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Postby tommo » Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:33 pm

For those of you unable to get it; afford it; read it; sweat over it, etc. Here it is:

Buffy R.I.P.?

by John Mosby

One particularly enthusiastic Buffy fan at the recent Nocturnal 3K event in London was heard to remark, “I know Joss Whedon is a god. I’m just not sure which one!” As over the top as his comment may seem, said fan has a good point. Whedon has played god the Buffy franchise for around a decade, having created and produced the hit TV series and written its original incarnation, the 1992 film. Whedon is also the only TV creator to sign a deal to continue his vision and expand it into new dimensions, and then decide to kill off his central protagonist!

“Buffy is dead.” It sounds unbelievable, but Whedon keeps repeating these three words throughout his much-anticipated appearance at Nocturnal 3K. He makes no apologies and offers few clues about the future of the show. But continue it will.

Death becomes her

After gaining the rights to the series from the WB, the UPN network will premiere Buffy’s sixth season across the US in the autumn, and has already committed itself to a seventh year. Buffy will be back. Sarah Michelle Gellar will be back. Oh, by the way, did we mention – Buffy is dead?!

“I did warn UPN,” says Whedon of events in Buffy’s fifth season finale, The Gift, shortly after his main appearance at Nocturnal. “I told them, ‘Guys, you may see something in the final episode that disturbs you slightly!”

“UPN were great about it. After the show aired they took the gravestone and they shot an ad with it. The very next day they aired it with the tag-line: they say when you die you go to a better place. This fall, the next season of Buffy comes to UPN!” he reveals with a chuckle.

Buffy’s death at the end of season five followed months of uncertainty about the series’ future. The basic argument and battle of spin between UPN and the WB has been well documented and received much public comment. But some fans wondered if the show would come back at all. The ‘Series Finale’ tag with which the WB promoted the show’s 100th episode led many viewers to wrongly believe that this was the end of the story.

“In all honesty, we were too busy dealing with the whole network to move to anticipate the exact reaction (to the ending),” recalls Whedon. “Yes, there was the fact that she died and we knew that there would be confusion. Then, the network (the WB) actually tried to pretend it was the final episode. We were so caught up in that that we didn’t really have time to think about how people would react to it. Apart from that confusion, most people seemed to like it.”

Whedon might be Buffy’s creator and it’s still very clearly his vision, but some of the basic decisions were out of his hands. The WB, or more accurately, certain people within the company, were claiming they weren’t overtly bothered about losing Buffy. Did Whedon have any sleepless nights as to what the final outcome might have been?

“Not really sleepless nights, no,” he replies, “I mean, Buffy’s dead and if they told me that I could never make another one, I would have reached a sort of closure. But it was not wonderful to be completely rejected by your own network,” admits Whedon candidly. “That’s not the most fun I ever had. I figured, we’d have a place to go and we’d continue to make shows. If no one else had stepped up, Fox probably wouldn’t have pulled the show off the air, just grumbled a lot. It still grates to be unappreciated.”

Six appeal

Not even an unappreciative US TV executive could fail to recognise how excited regular viewers are about Buffy’s upcoming sixth season, especially in the wake of Buffy’s death at the end of season five. Whedon, of course, could probably tell us everything, but he knows that would ruin the surprises. Instead he drops the crumbs he’s been famous for.

“On Buffy, Tony’s going to become a recurring character (as Giles),” he says. “There won’t be any other changes to Buffy’s credits. The thing was that if the opening credits got any longer, we’d have to have a longer song. We want to keep the number of credits down at the beginning.

“I can’t say a lot else, of course…” he muses. “I can confirm that it is a two hour episode for the start of Buffy. We broke it as a two-parter and it will be shown as a two-hour episode which could then be broken up as needed. It will be written as if it were two separate episodes, the same process as we started with over five years ago.

“Next season we’ll be watching these people reaching an older part of their lives, being still relatively young but having to make decisions that they’ve normally felt older people would have to do,” he states. “They’re going to find out how hard that is. Ultimately, this is the stuff that never goes away, it’s a universal theme that everyone can identify with.”

As for the third season of Buffy’s spin-off series, Whedon notes: “On Angel, we have a cast addition. Amy Acker, who played Fred (in the season finale arc), is joining the cast as a series regular.

“It will be great to be back filming both shows.”

New Dimensions

Whedon is currently toying with several possible projects, both in and out of the Slayer universe. He admits that he constantly gets inspired to char new territories and media.

