W/T comic -WannaBlessedBe

[hush30]

Hey Keili I would love to buy any comics you have or can get. I am looking for all 8 of the Wilderness and Wannablessedbe #1 & #2 photo and art covers. I don't have any of them yet and am trying to collect them all (yeah I don't want much do I ). On ebay they just sell one at a time and this will just cost a fortune on postage and fees from Australia not to mention the prices they charge for them. I'm trying to locate them in Australia but this is proving very difficult and I have to wait a month just to find out whether its even possible.

So any help in getting these comics would be appreciated

"I think this line's mostly filler" - Willow in OMWF

[KISMIC]

Kieli..Uhh you have mail! I sent you an email regarding the comic..so uhh yeah!


Comics really don't seem to be a big thing in Aus, I tried in the beginning to get copies of Ambers/Chris' comics but gave up after receiving blank looks and, "uhh I have no idea if or when we'd be getting that"!


*~Kristy~*

[Scout]

I was recently in contact with Andi Watson (the comic artist/writer who did the one-shot W/T comic strip that appeared in the Dark Horse Extra issue from May 2002) and I ended up exchanging emails with his editor, Scott Allie, who has done a lot with the Buffy comics. He passed along some info that I'll share here. I debated whether or not to post this because it isn't particularly good news, but in the interest of sharing anything Amber/Tara-related, I thought I'd post it anyway. I actually wrote Scott inquiring about another W/T comic strip - not a comic book - but he thought I was asking about the comic books. Here was his reply:



"I'm pretty good friends with Amber, and right now this is a subject I want to leave (Willow and Tara). Amber is real busy looking toward her future, without Buffy and Tara. If she were to decide that she wanted to do another comic, I'd do it in a heartbeat. For now, I know she's not thinking about it. If in a few months she were to tell me that she'll NEVER write another Willow and Tara story, I might ask Andi. There are two potential one-shots coming up that might feature Tara prominently, but probably not in the way you want to see her (dear god, what the hell does that mean?). With Tara off the show, I'm not sure that we want to do more with the character. So, in short, I'm always up for doing more work with Andi Watson or Amber Benson, but I'm not sure about another Willow and Tara story. I love the characters, and I've been really happy to portray them in what I consider a respectful way in the comics. I just feel that we may have done enough with them.There will be a complete Willow and Tara collection in the next year, with all the Willow and Tara stories so far, except the one which was collected in Food Chain last year. Thanks for reading the comics--"

Edited by: Scout at: 9/21/02 3:01:11 pm

[VampNo12]

Thanks for the information Scout, Scott Allie sounds like a good guy, but I just shudder to think about his comment of Tara being featured "but not in the way you want to see her". I think Scott's reply is also another confirmation that Amber is moving on beyond Buffy. Thanks again for this little tid-bit!

Edited by: VampNo12  at: 9/21/02 3:20:36 pm

[Warduke]

Thanks for the news Scout, and I'll join the WTF does " but probably not in the way you want to see her" mean?

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[urnofosiris]

Maybe having sex with Willow from start till finish?

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

[Scout]

No, that would fall under the category of 'exactly how we want to see her.'

[Blue Pariah]

Don't the comics like filling in the between season gaps? So these one-shots probably deal with Willow's stay in England and the only way Tara could be in those is as a ghost or a halucination.



Most likely she'll condemn Willow's actions first, and then tell her to move on with her life.

I hold my breath and I hang in the balance

Of a city that reels between despair

And delight

"Blue Pariah" by BRJ

[urnofosiris]

Exactly Scout, so that would be the way we *want* to see her but are *not* are not going to. I was answering the want, not the not.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

[Coma123]

I'm guessing the "not the way you want to see her" will probably be a funeral type issue. Which pisses me off because its the kind of thing that really should be on the show not regulated to the comics, with no offence meant to the comics. I guess I can understand Amber not wanting to write anymore comics for the time being, makes sense.

And yeh another confirmation that Ambers not going to be back.

ETA: BTW Andi Watson rings a bell. His done some stuff for Oni Press right? Good writer I believe.

Edited by: Coma123 at: 9/21/02 11:10:59 pm

[Scout]

Yeah, that's the same Andi Watson from Oni Press. And you might be right about the funeral. At first I thought it might be a gravestone scene, but it was his use of the word 'prominently' that made me figure it must be more than that. If they have to do anything, I just hope they handle her character with respect - unlike the show.

