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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SIX - 01/20/13

Postby Kajun » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:33 pm

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Kajun: Like the old joke, "Let's eat one now and bury the other one."


DaddyCatALSO :lmao Good one! Glad I wasn't drinking coffee heehee...
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SIX - 01/20/13

Postby Katharyn » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:40 pm

Grimm - Yeah, they are playful... I was just posting in Kajun's genre poll to that effect. I love to show love etc through comedic elements like this. When you can let your guard down, laugh and have fun you can get to the truth of a relationship so easily. When they're this open with each other (despite the one big secret) I don't see how the romantic side can be doubted (as characters or as readers/writers) Thanks

Kajun - Anya is an endless source of fun. I'm writing her a hundred parts down the line (ooh, she made it that far through the deadpool) and she's still coming out with this stuff. She's a delight. I had bigger plans for her in the story, a direction I wanted her to go in her relations with the other and it never really happened just because there was enough already going on that doing it justice would've been indulgent (yeah, I know) but I wish I could've gone there more taking her in the Amy/Bestie/Penny route from Big Bang Theory...

Tara and Faith... yes. More conversations. Even if 'off camera'. It's not like I ALWAYS do it. I only did it ONCE. It was just a great big once! And no... I never watched Splash. Mermaids do nothing for me... (There's a fish joke if you look for it)

Would it shock you to know that - absolutely - the 'everyone is getting spanked but me' line never conciously occurred to me when I was doing this part? Nope... not at all. Unless I forgot... Happy coincidence!

More coming, lots, lots more...

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Daddycatalso - The first muppet clip I found was from 1969 though that was before the actual Muppet Show. I then switched clips but the 1969 stuck in my mind. Also, the UK didn't get the Muppets in a big way for a few years. We only had 3 TV channels back then. Total! So yeah, he probably wasn't watching.

I agree with you, I don't mind Willow failing to out herself/them when she really is trying. In hindsight, if I hadn't felt so bad about it, I'd have made more of that comedically instead of just agonising over it! But if she's trying, it's okay. It's never her fault! There is something of the artificial about the way 'secrets' are handled here. Or things people need to be told. I mean, I want you the reader to see those sorts of moments. So they have to occur within the lets say hour of the day that the chapters cover. But then there are 23 more hours. Asleep for say 8 and at school for another 8, lets say there's another 7 hours EVERY DAY that they could talk about this stuff. So keeping it all from spilling out 'off camera' is contrived too... (not just outing, but talking about Diana or whatever.) It's the sacrifice you make though...

Superstar? Sure, we'll be covering that in a single chapter I believe. I have no wish to dwell on a certain asshole but wanted to include it for other reasons...

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Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby Katharyn » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:44 pm

You lucky people... another part another day early... :)

Enjoy,

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Title: Tara and Willow – Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda – Chapter Forty-Seven
Author: Katharyn Rosser
Feedback: Absolutely, yes please. That’s why I write for this place, to engage in the discussion about the story.
Spoiler warning: Not sure why I am bothering, really, but Season 4 and Season 5 of BTVS.
Distribution: This story was written for Pens. Pens is its home. No archiving off Different Coloured Pens and the Kitten Board please. No conversion to eBook or other formats please. Enjoy it here.
Summary: Tara has been visiting Faith a lot and the others want to know what’s being said.
Disclaimer: I don’t own any of the copyrights or anything else associated with BTVS. All rights lie with the production company, writers etc. I am making no money from this series of stories however all original characters and situations remain my property. As this is a missing scenes and alternate reality fiction lots of scenes are new versions of those seen in the show, as such dialogue and situations are taken from the show. I’m sure you can tell which. All credit for those aspects goes to the original writers.
Rating: Occasional, tasteful, adult situations and contextual bad language. However by and large equivalent to the show.
Couples: Tara and Willow forever, that’s all I’m bothered about.
Text convention: Use of italics denotes either special emphasis if used for a single or a few words in a sentence OR first person thoughts if used for a whole sentence.
Notes: So, yeah. I have a lot of balls in the air at the moment and not all of them are landing – not even to bounce – even when you’d think that gravity would bring them down. Off the top of my head there’s what Tara is doing with Faith, what Diana is doing (and what Tara knows about that and who she will tell) as well as the fact that the other’s don’t know about Tara and Willow (except Giles who picked it up) and also Tara and Willow sleeping together. You know, all the way.
Yup, all those things are out there and you might be wondering about them alongside the characters. Well, the evolution of their relationship is one thing. I want the moment to be the conclusion of New Moon Rising as I’ve said (and promised) before. That and Willow outing herself (and Tara) are really held up by bad luck and coincidences. The rest… well, this part is trying to deal with some of that other stuff.
Thanks to: All you readers who are patient with all of the above! It’s probably a bad idea for a writer to list all of the flaws in her story… (maybe not all!)


“This is the third time she’s been here in as many days,” Giles said.

“And you’re this counting because…?” Willow wasn’t too happy about that. After everything she’d done to make Tara look as good as she really was, the last thing she needed was Giles being suspicious of her too.

Baselessly suspicious.

The problem, of course, was that anyone would have to wonder.

Even me.

They were the only two who understood a part of what Tara meant to her. And he was still thinking that way…

But What if it had been Anya visiting Faith? What would I have thought then?

“Is there something else you think I should be doing with my time? Someone certainly needs to keep an eye on Faith, help attend to her needs.”

Buffy came down here twice a day, to get Faith out of the cage for the obviously necessary reasons, and she was really hoping the emergency bucket hadn’t been necessary because the idea of Tara down there in the company of a used bucket was almost as bad as her being there with Faith.

Almost.

Yup, a used toilet bucket was better than Faith.

But you didn’t say anything about that to your girlfriend. It was one of those commonsense rules you just knew, not something you had to find in the lesbian handbook which – she heard – did have a chapter on pyschos. But that was about exes, not murdering sluts.

“You’re being careful though?” Willow checked.

“More careful than your lady friend.”

“She’s my girlfriend,” Willow said to someone other than Tara for the very first time. And yeah, it made her smile. It made her smile a lot. Even if she hadn’t actually said Tara’s name.

He didn’t feel the need to comment on it this time though. “She passed something through the bars when she arrived too,” Giles said.

“Any idea what it was?” He was making it sound mysterious, even conspiratorial.

“Well, actually I think it was a bag of confectionary.”

“Candy? You’re telling me that Tara gave Faith candy and think that’s a problem?”

“You don’t think so?”

“It’s bad for her teeth,” Willow said. “And there’s the general thing about anyone being nice to that – that bit-ch. But… I’m not sure it needed you to leave me a message to come out here to see you because of it?”

“Did you actually know Tara was coming down here?” Giles asked. Plain and simple.

And plain and simple, she had to admit that… “No, but you did. She’s not exactly sneaking around is she?” Willow asked.

“No…”

“Well, I’m her girlfriend, Giles. Not her keeper,” Willow said. “I don’t want to be either. Besides, I trust her.”

“And if she wants to let Faith out?” he asked.

“Why would she want to do that?” Willow asked, but privately… It could happen. Tara had an innate sense of fairness that was untainted by the history that the rest of them had with Faith.

Even though Faith had done wrong - obviously, majorly wrong - wasn’t there any scenario where that could happen? Especially with Diana somehow involved?

“I wouldn’t presume to know,” Giles said. “But if she did…?”

“Tara’s on our side, she’s one of the good guys. Girls. She’s one of us anyway.”

“Yes, but none of us is sat in there with her.”

“Faith can’t sweet-talk her way out of that cage,” Willow was full of confidence about that. “She doesn’t do sweet and she’s no where near as smart as Tara. More than that, Tara cares. She won’t do anything that puts people at risk of being hurt – or worse. And letting Faith out, there’s no way that wouldn’t be a risk.”

“As you say.”

“So… How… how long has she been in there?”

“These last three days, I’d estimate she’s spent more than five hours with Faith.”

That was almost as much time as Tara had spent with her, awake at least. It wasn’t exactly jealousy that she was feeling, mostly because she knew just how much she meant to Tara.

No… it was… what? Anger? Certainly not.

Disappointment. Maybe it was disappointment?

I don’t want it to be disappointment.

Tara was… she was in bad company, and she probably just didn’t know how bad yet.

“I’ll talk to her,” Willow promised him. “I will.”

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“I’m not going to ask you,” Willow announced.

“Ask me what?”

“What you’ve been saying to Faith – what she’s been saying to you. I just want you to know, that I’m not going to ask you.”

“Oh.”

“Oh?” Willow asked, “Is that ‘oh’ as in, ‘oh, good.’ Or ‘oh, I’m surprised about that because I really thought you’d want to know.’”

“Umm, the second one,” Tara said, nervously nibbling on the piece of chocolate that Willow had handed to her as soon as she came out of Faith’s ‘prison.’ Candy to make her feel better about what was coming?

Such as her girl making it very clear that she wasn’t asking.

“You think I should ask? No, don’t answer that. Pretend I didn’t even ask. You know why?”

“Umm, no?”

“Because I trust you. We’ve said that all the time and it’s no less true now than it was when – well, when we worked together to switch Buffy and Faith back around. We did that, we trusted each other and we did it. That was us. Mostly you, but still us. She wouldn’t be in that cage if we hadn’t done that and then busted Buffy out of those Watcher guys van. We did that too.”

“I know, I was there with you.”

“And you did great, you did better than great. You did most of it. You absolutely, totally saved the day.”

Tara bit her lip this time. Okay, Willow was clearly worked up and the reason wasn’t difficult to guess. It wasn’t like she hadn’t known that would be how it was and it wasn’t like she’d hidden anything either. No need to feel guilty and yet…

“I’ll tell - ”

“You don’t need to tell. There’s no telling required. Kind of like ‘no jacket required’. But you don’t have to say a word. I know you, I know you’d never hurt anyone or let them get hurt. So… you don’t have to say a word. Shhh.”

“Will - ”

“Shhhhhhh,” Willow said, pressing a finger to her lips. “I don’t want to hear it.”

“What if I want to tell -?”

“Tara,” Willow said, all too seriously. “You need to learn when to take no for an answer. And this is no. No, you don’t need to say anything. So please, don’t spoil it.”

Except… obviously she did need to say something because this was on Willow’s mind.

“Just ask me – any - ”

“Tara, please, baby, don’t make me beg you not to say that,” Willow said. “I trust you. I love you and by the way, Giles totally guessed about us, like all of it, the whole shebang. Shebang? See what I did there? But no one else knows yet and… wasn’t there something you wanted to tell me?”

“Faith was - ”

“Not that, something else. Something about Diana?”

Oh! Yes… that. And it was just as important as what was obviously occupying Willow’s mind. “Let me tell you over dinner,” she said. “We have that left over pasta at my place, right?”

“Sure, I didn’t eat it for my lunch. Not much of it anyway. You know, maybe we should stop, pick up some bread and have that with it?”

Meaning there wasn’t as much as she thought there was. “Sounds g-good. I mean, if you didn’t have pasta for your lunch, it’d sound great.”

“Ha ha. It was just sitting there, all delicious and reminding me of you. So…”

“You ate it, because it reminded you of me.”

“Well, it’s about as close as I’m getting to eating you!” Willow clamped her hand over her mouth. “Wait, that came out wrong and I’m sorry. I know – we agreed, we’re taking it… We’re really not taking it very slow, are we?”

