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Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby WebWarlock » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:05 pm

Ok, so you don’t have to be at the Kitten long to get I LOVE witches. All sorts of them.

Of course Willow and Tara are above and beyond my favorite, they are not the only ones, nor were they the first (the Wicked Witch of the West from Oz gains that dubious honor). So here is a thread to discuss all our favorite TV/Movie witches.



ETA: Adding more reviews and updating some others.



Kiki’s Delivery Service (Majo no takkyubin)

You might have heard Drlloyd or I talking about this one, or at least our kids watching it.

Kiki is a young witch-in-training in this Hayao Miyazaki (Spirited Away) it’s a cute little flick and has a nice story. In my opinion Phil Hartman steals the show as Kiki’s cat Gigi. I’ve seen a few times now and it really hasn’t grown old on me yet.

ETA: I got this one for my son on DVD for his birthday. I have seen it a few-dozen more times now. It is still a very good movie with a great message: Believe in yourself and you can do anything.

Sure, it is a "kids movie", but it is still worth seeing. Yes, Kiki is no Tara or Willow, and for the life of me I can't see what she sees in that dork Tombo (esp. when she has more chemistry with the artist Ursula), you will be rooting for her in the end.



Charmed

Ah the Halliwells. I avoided this show forever. But enough Kittens recommended it that finally I gave it a chance. I am really glad I did. The stories can be campy or even cheesy at times, but there is an honesty to it, like Xena episodes. Plus they do a fairly decent job of portraying “Hollywood magick” and at least pay better lip service to wicca than some shows.

Plus it was the subject of another great Bob Essay!



Practical Magic

Boy I was set out to hate this movie. Well I didn’t love it, but it was a lot better than I expected. Sometimes both Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman can get on my nerves, but they didn’t in this flick. Sure there is plenty of cheese but it a fair sight better than some movies on witchcraft of late.



The Craft

Speaking of which. I was prepared to really like this flick and man was I disappointed. For a while I hated it, now I just look at it and see a lot of failed potential. I mean they had all the right elements (no pun intended) but somehow all they made with it was a mess. At least Practical Magic knew when to talk about things, when to let the story take over and when to shut up. I would like to see this cast in another, better witch movie, either together or by themselves. Hell, Neve Campbell was a better witch in “Wild Things”. To her credit Fairuza Balk now owns an occult gift shop and has a few negative things to say about the story in The Craft.



Witches of Eastwick

Cher, Susan Sarandon, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jack Nicholson and John Updike. Can’t fail right! Right? Well I did enjoy it, but it could have been better. This is Jack at his high Jackness. You believe he is the devil. You just don’t understand what the deal is with the other three? Why do they even care? All I got was he can sweet talk them all into bed, ok that is not the Devil per se but a cad. And if he can do that AND is the devil, why these three? Ok they summoned him….the reasons get a little too circular for me after a bit. Yes it is a fun movie to watch and it is still better than “The Craft” or “Blair Witch 2”, I guess with a pedigree like it has I was expecting more.



The Blair Witch Project

A movie that survived, thrived even on expecting less. Way cool idea, done way cheap.

The story is thin, the acting is thin, the plot is thin. But yet it delivers. That last scene still kinda freaks me out.

Plus you have to love a movie that makes something like 141 Million bucks (in 2002) and cost 35,000 to make. And everyone knows about this movie. Studio execs were scratching their heads. No big budget, unknown stars, no special effects, huge profit.

The witch mythos are a touch thin, but if you get to see the SciFi Channel mockumentary of it then it expands on it greatly and even becomes a little spookier.



Scooby Doo and the Witch's Ghost

Well. It's Scooby Doo, so I didn't expect much. That's what I got.

It starts out well enough. It is the new generation of Scooby Doo movies, so the in-jokes are a little funier, Fred is not dressed like a swinger and Daphne seems to have a purpose. There is a Stephen King like character trying to clear his ancestor's tarnished name. It mudles up the whole Wicca vs. Witch thing and in the end plays to the cliches.

Seen that story before.

If you take it as a Scooby Doo cartoon, it's fine. As a show about witches, it is average.



Häxan

Also known as Witchcraft Through the Ages.

By far the best movie on witches I have ever seen. My brother got this for me. It is a 1922, silent, Danish quasi documentary and it does a better job of depicting the nature of the European witch craze than about 10 hours of Discovery Channel.

I watched it and I was completely fascinated, then I watched with the audio commentary on (not a bad choice for a silent film) and was doubly entertained and informed.

