Buffy & Faith - never?

[Righteous Babe]

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Originally posted by tommo:
You know, I knew once I posted that, that I would offend somebody.

I'm sorry. I will subsequently keep my tits to myself.

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Don't be sorry, that's your view...I understand.

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[Dazey]

There's been an attempt in recent years to differentiate the terms "gender" and "sex", which otherwise are pretty much synonymous: using "gender" to refer to one's subjective experience of oneself as female or male (or both, or neither) and "sex" to refer to objective biological reality (to the extent to which it can be determined, and it is indeterminate far more often than you'd think). The attempt has mostly been made within academic discourse on the subject and may never make it to popular usage, but...anyway if you're concerned about possible misreading of intent you can always try it.

[Righteous Babe]

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Originally posted by Dazey:
There's been an attempt in recent years to differentiate the terms "gender" and "sex", which otherwise are pretty much synonymous: using "gender" to refer to one's subjective experience of oneself as female or male (or both, or neither) and "sex" to refer to objective biological reality (to the extent to which it can be determined, and it is indeterminate far more often than you'd think). The attempt has mostly been made within academic discourse on the subject and may never make it to popular usage, but...anyway if you're concerned about possible misreading of intent you can always try it.

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Yes exactly Dazey, gender is based on how a persons identify while sex is basically the gentials of a person. I know my gender is female but I know my sex is still male sadly.

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[tommo]

The point I was making was obviously crass and badly expressed. It was clear to me whilst watching the movie that Raven was of indeterminate gender, I'm assuming to indicate that Eliza's character was with someone who appeared to be a man. The scene where Eliza's character ripped Raven's shirt off revealed that this non-gender specific character was, in fact, more feminine than I at first suspected.

I hope that doesn't offend anyone.

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No metaphors...just fucking.

[Dazey]

Well hey, the important thing to remember is that, while gender cannot be changed...sex can!

Ah, the wonders of modern medicine.

[Righteous Babe]

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Originally posted by tommo:
The point I was making was obviously crass and badly expressed. It was clear to me whilst watching the movie that Raven was of indeterminate gender, I'm assuming to indicate that Eliza's character was with someone who appeared to be a man. The scene where Eliza's character ripped Raven's shirt off revealed that this non-gender specific character was, in fact, more feminine than I at first suspected.

I hope that doesn't offend anyone.

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I wasn't offended Tommo and I hope I wasn't very rude hon. I guess I'm sensitive right now and I just thought I say Raven seem to be no determined gender.

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Originally posted by Dazey:
Well hey, the important thing to remember is that, while gender cannot be changed...sex can!
Ah, the wonders of modern medicine.

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Yes modern medicine is excellent, just wish it wasn't so costly. Oh well....someday my sex will be changed.

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[tommo]

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Originally posted by Righteous Babe:
I wasn't offended Tommo and I hope I wasn't very rude hon. I guess I'm sensitive right now and I just thought I say Raven seem to be no determined gender.

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No you weren't rude at all, love. You're right, Raven did seem to be no determined gender. Although honestly, I think it was the filmmaker's attempt to titillate the audience. In a movie that was just one horrible cliche after another, it didn't work for me. I'd pretty much figured out what was going to happen. But hey, Eliza...touching...boobies...never a bad thing.

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[Righteous Babe]

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Originally posted by tommo:
No you weren't rude at all, love. You're right, Raven did seem to be no determined gender. Although honestly, I think it was the filmmaker's attempt to titillate the audience. In a movie that was just one horrible cliche after another, it didn't work for me. I'd pretty much figured out what was going to happen. But hey, Eliza...touching...boobies...never a bad thing.

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I have to say it was a cliche to have some goth person who was neutrel gender, I knew that was coming.

Oh I know the filmmaker had no intend on having a non-gender character for any real good purpose. quote:

[shellybean]

Yes, Buffy is definitely strait. I'm sure many many people out there have wonderful dreams about Buffy and Faith getting together, unfortunately its only going to be in our dreams. Well, thats what fanfic is for! I totally think that Faith has a bisexual vibe going on and that in my own little world a relationship between her and Buffy is very possible.

