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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Willowlicious » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:14 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Ari:

I'm also hoping we get an apology. What worries me about that is since TR they have made it out to seem like Tara left Willow just because she was abusing magic. And that's not really true. That was a big part of it, but Tara left because of the mind control and betrayal. The magic enabled that, but to me the specifics of what she did are the bigger issue. I don't want to see that overlooked.

The betrayal of mind control was the "specific" reason for W/T's breakup that I was talking about in my last post. I don't know for sure that Tara would have left over the magick abuse alone. If she thought Willow wasn't too far gone to help, she may well have stuck around to lend support. The fact that Willow had sunk to such a low level that she would, without thought, cast a forget spell on her twice told Tara two things: 1) She doesn't respect me and 2) the magick abuse is far worse than I suspected. Even then, Tara gave Willow another chance. But I kind of think that she did that knowing that Willow would let her down, and I think she felt Willow needed a clear demonstration of what/who she was becoming. Just like Tara to lay her heart out for Willow's sake knowing that it was most likely going to get crushed...AGAIN. But it also left Willow with no excuses and freed Tara to leave without guilt. It was a strong and calculated move.

Anyway, the way all that was written and acted leads me to believe that all involved know that Willow needs to make amends for her violation of Tara. I think they will address it specifically. quote:

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Lanfear » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:15 pm

quote:
Originally posted by katydid:
No more spoilers for me!! I am gonna wait and be surprised. I am so tired of not getting so excited to watch episodes cause I already knew what was going to happen. I am almost positive that the last spoilers I read had to do with next weeks ep. That's it for me. It just means more when I am watching it for the first time, if I don't know what people are going to say or do. Enough from me...this is probably the longest post I have ever made. I will shut up now.

I so agree, I really startet this whole spoilerreading thing around ep 13 or so, and the only thing it's given me so far is less enjoyment of the episodes (though admitedly, it's helped with the wait between episodes ALOT) but with knowing so much comes not beeing so sadend by the sad parts, not so happy about the happy parts, and really not very surprised about the surprises you read all about 2 weeks ago.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby SeanGaffney » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:16 pm

Interesting thought I had about Anya forgiving Xander - I wonder if her neophyte humanity (so to speak) will make forgiving easier for her. Anya's feelings were crushed, true - but someone new to love (especially one such as Anya who's only starting to get it) will likely forgive sooner and easier, simply as they don't have this huge scarring of hurt on their soul. I think she might *try* to be unforgiving, but I'm not so sure someone like Anya would be able to follow through on it very well. Forgiveness = happiness = love. ^^;;

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Wiccagrrl » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:23 pm

Aww, but speculation is fun (Hey, mods, what about the possibility of a what if/Where Do We Go From Here type thread? Might keep the spoiler thread more...well, actually spoilery. Or would it just invite too much trouble?)

Anyway, I agree that Anya probably wouldn't go through with cursing Xander. I think she's come too far. I think she might take D'Hoffryn up on his offer, but in the end, I think she probably loves Xander too much.

I also wonder just how wrecked this whole experience is gonna leave Xander- part of me thinks he'll be feeling so guilty he'll almost expect and welcome whatever Anya might have planned for him. Unless it would target Buffy or Willow, of course.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Web Warlock » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:49 pm

I gotta agree with ya Wiccagrrl. I would expect Xander to take whatever Anya-as-a(maybe)-Vengence-demon would give him.

I am actually wondering now about the group dynamic. Ok we will get some repeats for a while, but then what?

Other things.
Seems Willow has either forgiving or forgotton about her and Anya's little stand off in OAFA. Given Anya's and Xander's before (AYW) and current emotional state, I could see her forgetting the whole thing happened.

Didn't we *know* this was going to happen thanks to "Restless"?

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby SiWangMu » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:52 pm

quote:
Originally posted by tommo:
Yeah, I thought that too. Buffy's name was mentioned a bit too often for it to be coincidental. And I honestly don't like that much. I mean, that's taking it back to Season 1 when Xander was a lovesick puppy for Buffy's attentions. Bah. It just seems so pointless, you know?