[hush30]

kieli I've looked on the board for your email address to contact you about the WBB comic but can't find it. Could you post it so I can contact you. Thanks

"I think this line's mostly filler" - Willow in OMWF

[infinitelight]

You guys looking for Buffy comics in Australia, try here:



www.impactrecords.com.au/



Local (obviously) and they seem to be reasonably priced (bear in mind I have no idea what a comic book should cost...).

[hush30]

Thanks heaps for that link infinitelight . Looks like they have #1 of Wilderness and I have emailed them about #2 and Wannablessedbe #1 and #2. The prices are AUS$6.00 which is very reasonable. When I hear back from them about what they have in stock of WWB and Wilderness I'll post it here.



Thanks again for that!

"I think this line's mostly filler" - Willow in OMWF

[Kieli]

my apologies, Hush...I've been away most of the weekend. My email is kieliran@hotmail.com



Cheers!

Toni

[Indygo]

Hey all you Aussies...



Seriously, the WannaBlessedBe's are the only W/T comics that you should be having trouble finding. I managed to assemble a collection just from the comic book stores here in Sydney, paying retail prices! Just do some legwork and make some phone calls to local stores if you're a city dweller, you'll be stunned what they have.



Indygo

[infinitelight]

hush30, I bought a copy of Wilderness part 2 from Impact today, but from what Helpful Comic Book Guy was saying, I think I may have bought it out from under you (he said he'd had an order for the non-photo cover but hadn't been able to find it on shelf). D'oh! I'd be happy to send it on to ya if you want it...share the love.



Email: infinitelight@email.com

[hush30]

Infinielight: I got an email from impact today and he said Wilderness #2 photo cover was the only one he had so I ordered it. He didn't mention that he'd sold the last copy so hopefully they still had a couple left. Hey its okay too if it was the last one you bought, first in first served isn't that the way it goes. Thanks so much for the offer of sending me your copy though. That is so sweet ! I'll only take you up on that offer if you really, really don't want it (and I can't find it elsewhere) because I couldn't bare taking something away from a fellow kitty.



Indygo: yeah I'll probably pop into Brisvegas on the way back from uni and check out some of the comic book stores there (Brisbane ain't no Sydney though ). I live on the Sunshine Coast and there is only 1 comic book/collector store in the whole area. Thanks for your suggestions though

"I think this line's mostly filler" - Willow in OMWF

[infinitelight]

hush30, this is the comic art cover, just to clarify. Offer still stands if you need it; I've read it now, so mi comic book es su comic book. Otherwise it can live on my shelf in all its Willow-Tara-y goodness.

[slayer747]

sort of OT: i didn't know terry moore creates 'strangers in paradise'...w ell, my friend told me just about an hour ago...



anyway, wannablessedbe is really nice... can't wait for 'wilderness'...

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"Sometimes things happen between people that you don't really expect. And sometimes the things that are important are the ones that seem the weirdest or the most wrong, and those are the ones that change your life." - Jessie "Once and Again"

[ensam]

my girl was down in canberra (where impact records is) this week and got me "wanna blessed bes" (squeak with excitement here!), which i couldn't ever find in brisvegas.



watch out for impact records website, though, it can be very out of date. just email them and they'll let you know if they've got something.



in brisbane, daily planet had the illustrated cover of wilderness #2 and comics etc had the photo cover. don't know if they've sold out, but they may still have copies...



hope this helps someone.

ensam

bring.tara.back.

[littlesplinters]

Ebay seems to be getting a bashing here. I must say that my experience with ebay uk have been really good, I know the prices get hiked up if people really want something but I think most private sellers are fair and are actually selling things they care about, certainly that is my experience here in GB. The bloke I bought my signed copy from was fair and honest and the whole transatction went smoothly, I did have my doubts at first but must admit it all worked well.

[Cipher]

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Originally posted by Indygo

Sounds like a wonderful premise to explore on Pens! But I agree with your interpretation of Tara's character. In my own fiction I have always stopped short of Tara using anything dark. I too believe she would consider it and reject its use, knowing what she seems to know about what it can do.

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I finally got to read part 2 this weekend. The dark-eyes was not as complete as in the show (no whites left usually, whereas the comic seemed to have enlarged black irises but still had the whites), though given that they used colored irises at other times and they were black in the close-up when casting, I think they did intend it to be dark-eyes for both of them.