“Just the last step,” Tara said, embarrassed by the outburst but amused by it too. Willow’s frustrations were just as much her own. It was only a couple of nights ago that Willow had stayed over again and they’d held back this time because of sleepiness more than anything else. Perfection was starting to look less than perfect…

There was all this stuff they were waiting for and… she didn’t really know why. Diana’s motives for being here, the time never seemed right for that conversation – something always happened. Faith, was new, that was something else that now Willow really, really didn’t want to ask about, but really wanted to know all the same.

Then there was their… completion as a loving couple. Yeah, that was a good way of putting it. ‘Completion.’

For that they weren’t just waiting for the timing to be right, they were waiting for things to be perfect.

It’d struck each of them more than once that ‘perfection’ was something that you strove for but were very unlikely to ever reach. There was always this tiny, tiny thing that might be not quite perfect. Trouble was, every time they had a free moment or few hours and everything seemed right – even if it wasn’t perfect – something else happened. But this was Sunnydale…

There’d have to come a point where they ignored that and… just got on with things.

And since she and Willow weren’t going to get down and do that in the aisles at the store, she’d just have to get on with one or the other two things.

“While we shop,” Tara said, once they reached the store. “I’m going to tell you about Diana or Faith.”

“I’m not asking,” Willow said again.

“I know, b-but I want to tell you. Pick one.”

Willow was itching to say ‘Faith’, she just knew it. But that was the one that she’d explicitly said she wasn’t going to enquire about so it became inevitable that Willow went with Diana instead.

“Okay,” Tara said. “I don’t know how much of a deal this is. Could be huge, could be nothing.”

“Well, it’s a Goddess who’s walked – and hunted – the Earth for thousands of years. It’s probably something.”

“Good reasoning,” Tara said. “Garlic?”

“Huh?”

She pointed at the shelf. “Garlic? For the bread?”

“You don’t have any garlic? You’re fitting in with vampire hunters now,” Willow teased. “You should have strings of the stuff. Like the French, when they ride their bikes.”

“That’s onions,” Tara said. “And I didn’t think garlic did anything to vampires?”

“Not unless they just don’t like it, some people are a little crazy and don’t. So, yes, definitely we want garlic. What’s bread without it?”

Tara picked it up. “So Diana… seems like she’s here for the Hellmouth.”

Willow let out a big old sigh.

“What was that?”

Everything’s here for the Hellmouth,” Willow explained. “Just once… couldn’t they be here for the teddy-bear exhibition down in the museum? Or for the famous waffles at the Famous Waffles House of Waffles on Waffle Street?”

“There’s a Waffle House on Waffle street?”

“Well, yeah…”

“Really?”

“Umm… Yeah, really. Why did you think…? Waffles.”

“Alright,” Tara said, just a little embarrassed herself. She’d never put two and two together. “I’m not a native.”

“Neither’s everyone who comes here to do something with the Hellmouth. There’s no end to the combinations,” Willow complained. “Worship it. Open it. Close it – after they’ve brought whatever they want through it. Just use the power that leaks from it. All sorts – Basil?”

Tara thought about it. Basil would be nice. “Sure.”

“No one who lives in Sunnydale tries to open the Hellmouth,” Willow commented. “Do you know why?”

“Buffy slays them?” Tara wondered.

“Well, maybe that’s part of it, but what I was going to say was that we all know better – or we don’t know anything at all. Okay, so most people are ignorant of what’s going on – You fancy something for dessert?”

“Cheese?”

“Or we could shovel pure lard into our mouths,” Willow chided her.

“I like cheese,” Tara reminded her. “You like cheese too.”

“But not for dessert,” Willow moaned. “If I’m going to pack in the calories then I’d like a creamy sugar hit too.”

“I could stand some sugar,” Tara smiled. “You pick. But… Diana’s not talking about anything that should be dangerous.”

“It’s the Hellmouth,” Willow said. “Apple pie?”

Tara shook her head. “Just because it’s the Hellmouth – she… she doesn’t even see it that way.”

“Great, she doesn’t see it that way. Everyone else does, but not her. Everyone else agrees – even the bad guys – that it’s dangerous, or else most of them wouldn’t even bother with it. You think maybe something coffee flavoured?”

Tara shook her head again. “I like my coffee to be hot.”

“Like your woman, of course,” Willow said with a grin, spinning her around with the cart too.

“Like my woman,” Tara had to admit, leaning back a little while Willow looked for something else. “If Diana wanted to hurt us… well, I don’t think we’d still be here.”

“Or she’s playing a long game.”

“C-could be.” It was something that she’d considered and worried about. But then the real explanation which she was about to reveal was just about as scary. Scary without being dangerous. She hoped. It’d actually be a relief to have a second opinion.

“You must’ve asked the question,” Willow said.

“I d-did.”

“So? And how about cheesecake? It’s like cheese in a cake. Cakey cheese. With sugar and creaminess and cheese all in one place.”

“Cheesecake would be great. She said that the Hellmouth is the gateway to the Underworld.”

“The Underworld as in… the Underworld? Her underworld? Like Hades?”

“Hades isn’t the place, Hades is the God,” Tara said. “The brother of Zeus.”

“Blueberry or chocolate?” Willow was trying to decide on the cheesecake options while she thought.

“I d-don’t think blueberry is any healthier,” Tara said.

“I don’t think, if I’m eating cheesecake, I’m worrying about that,” Willow said, winking at her. “So… Hades, you’re right. He’s a God. And if he’s Zeus’ brother doesn’t that make him the son of a Titan?”

“One of the ones who rose up to slay the Titans, yes,” Tara said. “I haven’t asked her about that though. You really think chocolate’s better than blueberry?”

“I didn’t say better,” Willow replied. “I was just agreeing with you. We have a free choice.”

“Blueberry stains,” Tara said. “If you drip it.”

“That’s true. But chocolate’s chocolate and… it’s virtually a drug. Drugs are bad.”

Tara had to nod but… “It’s chocolate though.”

“You’re right, chocolate it is. So, Hades rose up with his brothers to slay the Titans and then…”

“He was given dominion over the underworld,” Tara explained as they checked through the cart. “Eight items, we can use the express lane with a whole two items to spare. Get some gum?”

“Cool. So… let’s say for a minute Diana’s right, because I can’t say she’s wrong, why would the Hellmouth be the Hellmouth if it’s also the entrance to the underworld?”

“I don’t think it all works like, logically,” Tara said.

“Probably not, but… the Underworld is where the dead go, right?”

“Uhuh.”

“So… why do big tentacle things keep trying to come out of there?”

“I don’t know, but everything you read about the Underworld says it was ‘in the west.’ I don’t think you can get much more west than we are before you start being east – you know, from a perspective of Europe and the middle east where a lot of these things were written down.”

“Kind of fifty-fifty though. Is it west, is it east? Aha, it’s west and actually even if it wasn’t you’d get to it eventually anyway.”

She had to hand that one to Willow, but the trumping argument for her was that Diana said so. If she had any faith at all in the Goddess then she had to believe in what she wanted. “But lets say it is,” Tara said.

“Yup, lets say that. Do you have a quarter? I have it exactly, I’m just a quarter short.”

Tara passed one across, checking what else she had in her purse. “Well, it’s not the Underworld that Diana’s really interested in – at least that’s what she says, doesn’t say, whichever way around it is.”

“I think I know what you mean,” Willow said, doubling bagging. “if it’s not about the Hellmouth though then what is it?”

“Hades.”

“He’s a big bad?”

“Not so far as the books would say,” Tara explained. “He was about the only God that didn’t interfere in the affairs of mortals. Which compared to the rest of them seems like a good thing.”

“Not sure that Persephone would agree,” Willow said. “This is like the Lord of the Dead we’re talking about. And it’s been a long time, people change.”

“Okay, but apart from that thing with Persephone. Everything I’ve read says that Hades believed in nothing but balance. It was all he’d respect, all he’d accept. He knew his own power, knew what the Lord of the Underworld could do in the world of mortals, but he refused to interfere. He thought little of his brothers or all the other Gods.”

“And on the other hand, Lord of the Dead,” Willow reminded her. “Not exactly a cheery title. Most people – or things – who give themselves that sort of name are… not good guys.”

“But it sounds like he’s not evil. Even if he’s not good either.”

“This according to books that were written even before there were books, back when they were scrolls. Oh, thank you, baby.”

Tara let the door go and took one of the bags from Willow, hugging it to her only to find that the cheesecake was as cold as the fridge that it had been in. “Chilly,” she said as Willow raised her eyebrows at the reaction.

“Wanna swap?”

“No, it’s fine. Look, you’re right – I know you’re right. Just because we can read something doesn’t mean it’s true. I mean… Look at all the stuff his brother was supposed to have done. I mean… swans? Golden columns? Bulls?”

“Bulls?” Willow asked with a wince.

“Uhuh.”

“Have you been trolling these stories for the sex?” Willow asked.

“No, but it kind of stands out. Thunderbolts, killing your father and getting a woman pregnant while in the form of a swan.”

“That is just so disturbing,” Willow said.

“You’re not wrong. So, I know… most of this – maybe nearly all of it – is rubbish or exaggerated or just re-translated and changed so many times that it you can’t believe a word but… I have to think that there’s something to every story. If you accept these Gods exist, and we’ve been sitting in a room with one, then… you have to believe something about what people have said about them.”

“There’s some truth in every myth?”

“Exactly.”

“Or – how about this - maybe no one finds out the truth until they get down there?”

“Could be that too,” Tara agreed.

“So Diana wants what? To see Hades?”

She shrugged. “I don’t know.”

“Is it to… I don’t know, take control?”

“I don’t know,” Tara said again. “She didn’t say and I didn’t see – at that moment – how I could ask in a way that didn’t seem to be accusing her of anything. But she was open about it, she didn’t hide anything from me.”

“As far as you know.”

“As far as I know.”

“So… we know that Diana is after something to do with the Hellmouth and now she’s talking about this Darkness, is that something to do with the Hellmouth? Is it something she’s going to do?”

Tara shrugged. “I don’t know.”

“We don’t know much, do we?” Willow asked.

“We know what we’re eating tonight, we know that blueberry’s stain more than chocolate and that nothing’s much good for us if we were calorie counting.”

“You’re right,” Willow said. “We do know all that. There’s something else I know though.”

“Oh? Just one thing?”

Willow didn’t say it out loud, instead she leaned in and whispered it, breath moist and wet against her ear.

“Love you too,” Tara told her.

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby Missocki » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:44 pm

Dibs?
Willow's freaking slip? Not to be read while eating lunch in a quite restaurant. You neatlrly killed me! ;)
Getting close to knowing more about everything, good stuff.
Giles is the first to know, rather get confirmation, woot. Getting there. It also seems the girls are getting closer to completion. Hehehe. Still intrigued about Faith, what her and Tara are discussing and what Diana has in store.
Diana is still a bit of an egima wrapped in a mystery, but I do feel the dropping balls are just around the corner.
And thanks for the early update!
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby DaddyCatALSO » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:11 pm

Actually, what I was saying was that the little and no-so-little things keeping them from telling evryone are still interesting and sometimes funny, instead of infuriating like I've run itno lately re-reading some old s-f- and fantasy stories by L. Sprague DeCamp, where it's just "Do that and move on!" teritory for me as a reader.
The "e-word" again. Actually, I hinted at it in my "You Can ALmost HEar the Evening Fall" first time fic ("Hope you're hungry." Been starving since I met you." and my beta suggetsed I remove them, which I did (I didn't ask if she thought they were out of character, too cutesy, or what.)
Yes, the 2 mysteries; what are f&T discussing now, and what's Diana's game?
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby Willow_Friendly » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:00 pm

Does Willow not understand that she can ask Tara what she and Faith were talking about for 5 hours and still have trust in her. And you keep putting Diana in two different directions it's hard to figure her out if shes good or bad? Great Early Update!!!
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby Katharyn » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:22 pm

Thank you!