Here's what got me about the Buffy mentions... it's not a "lovesick puppy" issue for Xander, but fierce loyalty is (ostensibly) what he does. The show has said this (Xander the heart, even if we think it's really Tara now) various times. So here's my point; this is the season where everyone really questions their path. Willow has to basically decide magick, no magick, where she's going and what kind of fighter-of-evil (the choice she made their senior year) she's going to be, as well as find the moral path that hopefully Tara will help her toward, or the inspiration of Tara, anyway. Buffy faces the most obvious "Where do I go from here?" arc this season although her choices aren't set out as simply (this/not this) as the others'. Heck, while I'm here, Spike's kinda got to pick a direction and go with it sometime soon, as well, although I realize it's not really the same. Anya has an incredibly obvious and immediate call to make; the wedding disaster is what sets her at her real fork in the road--she has mourned for being a demon, lamented her newfound humanity while she has really come to love it, now she has to decide if she still wants it, when she lives through possibly the worst it can offer her. Anya's got her own "the hardest thing in this world is to live in it" decision coming up here. Giles made his choice; Dawn is kinda part of Buffy's choice, as well as, you know, a person. Tara, well, I'd like to hear people's ideas about what lifepath choice she has before her. The obvious one is; Take Willow back? Let the hurt and danger she might represent back in? What about magick? That kinda thing.

Which brings me to Xander. The frequent Buffy references get at something real--Xander does not think of himself as a construction worker. Being Buffy's helper has given him an out, for years now, from a life he otherwise tends to consider worthless and a failure. Helping Buffy makes him feel like SuperXander, as I said before, and we know by know, from the Geeks, from Willow, that SuperMe is never the RealMe or the RightMeforMe. All the conflicts we've seen him have over Anya's behavior? "How can I balance being a Scooby and Anya's boy/man/whatever?" He has fairly consistently, until recently, always chosen his Scooby loyalty first. In OMWF, Anya sings "When things get rough, he just hides behind his Buffy, now look he's gettin' huffy, 'cuz he knows that I know." and again with Xander's idea that "she thinks I'm ordinary" in that song.

As for the future, I was revisiting "Restless" the other day... interestingly enough (and I'm going to leave the fact that it's Spike out of this) there's a scene that fairly clearly enunciates this lifepath choice time for Xander. Giles and Spike (in outfit he reprises in TR) swing on swings while Buffy's in a sandbox. various important points to me are childlikeBuffy in the sandbox, where Xander is still worried for her and wants to protect her like a little sister (she calls him Big Brother) so that's what's keeping him there, and that when Spike says "he's training me to be a watcher" or some such Xander says "I did that for a while, but I've got other things going on now" and he looks toward the ice cream truck the other-him is driving. They freeze there kind of--Xander the loyal wants to stay as Buffy's junior watcher/helper, but somebody else needs to fill that role... Xander's other direction is to the boring, unfulfilling job, seeming all the drabber next to watching and slaying and Buffy's calling, but in the truck waits Anya as well. It just capture his essential conflict so wel... "Super"ScoobyXander? He had been pretending he could be a Scooby and Xander--the husband and man, all together, forever. He can't. He's got to grow up (not to sound redundant to this season) and realize plain old Xander is what Anya wants and what he needs for himself. He's got to realize that Anya truly is what he wants, and that he can't be a Scooby first, forever. He's not immortal, or superstrong, he's Xander. He's the heart, and his heart belongs somewhere else. He's got "other things going on" now, as he says in Restless.

Okay, I'm terminally long-winded, I know that, sorry, but I'd love to hear others' takes on this.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Ari » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:52 pm

quote:
Originally posted by tommo:

Yeah, I thought that too. Buffy's name was mentioned a bit too often for it to be coincidental. And I honestly don't like that much. I mean, that's taking it back to Season 1 when Xander was a lovesick puppy for Buffy's attentions. Bah. It just seems so pointless, you know?

Well, I'm of two minds about it all. On one hand, if it is just a retreading of him having unrequited feelings for her that he needs to get over, then yeah, that's pretty pointless.

But the big question is - would those feelings still be unrequited?

I'm not so sure about that.

We have Buffy and Xander both ending relationships in two consecutive episodes. And both of those relationships were ones where they were guilty of behaving pretty badly. Both are at pretty much the low point of their lives and probably not even capable of sustaining a relationship at this point.

Sounds like the perfect time to start messing with B/X, right?


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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby tommo » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:56 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Ari:
But the big question is - would those feelings still be unrequited?

Absolutely yes. Buffy might be shagging Spike but she's not entirely lost her mind.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Ari » Wed Mar 06, 2002 2:00 pm

quote:
Originally posted by tommo:
Absolutely yes. Buffy might be shagging Spike but she's not entirely lost her mind.

Well, not yet anyway...

heh


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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Puff » Wed Mar 06, 2002 2:04 pm

You know it's only when you read back through the thread that you realise what you missed.

And how did I miss Willow touching Tara's boob? Now I have to go back and rewatch the episode

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby BBOvenGuy » Wed Mar 06, 2002 2:16 pm

I'm back! And I see that the tactile frenzy has abated somewhat, so I'll throw in a non-tactile thought or two.