[Sarah-B]

I know shellybean, although sometimes our own fantasy worlds can become reality too

Because wasn't Joss supposed to have seen some B/F fanfic sites on the net, way back whenever?
I was talking to Piper of wickeddivine, and we were wondering if maybe this was what actually gave the show's creators the incentive to have Willow and Tara get together later on.

If that were true, then we might not even have 'Willow & Tara' if it weren't for the popularity of the Buffy/Faith pairing

Sarah-B.

[dreiser]

buffy's straight... but only when faith isn't around. and soul survivors is pretty much only watchable (to me at least) because of eliza and her cleavage.

nic

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metaphor sex, the fic killer

[Sarah-B]

ROFL
uh-huh

[Genea]

My wife and I both agree that the thought of F/B together would be smokin' alas no such luck. I think Faith is beyond being a lesbian,straight or even bi. She just exudes sex and boy, oh boy would i like to get a piece of Eliza. Uhh, Hmm Yeah, baby.

My wife is making me re-post that while I would like to get some of Eliza, I never would because I am happily married and I that I love my wife.Yes, Sugar I do.

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Sugarloaf
"..I just want something thats ya know,mine."
"I am you,you know."
"What."
"Yours."

*edited to say that instead of double posting, just edit your first post and add anything new to that one.

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[Thanatopsis]

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Originally posted by Genea:
I think Faith is beyond being a lesbian,straight or even bi. She just exudes sex.

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That's what it is I think that started the whole B/F thing. She just has the pressence that screams randy sex kitten. Okay maybe not, but you get my point.

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"Arborday."
-Fear Itselfquote:

[SiWangMu]

Poodle! Sex poodle! Heeheehee. And I agree. As someone put it "she's...maybe just sexual"

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"Tara: I do not know in other things concerning everyone, but, the chicken is loved."

[La]

Thanks for the pics, Sarah-B.

Good god! Why didn't they keep that in the original cut? To get an R-rating? From reviews I've heard of the movie, it probably wouldn't have hurt the movie any to keep that in there.

~La

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Willer: Whut in tarnation?
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[Chance]

Well, I did have a religious experience when I saw that movie... but that was all Eliza's fault. Makes a believer out of me everytime I see the woman.

They didn't leave it in because they wanted a PG-13 movie. So I've heard.

M.

[Glory-p3-mrs]

so...web address for the b/f board?... please??

[bubbles23]

Does the "buffy's straight" bother anyone else? Grr. So what. There was something between Faith and Buffy, whether it was a slayer only club, you saw it, I saw it, it was there, even if we've only ever seen buffy with boys. I just don't see how that (buff with the boys) discounts the subtext between Faith and Buffy. I mean before Tara there was Oz so, to me the whole buffy's straight thingy is poo. p-o-o poo!

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you walk through my walls like a a ghost on tv you penetrate me
and my little pink heart is on its little brown raft floating out to see
what can i say but i'm wired this way and you're wired to me
and what can i do but wallow in you unintentionally
what kind of paradise am i looking for
i've got everything i want still i want more

[The Next Tara Maclay]

I agree with Bubbles.

[Morphine]

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Originally posted by The Next Tara Maclay:
I agree with Bubbles.

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Flame me to death for saying that (I did read FAQ rule #19!), but I think sexual orientation, especially at Willow's age when she was with Oz, can be easily shifted. She was straight when she was with Oz. Then she found out she was a breast gal, and became a lesbian, and I believe she'll stay that way, because she's truly found herself in that path. You're not born with a tag that says gay, straight, bi, or that defines your sex. You're born with a gender. You grow to find your sex, and your sexual orientation.

For the moment, Buffy is a straight young woman. She hasn't expressed any interest towards women, which is a pity cause Faith and her would have glued me to my steaming screen for months... but I think it's safe to assume it's not gonna happen.