Yes, Missocki, that would be Dibs :)

There's a dirty side of me, some of you may know, that read your feedback and instantly went to 'I did a nipple slip? I don't remember doing that!' Not remembering would not have surprised me, but going there would've!

Don't think for a moment you (or the characters) are close to knowing everything :) We've got a long way to go. But take heart from the fact that last time I left plot threads hanging I felt compelled to go tidy them up with about a million words of sequels. Since I don't want to dedicate another 8 years to a story, that won't happen this time!

Honestly, I have no earthly idea what these girls of ours are doing or aren't doing that makes them think they're not going to 'completion'. Seriously. I have see debates - I have HAD debates on just what the hell is 'sex' when it comes to two girls. And, honestly, I could make a case for just about any definition I've heard already being met by these two. The fact that neither of them knows what they're doing might well suggest that maybe they just think there's always more! I mean, their 'first time' it could be pretty intense on that scale!! I'm teasing, of course, but then... so are they. It just works for the story, but if I was writing every scene where they hook up in any way? I'd have given up...

And intrigued is good. Now we just have to live up to it. Or I do...

Thanks!

Daddycatalso - I see what you mean, but I still say that if I could go back I'd actually make it more of a 'thing' in the story and make more of it to 'justify' the delay even more in plot terms. You can take that to extremes, like Willow's about to tell and - oh no, the shrimp salad sends everyone running to the bathroom at the same moment! LOL. You can pretend I did!

Ha! The E word... I have to say that for a 'first time' story it might've been a little too much on the nose for the girls right then... (though that could just be because how I've written myself into this version of them) On the other hand, that line would make a great 'I feel like I should be saying something suave and clever like...' sort of thing. Ah well, bygones.

What are Faith and Tara discussing right now? We get a clue in the next part I believe (not prepped it for posting yet, so I forget.) Diana? That will take longer...

Oh, and you asked about Superstar last time? I had forgotten that is the next canon episode... And yes, we have part 48 which finalises the 2 Faith episodes and leads directly into a set up for Superstar.

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Willow_friendly - I think Willow gets that, I think - as ever with her - that she's more worried about not appearing to need to (and actually not needing to for herself.) To ask would APPEAR (in her mind) to be a lack of trust. Tara wouldn't take it that way and Willow knows it I think, but she just doesn't like to do it anyway. Almost so she can say to herself 'I love and trust her so much, I didn't even have to ask her' It's like an achievement or relationship high marks...

As for Diana... I referred at the very start to being a casual Xena fan and that wasn't a big thing for me, nor did it inform much of this... BUT it's useful to answer this point. I think you can make a case that in that show (and much of the popular version of the mythology) that the Gods are always seen has having their own agenda. Sometimes a villain. Sometimes comic relief. Sometimes an ally. They're not 'good' or 'bad' because they don't play by the same rules that we do. Or if they do then on a completely different scale. I can imagine this Diana possibly killing hundreds to do something fundamentally good. Or choosing to save one life, that may go on to have terrible implications. Those aren't clues (I just made them up) but they're an illustration of how I see her.

Thank you too!

Some of you may be interested to know that redrafting has commenced on the T&W Do Raiders story. Yes, I am prevaricating and delaying doing substantial work on the end of this story (since I've redrafted everything up to Weight of the World now) because I'm having lots of nice ideas I think I want to work in...

Plenty of time though.

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby Kajun » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:06 pm

Katharyn, Giles doesn’t know Tara anywhere near as well as Willow, and we, do so I don’t blame him for being concerned. After all, he wasn’t told about Angel’s curse and look how that turned out. Still though.. candy? As long as Ethan didn’t give it to Tara for Faith it’s probably safe. LOL I’m glad she made it clear that Tara doesn’t need a watcher or keeper. The gang should keep an eye on Buffy’s boyfriend(?) though. I won’t assume he is or will remain just some random “normal” guy. You’ve fooled me before!

The shopping scene flowed beautifully. They are in the midst of a mundane but necessary chore, having an important conversation about Faith, the Hellmouth and Diana while deciding on the purchase of various food items throughout the store, all without missing a beat. It highlights how in sync Willow and Tara are. Nicely done! :)

PS: Thanks for replying to the poll. I'm thinking of another one. :)
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby faolan228 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:41 am

The mystery, bit by bit, continues to grow, and I love it. And lol @Willow, walking on eggshells, but possessive and protective all at the same time. And man oh man, I'd love to share candy with Tara and Faith.

An a semi-related tidbit, I'm on another read-through of Sidestep, and reading it the same time as this, what really stands out to me as how the Sidestep!Verse kids refer to slaying and patrol as 'hunting'.
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby Katharyn » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:20 pm

Kajun - I agree, Giles has every reason to doubt her. But you raise an interesting point here... Sometimes as a writer here you're dealing with the fact of what we know and love about the girls from a perspective at the very end of the show. Not where we were at the time. Very often I find myself feeling that I should do the same and influencing perfectly reasonable choices (fully FAQ compliant). In part that's writing for your reader and also keeping the tone where you expect people want it to be. But as you've just pointed out, sometimes it's really quite minor things like 'How can Giles not trust the girl we love who he's barely spent any time getting to know?'

I get it, I feel it myself, it's just curious to me :)

Candy... No Ethan involved. And Tara knows about the band candy too!

As for this constant suspicion about Eddie. You probably know me too well!

I really did enjoy the shopping scene. It's one of those times you want to have a 'life' rather than a series of moments that are important and worth showing. At the same time though, there are things that need to happen. I think, in fact, regardless what you think of my dialogue it's one of those things that reflects real life conversation better than anyone usually writes it. You have a purpose to every scene and (outside fanfic) a page limit if you want to be published. Talking about cheesecake wastes that so... often you only give the important scene in the important place with the important people... Since we take TV and movie so much to heart for how things 'should happen' that gets even worse... And - in a way - that's what we all expect too. Chicken and egg. So yeah, I had fun. But don't get used to it :)

Thanks!

Faolan - Hi, thank you! You're into candy threesomes now? LOL

Willow is a tigress in her own way and yeah, she's always going to be protective. Even when she's - eventually - pushed into actually asking her question, that's her. No one else. It's what came back in feedback before. SHE can. Anyone else? Even asking her to? No...

Sidestep... masochist :) Yeah, the 'hunting' thing in there was very deliberate. 'Patrolling' was a very specific term and not the first thing you'd expect it to be labelled in canon, so for someone else to come up with that would stretch belief. So, since 'badass Sidestep 1 Tara' was actually less about keeping things safe as about killing vamps, then it seemed natural.

Of course now that also works. As I wrote somewhere (maybe in a chapter note you may or may not have seen yet) or feedback, I pretty like to see Sidestep as the Wishverse flip side to a Coulda Woulda Shoulda reality now... So, it does kind of fit. Tara and the Slayers would belong to Diana in the Wishverse. Except for one thing that you will see in the next chapter...

Thanks for also letting me ramble! (I should count replies to feedback in my daily wordcount... I'd be so much more productive!)

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby Azirahael » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:21 pm

and, plus: it seems to still be acting up.

So, i liked it, and i liked that Giles is switched on and discrete.
Nice for Willow to have someone she can not-hide in front of.
and that he's supportive. :bow

What i am looking forward to is seeing where this story goes, it's absolutely fascinating.
I like that the bad guys are not all black and the good guys (Diana especially) are not disney good-guys.
I am really hanging out to find out what our local goddess is up to.
and waiting to see your take on willow's big reveal. :bounce

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-SEVEN - 01/22/13

Postby Katharyn » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:23 am

Something is acting up, Azirahael?

Oh, the alerts... Well, you're here now. You'll just have to keep an eye out :)

It was important to me that once someone knew about them that they not even question it, though to be honest I've always given Willow a very easy run when it comes to her sexuality in all of my fics. I've written many things where a character struggles either with themselves or the expectation of how others will react and even how those other people do react. Not Willow... somehow, that was never the struggle they needed to face. So many other things going on.

Where does the story go? Well in one sense it goes episode by episode but as we move we will see divergences caused by some of the things happening. I do like your use of the word 'fascinating' though :)

As for the local Goddess... you'll be around for a while yet then, which is a good thing!

We're not so far off yet on it all coming out - of course - since the pattern broadly follows canon for that in terms of the importance of NMR.

But we're not there yet. Next part (in a couple of minutes) will take use from the Faith episodes into Superstar... My way.

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Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby Katharyn » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:24 am

Title: Tara and Willow – Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda – Chapter Forty-Eight
Author: Katharyn Rosser
Feedback: Absolutely, yes please. That’s why I write for this place, to engage in the discussion about the story.
Spoiler warning: Not sure why I am bothering, really, but Season 4 and Season 5 of BTVS.
Distribution: This story was written for Pens. Pens is its home. No archiving off Different Coloured Pens and the Kitten Board please. No conversion to eBook or other formats please. Enjoy it here.
Summary: Tara’s made Faith an offer the others will doubt the wisdom of and Willow gets some answers.
Disclaimer: I don’t own any of the copyrights or anything else associated with BTVS. All rights lie with the production company, writers etc. I am making no money from this series of stories however all original characters and situations remain my property. As this is a missing scenes and alternate reality fiction lots of scenes are new versions of those seen in the show, as such dialogue and situations are taken from the show. I’m sure you can tell which. All credit for those aspects goes to the original writers.
Rating: Occasional, tasteful, adult situations and contextual bad language. However by and large equivalent to the show.
Couples: Tara and Willow forever, that’s all I’m bothered about.
Text convention: Use of italics denotes either special emphasis if used for a single or a few words in a sentence OR first person thoughts if used for a whole sentence.
Notes: So here we are. No one who knows me and my writing wouldn’t have thought this was coming LOL. Right? Total surprise… More importantly though, Willow gets to be the ‘every-woman’ and ask some of the questions that you guys may want to hear the answers to (if you’re still here and you still care!)
This is very much the end of the Faith episodes (Who are you and This year’s girl) and the end of this chapter will move us on to the next episode…
Thanks to: The people (lurkers?) who make the view count on the board go up. I like to think that there’s a few more people reading than are happy to comment. Or it could be the few clicking refresh a lot LOL. But there you go. I like numbers so both make me happy 


“I – I still can’t believe that you just offered her a way out.

“I didn’t,” Tara said.

“Yes, baby, you absolutely did.”

Tara was sat on the bed, propped up against the headboard, looking all delicious even while she read. That twitching of her bare toes… How in the world was that anything but sexy? And in this environment she’d been trying to work on her paper? The deadline was looming and things had gotten in the way so… yeah, she needed to get her work on.

But for the very first time Tara was the cause of one of those distractions. Okay, not the first time, but this distraction was different. And it wasn’t her toes that had been all distracting either…

Except now that she’d noticed. No. Stick to the point, Rosenberg.