The last chapter, where director Christensen compares witches to psychiatric patients was a bit of a stretch, but not at all inconceivable for the time (again, 1922). We have had the benefit of the 70’s occult revival to fuel our thoughts. Course he could have dealt a little more with the late 1880’s occult revival in his, but I am picking nits now.

Avoid at all costs the 1968 re-release version with commentary by William S. Burroughs in one of his less lucid states (though the score by Jean-Luc Ponty is not bad, if you like trippy jazz). Both versions are on the DVD.

It is very rare, Amazon is the only place I have seen it.





That is enough for now, what are your faves? Bewitched? Angelique from Dark Shadows? Any Sabrina fans?



Other Witchy Threads on the Kitten.



- Willow and Tara's Magic

- A question about WICCA

- Call for Contributors / Tim's RPG stuff, which is mostly about witches.



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Edited by: WebWarlock at: 11/3/03 7:39 pm
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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby urnofosiris » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:26 pm

I like the idea of witches, the good ones, the asskicking ones, so I started watching Charmed and even taped the episodes of the first season. Somehow I could not really get into it, eventhough I like the three leading ladies and their characters. I still watch every now and then, and I like the episodes well enough. eventhough I really like Shannen Doherty and Prue, I think Rose McGowan and her character fit in better somehow. It's that demon ex-husband guy that turns me off, reminds me a little too much about a certain other supposedly charming noble evil demon.



I liked the Craft and the Witches of Eastwick, courtesy of the ladies portraying the witches. The other movies you mentioned I haven't seen. Funnily enough I can't think of any other on screen witches, eventhough there must have been more. :hmm

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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby sprhrgrl » Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:22 pm

I like Charmed because it gives me Rose McGowan in pretty costumes often. They certainly have no qualms about putting *their* witches in revealing clothes. . .



I must admit that I am a Sabrina fan - I like Caroline Rhea a lot, and I must admit that Melissa Joan Hart still retains some love for being such a pretty Clarissa (cos that's my name, in case you missed that. . .)



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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby Cicca » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:24 pm

I have to mention Stockard Channing and Dianne Wiest as the aunts in Practical Magic. They're adorable!

And I do love Nicole Kidman.



The Witches of Eastwick? I love it. Plain and simple!



How about Bedknobs and Broomsticks? :grin

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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby peebrain » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:28 pm

I used to stay at home watchin endless re-runs of Bewitched :drool ooh boy is Elizabeth Montgomery a hoootttiiee!!!



And her mother-in=law, Agnes Moorhead was a scream :)

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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby WebWarlock » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:43 am

I loved Bewitched and Agnes Moorehead was fantastic as Samatha's mother. That would be the witch you don't want to piss off.



Charmed even paid homage to Bewitched in one episode where Phoebe mentions it was her favorite show. While they poke fun at the 50's and 60's mores, they did acknowledge that Phoebe's and (then) Cole's troubles would be the same as Sam's and Darren's; a witch and a mortal living together. All in all I felt the writters of the show showed that yes they can acknoweldge their roots and still do something that is uniquely their own.



But see to me anyway that is the type of thing Charmed does well at. By now it is no surprise or spoiler that one of the sisters, Pru (Shannen Doherty) dies at the end of Season 3. Well here it is the start of Season 6 and they still talk about her.

Dead characters are not forgotten or made like they never were there. The girls still miss their sister and the new sister Paige (Rose McGowan) spent the better part of seasons 4 and 5 wondering if she could measure up to Pru.

But see Brad Kern is a better writter than some people and has a grasp of what his audience wants and needs.



My only regret with Charmed is I didn't find it (or allowed myself to watch it) sooner.



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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby DaddyCatALSO » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:08 am

_Bewitched_ had to have been my favorite show when it was on in first-run. (Yeah, dating myself.) But even then the whole use of the terms "witch" and "warlock" to describe a separate species from "mortal" bugged me. But I remained loyal which is why to this day I've never become a Trekker.



My biggest gripe with "Wiches of Eastwick" which I basically enjoyed, was the Veronica Cartwright character. The way she was both written and played, it seemed she was targeted to be first driven crazy and then killed because she was really the only person who could, at first, see thru the devil's schemes and pose a threat to his little group. But the way it was edited she came across as just a standard "Ms. Thistlebottom" charcater who hates to see anyone else enjoying themsleves. And I didn't like the ambiguity on her death; in the book didn't it say flat-out her husband killed her with the poker ?



