Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

[Genea]

I just saw the episode and even though I've never been into the whole Anya/Xander thing I was definately felt sorry for Anya and Xander. I wonder what she's going to do? On a happier note Willow and Tara were just adorable.Those little giggles and glances were great.I did the happy dance,my wife thinks I'm crazy. I hope they get back together,I cant take this much longer. *crossing my fingers i miss them*

[Zahir]

Okay, Tara and Willow are still terribly, awesomely and wonderfully in love. We can see that. They see it. And with time, they will be back together.

Alas, we all have to go through all sorts of terrible mistakes. Now here's one for Xander--believing a light show (hasn't he seen the holodecks on Star Trek?) (which did, however, prey on every single insecurity the poor guy has--ick and double ick). Believe me, lucky beyond words is he (or she) who doesn't look back on some choice they made and cringe...

Ask Willow. Or Tara.

But I believe Xander and Anya will find each other again. I believe.

Just as I believe Spike and Buffy will find whatever-they're-gonna-be-to-each-other (my guess? Comrades)

And I really want Dawn to start dating the demon teenager. But maybe that's just me.

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"O let my name be in the Book of Love.
If it be there, I care not of
That other book Above...
Strike it out! Or write it in anew.
But let it be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kyam

[Eyes Without A Face]

That demonic teenager gave me the absolute creeps. Talk about looking bad and having a nasty, surly attitude. Yuck to the tenth power! I'll be quite happy to never see the likes of him again. On the opposite, Clem has a bad skin condition but is so friendly and nice, maybe because he's grown up past the 'trouble years'.

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[xita]

There was boob touchage! BOOB!

[Blixxt]

I agree, Clem kicks total ass. When he raised his hand after Buffy asked if anyone was out of town I busted up laughing. His visible disgust with Xander's family also earns him points in my book.

In any case, I was correct with my theory: The Harris clan was far my heinous than the Demons in attendance. Nice touch.

Now I have to go be weepy because that was an incredibly sad, but well written episode. Crying now!

[Warduke]

Anya was so sad, it was hard to watch her like...oh who cares, there was boob touchage!!!

[Dr.G]

I have only seen a cap with Willowhand -eh- hovering over said part of Tara's anatomy. More caps please. Must have proof.

[Blixxt]

Wait, boob touchage? I missed that! Time to rewind the tape!

Edited to add - Oh baby...

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[Wiccagrrl]

Ok, wow. What an amazing ep. And so, so sad. The acting was amazing, W/T were the highlight. Even some B/S interaction that I could actually enjoy. But poor Anya. She looked so crushed. And I think I'm reacting kind of like Willow did- I feel like I should be hating Xander, but I don't. I think, in his own way, he's as crushed as she is. Yeah, he should have dealt with his fears far before this, but that scene in the hotel room, and his "It wasn't you I was hating...". He so desperately wants to not become like his father. I actually feel kinda sorry for the schmuck.

Anya's final look sent chills down my spine. I could be reading it wrong, but when D'Hoffryn offered her the job back, it was almost like the spark came back, like she was ready to jump at the possibility. And I'm worried she will go back to the vengeance gig, at least temporarilly. I dunno, I kind of expected to see her confused or conflicted. That wasn't how it read though.

[silverangel]

*Sigh* Make that, happy sigh for Will and Tara. The love was soo obvious and I think it's only a matter of time. But very sad sigh for Xander and Anya. They just broke my heart. So did, surprisingly, Buffy and Spike. *Sigh* OOh, one last note, I thought Emma really shined in this episode.

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[Errol]

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Originally posted by taras_willow:
I need HELP! Please, guys, I am Buffy deprived as I live in AUSTRALIA!! Does ANYONE know where I can find a script to Hells Bells

PLEASE!!

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You might try Psyche's website at : http://www.studiesinwords.de/
But the script for Hell’s Bells has not been posted yet. So try this address again sometime later this week or next week.

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[Errol]

All I have to say is that this episode was really sad. I feel the worse for Anya. Everyone was written like real friends that care about each other. Willow and Tara were a joy to watch and so cute. I also thought that Dawn was cute tonight especially with that demon guy. And Buffy was much more cheery. It was a good episode. It was very sad but good.