“Baby, you did. You offered Faith a way to get out of that cage. You just admitted it.”

“No,” Tara explained with some very sexy patience, and a curl of her toes. “I didn’t admit anything. I told you. You asked me whether I was going to see Faith today and I said I was. I told you what had happened last night when I was there. Yes, I asked her if she wanted to get out. And yes, I challenged her to prove that she could be trusted and to let you all trust her because that was the only way that it would ever happen.”

Damn the facts when they were so inconvenient… “Tara, I know you don’t know her like we do, but she’s dangerous,” Willow said.

“I get that, believe me, I do get that. Sometimes when I look at her, even in that cage, I can see what she is. She’s a predator and yes, she’s dangerous. Plus what she did… well, even if some of it was a terrible mistake the rest of it was bad and it was wrong, she knows that deep down. And if she’d left town – with Buffy’s body - then Buffy could’ve been in even more serious trouble.”

Willow nodded, she’d agreed with Tara what the consequences could have been. The mind, separated from the body, couldn’t exist – intact – forever. Maybe not unless you were already broken. So, maybe, Faith would’ve been all right that way. Maybe not.

But Tara certainly didn’t think Buffy would’ve been. Not unless she could learn to fit that skin and… who should have to do that? Especially when she’d spent nearly twenty years in her own skin? It wasn’t like anyone offered classes in what to do, how to think if you were body-swapped.

“Okay, so you know she’s dangerous, so why did you say what you did, love?” Willow asked. “Diana wants her out? Is that it?”

I’d been so patient. I was really proud of myself for not asking, even when she offered to tell me.

Tara pursed her lips as Willow turned her desk chair, facing her. Even the way she put the book down in her lap, bookmark carefully placed. It just reeked of hotness… Oh, how was she supposed to argue effectively with this woman? It was unfair of the rest of the world she was representing in this to expect her to carry this burden, especially if common sense wasn’t going to be enough to get her through.

How was she supposed to think when Tara was making her heart flutter?

Calm… just… look her in the eye.

Oh, yeah, great idea. The eyes. Window to the soul and the first thing about Tara that she’d ever noticed and fallen for. Yeah… that would work so well now wouldn’t it. What to do then?

“You know she wants a Slayer.” The ‘she’ was Diana, of course.

“Then she can have Buffy.”

“No. That’s Buffy’s choice,” Tara said with way more patience than she should’ve been showing. Since Willow couldn’t find much fault, since this probably sounded all unreasonable, Tara’s ability to just recline there and take all her unreasonableness – with some reason thrown in for seasoning – was like…

Totally hot.

Look her up in Websters. Tara Maclay. ‘Totally hot’ defined.

“You didn’t ask her though.”

“Sweetie,” Tara said, all that patience perfectly obvious in that one word. “No matter what else happens, Faith can’t stay in that cage forever.”

“Really? Because I’m actually pretty comfortable with that.”

Tara gave her a look that said ‘no, you’re not.’ And she was probably right. “At the moment she’s not trying to get out.”

“So we should let her out before she tries? I’m pretty sure that’s not how the justice system works.”

“I just mean that we can’t do this forever. We can’t. She hasn’t even had a trial.”

“She doesn’t need one. We know what she did.”

Tara shook her head and tried again. The way your hair moves, baby… Good lord. “You told me that Oz used it for one night at a time. Faith’s already been in there for nearly a week. But if this wasn’t Faith, if it was anyone else - ”

“Anyone, say, like Ethan Rayne?”

Aha… that one caused Tara to lapse into a moment of silence. So, she followed through. “Can’t you see that if we let her, Diana will be surrounding herself with a rogue’s gallery? It was one thing when it was Ethan, we couldn’t just keep him locked up. But now Faith too?”

Tara nodded. “I do, I see what you mean. But I want to talk about Faith.”

“Okay. Let’s do that.” Then I can look at you a little longer instead of this stupid paper. Watch your lips. Imagine smelling your hair, you enticing witch. Listen to your well-meant, thoughtful arguments that will totally make every kind of sense except nonsense.

“If she was anyone else, we’d be giving her a chance. You all would, I mean. I mean, come on, she’s only Buffy’s age, she didn’t finish school – even when she came to Sunnydale and all of you were still in High School, no one made her finish up that or anything.”

“You’ve been talking to her, do you think anyone ever made Faith do anything she didn’t want to?” Willow asked.

“Fine, but Buffy has a life, friends. What does she have? Being a Slayer, that’s all. And that was something that was going to kill her, one day. She knew it, everyone had been telling her it since she became one.”

“So?”

“So, how do you think that makes someone feel?”

“It’s not an excuse to become evil, Tara.”

“No. And no one’s denying she’s made mistakes – not even her – but she’s not the only one. Buffy dated a vampire, unleashed his demonic side.”

“That wasn’t her fault,” Willow pointed out. “Gypsy curse that she didn’t understand or actually even know about.”

“But she realised later it was a mistake, that it was too dangerous and they were better apart for everyone – that’s what you said and that’s… that’s really hard on her, but you guys were here to help her through it and now she’s dating someone normal.”

“Are we calling Eddie ‘normal’ now?”

“We are if you’re calling me normal,” Tara said with a little smile for emphasis.

“You and Eddie are completely different. Cos, you know… boobs. And that’s just one thing that separates you.”

“Well, yeah. But you know, if this new Slayer came to town, started dating a vampire… what would you say then? What if it set things in motion which threatened everything and everyone?”

Damn Tara and her debating skills. She was pretty sure she could see where this was going.

“You mean Buffy got a pass?”

“N-no,” Tara said. “Not really. You did the right thing, you were her friends. You didn’t need to give her a pass or a chance, you just trusted that she’d learned her lesson herself, you didn’t need to rub it in and you just got on with things.”

Willow sighed. “And we never gave Faith benefit of the doubt?”

“Doesn’t sound like it. Sorry.”

“She killed someone, Tara.”

“You told me how that happened… it was an accident. Even Buffy said so. And nothing Buffy ever did led to someone dying?” Tara asked and Willow’s mind flashed to Jenny. It’d be harsh to condemn Buffy for it, but also carried something of the truth.

But she had to try…

“It’s not the same. Faith killed someone, she went to work for a man who wanted to become a giant snake. Even if some people thought he had some redeeming qualities, the only way that could’ve been worse would be if he’d been a giant spider – you know, sort of Shelob-y. But even Shelob would’ve been less phallic than that. Big, giant… with teeth.”

“Ew.”

“My thoughts exactly,” Willow said. “But that’s it, Faith killed someone. She came after Buffy, she’d have killed any of us if she’d been asked to. Or maybe just for kicks.”

“And a few days ago she came back, when she could’ve gotten clean away and had a new life. She gave up her freedom, came and helped some other people who were in real trouble. If she wasn’t in that cage now, I’d believe that she’d be out there with Buffy fighting those fires. You know, if Buffy would let her.”

There it was again, debating skills. Making good points. There ought to be a rule that your girlfriend couldn’t make better points than you. But then… she’d be stuck with the rule too. Them being girlfriends and all. Mutual girlfriends. In… more ways than one.

“That was good, one good thing I’ll grant you, but it doesn’t change much,” Willow insisted.

“What about this then, do you know why she came back? Why she didn’t just use Buffy’s face to get herself in a position where she could kill you guys and blame it on Buffy? Or why she didn’t just take it and go?”

“You can bet your life it was because she wanted to mess with us.”

“Well, yeah,” Tara agreed. “But after that… It was because she got to see what it was like to have family, a Mom. Friends like you guys.”

Buffy’s family. Buffy’s Mom. Buffy’s friends.”

“Sure, and she knows that, of course she does. But… it was still special for her, powerful. Powerful enough that she risked her freedom, risked everything to come back and help someone she didn’t even know when she had every chance and reason to go,” Tara said.

“I see what you’re getting at,” Willow said. “I do, baby. And you look so damn sexy lying there telling me it that – in most things – I’d just agree with you on the basis of desire alone, but… it’s Faith.”

“All I want her to have is a chance,” Tara said. “She has to earn it, of course. And you have to be the one who makes it happen.”

“Me? Why me?”

“Because I’m asking, because I can’t just go to Mister Giles or Buffy or the others. They don’t know me, they shouldn’t listen to me. For all the reasons I said. But you…”

“I should?”

“You’re giving me a hearing, even though you don’t agree. You’re giving her a hearing, right now.”

Willow shook her head. “Tara, I love you and I’d do anything for you, you know that. But I can’t just let Faith go.”

“You’re not hearing me the way I meant you to. I don’t want you to let her go. I want you to believe its right to ask the question about what to do with her, long term. And then ask the others. That’s all. She can’t stay in that cage, here, forever. Even if she has to be in a cage somewhere.”

“And if I don’t think that?” Willow asked. “What then?”

“Then that’s it.”

The paranoid part of her, the one that never quite believe she deserved wonderful things thought for a moment that Tara was talking about an ultimatum or the end of them. You only had to meet those beautiful blue eyes to know that wasn’t it at all. No, Tara was offering to drop the subject entirely. To tell Diana that she couldn’t do what she wanted and… tough. To tell Faith the same thing if she had to.

Only one of those things she could argue with.

“It’s not going to be easy for you to convince me,” Willow said.

“I know.”

“Or for me to convince them, even if you use your wiles.”

“No wiles,” Tara said.

“No wiles? I was looking forward to wiles. No one ever used wiles on me. I wanted wiles. Feminine wiles.”

“Will you let yourself be swayed by them?” Tara asked.

Truth now… “No… This is too important. But wiles…? Please?”

“Finish your paper and we’ll see about some wiling.”

Yeah, like she was going to be able to concentrate with Faith, the Scoobies and Tara’ feminine wiles on her mind? Fat chance…

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“Life treats you well?” Diana asked.

Willow sure does.

“I’m n-not sure what I should do,” Tara replied.

“Is that why your paramour watches us and tries to remain unseen?”

Tara glanced over to where Willow had insisted she’d be. The fact was that she actually couldn’t see the flash of red that would’ve given Willow away. The power of the hat. Sneaky? Sure… but this was the Goddess of the Hunt they were talking about and yeah, she’d know what was going on in the proximity.

“She’s worried about me,” Tara admitted.

“Then she should have courage, face me herself and ask questions that need to be answered.”

“Really?”

“Have I not been open with you?”

“Y-yes.”

“And I would be open with her. She, like you, has value to me that goes beyond the circle.”

The circle? Well, there were enough people at Wicca Group now that the circle was pretty big. And more of a mass really with people inside the circle as well as outside of it. And the power…?

“That’s p-part of why she’s concerned,” Tara said. “I’m concerned. We’re concerned together.”

“She questions the purpose?”

“Yes.”

This was a Goddess and she was gathering people to herself from beyond campus now. The signing in sheet provided contact addresses and they were all locals from what she could see, but they arrived, introduced themselves and fitted right in regardless. The harmony in the room when they were all together was… it was getting concerning, yes. Not at the time, not at that very moment when the harmony descended over them. But after, when she thought about it…

College students, soccer Mom’s, grandmothers – men were still very much in the minority, but definitely represented – teachers, civil servants, women in expensive suits and driving even more expensive cars. Where Diana was finding them all wasn’t the question, they were locals all right.

The purpose, yes, that was the point they questioned.

Because now even she was a little worried about it. Now they were at the point when they were going beyond blind faith – no mental pun intended – and arriving at concern-station.