“Everything fascinates me,” he explains. “Everything I see, I want to do. When I see a play, I want to write a play. Every time I see a T-shirt, I want to write a T-shirt. I can’t help it. I can’t finish books, because halfway through I want to go write one. So, it’s both frustrating and wonderful. Right now, I’m trying to fathom music for the musical episode we’re doing next season.”

This past season, Whedon directed several Buffy episodes, including The Body, arguably the finest episode of any show in recent memory. The episode dealt with the sudden (and natural) death of Buffy’s mother and was inspired by emotive events in Whedon’s own life. He confirms he’ll be back behind the camera for the more whimsical musical episode. But don’t hold your breath for an encore from Whedon’s alter-ego, Numfar (last seen in Angel).

“The only directing that’s definitely set is the musical episode, so we’ll see,” he says. “But, you know, playing Numfar was terrific. I danced in the rehearsal room because I’m easily bored and they decided I’d have to do it. It was also great because I don’t see the Angel crew that much. I came in, ‘Yes I’m the leader. Now watch me dance!’ It was great fun. I gave out the clue on the Internet as to what role I’d cameo in. ‘Dignity. Always dignity’ was actually a line from Gene Kelly in Singin’ in the Rain.

Ripping Yarns

One might suspect that a man responsible for two successful primetime TV shows would be content with that success. However, the next year will see Whedon increasing his workload in several diverse directions. One of his most eagerly awaited new projects is the proposed spin-off show featuring Buffy’s Watcher, Rupert ‘Ripper’ Giles.

Anthony Stewart Head has been a series regular from the very first episode of Buffy, but will become a recurring character on the show from next season. This will allow the actor to spend more time with his family in the UK. Bearing this in mind, Whedon has seen an opportunity to further explore the Watcher’s life outside Sunnydale and also fulfil a desire to work with the BBC.

“The (new) show wouldn’t conflict with the rest of the ‘universe’, but it would definitely stand by itself. It’s going to have a very different identity,” elaborates Whedon. “That’s not to say that other characters couldn’t come and visit. Everyone has said ‘Me, please!’ because they want to work abroad.

“I admit, I was looking to make a show that has a British feel. In fact, when I was initially talking to the BBC they said ‘…not too British, because something has to happen, right?’” laughs Whedon. “There will be some colour in the frame at some point! They were (and are) interested in the way I do things, because it’s different, and I’m interested in the way they do things. There’s the potential there for a happy marriage.”

Many of the pieces for the project are in place. Whedon has a detailed outline for the first story, which Anthony Head as likened to ‘Cracker with ghosts’ (see Dreamwatch Issue 82). Whedon currently hopes he can begin to shoot the new series around the end of the year or the beginning of 2002. The next issue that needs to be resolved concerns financing.

“Yeah, that’s really the next step,” confirms Whedon. “There will be lost of steps and these things are never quick. As for time-frame, my aim is to shoot something this winter and for it to go out in the fall of 2002.

“I haven’t actually seen Cracker, but I knew its tone. I’d seen Prime Suspect and I liked that a lot. I wanted to do something quiet and grown up, but (with) really good, old fashioned ghost stories. At the same time, I wanted to play with the emotional life of a character that I’m very interested in. He’s (someone who is) noble, very quiet, but who is also a real bad-ass when pushed. I want to tell stories that are not always resolved quite as often by kick-boxing!” he states with a grin.

Some viewers have expressed concern that a BBC-produced Buffy spin-off might not keep the magic of its parent shows. After all, the Beeb doesn’t have the best track record in knowing how to create or treat cult shows. In recent years, Invasion Earth, Bugs and a continue vagueness about their commitment to Doctor Who have not inspired confidence. This is also a broadcaster that regularly broadcasts Buffy in the early evening, despite the fact that many of its mature themes are not suitable for younger viewers. So, would any Giles show suffer the same fate?

“We were very clear from the very start about it being a 9pm type of show,” responds Whedon firmly. “That’s not because it’s particularly gory. It’s just entirely aimed at a mature, adult audience and so we can take our time with it.

“My plan is to direct the first episode as a sort of template and just for the experience to direct something here in the UK. Then we’d hope to find a crew here. I think some of my existing writers are hoping to contribute too. I would supervise and make notes – basically, a longer-arm version of what I do already on Buffy. We’re aiming to make it a six-episode series, but right now we’re aiming to initially shoot a pilot and we’d hope it goes to the full six. If we need to shoot the pilot and then wait, then that’s okay.”

[b]Beyond Buffy[/b[

If the BBC spin-off comes to fruition, it will be the third Buffy related series to reach the screen. A further spin-off is also set to debut on Fox before the end of 2002, in the unique form of the animated Buffy series. This, like the British spin-off, will not contradict established continuity, but will take place in the early days of Buffy’s High School adventures and will be aimed at a younger audience.