The other thing I thought was similarly a bit off was Tara's angry expression in one or two of her castings. I don't remember Tara ever casting a spell in anger on the show (am I forgetting something?). I would have gone more along the lines of "resolute" or "fearful/protective" (if saving Willow or Dawn), doing what needs to be done, not because she's mad. Of course, I'm not sure how that would look in a drawing as opposed to acting, so maybe that's what they were actually going for or it was easier to make her look angry. (Again it could have been an artist elaboration with less familiarity with her character and history on the show.) But all in all these factors didn't ruin it for me. There also seemed to be at least one occurrence where Tara pulled out of a darker spell Willow cast (reminding me of Afterlife), or am I imagining things?



Willow seemed to be casting the forget spell on all the loggers so they wouldn't remember Greenjack and their battle with him (can't have so many ordinary folks witnessing their use of magick, especially outside of self-deluding Sunnydale ).

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Originally posted by Garner

I also tend to think Tara may have used the darker magic once, figured out what it was and then stopped. She should know better than to go too far down that road. I've always thought that she should know enough light magic to end up with an effect that turns her eyes all white instead of black. That is something I was working towards in one of my fics that I haven't gotten back to in a while.

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I came up with an image like that a while back, except I imagined her eyes glowing blue-white (sorta the color of a blue lightsaber) from her inner power (as opposed to drawing in external power) after invoking Gaia in a very big-deal spell that (temporarily) would raise her ability to channel magick (her own power, channeled through the goddess) to Willow's level (dark-magick power, channeled through Willow). But she could only cast white-magick spells (not even some of the borderline stuff Tara has done at times like the blindness spell in Family), all strongly balanced.



I'm not sure about Tara herself ever using dark magick (in the sense of drawing on it with the dark-eyes and all) in the past and giving it up. In the theory I've woven to explain Buffyverse magick as a structure for using magick in RPs and fiction, drawing on dark magick has the side-effect of feeding your soul with darkness which gradually colors your attitude (as it seemed to color Willow's more and more in early season 6) such that you'd be less likely to avoid it than before you used it the first time. I'm thinking that Tara would have learned the dangers of that path before ever doing such things herself (in part because she presumably had good guidance from her mother and/or grandmother before that as well). The darkness is a path that impatient or self-centered witches like Catherine (evilly self-centered), Amy (self-centered), and Willow (mostly impatient, not self-centered) fall for, and the power seems unlikely to lure Tara even a short way down that path.



Of course, we know she's occasionally used a darker spell (eg. blindness spell in Family, not strictly "dark magick"), and she might possibly have tapped dark magick on certain prior occasions without falling into the deeper corruption (perhaps using it for a noble purpose but then realizing that using it is dangerous and wrong--even for a "good cause"--and avoiding it from then on). But we also have to consider how little magick Tara seemed to have done before meeting Willow; she certainly didn't seem to have been out being heroic and all in her past (which would seem a necessary situation for Tara to have needed dark magick--without falling down the path of darkness like Amy did) or else she would have been a lot more confident in season 4.



But I could be wrong, since I'm just making these rules up based on what they've shown us on the show and applying my own philosophy about such themes.

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Originally posted by Blue Pariah

So these one-shots probably deal with Willow's stay in England and the only way Tara could be in those is as a ghost or a halucination.

Most likely she'll condemn Willow's actions first, and then tell her to move on with her life.

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I don't know how they'd write it on the show or in a comic, but I really don't think Tara would react that way. I think Tara would be sad but understanding of Willow's reaction to her death and even of her trying to destroy the world.



Tara was upset when Willow was choosing to use magick frivolously and with less-and-less regard for others (eg. wanting to find Dawn by shifting the Bronze patrons to another dimension), and she was probably concerned at the dark path Willow seemed to be headed down, but I think she'd understand a powerful emotional reaction to something as traumatic as a lover's senseless death. There's a big difference between doing something for the heck of it or because it's easier, and doing something you were pushed into, however wrong that something might be.



Given that Tara didn't condemn Buffy for sleeping with Spike and given that none of the scoobies condemned Willow for what she was trying to do (just condemned what she was trying to do) any more than they condemned Buffy for trying to kill them in Normal Again, I don't think the show would write any condemnation coming from Tara's ghost (though coming from an imposter such as the shape-shifter in Lessons and/or the First Evil from Amends--or maybe even a dream from Willow's own subconscious--would be a possibility). I also think Tara would be very proud of Willow for ceasing the destruction and letting go of the darkness--as I believe Giles to be. I don't think Tara would want Willow to just "move on" nor to continue to dwell on her--either one would be self-centered of Tara, and she just isn't that way. Rather she would want Willow to do what Willow needed to do to cope with the loss and move on at her own pace. The woman who would have understood Willow going back to Oz (though it saddened Tara greatly) in New Moon Rising would not make Willow's future path about what Tara wants her to do; she's wiser than that, and I think she would let Willow figure out what she needs to do, not tell her what to do. This is why I can't see them having Tara's real ghost on the show (doesn't seem to be anything she could tell Willow to help her--unless it was in an ongoing scoobie information-assistance type way or a "phantom-Dennis" way, either of which would seem kinda tacky--and Tara doesn't seem the type not to move on to the afterlife herself), though I could imagine an evil imposter trying to mess with Willow.