“Will her mind be settled to hear this herself?” Diana asked while the dogs fretted about the passage of a small animal across their path, a flare of excitement about another squirrel that wouldn’t represent even a mouthful for either of them.

“I suppose,” Tara replied. Relaying it would leave it being her responsibility, whatever was said, judging it…

“Then call to her, Tara. Have her come to us. Walk with us. You will both ask your questions. And I will ask some of my own.”

Umm, yeah… that last part wasn’t the way things had worked up to now. Until now Diana had pretty much been passive when it came to the whole question thing. She’d been a goddess. Now she had questions?

Yes, she wanted Willow here.

“Sweetie?! Willow?”

From behind a tree, not where Tara had been looking, Willow emerged. All dark and mysterious in her black jeans and dark blue sweater. Her hair fastened back from her face and hidden under a hat.

“Thanks,” Willow said as she came over. “I was trying to be a sneaky cat.”

“I didn’t think it mattered,” Tara said. “We were just in a meeting with Diana anyway. We could all have sat down and had a coffee…”

Except, Diana didn’t seem to do coffee. Or water. Or food. Perhaps Ambrosia was the only thing that she did eat? Perhaps she didn’t need to.

“Well met, Willow Rosenberg.”

“Diana,” Willow said, warier than Tara was around the Goddess. And the very big dogs. It wasn’t like Jupiter and Callisto had ever even growled at her, but they weren’t as welcoming to Willow as they were to her. Perhaps because of her nerves. It was a shame, because they were real sweeties. Especially when they presented their bellies to be rubbed.

Actually, the dogs and Willow weren’t as unalike as you might’ve thought. Apart from the belly-rubbing, they both had their attention drawn by fast-moving or shiny things, had trouble hiding themselves and all three were very loyal.

Fierce in defence of that loyalty too.

And yes, once or twice, Willow had been on her back – arms and legs in the air – wanting to be rubbed. Hmm, very alike then.

Pleased with herself for making the analogy, she smiled a little as she kissed Willow on the cheek. “I was trying to act as backup,” Willow whispered, but there was no way that Diana wasn’t hearing it.

“Well, she knew you were there and wanted you to have the chance to ask your own questions.”

“Questions? I get to ask questions?”

“You require satisfaction before you can continue,” Diana said and Tara’s face started to burn, knowing exactly where Willow’s mind was going at that very moment.

“Umm, yeah. Satisfaction. I do need that. We need that, this isn’t just me. Satisfaction’s one of those things you’ve just got to get and I can’t get none – I mean, that was the song wasn’t it. I can’t get no… I’m going to stop singing now. But – Look, I can get a certain amount of satisfaction but then there’s - I’m – we’re waiting on the rest of the satisfaction - ”

“Sweetie,” Tara said. “D-Diana means asking your questions.”

“Ohhhh. Oh. Just… let’s all just ignore that last bit of… it was nothing actually. I didn’t say anything at all, let’s all just go with that version of the truth.”

“Willow?”

“Yes, Diana?”

“You talk like one who is touched by the moon.”

And again… “Not touched in the way I’d like to be,” Willow said.

Yes, it was all getting quite… Waiting for the perfect moment was like waiting for the perfect bus. Kind of. Maybe. Like, another bus – another moment – might come along and you were all, ‘should we get on this bus, it might not be the perfect one.’ Then, when it had passed by, you wondered ‘was that the perfect bus that just went by?’

Whatever… she was ready to ride the bus. As ready as Willow was. That was why these little things slipped out… It wasn’t like they weren’t making progress down the street, walking pace… but when that bus turned up? They were getting on the bus. Really. They were ready to bus.

“You talk at cross purposes,” Diana said.

“That’s one way of putting it,” Tara said, giving Willow a significant look. Goddess of the Hunt, Virgins and Child Birth Diana might be, but that didn’t mean she had to be told everything…

“Questions,” Willow said. “First question, where are we going?”

“We walk with purpose,” Diana said. “There is a disturbance.”

“In the force?” Willow wondered, all too quickly and without thinking what she was saying. “Sorry. A disturbance?”

“Something is not as is it should be. Beyond those trees.”

“Okay,” Willow said, looking at her. Tara shrugged, she didn’t know any more than Willow did. “We walk with purpose.”

After all, there were all sorts of problems with demons and vampires right now. Like they were being gathered and channelled. Things working together that shouldn’t have been. It was causing Giles more concern than Buffy who was happy to just slay them anyway, but the numbers and what they were trying… that was definitely worrying them. If Diana could take care of even one of those things and keep the pressure off Buffy then that had to be a good thing.

And there was no doubt that Diana could take care of it. The dogs had a taste for killing vampires in their own, inimitable, way too.

“My first - ”

“Next,” Tara reminded her.

“Thank you, baby. My next question,” Willow corrected, “is about the Wicca Group.”

“They become a powerful host,” Diana said.

“Yeah, the power. Seems to me like you’re gathering people who have the power rather than the ones who have the talent to use it.”

“Not so. Given choice I would have both,” Diana corrected. “But the power is more easily harnessed when your science reigns.”

“Great, yeah. That was what I was thinking,” Willow said. “But see, here’s the nub of the question. Why?”

“To empower them,” Diana said.

“Ah - ”

“In my service.”

“Your service?” Tara asked. Not that she had a fundamental problem with that. So long as that service wasn’t hurting anyone else.

“I require Hades counsel and the way has been… the way is difficult.”

“The Hellmouth?” Willow guessed.

“So it is called here, yes. It was not always so. If you would know more, you have only to say so.”

Tara glanced at Willow and could see the conflict. There were things she wanted to know more urgently, but there was also curiosity for pure knowledge and this was a being that was just chock full of it. Plus, big picture?

“We’ll skip that for now,” Willow decided. “Why Hades? Why now?”

“The challenge, of course,” Diana said.

“Challenge.”

“The Darkness approaches, there are few enough of us left now that I must seek counsel and assistance where it is certain to be found.”

“You need help?” Willow asked. “I thought you were a Goddess?”

“The days in which Zeus rained his wrath upon mortals are long past. We have mostly faded from memory except as myth and legend. No long enough to sustain us.”

“So… belief fuels you?”

“No, belief sustains us. It gives us form. Those of us who represented aspects of humanity or the natural world will persist, but most of them are now formless.”

“Which is why you need the circle?”

“The circle strengthens me, it is true. And my power is swollen by the belief of those within it, but I am Diana. I was Artemis. I do not need anything.”

“Hades is still there though,” Tara said, alert to the fact that the dogs were warier now.

“Who could stop believing in death?” Willow pointed out.

“Hades is not death, he is the Lord of the Underworld. Death happens, human belief insists that there is something beyond and so… there is. That has been warped though, the – what is that word you use, ‘potential’? The potential has become something else through other, twisted beliefs over thousands of years. Your Hellmouth.”

“So… what we perceive shapes the world?”

“No”

“But you said - ”

“What you believe shapes it,” Tara said, “that’s what she said.”

“Quantum theory tells us that - ”

“Science is a belief like any other,” Diana said. “And one that has grasped hold quickly, shaped the surface, but it has not yet penetrated to the depths of the true world.”

“And that’s why there are contradictions?” Tara asked.

“Certainly. The rulers of this land chose to try and explain the world through science, tried to harness the powers of creation to dominate what had existed for aeons beyond count.”

“Adam,” Willow breathed.

“The abomination would not have been possible were it not for the joining of beliefs. But your science has existed only for a short while, it cannot overcome the long held beliefs about the world and what else exists in it.”

“So… the Hellmouth exists because people believe in monsters?” Willow asked.

Tara winced at that description, accurate as it was. Not every monster had an ugly face… Some could even be loved and adored. Worshipped after a fashion. Made to feel like the only girl in the world that mattered.

“All mortals once knew was that it was in the west… now, here it is. In the west. Once we had faded from anything but fable, other beliefs took hold. That the purpose of the afterlife – once the underworld – was to punish. Naturally those who were evil were relegated to it, when in fact Hades offers Elysium to those who are worthy of it.”

“And as we demonised the evil people, ancestor worship in reverse, we saw monsters in Hell. We worried whether they could return…” Tara said.

“We – all of us – made the Hellmouth?”

“Yes. Belief is a powerful thing,” Diana said. “Knowledge is no less than belief with certainty. This world… knowledge is shared, distributed, everyone has access to it. You strengthen the world as you know it, make it more robust. But that cannot stand against the rest of history where other things were known with just as much certainty.

“Talking of certainty… Did you feel that?” Willow asked.

Tara looked at Willow. “Feel what?”

“A change…” They emerged from the trees and onto… a lawn. What was this house doing here? This hadn’t been here… She was sure that only a few days ago she’d passed this way with Diana and – open ground. Now there was what? A mansion? With gardens?

“A change?”

“Stay close by my side,” Diana said. “Both of you… Oh, this is skilfully done. Complete in almost every aspect.”

Tara shrugged as Willow asked with her eyes whether she knew what Diana was talking about. No, she didn’t. But she didn’t remember this house being here either. Not the house, not the lawns or the topiary.

“Welcome… ladies.”

Tara had no idea who it was.

But Willow seemed to. Which meant that bus might not be pulling in at their stop for another night.

She sighed as Willow spoke.

“Jonathan?”

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby JustSkipIt » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:33 am

I have not read 48 yet but am through 47. So much good stuff here that I haven't commented on yet. The first one is the hair brushing. I laughed but also shivered when I read that. My wife is like Tara. She loves to have her hair played with or brushed. One of her biggest complaints about me is that I don't do that. I'm honestly skeeved out by the feeling of hair. You know at the end of Psycho when you see mother and her corpse still has hair? That's what it's like to me. So... I guess I'm glad for Willow and Tara that neither of them feels like I do.

Of course Tara rocks the spotting Faith, breaking out Buffy, conjuring a Katra, etc. Lol. Giles is very funny teasing Willow about Tara. So basically at this point Faith knows, Giles knows, Anya must know because she can spot orgasms happening or potentially happening from miles away and as you've said you're artificially delaying the coming out to get to NMR which I can respect and at the same time it becomes a project of epic proportions.

Muppet Karaoke - Eh. I'd probably be with Giles and be going "but why?" On the other hand, I'm always eager to make a fool of myself and I do love some Karaoke so yay karaoke and anything that makes the group think Tara is ok sounds good to me.

Sorry I fb so infrequently and so scantily. Your writing deserves more and I'm sorry that I don't get to it. Thank you for your writing and your awesome dedications.
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby Missocki » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:16 am

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby Willow_Friendly » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:41 am

I'm surprise that Willow didn't take more advantage with talking to Diana. I kinda though that maybe they would be dig more into her past like her family and her relationships maybe later we can get a insight into her past. And Jonathan whaaaatttt???
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby Katharyn » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:50 am

I knew I shouldn't have ended 48 on the line that I did...

Justskipit - Thank you very much! Seriously, the hair brushing scene is not supposed to be horrific to anyone! LOL. I mean, okay, maybe I thought some people wouldn't be into it (give or receive) but horror? No. If you'd seen psycho and went like that, maybe... Hee.