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"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." - Theodore Roosevelt

[Ari]

I had another thought about Anya. I've always kind of figured that given the chance she'd certainly lean toward becoming Anyanka again. And who knows, she might give it a try.

But you know, I don't think she would actually be able to do it anymore. There are two reasons and both were brought out in the open in HB. The first is for the first time she gets love. And the second is that she actually, and other than Xander I believe this is also a first, has a bit of compassion and regret about someone who had been her victim in the past.

Part of the demon gig is being so narrow minded that you grant the wish of a person who has been wronged with no thought to the victims of the wish or other sides to the situation. I actually don't think Anya is capable of that kind of tunnel vision anymore. She might try to do it, but I just don't think she has the heart for it anymore. No matter how much she might be hurting.

Oh, and did anyone else get a strange thrill out of hearing Tara say the words "sex poodle"?

Ari

[april]

xita, amidst all the sadness of anya getting left at the altar, god bless you for lifting our spirits and focusing on the one thing that truly matters: BOOBS.

i somehow didn't notice that pivotal moment in my original viewing of the ep. many thanks to you for pointing it out, so that i could rewind and watch it over and over and over...

i was so sad for anya (and xander), but i feel much better now. the adoring smiles, the glances full of love, the hair brushing and hand holding and boob touching... yes folks, w/t are on their way back!

my only complaint is that the w/t scenes were so SHORT! we'd better get some serious w/t screentime soon - we've been waiting for it for months!

there were tons of other things i liked about this ep, but i'm brain dead right now, so i'll have to post them in the morning. night everyone!

[Blixxt]

The W/T scenes were short, but this was one of the few times I actually didn't mind. This was Xander and Anya's day, after all, and it was great having an episode devoted to them after all this time.

Back to the boobage.

Edited to add - I'm having a hard time getting my VCR to pause at the exact *ahem* moment. Screencaps, anyone?

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[tommo]

Oh dear lord...BOOBAGE!

That's made my week.

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[Italiangirl]

Wow. What a lot of interesting things going on in this episode. I do want to go in depth about them, I have some thoughts about the lines being drawn between B/S, X/A, and W/T. I'll get to that in another post. Right now, I have abbreviated thoughts:

Tara and Willow...that WAS the first touch since Tabula Rasa, and wow! I was watching their hands the whole time, and it almost reminded me of Hush, how neither of them seemed to want to let go, so they kept holding hands, and kept holding hands. *yay*

I also LOVED how, especially in the beginning and in the end, we saw the gang hanging out like they used to. Lots of good B/W, B/X, and X/W interactions. I missed their warm fuzzies. I was also pleased to see Buffy, Willow and Dawn wanting to offer comfort to Anya after the jilting. I'm glad the writers seem to be telling us that even if Anya is no longer a scooby girlfriend, she had the love and support of the gang. (and for the record, IMO even if Anya tries to be a vengeance demon again, I think she will find her heart just isn't in it, and find her way back to being human and back to Xander). (And don't tell me if I'm right or not, please...as of last week I have decided to go spoiler free for the rest of the season!)Going along with my Anya thoughts, kudus to Emma and her acting tonight! She was MAAHHHVELOUS, going through such a wide range of human emotion so believably. She plays Anya with such an innocence...I am enamored with her!

Buffy and Spike. *Sigh* I hope they can remain the kind of friends they were to each other tonight. CLEARLY they both have genuine care for the other, despite whatever feelings of jealousy and hurt they may be harboring right now. Spike reminded me of himself in season 5, and I missed that.

Finally, am I just an annoying bigot or is anyone else raising a wary eyebrow at all of the warm and fuzzy demons that just happen to be cropping up everywhere? I mean, hello, DEMON???? That title used to *mean something*, geez! Yes, yes, I know that in Buffyverse there is never black and white, it is all gray...I am not in the Riley camp of NMR. It is just that lately these demons seem so nice, and friendly, and harmless. I know they provide a dramatic foil for Xander's bastard family members, but I'm finding it hard to believe that Sunnydale is suddenly overflowing with snuggly-bunny demons. Have they been there all along and we just didn't know? Hmmmmm.

Just some surface thoughts. More to come. Also, am I the only one that got a little shiver when Willow told Xander it was a good thing she figured out that she was gay?!?!!