Whedon wipes his brow in mock horror at the thought of four networks and the workload – but that’s not the end of his future projects. Right now, he is currently writing Fray for Dark Horse Comics. This tells the story of a soon to be Slayer set in a future metropolis where gangsters, mutants and overworked police officers fight for control. Melaka Fray is a thief, but that career is going to come to a grinding halt when it is revealed that she is the first ‘Chosen One’ in over 200 years. Whedon is pleased with the interest in the project and relieved that the first issue has done so well, but notes that, “How well the second issue sells is the test!”

As well as his contributions to the Buffy and Fray comics, Whedon is a self-diagnosed comic junkie. He wrote a version of the X-Men movie script, thought his contributions were not eventually used. When asked if he’s ever wanted – or been asked – to get involved with writing any existing Marvel or DC character for actual comics, Whedon’s answer is rather unexpected…

“Y’know, we’ve had very tentative talks about Iron Man,” he announces. “That was a project I really wanted a long time ago. People might have laughed at the idea then. They don’t anymore.

“But it’s very tentative and embryonic at the moment. Nobody has made any real offers yet. The thing is, nobody’s ever made a good movie of a comic book. They still haven’t. I’d disagree with the notion that we’re getting closer to it. Actually, I think the original Christopher Reeve Superman movie was the closest we’ve come – at least that’s the way I perceived it as a kid. I don’t have high hopes for any of them, but my theories are based entirely on hubris,” he says with a chuckle.

Whedon’s success has given the self confessed ‘geek’ and ‘fanboy’ a powerbase to work from. But he doesn’t want to be solely associated with the Buffy franchise. His deal with Fox will allow him to explore other avenues on television and film. Despite his rewarding and popular ties to the world of Buffy, he is eager to show that he can create other characters and situations to similar success.

“Ohhh, yes, I must get away from this beast, er…I mean, this show that I love,” he declares, smiling. “It is important to me to do other things outside of Buffy. I’m working on a movie script right now and it’s why I love the Shakespeare readings that the cast and I do. It’s why I took movie gigs while I was running two shows. It does feed you and it does help to go somewhere else sometimes.”

Given the slings and arrows (not to mention stakes, axes and cutthroat politics) of outrageous fortune that have surrounded Buffy both on and off screen over the last year, there’s little doubt that Whedon and his audience are both set for an exciting time as its sixth season unfolds. The next year will be a testing ground for the changes that the last season has wrought, but there will be no shortage of people ready for a resurrection in ratings and controversy come October.

By the way – Buffy is dead. Just thought we’d better mention that…

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"She looked across at Willow, whose face was filled with light. She had never felt so calm and happy, and strong..." ~ Unseen: Door To Alternity

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby xita » Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:49 pm

quote:
“On Buffy, Tony’s going to become a recurring character (as Giles),” he says. “There won’t be any other changes to Buffy’s credits. The thing was that if the opening credits got any longer, we’d have to have a longer song. We want to keep the number of credits down at the beginning.

Is that it? Is that a reason why amber isn't in the credis? Hmm...

quote:

“I can’t say a lot else, of course…” he muses. “I can confirm that it is a two hour episode for the start of Buffy. We broke it as a two-parter and it will be shown as a two-hour episode which could then be broken up as needed. It will be written as if it were two separate episodes, the same process as we started with over five years ago.

Ok, but does it mean it is not a separate episode? Cause I only want it to count as 1. I don't want it count as 2. I want 22 episodes, 23 hours
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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Zahir » Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:52 pm

Thanks Tommo, for the great interview.

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That other book Above...
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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Kalita » Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:56 pm

quote:
The thing was that if the opening credits got any longer, we’d have to have a longer song. We want to keep the number of credits down at the beginning.

See, this I don't really get. How many credits did we have at the beginning of S5?

Sarah, Nick, Aly, Marc, Emma, James, Michelle, and Tony. That's 8.

At the begnning of S6, we'll have:

Sarah, Nick, Aly, Emma, James, Michelle. Only 6.

Definitely room for Amber; that's not the problem...

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Halcyon » Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:10 pm

Thanks Ruth.

That credits thing, is that the best reason they can come up with? They can always cut the number of shots of the others to accomodate just one more. I don't need to see so many shots of SMG

Or maybe we'll just have to wait till ASH leaves.

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby darvangi » Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:23 pm

Thanks a lot, Ruth, for the interview. I hope Joss is able to strech out and explore non-Buffy projects like he wants to. I can't wait to see what other kinds of characters and stories he can create.