On the bright side if that's your wife's biggest complaint, you're doing pretty well together :)

As for the comments re Tara's contributions... well, duh. It's Tara. I'm writing her. Of course she's gonna rock it :) And Willow's always great to tease. Far easier than Tara. And yes, your summary is accurate. Everyone knows but the ones who should. I'm not sure Anya can spot the source of orgasms, that's not her superpower but hee again! :)

NMR... here very, very soon... and I've just about got everything in place ready for it by this point :) The artificial delay is only as artificial as it was in the show (less so, perhaps because at least I'm trying to put decent reasons in there!!) But some things you have to do for the story, like how I ended part 48... It's a good cliff to hang.

On to Muppet Karaoke... You have a good point I'd not conciously latched onto, but may have been there. Singing for/with the group, definitely a bonding thing in terms of their trust, even if Tara couldn't approach it with that - specifically - in mind. Good point.

As for apologies... nah, you do what you can. I very much appreciate you feeding back at all. After all, I don't even have time to read the board myself so all those with stories (good, great or wonderful) pass me by without me doing the reciprocal thing.

One query, did you mean 'dedications' like my notes? Or 'dedication'? LOL. You don't want to build up my ego about my notes. They could get longer!

Thanks

Missocki - See my first line! LOL

Willow_friendly - Well, to be fair to Willow she didn't know that anything was about to interrupt... So from her point of view she had more time to ask more questions. And again... see my first line.

It's all just about the dramatic chapter break y'all... After all, the next episode IS Superstar.

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby Grimm » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:05 am

Willow is just driven to distraction with her love and lust for Tara...lol

Your (MINE!!!!) Tara hit on some great points in re: to Faith and Buffy. I have always felt that Faith would have been more had she had the same advantages that Buffy had while growing up.

When Diana said Willow talks like one who has been touched by the moon, it made me think of all the crazy people from Season 5 who were mind-sucked by Glory. Didn't Ben summon a Moon Demon to clean up all the crazy Folk?

Great update. I love how you transitioned us into the Superstar episode.
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby Azirahael » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:20 am

Drat!

dibs denied!

i got the message, opened the page, typed dibs, and suddenly i was like 4th in the queue.
some quick people out there.

Things i liked:
That you wove the hell-mouth into some actual mythology, and showed us some of that mythology.
you actually thought about it.
Tara's toes. (Really, i'm totally stealing Tara's cute toes.)

Things i hated:
nothing. Really, this story has a good balance of fun/cute relationship stuff that we all love, mixed with real story.

I can't wait to the next instalment. :bounce

At some point i have to sit down and read the whole lot in one go, to really get a feel for the flow.
i find i miss stuff when it comes in bite-size chunks.
But that's for later, i've got work now. :buried

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby DaddyCatALSO » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:39 pm

Well, you said you weren't skipping "Superstar," for which I'm glad as he's my third favorite character in the Buffyverse. And it seems interesting already. Did their physical proximity to Diana mean Willow and Tara (like Adam) have immunity to the effects of an augmentation spell? (Actually something that I would probably try if they worked in the Ourverse. I'd keep mine much more modest so hopefully I could keep the counterbalance monster safely in a guinea pig cage.)
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby Kajun » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:07 pm

Katharyn, OMG, Willow really needs to get laid. Trying to sneak up on the Goddess of the Hunt? LOL Not to mention the keen senses of her canine companions. Tara should have explained the futility of her plan. But, I imagine, after trying unsuccessfully to convince Willow to give Faith a chance, she decided to let Willow do her thing. Sometimes you just gotta learn via a hands-on approach, or in this case.. hat-on. :grin

Diana’s answers bring up some interesting points about our beliefs and the consequences of those beliefs. This is getting too deep for me. LOL Diana and Willow each have a mission. The Goddess has patience and isn’t being affected by outside distractions; she’s very good at multi-tasking. Normally, Willow is too but her need for satisfaction is just too great and getting in the way of logic which leads to my favorite line:

You talk like one who is touched by the moon.


Another interesting thing here is Willow feeling a change. Is she becoming more in tune with the presence of powerful magic? I’m hoping Diana releases the hounds on the Superstud-Wannabe. I never liked him and despised him even more after that episode. He and Tara had a lot it common (intelligent, shy, not many friends etc.) but the choices they made were completely opposite. He is evil and must be put down.. or snipped. Where’s them zombie-squirrels when you need them? LOL

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-EIGHT - 01/25/13

Postby Katharyn » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:55 am

Wow, you're all moving fast with this one... everyone who usually leaves a note did so within 24 hours :)

To encourage this good behaviour (J/K) I'll probably post the next part for you today. It's almost ready and I hate the fact I left that part on the word that I did.

Before I go on, I want to add something to response to feedback I left previously about how fast the relationship is(n't) moving etc. Aside from the very good reason of wanting to use the NMR scene (I am sure you know what it is) as the 'perfect moment' there's also a dramatic necessity. To EARN that scene and make it worth anything, there has to have been some Willow-wavering. That's not to say things will be the same as canon NMR and she'll be like tossing a coin to pick Tara or the wolf BUT the whole episode is built around the conflict of what she used to have and what she can have.

Now, if I'd gotten them fully involved (and here I use not going 'all the way' as symbolic of not being completely together - which is BS, they are) then OZ would arrive and Willow would say 'f-off dog boy, this here's my GF.' It would've made the episode much shorter but more importantly taken away what earned the flamey scene that I did want to come back to. Sure, I could have done that and just had the action beats from the episode or something but we are paralleling canon. Not much is different here so there's nothing to justify Willow NOT being at least a little conflicted.

I realise I'm giving away some of NMR (though not all, I very much assure you that you WILL be surprised) but actually I think it's important to say.

And with that, to what you all said in your kind feedback.

Grimm - I think that's fair to say about Willow and her lusts, however she's been that way for a while now! This is not new!

Faith, IMHO, made one mistake - which I've left in place - and it was a mistake. She killed a man and made a bad decision about what to do about it. You can pretty much guarantee she was not the first Slayer to do so and I think if there'd been no Buffy then she'd have gotten a pass from the Watcher's for it. Esp. as the guy worked for a bad guy too.

And as we will see (or rather hear) this girl had a shitty life pre-Slayer. I don't mean that as an excuse, but... let's say she has some cause for how she reacts. I really do think (in canon) she wasn't given much chance or understanding prior to her big mistake and suffered for 'not being Buffy.'

Re S5 moon demon - umm, I don't recall if it was from the moon, but the sickness was called something to do with the moon. Actually, I didn't have that in mind when I wrote it but since I've done those episodes in S5 since I know what you mean! Happy coincidence!

Ben... best left unmentioned... You'll see why.

Azirahael - Sorry about your Dibs! However you were way later than you thought you were :)

Things you liked - ha, that made me hold my breath until there was nothing under hated! You'd be surprised, but I really do think about a lot of things :) Sidestep 3 also had some Hellmouth thought in it (and maybe earlier Sidesteps), generally I've ever been very happy with the canon mythology around it - especially after the portals in Angel which were more like a door. Made the Hellmouth just look ridiculous.

I can just see you there with Tara... 'Got your Toes!'

Thanks so much

Daddcatalso - Umm, seriously Jonathan is your third favourite character? Oh... well... LOL

It will all be laid out in the next part, but you're not a million miles away in your assumptions of how it's working. Its never really spelled out in the text, but in my mind but I've thought about the idea that (part of) what makes a god a god might be immunity to the things that change the world like that... Leaving them in a state of awareness of multiple existences and also with whatever power and characteristics they had outside of a twisted reality. So, for example, say Anya was running around remaking the world and - over time - that made most people less powerful or capable (in favour of the people taking revenge) then the 'gods' might be outside of that and unaffected.

It's not exactly fully thought out, but just the sort of thing I like to think about as a possibility.

Nor am I saying that IS what's happening, but that it's very possible :)

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Kajun - Willow needs to get laid? Sweetie, they both do. Like I said above LOL. I don't think she was really sneaking up, just not making herself obvious until someone said it was okay.

The beliefs thing is explored more later, but if you're familiar with Terry Pratchett then you may well know the source of this spiel about belief and needing it, what happens to gods who no longer have believers etc. So, not THAT deep ;)

Everyone likes the 'touched by the moon' line... To me it was just a way of making her language seem antiquated but still understandable. Once again, you see more than I do!

Feeling the change - to me that's like walking from shadow into sunlight (or the other way around) Not much more than that really... but yes, she can feel it. As does Tara. And Diana was taking them somewhere - which we now know in Jonathan. I'm no fan of his for obvious reasons but - as we will get into in the next episode - he is seriously twisted. I will leave you with one thought... Once you unpick that reality of his, if anyone remembered it then... well, what about the twins? We assume they are real people and not constructions in the reality. I won't get into it more than that but... I'm not going to leave him alone for what was done there.

Though I do forget right now what I did to him...

Guess you will have to read the next part, should be up later today if I make good progress (Saturday)

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Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-NINE - 01/26/13

Postby Katharyn » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:48 am

Don't get used to this... I won't be posting daily after this :)

Enjoy... and please note my poor memory about how I ended up resolving some of the things that were referred to in my response to feedback above... Dealt with it a different way.

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Title: Tara and Willow – Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda – Chapter Forty-Nine
Author: Katharyn Rosser
Feedback: Absolutely, yes please. That’s why I write for this place, to engage in the discussion about the story.
Spoiler warning: Not sure why I am bothering, really, but Season 4 and Season 5 of BTVS.
Distribution: This story was written for Pens. Pens is its home. No archiving off Different Coloured Pens and the Kitten Board please. No conversion to eBook or other formats please. Enjoy it here.
Summary: A different take on Superstar.
Disclaimer: I don’t own any of the copyrights or anything else associated with BTVS. All rights lie with the production company, writers etc. I am making no money from this series of stories however all original characters and situations remain my property. As this is a missing scenes and alternate reality fiction lots of scenes are new versions of those seen in the show, as such dialogue and situations are taken from the show. I’m sure you can tell which. All credit for those aspects goes to the original writers.
Rating: Occasional, tasteful, adult situations and contextual bad language. However by and large equivalent to the show.
Couples: Tara and Willow forever, that’s all I’m bothered about.
Text convention: Use of italics denotes either special emphasis if used for a single or a few words in a sentence OR first person thoughts if used for a whole sentence.
Notes: I was going to skip Superstar entirely. Because, hey, it’s the twerp and we all know where he ends up. But the story as I was writing it was leading itself in the direction of the nature of reality and at exactly this moment. Coincidence, I hadn’t been planning it at all.
Also, I don’t get to leave him untouched… and I had to redress the whole ‘Willow and Tara are as smitten with him as everyone else’ as well as ‘Tara gets beaten up’. Guess what. Not happening. (This is my 150 chapter therapy, right?)
A note about realities here… I don’t want to reshape this world, I don’t want the girls having memories of what the world was like during this time. So I’ve twisted how things work a little. That’s explained more towards the end. But chronologically, what Jonathan did was a matter of hours ago at most. The memories of the world he created are in other people… Why? Because it’d get all too disturbing if not. Just think about the implications of some of the things Jonathan had ‘done’, if they were remembered by other people?
As Faith would say that’s just ‘wrong.’
There’s a tiny little nod to Rocky Horror in this, but maybe it’s not obvious enough.
Next though… New Moon Rising and that is going to take a while.
Thanks to: The person who told me I was in writing therapy. Hmm, maybe I need to bill a certain someone. But as therapy goes, it’s not a bad way to be.



“You know, I think she’s fascinated,” Tara said, watching Diana curiously.