I'm of two minds when it comes to Xander. As someone who spent five years in a marriage where all we had to offer each other was pain, I can understand his fears. On the other hand, the fact that I've been out of that marriage for nine years now is living proof that there's always time to change the road you're on. If you're making a mistake, there are plenty of chances to do something about it before you're thirty years older and smacking people with frying pans. Why not then give it a try?

I noticed the conspicuous Buffy-mentioning in Xander's future vision, too, but I don't think it's any reason for B/X'ers to suddenly start hoping again. Xander's future persona reminded me of the stereotypical middle-aged man whose entire identity was wrapped up in the physical prowess of his youth - usually that has to do with playing football or basketball or something instead of monster-fighting, but the idea's the same. Fighting alongside Buffy made Xander feel like a man long before Anya came along. I got the impression that once Buffy was gone, future-Xander simply gave up and spent all his time being bitter about the life he had lost.

As for Anya, I can see her being tempted back to her former vengeance-demon self, but I don't think it'll last. She's outgrown it. She's become a new person. The fact that she didn't even remember turning that guy into a demon back in 1914 says a lot. It's like her vengeance demon days were part of an entirely different life. She has new things to live for now - I mean hey, even if she doesn't have Xander, she still has the Magic Box and all that lovely money.

As for Willow and Tara, their road to reunion is almost too easy at the moment. There's some sort of big whammy waiting for them before they reunite - of that I'm almost certain. I'm still confident that they will reunite once they're through the whammy, though.

And as for the touching... wow, it's been a long time since we've had any W/T contact to rave about, hasn't it? I'm glad everyone enjoyed it so much.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Kalita » Wed Mar 06, 2002 2:30 pm

Well, I've recovered from the horrors of dental surgery finally! And I get to do it all again in 2 months...

Well, quite the show. Being my unspoiled self, I WAS expecting an actual happy ending here; I guess I'm just too optimistic. Sure, Xander's made some big realizations, good for him; but to do it after buying the engagement ring, after proposing, after planning and setting up a wedding... great timing, buddy.

But, hey, the W/T stuff made up for it! The looks, the touching, the rescuing... sigh. And both Aly and Amber were really on the ball, great to see.

I have no idea what's going to happen for the rest of the season (except the expected W/T reconciliation, it's inevitable now); which, when it comes to Buffy, is Very Good. Bring it on, writer people!

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby KJ_Chicago » Wed Mar 06, 2002 2:36 pm

BBOvenGuy - I've gotta say that you do make a lot of sense

And thanks for Xita's observation skills and Rally's pics

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby invisigoth » Wed Mar 06, 2002 3:14 pm

EW has a review for Hells Bells. I don't really agree with the assessment though. One thing I do wish is that Buffy starts getting with the funny soon.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary ... ng,00.html

Also, apparently Buffy has been nominated for the Kid's Choice Awards for best TV series. Does this strike anyone as bizzare considering the very adult storylines this year?
http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?24315

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby bearskeeper » Wed Mar 06, 2002 3:36 pm

Hm...Something I just picked up on. In the second to last scene, when Willow, Buffy and Dawn are talking about how sad they are for Anya...WHERE IS TARA?!?!?!?! I mean, she was the MOH, so the obvious place for her to be is wtih Anya. But Anya is with D'Hoffryn in some alter-demon universe. Wouldn't it make sense for Tara to be with the other three? I just think that, after those wonderful W/T moments, that it's way beyond weird that she's nowhere to be seen in that scene!
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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Dazey » Wed Mar 06, 2002 3:38 pm

Hey, did anyone notice that Willow touched Tara's boob?!

That was my sarcastic voice, btw. Sigh...I just hate getting here when there's already 7 pages of discussion and everything I wanted to bring up has already been brought.

So it's all about the details...like yeah, I was wondering why D'Hoffryn would offer Anya the vengeance gig now when he said no in "Doppelgängland"...I guess maybe he thinks she's more motivated now? And um, you know, with the way he was talking to Halfrek, and let's face it that outfit, anyone else thinking of D'Hoffryn as a vengeance demon pimp?

Speaking of Hallie, she had the same dress as Willow and Tara, with the longer sleeves. So, while Willow was the Best Man as stated and I think it's pretty clear that Tara was Maid of Honor, the dresses are not proof of that. But sigh...how I would have loved to see them dance together. It would have given Will a chance to say some things that needed saying...we know how good they are at serious-talkin' whilst slow-dancing.