Regarding the season premier, I thought that I had read there was going to be some kind of documentary/recap of Buffy as the first hour, and then the episode would be in the second hour. Was I wrong about this? I thoght that was a pretty good idea.

darvangi
 


Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Ed Wood » Fri Jul 27, 2001 4:25 pm

quote:
Originally said by Joss Whedon:
“On Buffy, Tony’s going to become a recurring character (as Giles),” he says. “There won’t be any other changes to Buffy’s credits. The thing was that if the opening credits got any longer, we’d have to have a longer song. We want to keep the number of credits down at the beginning.


Hee hee, liar. This makes me believe Amber will be in the credits even more!

Again, don't worry folks, she'll be there.

P.S. Thanks Ruth!

[This message has been edited by Ed Wood (edited July 27, 2001).]quote:

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Teresa » Fri Jul 27, 2001 6:00 pm

thanks for the article.

Teresa

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby TaraMaclay » Fri Jul 27, 2001 6:05 pm

Thanks Tommo for the interview

I'm glad to se that it going to continue. As well as ASH getting to work with the BBC.

One question that I never hear mentioned. Maybe because no one else thought of it.

We've heard the the WB will not allow crossovers

Well, what nobody has ansered is whaat about other means of crossovers. The obligatory email's to Cordy or vise versa. Or the odd phone call "Disharmony" And they never said anything about 'secondary" characters being able to crossovers occationally. "Harmony, Spike, Darl, Dru" and yes even Tara.

Just something I was thinking about last night.

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Kiwiccan » Fri Jul 27, 2001 6:21 pm

“On Buffy, Tony’s going to become a recurring character (as Giles),” he says. “There won’t be any other changes to Buffy’s credits. The thing was that if the opening credits got any longer, we’d have to have a longer song. We want to keep the number of credits down at the beginning."


I hope this isn't the only reason Amber won't be in the credits this season. There has to be another reason. I know Joss can't be that lame.

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby tommo » Fri Jul 27, 2001 7:29 pm

I honestly don't think she'll be in the credits. I'd love to be proven wrong, but perhaps Joss wants to give more time to the people who are in the credits.

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Tim the UNSPOILED » Sat Jul 28, 2001 5:14 am

Nice one,typing Mistress
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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Kiwiccan » Sat Jul 28, 2001 5:19 am

Maybe with the new UPN contract, SMG not only got a larger salary but also more screen credit time. That wouldn't be unheard of.

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Keeper of my own insanity
"I love being a girl, having a girl.." ~as sung by Amber Benson in the UK

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Master_Mort » Sat Jul 28, 2001 7:11 am

I just read the interview, very good, I kinda like the idea of the Fray comics.

I think Tara should be in the opening credits, because she is a season regular now, so she should be shown as one in the credits.

Mort

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Puff » Sat Jul 28, 2001 9:44 am

Thanks for typing up the interview Ruth
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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby tommo » Sat Jul 28, 2001 11:03 am

quote:
Originally posted by Kiwiccan:
Maybe with the new UPN contract, SMG not only got a larger salary but also more screen credit time. That wouldn't be unheard of.

That's an interesting point Paula; I guess perhaps with the profile of the show moving to UPN, they may want to expend more credit time on the original characters. I dunno.

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby morgan1707 » Sat Jul 28, 2001 11:39 am

Amber isn't in the opening credits because she is only recurring. It probably has nothing else to do with the fact that the credits were too long.
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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Kath » Mon Jul 30, 2001 12:53 pm

I'll be putting up a scan from this article as soon as my server is back up properly!
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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby An » Mon Jul 30, 2001 1:46 pm

Ahh thanks in advance Kath! And thanks Ruth for posting this article! I've had some trouble getting my hands on the latest Dreamwatch this month, so I'm really grateful you posted this.

Anneke

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby tommo » Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:08 pm

The only reason I didn't post scans is that I didn't think they were all that great. Pics of Joss and other cast members. Nothing we haven't seen before.

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"She looked across at Willow, whose face was filled with light. She had never felt so calm and happy, and strong..." ~ Unseen: Door To Alternity

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby Kath » Thu Aug 02, 2001 11:25 am

Ok - I'm only posting the scan of Joss with Andy Hallett (and a bunch of other buffy/angel peeps too), mainly because its the only pic some people might not have seen.

Here is the link - www.kathsrealm.com/andy/dw01.jpg

Hope you all like!

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Joss Interview: Dreamwatch Issue 84

Postby tommo » Thu Aug 02, 2001 3:51 pm

Thanks Kath, I'm sure the statesiders will appreciate it!

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