick in order to flush out leaks..... otherwise, BtVS has lost itself a viewer, one that has raved about it from day one to friends that think I am mad!

Big hugs go out to everyone.

[Kendahl897]

Wanda did say that whoever died would sacrifice herself to save a loved one. This doesn't really jibe with Tara getting shot in the bedroom she and Willow share....I'm just so pissed. I thought Joss hated the "dead lesbian cliche"...Where are the spoilers for episodes 21 and 22 when you need them?

[anon]

Part of me has seen this coming. ME has increased Tara's role among the Scoobies. This could be to magnify the pain of her death. Now it is not just Willow who loses her lover but Buffy loses here confidaunt, Dawn loses yet another stable parental figure, Anya loses her friend, Xander... well, I'm still annoyed at him. So this death will really rock them all. But because of all that, I have been hoping that was all just too obvious to kill her off. Itis such a copout!

(Off topic rant on story line:
What annoys me is that this season is supposed to be : "Oh Grow Up"... well, death is a reality but part of growing up is realizing what hurts you and giving it up (ie magic for willow). Not going psycho and killing someone. If that is what Willow does, then to be true to the theme, she would have to go to jail because in the real world, that is what happens to people, even if the murder is an act of revenge.)

Hints outside of the story line that make this seem true:
What makes me feel it might be real is that Mabbyjen has not been on the board for months. Hell, if I knew this was what was going on, I would avoid the board also. Also, if I was a big producer type and I had an actor who I liked and was going to kill her off, I would give her as many chances to be in the public spotlight so that her career would be helped. And Amber has been getting those oportunities this past year.

What scares me is how we all reacted to the brain-sucking episode for Tara. We had heads up on that and went through the same rationalization. The same denial that we are doing here. Consider me to be prepared to live in denial but damn, I think this is real.

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[tommo]

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Originally posted by Swa:
So, no matter how much I love Tara and see her as the only bright spot in this otherwise dark and dank season (she's by far the most mature of the Scoobs and the only person on the show managing to live responsibly; secure in who she is and the choices she's made), I still am able to objectively see her character for what she is: A plot device for Willow's journey...which is in turn a plot device for Buffy's journey.

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You're Joss, aren't you? C'mon...own up now...

Tara is dispensible because she's only there to further Willow, who in turn is only there to further Buffy.

So this is a show about one person then?

Ooooookay. Thanks.

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[Lijdrec]

Jeez, just finished making dinner for my ailing mother and now I log on to find this. Sure did ruin a fairly good meal and my Saturday. Only thing possibly worse would be if Indiana loses to Iowa this afternoon. I'm headed to church and say a prayer (among several others) that this is not a truth.

So I'll treasure every moment of Amber there is left on BtVS, tonight for me it's HB. Yeah, it could make fairly good sense to some writers, but I had my own ideas where Tara's story-line could have gone. Let's revive her in our FanFic....or the AR....

[Wiccagrrl]

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Okay, so let me get this straight...
She gets killed right after they get back together (and how happy was I when I hadn't gotten past the first *@#&$(&!! page of this thread), so we get our very first actually kiss and love scene and then see her get killed sometime right afterwards, maybe even in their bedroom?

And Will goes bad in the wake of it and all that.

'Kay.

I have to agree with the person that says this sounds like every bad lesbian cliche rolled into one neat little package. So right after we get our first real genuine couply affection we get symbollically punished by then having both death and evilness.

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There really better be a catch, something that subverts this otherwise oh-so-obvious cliche. Cause, like you said, if not...Damn!

Anyway, gotta go to work soon. Huggz to all the kitties and I'm sure I'll be checking in a lot this weekend. I really love you guys.

I feel really bad for the spoiler-free folks. Wonder if they are looking that the post count on this thread skyrocket and assuming crash positions anyway. quote:

[Junkyard Dog]

Well, unless I'm very much mistaken, "Villains" was brought up as a possible episode title a while back, and was eventually proven to be false. Make of that what you will.

That said, I hope the latest spoilers are indeed just disinformation from ME. They've already spent the entrie 6th season trashing all the characters, from the Big Three of Buffy, Willow, and Xander all the way down to beloved second-stringers like Amy and Jonathan. This has been depressing enough all by itself, and the only reason to continue watching the damn show is the hope that things will improve for these previously quite likable & sympathetic people. If that isn't going to happen, why continue watching? Enough is enough.

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by Swa:
I still am able to objectively see her character for what she is: A plot device for Willow's journey...which is in turn a plot device for Buffy's journey. It's the way it's always been and will be for as long as the show is on, and frankly it's what makes a show work.

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I was going to ignore this at first, but since Ruth said something I will as well.

Tara's "plot device" nature is exactly why I say this storyline is wrong. Okay, so Tara's a plot device - for what? Is she there to teach Buffy that being good and moral and balanced only gets you killed? It's like saying she's there so Buffy can learn to throw away the rules. "Hey! Look what happens when you try to be a good person - you get killed anyway! So why not do whatever the hell you feel like?" That seems to be the lesson it tells Willow. Is that really the kind of message you'd expect Joss Whedon to be sending?

Oh, and one more thing:

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Originally posted by anon:
What makes me feel it might be real is that Mabbyjen has not been on the board for months. Hell, if I knew this was what was going on, I would avoid the board also.

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Mabbyjen moved away and no longer has as much contact with Amber. That's probably why we haven't seen her.