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"You're in my blood like Holy Wine
You taste so bitter, and so sweet
Darling, I could drink a case of you
And still be on my feet;
I would still be on my feet."
-Joni Mitchell

[SciFiAcid]

BOOB

BOOB

What a great ep... did I mention Boob touchage?!

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"Your tits are the key to your cage." ~ Edina Monsoon

[Blixxt]

Well, in Episode 12 there was the Doublemeat Demon, in Episode 13 there were those time-distorting demons, in Episode 14 there was that evil sword demon, and in Episode 15 there were the mass-death breeding demons. So we've had heinous demons as well over the last few episodes. I am actually glad they then had nice demons at the wedding, as they made a great foil for the Harris clan.

[TyRex316]

Yes- Willow copped a feel.
Houston, we have BOOBAGE!!!

[willow420]

BOOB TOUCHAGE

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A.K.A. Liz

"Did you try looking in the sofa in hell?" Willow in Dopplegangland.
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"Yeah. You learn her source, and, uh, we'll introduce her to her insect reflection.
Um ... that, that was funny if you, um, studied Taglarin mythic rites...and are a complete dork."

Tara in FamilyBOOB TOUCHAGE

[tommo]

No Adrienne, I don't think you mentioned BOOB touching enough.

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[VampNo1]

I have a question did the episode ever point out who was Anya's Maid of Honor. Because to me it seemed like it was Tara. She was the one helping her with her vows staying with her in the bridal room. I thought maybe Halfrek was the Maid of Honor, but she wasn't really doing much and was sitting with the guests waiting for the wedding. This is something that just seems to bug me about the episode.

[Willowlicious]

Heh. I claimed I was too tired to post anymore tonight, but then Xita mentioned boobs and I was suddenly revived! Yes, I also noticed the (almost?) boob touchage! When Willow brushes the hair from Tara's face, she trails her hand down Tara's hair and her fingers are left momentarily hovering over (barely touching?) Tara's right breast. I noticed! Boy did I ever notice! I also noticed how Tara was lightly, uh, fingering the center of Willow's palms. Sensual. Yum. I love how Tara's hands got right down to business the second they touched Willow again. It's like they have a mind of their own.

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[Bobo's Mom]

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Originally posted by Ari:

During the cute scene where they were dressing Anya, the look on Tara's face when she was talking about being able to trust him with her heart just about broke my heart, though. There was still a lot of hurt and uncertainty in that look. Amber can cram a lot of emotions in a look, that's for sure. And Willow was so cute and hopeful.

Ari

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Nail on the head at why I think Amber Benson is one hell of an actress! Seeing friends get married can make one mistful, especially if conflicted. That small moment spoke volumes to me about how much Tara loves Willow, and how hard this whole process has been for the character.

What I also loved was how she pulled herself out of that dark moment, and started to play with Willow again as they continued with the dress. Also very real and true to life.

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TARA: Willow and I always know how to find each other!
ANYA: With yoga?
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[Wiccagrrl]

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Originally posted by VampNo1:
I have a question did the episode ever point out who was Anya's Maid of Honor. Because to me it seemed like it was Tara. She was the one helping her with her vows staying with her in the bridal room. I thought maybe Halfrek was the Maid of Honor, but she wasn't really doing much and was sitting with the guests waiting for the wedding. This is something that just seems to bug me about the episode.

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I don't think they ever said for sure, but it sure seemed like it was Tara. She was wearing a dress that matched The Best Man's (Willow's) She was helping Anya get dressed and practice her vows. I'd be willing to bet she was the MOH. I wonder if the shooting script will clarify this. I also am dying to see the descriptions of the W/T scenes. Should be fun.

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[Sela]

I too got the impression that Tara was Anya's maid of honor. The fact that she was in the bridal room the whole time was a big indicator. And I knew that Buffy wasn't because she only referred to herself as a bridesmaid. Also, she and Willow were wearing the same dress. I figured those were the official best man and maid of honor dresses.

--Sela

[tommo]

Well the point was made to me today by Deb (praised be her name, lol) that it's usual for the Best Man and the Maid of Honor to dance together at the wedding. Considering there wasn't a wedding, I wonder if we'll ever see that dance? Sigh.

Okay, back to the flagrant boobage.

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[Eyes Without A Face]

I must be getting old. I was looking at the hair touching and did not notice the boob touching.

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[Rally]

Hhmmmmm boobage...

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