But that will come. As heartbreaking as this ep was--and I think Rebecca K. has now proved herself the master of mixing hilarity with heartbreak--I just have a hard time feeling bad for X/A (or B/S, for that matter) when things are looking so great for W/T. Finally it seems as though the Great Burden of Angst is being shifted to X/A. Not that I want them to suffer, I don't want anyone to suffer, but obviously suffering is a part of the show and W/T have had more than their share. Plus, finally some juicy stuff for Emma, a fine actress who has been woefully underused for the last 2 seasons.

But W/T...wow. Every scene between them was just amazing, for all the reasons that everyone has already said. I'm just so happy for them! And for us! You know, I was thinking that Willow looks different now...for some reason she looks more like her old self. Like, her old old self, like S1 or 2 Willow. Maybe it's that her hair is longer, but...I don't think so. It's more that there's a kind of light in her face, an innocence in her eyes, as though putting aside the dark magicks has washed her clean somehow. I think Tara sees it too, and that's why she is opening herself to the possibility of reunion. While Willow will obviously never be the same person that she was 4 or 5 years ago, I hope we will see her slowly reclaiming the parts of that Plain Old Willow that were good and important, instead of trying to erase everything associated with her. It's what she needs to do, for her own sake and for the sake of her True Love.

And oh yeah, Giles was sorely missed. I guess we have to assume that he was dealing with other stuff. The wedding did seem to come up awfully fast. And where were the Rosenbergs? Willow said that the Harrises attended her Bat Mitzvah, so what, her parents don't get an invite to Xander's wedding? On second thought, maybe they swore off any social engagements involving the Harrises because of the Bat Mitzvah....

In conclusion, W/T: yay!

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby aladdin » Wed Mar 06, 2002 3:39 pm

In two years, this was the first unspoiled episode I've seen and hey, it was utterly painful...and still, I'm not even sure if I think the Xander/Anya thing was wrong or not. I'm somehow glad that the writers made clear that one has to fight one's own demons before he or she can commit so deeply. At the same time, I think that Xander and Anya could get through pretty much everything together and I'll hope that they find a way abck together.
I trust Anya...we confided in Willow not to fall off the witchy wagon and by now, she did great...we'll see where Joss&Co lead us now.

I think it was especially made clear by this episode that this season's big bad is self-worthiness issues..we've seen it with Will, we've seen it with Buffy and now Xander. It's the uncertainty whether or not you make the wrong choices, whether you are ready to take responsibility or not.

HB made me cry..Nick and Emma were so awesome...her little "Yippieh" in one of the first scenes...I can't be happy about W/T now because the progress of this season is really making me feel dreadful and I still can't believe they broke up Xander and Anya.
*sniffle*

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Lonewolf » Wed Mar 06, 2002 4:03 pm

I just had to add my thoughts on tonights episode.

I feel soooooooooo sorry for Anya and for Xander too, I know some of you guys hate him right now but you could totally see the pain in his eyes as he tells Anya that he isn't ready. Wonderful acting by the two of them.

Willow and Tara: What can I say that would justify all the great moments. I absolutely loved the interaction our girls had in the episode, all the little smiles and giggles when they are helping Anya with her dress, I really loved when Anya was talking about Xander taking care of her heart and Willow is kneeling and looking up at Tara and you could just sense the love they have for each other, is it me or did anybody else get the feeling that when Willow was kneeling and looking up at Tara and Anya was saying her vows that you could totally see Willow proposing to Tara. And the last scene when Willow saved Tara from the fight and they were holding hands you could totally see the love that they still have for each other, just amazing.

I hope that we get some Willow and Tara goodness next week.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Zahir » Wed Mar 06, 2002 4:06 pm

Personally, I'd probably have Anya take up her Vengeance Demon ways, place a curse on Xander, then end up destroying her own amulet to undo the curse, and her power.

Oh, did anybody else note that Halfrek's "father issues" still seem evident when it comes to D'Hoffryn?

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby lesbianinmaine » Wed Mar 06, 2002 4:43 pm

Ohhh, Anya!! I felt *so* badly for her! First, she was so sweet and cute and funny-"I get to spend the rest of my life with my best friend. Yea!" Then her tears when realizing how little it took to spook Xander. The absolute killer for me was when she headed back into the ceremony, and they started to play "here comes the bride"- I was shaking my head and thinking "no, no, don't make her walk down the aisle with that song playing!" In her last scene, I just wanted to be able to hug her and tell her it was going to be ok.
I feel like Willow does, I think I should be mad at Xander, but I can't. He has some *major* issues about his value and worth, about the man he can be outside of the Scoobies.
All W/T goodness has been touched on(ha! I made a double entendre) but one of my favorite scenes is X/W. She just looked so *alive* and happy and playful. I didn't realize how much I missed that. I especially loved the look on her face when she asked him if he was ready for "the long walk". It was full of love, and a gentle teasing-classic Willow.
Buffy and Spike were of the good-they really do *get* each other on some basic level.
Tara was breathtakingly beautiful as always, sigh.
So many things to enjoy about this ep., but my heart just aches for Anya.