That's how I see her, anyway.

[Mrs Vertigo]

Hi... this is going to come off majorly rude, but…



I live in Israel, a BtVS merchandise wasteland. We hardly have Sarah Michelle Geller posters, let alone comics and god forbid (quite literally) anything Willow/Tara-centric. Also, it’s the Land of No Conventions, and, just for the icing on the cake, eBay don’t really ship here. So in short, it’s impossible for me to put my hands on a copy of Wilderness without physically leaving here. No matter how much money I’m willing to pay (and I’m willing). I can only look for it online.



Now for the rude part... *cringes* please don’t hate me, Xita, I know you put a lot of work into the Netherealms and I thank you for it and god bless you and without your efforts I wouldn’t have ever seen any of Wilderness at all but... *gulps* the scans of Wilderness in the archives, they’re incomplete. Even with the second part, that isn’t the whole comics, right? I’m guessing, as I have no way of knowing for sure. It just doesn’t make sense for it to be the whole story. So... ugh... does anybody have or can tell me where to find scans of the complete Wilderness comics?



I wouldn’t be asking this if I had any way of purchasing it, minus going abroad. I don’t wanna steal from Amber and the first chance I get I will buy this comics, as I will anything else that has her mark on it. But for the meanwhile... could you please, please help me?



Thank you so much kittens

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Monkeys are wildly overrated. Ahem.

[tommo]

I don't think there are scans of the entire comic online anywhere, actually. And you know, I bet there are some kittens who'd be willing to buy you a copy and send it to you.

Edited by: xita  at: 9/30/02 6:59:14 pm

[Hemiola]

Mrs. Vertigo--

I know this probably belongs in the "dubbing thread" that we have, but I can't help but wonder what BtVS sounds like in Hebrew. What are the voices like? How is the translation? Is it accurate? Or is the series shown subtitled?

[Kieli]

Like Ruth said, I've been buying up comics from the Ebay hacks and giving them away to Kittens so.....tell me what you want and I'll get it. Email me with your snail mail addy and such. Leave the rest to me.



T.



[edited to add: you can still find at least Wilderness #2 in art and Photo covers here at Things From Another World...still in stock.



www.tfaw.com/comics/profi...&sku=11661



www.tfaw.com/comics/profi...&sku=11668



www.tfaw.com/comics/profi...&SKU=11655



These can still be found for $2.99 so don't bother with Ebay. You'll just get totally ripped off. Pay the lower price while it's still available.]

Love is tricky. It is never mundane or daily. You can never get used to it. You have to walk with it, then let it walk with you. You can never balk. It moves you like the tide. It takes you out to sea then lays you on the beach again. Today's struggling pain is the foundation for a certain stride through the heavens. You can run from it but you can never say no. It includes everyone."--Amy Tan "The Hundred Secret Senses"

Edited by: Kieli at: 9/29/02 9:31:15 am

[Mrs Vertigo]

Thank you Kieli, thank you so much!



Edited to add: and i'll look into the online-ordering options. though, for several reasons i don't think that's a possibility. family. they make you crazy. nevermind. thank you.



and no, its not a voice-over in Hebrew, its subtitiles. sorry. though a voice-over was done once, as a joke, for Hush. it was independence day, and they gave them all funny voices. They made Buffy sound like a complete bimbo and Xander was such a dumbass, Tara was screaming all the time, and Willow was butch. hehe was so funny.

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Monkeys are wildly overrated. Ahem.

Edited by: Mrs Vertigo at: 9/29/02 11:28:45 am

[Ben Varkentine]

Too...many...jokes...

Ben Varkentine

"You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think."--Dorothy Parker

[xita]

Ok, I am kind of mad. I am kind of mad because OZ IS OFF THE SHOW and he still gets one shots, series even, so does faith AND they take place in the PAST.



I think they really need some letters from fans to let them know that filling in Tara's life is NOT a waste of comic.



And I think they mean they will feature Tara as a dead body in some upcoming comics.

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