Lots of interesting protrayals, all with shortcomings but all worth seeing at elast once. Bell, Book, and Candle, I Married a Witch, The Undead, Black Noon.

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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby kbk3022 » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:38 am

Charmed

I used to loove this show. I always liked Piper. And I liked the idea of sisters having all these powers to help make the world better. It was a great show to watch. But, as soon as Shannen Doherty said she was quitting, I stopped watching. I didn't want to see Prue leave or whatever happened. I'm the type of person where... if someone in the original cast leaves, I usually leave with them. Same can be said for someone being added to the cast, and I don't like them. This causes me to not have much to watch on tv. :)



Practical Magic

I loved this movie. Again with the sisters and being witches. I like this idea. I thought it was a good story, and it's one of my favorite movies. I love Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman in it. When I first saw it, it was totally different than my expectations. I thought it was a movie about Sandra's character casting spells on all these men or something. Maybe the trailer mislead me... Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised.



The Craft

I liked this movie too. Could be because all of the hot chicks in it. Or the getting back on the mean people who picked on you thing. I'm not sure. But I know I liked it. :)



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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby Rachel o4 » Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:39 pm

Charmed was one of my faves too. Couldn't get enough of Holly Marie Combes. Man is she a hottie or what?

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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby WebWarlock » Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:59 pm

I still like Charmed, though I do know that season 5 was derided by many of the long time fans (but it was also one of it's highest rated).



One thing is nice, the Charmed franchise is going very strong.

They just annouced a set of Charmed action figures and a soundtrack.



I never got into to Sabrina, though it always looked like it was fun. I agree, Caroline Rhea cracks me up. Is it repeated anywhere?



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Re: Witches in Movies and TV. Not W/T but still magical.

Postby sprhrgrl » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:19 pm

It seems to me like Sabrina is still in production, but that might just be because I wasn't paying attention. There's a webpage here that says it's on the WB at eight. I'd check your local listings. It also has Soleil Moon Frye, who was (of course) Punky Brewster.



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Re: Witches in movies/T.V.

Postby chilled monkey » Thu Sep 25, 2003 1:51 pm

Oh yes, I like Charmed. It's ten times better than Buffy (except that it doesn't have Willow and Tara). I still miss Prue, but I like Paige very much.



I have just one problem with Charmed. When they show other witches (besides the Charmed Ones), they are usually performing a ritual or something similar. There is a more spiritual and mystical side that is missing from the Charmed Ones themselves.



The thing is that they want to keep their portrayal of magick in a more 'fantastical' and less real-world light in order to avoid offending real Wiccans. I understand this. I just would like it if the show's main characters would do something to show that there is a more spiritual aspect to their lives as witches. That it is more than simply having special powers and responsibilities.



Do you think it is possible for a T.V. series and/or a movie to do something like this? To show witchcraft as a system of belief, but without being offensive?

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Re: Witches in movies/T.V.

Postby WebWarlock » Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:08 am

It's October!



That means the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, the Learning Channel and Sci-Fi are all going to start pulling out their documentaries and specials about witches.



Please post them here! I can't get enough of these. I haven't learned anything new in years, but I still love to see them.



Thanks,



ETA: Comming up on Disney is Bette Midler in "Hocus Pocus". I'll post my thoughts on "Scooby Doo and the Witch's Ghosts".



And if anyone is curious, Charmed's ratings are significantly up this year to a 3.8/6 National. Witches are hot.



Here is something else I noticed. Go to the store and see how many witch costumes you can find. Now look for vampires. This might be the first year in my memmory that witch costumes have outsold vampire ones. Maybe people are tired of vampires and the people that deal with them?



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Edited by: WebWarlock at: 10/6/03 8:00 am
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Re: Witches in movies/T.V.

Postby WebWarlock » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:10 am

Charmed News



Ok, here is something Holly Marie Combs and Charisma Carpenter could have talked about on the set of "See Jane Date".



Seems that HMC is now pregant in real life. Now if she were on an ME show Piper would be catching a serious case of the deads.



As it turns out, the writters of Charmed are *looking forward* to Holly being pregnant! They are even going to work into the story and it will feature into the Feb sweeps.



www.eonline.com/News/Item...html?tnews



Wow. What an interesting idea. Your actress decides to expand her family, you support her and maybe even re-work your plot to accomodate that. Wow. That's neat.



But I guess that is one of the reasons why Charmed is doing better in the ratings than, well some other shows on the WB.



ETA 12/01/03



There is a new TV show coming out on Lifetime called The Coven.