“She’s fascinated, I’m fascinated. We’re all fascinated,” Willow admitted. Jonathan was… fighting. Moreover he was fighting like a Slayer.

And that was just… wrong.

Actually you might thing he was fighting better than a Slayer. At least if you were at the movies you might think so, because he fought almost exactly like a movie star.

And someone had made him super-smooth and from what she could tell, it was Jonathan himself. This wasn’t the result of some self-improvement book though. ‘Help yourself to fame, riches and secret agent status.’

He really was that slick and capable.

The vampires that had come to attack Jonathan’s home - only moments after they’d arrived here - hadn’t stood a chance. Flood lights had illuminated the whole place and computerised defences had cut a swathe through them. Then Jonathan himself had weighed in, much to Diana’s delight.

Honest, serious, delight. She hadn’t been around the so-called Goddess as much as Tara, but it was an emotion she’d certainly never seen on Diana’s face before. And… about Jonathan?

As the penultimate vampire went poof, Diana actually applauded from her garden chair where she’d settled herself like the lady of this… considerable manor. The one that hadn’t been here only a few days ago.

Something was definitely – as they said – afoot.

Without being an actual ‘foot’.

A small number of feet, in Jonathan’s case… but, he even appeared taller. Maybe it was the clothes?

Maybe not.

“Diana? Are you alright?”

“Worry not for me, Tara,” the Goddess replied. “His sorcery cannot touch me, nor you while you stay by my side. No more than five paces from me though, or you will fall under his spell like all the rest.”

Willow looked at the ground, mentally figured out how far five paces might be when she had teeny feet and took another step inwards. And… who were the ‘rest’?

“What’s he done?” Willow asked. That Jonathan should try magic wasn’t a shock, he’d been a part of the coven that had almost been burned at the stake by a certain Sheila Rosenberg inspired MOO.

What he’d done though?

“Shaped reality,” Diana said, but there was no time for further explanations.

The last vampire of the fifteen or so that had launched an attack on the house was fleeing, but ran right into the rest of the Scoobies. Buffy was at the head of them, as you’d expect, but they were all armed and all loaded for bear. Even Anya had a stake in her hand.

“Sorry! We’re here!” Buffy called.

“Better late than never,” Giles added. “And yes, very sorry!”

Jonathan just nodded graciously and gestured that there was still one for them. They weren’t close enough to hear Buffy’s quip, but they were all too close to hear the whoosh that followed and then… more apologies.

“Sorry we’re late,” Buffy said, “we ran into some others on the way here and we had a little trouble getting by them.”

“No apologies necessary,” Jonathan assured them. “You did the best you could, Buffy. All of you. Luckily, I could handle everything they threw at me. This time I didn’t need the help of the Slayer.”

“You never need the Slayer,” Buffy said, just about pushing herself up against him. And she was preening… fawning. Playing with her hair, which was down rather than tied back. She never usually had it down and loose when she was slaying.

And this was… Jonathan that she was all swoony about.

“Not true, babe,” Jonathan said. “There’s always got to be one girl in all the world. For me too.”

Buffy’s delighted giggle was just all kinds of obscene.

And even that was still better than Xander. “You need a Slayer’s best friend too, right though?” He looked like he was about to press himself up against Jonathan’s other arm and Anya seemed like she wouldn’t have minded at all…

“Sure, you’re my X-Man,” Jonathan said.

“And you’re Professor Xavier,” Anya said. “Only with more hair. Lovely hair…”

Of course, Anya had used to be a vengeance demon and… No, even she couldn’t see through this… whatever it was.

Suspicion started to sneak in for her. Was it really more likely that Jonathan had changed the whole world or that Diana had just changed them, her and Tara? Suspicion led to confusion, but when she took another step towards Diana, that felt like it was fading. Five steps, she’d said.

Yeah… this really was something Jonathan had done.

He’d always been an ambitious little witch. Pushing them to try new and dangerous things. Now he really had made himself the hero of not just his own story, but everyone else’s too.

“Who is he?” Tara asked while they watched the others all fawn over Jonathan’s prowess. Though he’d initially come out because of their arrival, now it seemed he’d momentarily forgot about them while he played to his adoring public.

Their friends who didn’t seem to know that this was all very, very wrong.

“Jonathan?” Willow asked. “He… well, he’s always been like the very definition of ‘the little guy.’ He ended up doing magic with me, you know, when… well, when I was almost burned at the stake by my Mom.”

“He’s a delightful, little troll,” Diana opined, still enthralled. “A fool, though lacking in the hey-nonny-nonny.”

“Those too. But… without the delightful part,” Willow said. “And I wouldn’t go as far as ‘troll’ but… he’s definitely little.”

“He’s shaped the entire world around himself. A familiar pattern in days gone by, but I’ve not seen the like in from a human in aeons and more to the point he’s perhaps the most undeserving who’s managed it.”

“Sounds like you’d need a lot of power,” Willow said. Her competitive side was a little irked, that he’d managed this and she didn’t even know how. Then her analytical side was definitely curious, even while she was horrified how things had changed.

Jonathan had been well read, but she didn’t remember having ‘power’ as such.

“Not really…” Diana blew her observation off without further explanation and went back to watching Jonathan as the others fawned over him and – from the outside - he was plainly delighted by the attention.

“So,” Tara started, “if we g-get too far from you then…”

“You’ll become like them. It will not last, of course, these things never can – too many people know and believe in the reality that they’ve always existed in. His method is temporary, though he might not know it since he made the attempt. There are better, lasting ways – but this… I am truly amused.”

“But we said - ” Willow stopped. The previous conversation, on the way here, was their guide, but not in the way that she’d been about to describe. It wasn’t that belief instantly shaped the world. More like… “It’s more like inertia, isn’t it?” she suggested.

Tara picked up on what she meant right away. Because she was just a smart, sexy cookie. “The world j-just keeps rolling forwards. You can divert it, maybe even slow it down for a while, but eventually it’s just going to roll right over you?”

“Or maybe you only divert it when it does roll over you,” Willow said, “like a bump in the road.”

“An adequate metaphor,” Diana confirmed. “At least for his methods. There are those who can change reality forever, or at least create a new one. This is not that.”

“So what’s going to roll over him?” Tara asked.

“Reality.”

“Ladies,” Jonathan said, definitely seeming smoother than he had the last time they’d met. Which… yes, he’d been screaming and running away like a girl when the tide of the battle against the Mayor turned in his direction. Up to then he’d been a big help though, plenty of others had fallen by the wayside. Or just… fallen.

“Confidence looks good on you,” Willow said. “Or at least better than running away and screaming like a girl.”

This just seemed to confuse him. “I’m a confident man,” he said. “I’ve written books on it and had them serialised on TV. You may have seen the show? I presented it too. ‘Better living with Jonathan’? It aired right after the – somewhat fictionalised – ‘Double-Oh-Jonathan’?”

“Umm… don’t seem to remember either of those. Maybe it’s one of those things that only exist in your head.”

His eyes narrowed until he realised. “Why…? You’re not seeing me as I really am? Are you?”

“Oh, I know you as you really are,” Willow said.

“Why don’t you believe it?”

Willow wasn’t about to tell him that he was in the presence of a Goddess, even though a simple look at Tara should’ve said as much, but she didn’t want him looking at Tara anyway. So, instead of that, she shrugged. “I guess it’s one of life’s little mysteries. I think the better question is why
they’re
seeing you like some sort of… I don’t know, superstar?”

“That’s who I am now.”

“All of a sudden,” Willow asked.

“You t-twisted reality,” Tara said. “You shouldn’t have done that.”

“No one’s getting hurt, anything that happens – I take care of it. Bad things really don’t happen to people now. It’s better! Who are you anyway?”

Tara shook her head. “Whatever you think you did - These things aren’t stable. You can’t just shape the world as you’d like it. Reality has…” She glanced at Diana. “It has inertia. It just keeps coming at you.”

“Do I – Do I know you?” Jonathan asked. “Or you?” This last to the lazily reclining Goddess enjoying all this immensely.

In her short robe and that position, she was a more and more dangerous proposition to look at. Just what was the penalty for looking up a goddess’ dress?

But was this kind of entertainment what had passed for light entertainment on Olympus in days gone by though?

Quite possibly… If someone like Jonathan could change the entire world to fit what they wanted to be, then what might a Goddess be capable of? Or she and Tara together?

From what she remembered Jonathan was good with books, reading and finding things to help him. Rituals. He didn’t have actual power in his own right, he just knew how to get things done once he’d read it – which was a kind of power, albeit limited. Not the same kind of person as Diana was trying to attract to the Wicca Group though.

“This is Tara,” she explained since he’d asked twice now. “And… this is Diana.”

“Is she – Is she wearing underwear?” Jonathan asked conspiratorially. It wasn’t a prurient interest you’d expect of a guy his age either. More like he actually sounded quite horrified that the answer could possibly be ‘no’ while she was sat on his chairs.

It wasn’t even like they were expensive chairs, just the sort of thing you could leave out in all weathers.

“Diana? You’re not the first to wonder, but she comes from a place where it wasn’t a big issue.”

“Oh… Okay. Well, I’m quite happy with the world as it is now. Everyone else is too – look at them, look at all your friends? They’re happy to be just around me. With my skills with computers and engineering, not to mention with all sorts of weapons, I can make this town safer than it’s ever been – and I think we all know how valuable that can be. Buffy doesn’t have to be the only one who can help anymore.”

“You’re taken away their free will,” Tara said quietly and Willow heard Diana scoff. Just as if, perhaps, she didn’t believe in that as a concept anyway.

“No. No, I haven’t,” Jonathan said, almost desperate for approval, for them to see it his way. Like everyone else would now, even if he admitted it? “I’ve only changed how they see me, how everyone sees me – isn’t it an improvement?”

“Buffy’s simpering after you,” Willow said. “And – no offence – but that’s not something she’d do… No, wait…” There was Eddie of course. Was Jonathan really that far removed from him in terms of BBM? Buffy-Boyfriend-Material? Surely not.

“I have girlfriends now,” Jonathan said. “I really don’t need – or want – Buffy reacting that way to me. The twins are all I need.”

“Twins?” Willow asked, almost impressed. Almost apart from the sinking feeling about what that might really mean.

“They adore me.”

“And… did they adore you before?” Willow asked.

“Not as such, but I lifted them out of a life that was no good for them and - ”

“Made them love you,” Tara said. Willow could just tell where that disapproval was – quite rightly – going. Twins, undoubtedly attractive, who adored him… no prizes for guessing whether he’d kept it in his pants or not. And that was just… That was beyond wrong. Plus the whole sisters thing to make it even creepier…

Jonathan frowned. “I hadn’t… I hadn’t thought about it that way.”

“Well, you should.”

“Jonathan?” Giles came forwards, looking embarrassed to be the one who did so. He kept a respectful distance though, at least ten steps from Diana, even if he was closer to Jonathan.

“Hey, G-Man. How’s it hanging?”

Willow rolled her eyes, mostly at Giles’ reaction to the easy familiarity. He was delighted just to be addressed by the big man of diminutive stature. “Very good, thank you. How’s it hanging for you?”

“To the left, to the left…”

“Excellent! To the left… Yes.” Was… was Giles really adjusting himself to match? Oh… No.

“What can I do for you G-Man?”