*now muttering- it's just a tv show, it's just a tv show*

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby kitten scout » Wed Mar 06, 2002 4:58 pm

Great Willow and Tara interaction! Good to hear Willow repeat that's she's gay. Sad for Anya and Xander. It will be interesting to see how they fit in with the Scoobie Gang now. After reading most of this thread, I now have to go back and watch for the "boob grab"!
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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Lanfear » Wed Mar 06, 2002 5:26 pm

Well, it's not actually a grab, it's a *move hair out of the way and trail along the hair and then move the hand towards self* sort of thing, that due to the angle made the end of the hair place be above the boob, of course, even realizing that, I'll happilly erase that from my mind and think back at boobage when I go to sleep *G*.
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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Puff » Wed Mar 06, 2002 6:35 pm

Ok so one more point I haven't seen mentioned anywhere (sorry if it is) is the giggling between Tara and Willow over the "sea captain" comment I think Willow even blushed. Shiver my timbers anyone?

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby GODisTigger » Wed Mar 06, 2002 6:38 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Zahir:
then end up destroying her own amulet to undo the curse, and her power.

In The Wish, didn't Giles say that when Anyanka's power center was destroyed all the wishes she's granted would be reversed? Why then was Stuart still a big ugly blue demon since it was due to a wish that he became that way?

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby supermus » Wed Mar 06, 2002 6:57 pm

Maybe Giles was wrong? It doesn't make sense that if ALL her wishes were undone she would get sent to the time of Cordy's wish. In theory she would get sent to the first wish. Also, I think Anya may be on the road to redemption herself. Before, she took pride in her work and what she had done, but she really felt bad for that guy. Also, people defending Anya's goodness use the argument that her wishes were undone. Now I can go HA! and throw this in their face next time they try to pull that.

Edited to add two things:
1) My point above was that maybe the destruction of the amulet only undid the last wish

2) Maybe that guy was protected from the effects of the undoing because he was in an alternate dimension.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Kasey » Wed Mar 06, 2002 7:27 pm

Overall, I thought this was a great episode, kinda sad but that seems to be the trend this season. Loved the W/T scenes, but I got hung up on the future Xander scene, where he's watching the tv, the house is supposed to be this dumpy place but the tv he is watching is like a 2000 dollar set. I just thought it was out of place in the house, anyway, I know kinda picky but, I found it weird.

Oh, and I noticed the touching of the boob when I saw it the first time, but then had to watch it again, and again, just to make sure.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Spinner » Wed Mar 06, 2002 7:49 pm

When all the guests were seated at the wedding, Clem was sitting on the groom's side of the aisle. Does that mean that Xander invited him rather than Anya?

I was kinda hoping that Clem would bring Sophie as his date. They seemed to get along well at the party.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby GODisTigger » Wed Mar 06, 2002 8:56 pm

quote:
Originally posted by supermus:
1) My point above was that maybe the destruction of the amulet only undid the last wish

Giles: In order to defeat Anyanka, one must destroy her power center. This should reverse all the wishes she's granted, rendering her mortal and powerless again.

What you say is how I thought it should be and would make more sense. When I had first heard Giles say that all her wishes would be reversed I had a thought that reversing 1000 years of wishes would really mess up how history unfolded.

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby Guinyan » Wed Mar 06, 2002 9:32 pm

Well, just a thought...
This wedding HAD to end bad and it's Xander's fault...because he said, just after finally finding his cufflinks :
"and nothing on hearth can stop this wedding now !"
It's the jinx (if you remenber School Hard ).
He should have learned his lesson...
I do feel for them though...it's was definitely more painful than fighting some vampires.
And a last one...when Tara says to Anya "let's take a look at you", she actually keeps looking at Willow for a few seconds.
It's funny that sometimes your viewing is influenced by what you REALLY want to see

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Discussion – S6E16 – "Hell’s Bells"

Postby GODisTigger » Wed Mar 06, 2002 9:51 pm

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Originally posted by Spinner:
I was kinda hoping that Clem would bring Sophie as his date. They seemed to get along well at the party.

After what happened at Buffy's birthday? Her mother STILL probably hasn't let her out of the house.

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Originally posted by Guinyan:
And a last one...when Tara says to Anya "let's take a look at you",

When Tara says this line I noticed that some of her hair was caught. Too bad Willow didn't fix it for her.

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