A little OT, to Righteous Babe... Although I'm all female, loving females and breathing nothing but X chromosones, I can understand how sensitive an issue it can be. In our association for gay/lesbian/trans in college, we have 2 girls who are going through the same thing as you are, and the level of intolerance (even from some members of the association) they get goes beyond human behaviour, animals wouldn't even act that way. Feel free to drop me a line if you wanna talk about it, rant, vent, or if just if you wanna chat.

Aoliaak@hotmail.com.

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[Web Warlock]

The only place we will get a B/F story is fan fic and that is ok. But my problem is I have yet to read a good or convincing bit of B/F fan fic!

Most go like this,

Buffy: Your evil!
Faith: You want me.
Buffy: Your right! Let's do it.

Not that I have a problem with that, it's just I like a little plot sometime.

Another thing that gripes me. I might get flamed off of the board for even bringing it up.
Why is it is the same said stories Faith is Tara's ex? Sorry, that make zero sense to me.

So where are the good B/F (with W/T guest stars!) fics?

Rant mode off.

Warlock

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Originally posted by Web Warlock:

So where are the good B/F (with W/T guest stars!) fics?

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Actually, I've just finished reading a pretty good one I'd like to recommend. Go to extraflamey.com it's under the author "Allaine". It's a whole series starting off with "Emerald Devils, Silver Queen". It's pretty long and involved and there are crossovers and stuff (which I usually hate) but overall I found it really enjoyable. Faith doesn't come in until later but when she does, the things that she does are really sweet and totally believable.

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Anya: Sensible! You think it's sensible for me to go down into that pit of cotton-top hell, and let them hippity-hop all over my vulnerable flesh?
Giles: Fine, then just stay up there and keep making bunnies! That's a capital plan!
Anya: What capital? I never know what you're talking about. Loo, shag, brolly, what the hell is all that?
Giles: What? There's no way that you could remember me saying any of those words.
Anya: Oh, bugger off, you brolly.

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[girlwiththebraids]

i guess i've always thought of faith as omnisexual...kind of a boink anything that moves kinda girl...and while she wanted buffy, i think that was more of a sex as power, lure of the unattainable kind of thing...sort of in the same way that she wanted angel...but deeper...i think in faith's twisted world she would have liked to be with both of them at once...

braids

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"Is she your sister?"
"She's my everything..."

"Would that mean we have to snuggle?"

"There's nothing we can't face...except for bunnies."

"Oh! Oh, it's not a, a gay thing, you know, I mean, well...she's gay, but, but we don't ... gay. Not that there's anything..."

[eekiboo]

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Originally posted by La:
Thanks for the pics, Sarah-B.

Good god! Why didn't they keep that in the original cut? To get an R-rating? From reviews I've heard of the movie, it probably wouldn't have hurt the movie any to keep that in there.

~La

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oh la la on the pics, Sarah-B.. thanks so much! tomorrow i'll be looking for Soul Survivors in my fave video store and wish it'll be the director's cut. we'll see (nice hands on nice breasts, if i ever find it) go Eliza and hands! heh.heh. oh, on topic... Buffy is straight. i don't think ME will consider making her gay coz Willow and Tara are already are. just leave it to the fic writers for a B/F romance. of course it'd be fun to see Buffy, the Gay Vampire Slayer heh.heh. only in my dreams peace

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[indiepop]

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Originally posted by Web Warlock:

So where are the good B/F (with W/T guest stars!) fics?

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warlock- may i suggest to you some very good b/f stories that are extremely plot driven (as well as cute and romantic which i have to assume you like as you're a w/t shipper)

COMPLEMENT by michele
JACK DANIELS EFFECT (series) by anne
ITS A START (series) by shamrock
LETTING LOVE IN and
SECOND CHANCE by sara myers

and also, one that's not so plot driven, but is bar none my favorite b/f fic ever:
TONIGHT by finding faith

all can be found (with a lot of others) at wicked and divine: http://bite.to/wickeddivine

sorry i couldn't link them directly but i totally suck at html. it's listed by author though so there shouldn't be trouble.

hope these fics changes anyone's mind who does not feel the b/f love.

indiepop

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[Genea]

As cool as it would be Buffy and Faith ain't gonna happen. Its sad but true.

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Sugarloaf
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