Here is some news. www.scifi.com/scifiwire/a...8/10.00.tv



Plus there is going to be a big-screen version of Bewitched starring Nicole Kidman as Samatha.



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Re: Witches in movies/T.V.

Postby sam7777 » Mon Dec 29, 2003 12:35 pm

More on "The Coven": Lifetime Thinks Venora and Miller have 'Class'
Quote:
In other Lifetime casting, "Action" star Illeana Douglas will join Paula Devicq ("100 Centre Street";) and Nia Peeples ("Fame," "General Hospital";) in the pilot for "The Coven" from Lions Gate Television. According to The Hollywood Reporter, Charlie Craig ("Peacemakers";) and Gale Anne Hurd ("The Terminator";) will executive produce the hourlong drama about, appropriately, a coven of witches.


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Re: Witches in movies/T.V.

Postby xita » Mon Dec 29, 2003 12:57 pm

nia peeples :happycry , so good to see she's acting again in something decent. Pick it up lifetime!!

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Re: Witches in movies/T.V.

Postby sam7777 » Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:10 pm

Here's an index of articles on Witches and Pagans in the Media from Witchvox. It has lots of stuff on Xena as well.



Tim: Wow! I find it hard to believe that there are folks who think magic on Buffy is consistent and/or well done. I'll make certain to skip the BUffy stuff.

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Re: Witches in movies/T.V.

Postby WebWarlock » Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:35 pm

Thanks Sam.



A lot of those were written by Peg Aloi, who also wrote a very decent Willow/Tara essay in the otherwise forgetable book "7 Seasons of Buffy". It is talked about in other parts of this board, so no need to bring it up further here.



What I find odd is how they let some shows by and then dismiss other shows for doing the same exact thing.



Course she is a fan so "Buffy" gets a pass while she will critize "Charmed" for doing the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I have spoken to Peg in the past and she is not a bad person, she is just a little myopic when it comes to some shows.



Otherwise this is a good resource. I'll check it out when Lifetime's "The Coven" premires to see what they think.



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Coven not picked up

Postby sam7777 » Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:07 am

Lifetime gave a pass on the series:

Development Update: April 8
Quote:
CLASS ACTIONS/THE COVEN (Lifetime) - The cable channel has passed on ordering both drama pilots to series. The former, from Sony Pictures Television and executive producer Deborah Joy LeVine, featured Diane Venora as a high-powered New York lawyer who moves to a small town to teach at the local university while the latter, from Lions Game Television and Gale Anne Hurd's Valhalla Television, dealt with a group of monder-day witches (Illeana Douglas, Paula Devicq and Nia Peeples). Instead, Lifetime reportedly plans to go forward with a fifth season of "The Division." The network had been grooming either "Actions" or "Coven" to replace the veteran drama as the series is down 30% in adults 18-49 and 24% in total viewers in year-to-year comparisons so far this season. No official announcement has been made however.
I'm dissappointed but really don't see a need to start a write in campaign to move it to another network or get it on DVD. If there are no shows to watch on TV, I have plenty of other things to do. Fun as it was when there was alot of decent genre shows on TV: Babylon5, Trek, Xena, X-files et al, I got burned out on keeping up with it all. I actually was glad to skip on TV once it all got cancelled or went crappy or both.

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Re: Coven not picked up

Postby WebWarlock » Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:03 am

That's really too bad.



I was looking forward to another show about witches and seeing Illeana Douglas on TV again.



I am guessing it has been scrapped since news of the Jeri Ryan starring "Practical Magic" TV series is coming up.



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Re: Coven not picked up

Postby sam7777 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:43 pm

Yeah. I think it failed to be picked up because Lifetime renewed all of it's original dramas :

Lifetime Announces Plans for 2004-05
Quote:
During an upfront presentation in New York that featured a live performance by hip-hop singer Ashanti, the network said all four of its original dramas are returning next season and that it will increase the number of original movies to 19 from 12.


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Re: Coven not picked up

Postby Footman311 » Sun Apr 18, 2004 5:31 pm

There are a lot of good movies and shows that use Witches(though some times not in the best light) I think that it is very appealing to people



Charmed is a great show that use witches and magic.



The Craft was one of the best magic movies I thought and plus I just love Neve Campbell.



Scooby Doo and The Witches Ghost I mean come on it's Scooby Doo, who doesn't love Scooby? the best cartoon ever in my opinion.



There are alot more shows that have done it, probably better then these examples, but these are some of my favorites.

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