Fahrenheit 9/11

[xita]

oh and the movie is now officially past 100 million! yay, domestic take that is!

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Australian Military Ban 'Fahrenheit'



The Australian Defense Force has banned the screening of Fahrenheit 9/11 on all of the country's military bases, the Sydney Morning Herald reported today (Tuesday). A spokesman for the defense department told the newspaper: "It is not appropriate for Defense to be seen to be supporting any film of an overtly political nature." The newspaper said that the film's Australian distributor, Hopscotch, had received a request from a soldier to show the film. Troy Lum, managing director of Hopscotch, told the paper: "This guy said everybody on the base was talking about the film and they want to see it. ... He also said it was the first time that anything had been censored. He is disgusted. We are appalled and surprised."

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[thx1123]

actually I liked F 9-11.



It gives me hope.Make a bunch of wild accusuasations that are not supported by the facts,vilify those i dont agree with and I too can make millions.



F 9-11 like Bowling for Columbine is not documentaries.Documentaries are about the truth.This is so about false hoods and spin it is not even funny.



were mistakes made.YES. is Bush a great resident>No Is Bush a liar.No.



The same mistakes were made by JFK,who was much more of a fiscal conservative than Bush and who also used our forces(CIA)in a disaterous attempt to overthrow a foreign goverment.



I wonder if Anne Coulitier made a similar film about clinton if ya'll would call that a documentary.I would not.



Moore is an embaressment to real documentarians everywhere.A position is fine but to lie to your audience is unforgiveable.



that said it did impress me that moore has quite a pair on him and I think the Aussie goverment refusing to allow it to be shown on base is wrong.



Tabby

[emma peel]

thx1123, are you referring to Ann Coulter?

Also, you post "Make a bunch of wild accusuasations that are not supported by the facts.."?????

I admit that I haven't yet seen the film, but from everything I've read from the sources that I trust, Michael Moore is pretty much dead on with his facts.

[darkmagicwillow]

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Moore is an embaressment to real documentarians everywhere.A position is fine but to lie to your audience is unforgiveable.

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Moore is a not a filmaker of which I think highly, but he makes no claim to be unbiased and while he puts his facts together to make a specific impression on the viewer, he does not lie in anything I've seen. If you have specific problems with the film, mention them. Otherwise, you're just pissing in the wind.

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[The Angry Lion]

Id just like to say that there is in fact no law that says you can't make a documentary with a point of view. Michael Moores film has as much right to be called a documentary as any other documntary, every documentary ive watched has had some bias, even if very mild.

I dont agree with everything Michael Moore says, but his opinions in F 911 are clearly delineated, and I must admit, that while facts may speak differently to different people, some facs speak louvery loudly in a very particular way.

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[Warduke]

From Yahoo...

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Kuwait Bans 'Fahrenheit 9/11'



KUWAIT CITY - Kuwait, a major U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf, has banned Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" because it deems the movie insulting to the Saudi Arabian royal family and critical of America's invasion of Iraq, an official said Sunday.



"We have a law that prohibits insulting friendly nations, and ties between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are special," Abdul-Aziz Bou Dastour, cinema and production supervisor at the Information Ministry, told The Associated Press.



He said the film "insulted the Saudi royal family by saying they had common interests with the Bush family and that those interests contradicted with the interests of the American people."



The ministry made the decision to bar "Fahrenheit 9/11" in mid-July after the state-owned Kuwait National Cinema Co. asked for the license to show the movie. The company monopolizes cinemas in Kuwait, but all movies must first be sanctioned by government censors.



"Fahrenheit 9/11," which won the top honor at May's Cannes Film Festival, depicts the White House as asleep at the wheel before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in New York and Washington. Moore accuses President Bush of fanning fears of future terrorism to win public support for the Iraq war.



The Saudi royal family has taken issue with the movie for claiming that high-ranking Saudi nationals were allowed to flee the United States immediately after the attacks at a time when American airspace had been closed to all commercial traffic.



The 9/11 commission investigating the 2001 terrorist attacks found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals took place before the reopening of national airspace on Sept 13.



Kuwait was the launch pad for the war that unseated Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, who ordered the invasion of Kuwait 14 years ago. A U.S.-led coalition fought the first Gulf War, which evicted Iraqis after seven months of occupation.



Saudi Arabia, a leading Arab Muslim nation, opened its land and air space to coalition forces that liberated Kuwait, and Kuwaitis are still grateful for that.



The film is already playing elsewhere in the Middle East, including the United Arab Emirates and Lebanon.

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[Hemiola]

Actually, I doubt that any country wherein the film is "officially" censored (i.e. by the government of that country) is doing so because of the content of the film.



No, I think it is a more profound issue. These governments are terrified that their citizens will watch the film and say to themselves: "Hmmmm...this Michael Moore chap criticizes and even mocks his government and its leaders, yet he has not been arrested, imprisoned, or executed. In fact, he is even prospering as a result of this film. How come we can't criticize our government so freely...."

[sam7777]

Bushies like to blankly state that Moore is making accusations without facts but Moore has certainly checked his facts. His Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11 is posted on his web site. You can certainly say that you dont agree with his point of view but he's certainly not lying. It seems what bushies really want is no criticism of the president. Well it's still a free country despite Bush's efforts to the contrary.



I'm happy that Moore made his film. We know that Bush misrepresented the reasons for going to war and Moore's ideas for why Bush went to war are as plausible as anything the Bush administration has been able to give the american people. In addition, Bush is pushing the Federal Marriage Ammendment to take away gay rights in the US partly to take attention away from his Iraq failures. Just when the country needs to be united, he is dividing it using bigotry, a bad thing in time of war.



I hope that more filmmakers show the same courage as Moore and aren't afraid to tackle controversial issues. For me, Michael Moore is a true american patriot. Moore's next working on a documentary on the health care system. I for one can't wait.



ETA: Fahrenheit 9/11 can even find an audience in Bush's home town:

'Fahrenheit 9/11' Shown in Bush Hometown

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Hundreds of people gathered in a rural parking lot near President Bush's Texas ranch on Wednesday to watch Michael Moore's anti-Bush documentary, "Fahrenheit 9/11," although the filmmaker canceled plans to attend.



Sitting before a giant inflatable movie screen, filmgoers from across Texas booed and cheered as Moore's record-setting antiwar film satirically recounted Bush's controversial 2000 election and lambasted the president's response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and his reasons for going to war in Iraq.

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ETA2: Moore is bypassing the best documentary Oscar and going striaght for the best picture Oscar:

'Fahrenheit' Passes Documentary Torch

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Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," the No. 1 regular-format documentary of all time, will not compete in this year's race for the best documentary Academy Award, though it does plan to throw its hat into the ring as a best picture contender, a feat never achieved by a nonfiction film.



"I made the decision not to submit my film for best documentary because, as I told my film crew, let's let someone else have that Oscar. We already have a best documentary Oscar," the 2002 Oscar-winner for "Bowling for Columbine" said in a statement Monday.



He added: "There have been so many great nonfiction films this year, I felt, why not step aside and share what we have with someone else? Remove the 800-pound gorilla from that Oscar category and let the five films who get nominated have all the attention they deserve (instead of the focus being on a film that already has had more than its share of attention)."



However, strategic considerations also might have influenced Moore's decision because, though no plans have been announced, he is hoping to arrange a television airing of "Fahrenheit" before the presidential election Nov. 2.



Under Academy rules governing documentaries, if a documentary airs on television or the Internet within nine months of the beginning of its theatrical run, it is ineligible to compete in the documentary category.

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Edited by: sam7777  at: 9/7/04 12:07 pm