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
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[Epicurus]

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Originally posted by Swa:
Well, it most certainly sucks to finally hear it, but alas, not shocking for me. The BSD has been reported since the beginning of the season and many thought it would be either Tara or Anya based on whatever reason. So, as much as I'd like it to be a shock, it's not.

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Well I've heard it 1,000,000 times before and it's still a complete shock for me.

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However, it does manage to make sense to me because it still fits perfectly with how the show works and how it's always worked. The show has been and will always be about Buffy and to a lesser degree the "Core Scoobs."

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Sorry if I sound bitter here but that's a fucking sad way to run a television show. We should never again invest ourselves in a non Core-Scoobie cause they're gonna end up six feet under. Of course as the show displays, only the good hearted and endearing characters will die cause that's good television.quote:quote:

[supermus]

Here is the latest from the TBCS Spoiler Page & The Divine Ms. AngelX:

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Entropy

* Ep: 18.

* NEW! Having accepted the offer to become a vengeance demon again, Anya attempts to curse Xander for the pain he caused her...but she can't do it herself. Instead, she secretly enlists the help of someone else and it doesn't go how she expected.

* NEW! The Trio have been following the Scoobies everywhere they go with hidden cameras. When one camera is discovered and the rest are traced, what some characters see on video proves to be devastating.

* NEW! Buffy tries to spend quality time with Dawn to make up for her violent actions in "Normal Again" (if you consider trying to kill all her friends violent), but Dawn's idea of time well spent is the dangerous world of patrolling.

* NEW! Buffy confesses to Dawn about her relationship with Spike and after an odd turn of events, Xander and Anya find out as well.

* NEW! Dawn's stealing is readdressed.

* NEW! After some sweet time spent together after class and a during coffee date, Willow and Tara do get back together and make with the major smoochies.

* NEW! The Trio steal a disk needed for one of their upcoming big evil plans.

Seeing Red

* Ep: 19.

* I don't have a ton of information on this episode, but I have a tiny bit...

* NEW! The Trio do something that leads to Jonathan and Andrew getting arrested (I'm assuming that they try to steal a lot of money, but I can't confirm how it happens). Warren on the other hand avoids being caught and instead begins his solo career. If you doubted he was evil before...you won't by the end of this episode.

Villains

* Ep: 20.

* NEW! One sweeps episode... lots of drama. The lives of two Scoobies are gravely endangered and the big bad is unveiled.

* NEW! The return of three familiar faces: Rack, Clem, and Katrina, but no Giles.

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[minion]

Thanks Michelle, I'm sure giving us this news must have been hard for you, but for-armed is for-warned as they say, thank you.

It's amazing how quickly things change, I leapt with joy when I read of their reconciliation then a few short hours later, I feel utterly crushed. But, as I've said before, I have faith in Joss, admittedly at the moment I'm struggling to muster much, but I do still have faith and having watched this show from day one, I know that things in the Buffyverse are rarely what they seem.

As others have said, this storyline seems to be totally against everything that the show has stood for, killing Tara, having Willow go evil, why? for dramatic impact, yeah, it would be dramatic, but what would it serve, the scoobies have always been noble, protecting the innocent against evil, yes they've strayed occasionally, but they have always remained true to that ideal, why would they make Willow evil now?? It makes no sense to me, none at all, apart from the fact that it panders to the homophobic precedent that gay characters always die.

Personally I believe that if it happens, it won't be permanent, just as Tara's brainsucking wasn't, whether it's an alternative reality thing or as Bob so cleverly offered, Anya can remove it somehow, I don't know, but ultimately whether this turns out to be a real spoiler or something perpertrated by ME, I don't believe it's the end, especially given what Amber herself and the ME team have said about Tara and her relationship with Willow.

I'm gonna wait and see what happens, it will be hard and stressful, but I still have faith, just.

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I am in thunderous agreement, oh glittering, glistening Glorificus! : Jinx in Tough Love

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[Morphine]

Crossing over from The Cross and Stake to share a tear with you Kittens...

And to say I truly admire the way you took the news. Strong like Amazons, you are.

You have my complete support and sympathy...

Gosh, this is just so sad... and wrong... and sad...

[Swa]

Not gonna debate anything in the spoiler thread or on the board...just stating an opinion about the nature of the show and why this particular move makes sense to me.
If you want to debate things on this matter or have something to say, you can e-mail me privately as to not miff the mods: Spankadoodledoo@aol.com.

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[tommo]

Ah yes, Katrina is returning. Right. Along with the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and Tara.

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

[morgan1707]

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Originally posted by Epicurus:

Sorry if I sound bitter here but that's a fucking sad way to run a television show. We should never again invest ourselves in a non Core-Scoobie cause they're gonna end up six feet under. Of course as the show displays, only the good hearted and endearing characters will die cause that's good television.

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I couldn't agree more. The "core Scoobies" are Willow, Buffy, Xander, and Giles, and I for one think that list SHOULD include Anya, Tara, Dawn, and even Spike. They are just as much part of the show as the other four, in fact, some of those characters have had more of a prominent role this Season than certain other characters. (*cough*Xander and Giles *couch*)

For me, with the exception of Willow, my favourite characters aren't "The Core Scoobies". quote:

[supermus]

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Originally posted by tommo:
Ah yes, Katrina is returning. Right. Along with the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and Tara.

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According to those spoilers, Warren has already ditched Jonathan and Andrew, so maybe he made a Katrina-bot as a new partner in crime. Also, this is AngelX we're talking about. Sarcasm is not necesarry

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