“Well, I – that is we - we feel that we may have made some progress on our research into the conversion of demons, vampires and the like, how Adam might be bringing them to him. I’d – that is we’d really appreciate your opinion on it? Obviously it may not be very good – by your standards.”

“I’m sure it’s great,” Jonathan said. “And absolutely, you know that the safety of the people of Sunnydale is always my absolute top priority.”

“Even when you were filming in China,” Giles said. “We were all very impressed when you flew back to deal with the Master.”

“Least I could do, least I could do. I felt guilty for leaving things that long. Some people got hurt for my film career and that’s just not right.”

“Don’t be too hard on yourself,” Giles said. “You helped a lot of people. The President didn’t make you Ambassador at large because of what you do just in Sunnydale.”

“No,” Willow said, finally so exasperated that she had to speak up, talk some sense into him. “He didn’t do anything!”

“You’re right,” Giles said. “He did… everything.”

“You’re undoing this,” Willow said, pulling Jonathan back to them. “Otherwise, I’m going to get Buffy to come over here and see you in the clear light of day. How would that be… think she’d be very happy?”

“Or the twins,” Tara said more pointedly.

“Or them… because I don’t even want to think about what you’ve been doing with them. I just know that it’s… so, so wrong. And it stops. Tonight.”

“What… what are you going to do?”

“End this,” Tara and Willow said at the same time.

“Just like that, don’t I get to say anything?”

“No, you don’t,” again they both said it together.

“You should not concern yourselves,” Diana said. “Reality will correct itself, in all things there are consequences and those will catch up him soon enough.”

“I think that means there’s an equal and opposite reaction,” Willow said.

“No…” Jonathan gasped. “Not again - ”

“Yes,” Diana said. “In fact… here it is.”

Stepping out of the bushes, where they’d come from, was another demon. Some sort of creature she’d never seen before. Diana appeared unconcerned and since she was so did the hounds, but Jonathan seemed to know what it was. “No…”

“What is that?” Willow asked. The dogs were both laid down, ear pricked but little else seemed to concern them and they were only mirroring the Goddess’ reaction.

“Reality,” Diana said. “He knows, though he changed things only this day, he remembers so much more… including this.”

As explanations went, it wasn’t a doozy.

“Here,” the Goddess said. “See?”

She raised her hand and a small ball of… no, not a ball. Something circular – no - more like a lens actually. And when Willow bent her head to look through it the features of the landscape were the same but different. It was still night, but the neatly trimmed lawn was a mess of brambles and weeds and scrub, what she’s expected to find here. And the creature… It was an onrushing burst of reality when viewed through there. Swirls of images, colours and… flashes that seemed familiar. A Jonathan that she recognised, not the suave, black clad gentleman who’d so impressed the others… She saw him as he really was.

But the others didn’t see him that way. “Jonathan!” Buffy sounded more panicked than she should by the presence of the giant monster.

As far as she knew though… she’d been putting her faith in a young man who’d not so long ago been so disconnected from other people that he’d taken to the clock tower with a rifle. Not exactly the most stable chocolate in the box.

“Get it, Buffy,” Willow said.

“Do you want me to Jonathan? I mean, I can – but you’re so much better and it is your house and all.”

“Why don’t you take this one, Buff?” he asked, sounding discomfited and – despite his performance against the vampires – a little afraid.

As if he couldn’t fight it…

“Do you really think I can?”

“Jonathan,” Giles said. “No offence to Buffy, who really is quite capable, but since you’re here… it really would be more productive if you were the one to deal with the creature.”

The creature in question roared its challenge, but otherwise was coming right for them in that sort of shambling walk of a movie psycho with a machete. Willow shivered; the bellow it had made was animalistic, devoid of any real understanding. And not like most demons where you knew that – in their own world – they were probably quite conversant.

This thing was just… mindless. All it had going on in there was crush, kill, destroy.

“It’s important,” Jonathan said, more nervous than he’d been in that fight with all the vampires, “that Buffy gets into the habit of dealing with these kinds of denizens of the nightmare realms. I can’t always be around, sometimes I’ll be needed elsewhere.”

“Of course, you’re right,” Giles said, then apologised to Buffy, who didn’t seem to mind. In fact she seemed to be thinking on the same lines as Giles. It was twisted and disturbing.

“Buffy…” Willow warned, the creature – whatever you wanted to call it – was getting closer.

But Buffy had found her courage, as low as it had become in an imagined reality of reliance on Jonathan, and charged into the fray. After all she was still the Slayer. She was strong, fast and could beat on this lumbering creature all day except…

Nothing she did seemed to have much effect and eventually it caught her, throwing her backwards and leaving her rubbing her already damaged ribs.

“Don’t worry, Buffy,” Jonathan said, sounding all the more suave again now. “I’ve got your back and you’re just doing great.”

“It’s… the other side of him,” Willow murmured to herself, but she could tell that Diana had heard her. The satisfied little smile betrayed that she’d guessed – no she’d surmised - correctly. “It’s the evil-trollish side of him.”

Tara heard her and picked up on what she meant this time. “Everything that’s bad…” They could see it through the lens that Diana had conjured. That was why not only the world looked different, but also the creature – reflecting the sides of Jonathan that she remembered and knew. All of that…

And watching the course of the fight, when Buffy had taken that terrible blow, Jonathan had appeared suave and in control again. When Buffy was up, beating on the creature like it deserved to be beaten, he appeared less assured and more of the dweeb.

“You know what this is,” Willow hissed at him. “You end this. Now.”

“I can’t!”

“Yes, you can,” she insisted. “You must be able to.”

“Okay, I’ve shaped reality, Willow. It’s changed and… this – that - that is the cost.”

“What? That people you consider your friends get to fight your alter ego? The Mr Hyde to your Dr Jackal? Would it have come after someone other than Buffy? What if it had come for Xander or Anya or… someone who couldn’t fight back?”

“Now, Willow,” he tried, wanting to sound more reasonable.

“Don’t you dare try that with me,” she said. “Your smarm doesn’t have any effect on me. You need to stop this; you need to put things right and change things back.”

“I don’t know how,” Jonathan insisted. “Destroy the creature, maybe… but there wasn’t any ‘reverse this spell’ instruction in the book.”

“Diana?” Willow asked, frustrated with him but believing that he didn’t know what to do about it. He was panicked, even when the creature was winning and he should be feeling ‘better’. Destroying the creature was a great idea but if Buffy wasn’t managing it then… Maybe a Goddess could.

“Is there something I can do for you? You have only to ask.”

“End this, please?”

“Reality will re-establish itself. It almost always does.”

“Until then, people could get hurt. People who don’t have anything to do with us. People who’d… people who might believe in you? People from the circle perhaps – starting with us!”

The creature, tossing Buffy aside once again made for her and Tara and – once it stepped within a certain distance of Diana – she didn’t even need the lens to see it as it was. A whirling phantasm, not physical at all, but in the twisted form of Jonathan. Though for something that didn’t appear physical – she jumped to the side as it smashed an arm down at her and… into Diana’s sphere of influence.

“What – what is that thing? Why did it change?” Buffy asked, chasing after it.

“Oh, it’s like the side effect of - ” Willow started to explain but was cut off. Partly by the advance of the creature, but just as much by Tara letting her know this wasn’t the time for inevitable questions, not when they could get hurt.

“Buffy, don’t step far from Diana,” Tara said. “And k-kill it. Everything will get back to normal. Right?” She looked at Diana, as did Willow, asking the question.

“But - ”

“You’re confused,” Tara said, her voice not wavering in the slightest now that time was pressing. “But you don’t have to be. Stay close to Diana and everything is real… It’s like a bubble. Out there…”

“Whackiness ensues,” Willow supplied.

“Whackiness, right,” Buffy agreed, seeming to take that at face value for now. Explanations would no doubt be required later. Now though… Monster. Beating. Quips. “Come on, big boy… let’s get this done.”

With her reliance of Jonathan seemingly lessened by proximity to the Goddess, Buffy’s attack on it was even more ferocious – but she was being careful to protect her damaged ribs all the same.

The fight did lead to her and Tara dodging around Diana and the dogs, uncertain how far away they could get but finding out when… Willow stepped outside the unseen boundary and a profound sense of… Jonathan overtook her, only to be pulled back in by Tara who she then pushed out of the way as Slayer and monster came crashing through the same space they’d occupied.

“Thanks,” Tara breathed, picking herself up.

“I want to help, I think we should help,” Willow said. But she wasn’t sure how. Anything she could do would just draw its attention, in a very confined space and might risk inconveniencing – or hurting – Buffy.

“We c-could stay -” Tara shrieked as the monster was tripped and almost fell into her. “We could stay out of the way,” she said, embarrassed by her cry of alarm

And then they saw where the creature had landed. Jonathan’s negative side, his dark side if you liked, was sprawled across Diana.

“Ohhh… shoot.”

The gentle amusement that the immortal had shown so far was replaced by something approaching anger and then by action. The creature was thrown back bodily, with Diana barely seeming to have moved. Then she unfurled herself from the chair, rising lithely to her feet. Moving in a way that wasn’t intended to be sexual, but if it had been Tara that had managed it to look that way…

Well, that would’ve been all very hubba, hubba.

“Wait - ” Tara said. Willow couldn’t see why, Diana could take care of this; she didn’t doubt it in the slightest. “Jonathan,” her girlfriend explained.

He’d slipped to his knees in the same move as the monster was thrown aside. “Might it kill him?” Willow asked.

Tara shrugged helplessly, not knowing and apparently Diana didn’t care. She’d been inconvenienced, which was about the only way of putting it. An accident had roused her to greater anger than a threat to any of them had. Much as she might want to see this ended… not at the cost of Jonathan’s life.

No matter what he’d done to the world, what people had been compelled into believing or what had actually happened…

Tara had – rightly – been very exercised about what had happened to those girls who’d found suddenly found Jonathan irresistible, but it occurred to Willow that – maybe – nothing had ‘happened’.

They thought it had, they believed it right now – wherever they were - but they were here right at the beginning of this. Nothing had been this way even an hour before… now it was.

What Jonathan believed, what everyone else believed, hadn’t really happened. Yet… Right?

Those girls hadn’t yet been conned into his bed, not for real. They thought they’d gone there happily. Disturbing as that might be in all sorts of other ways, it removed one more crime from the charge sheet. Protecting them and everyone else was all about what would happen if this reality was allowed to persist, if it was allowed to truly encompass the world.

Then, yes, Jonathan would have actually done some of the things that people only believed now. Memories would be real.

But would this creature rampage forever? Jonathan’s inadequacy personified?

No, because Diana was pissed now and she was no longer willing to accept the reality in which this thing existed.

Tara was helping Jonathan up, which was just like her – especially when she didn’t know him except as the man who’d conjured a reality and a monster as a consequence.

Willow was paying attention to Diana though. This was an opportunity to see what she could – and would – do when she lost her temper, having seen just how short that was when she was personally inconvenienced. Worrying much?

The creature was pure rage, it wasn’t going to run. She wouldn’t be hunting it down. Nor were the dogs either bothered or paying much attention. One of them pushed its nose at the back of her hand, more interested in licking at that than helping their mistress. Maybe there was the scent of a little bit of the sauce from dinner on her hand. Meanwhile Diana was easily beating on the thing.

It wasn’t a martial art, no leaping, no chops or flying kicks. No, it was all more practical and natural than that. Diana had probably never needed to learn how to fight. She’d either come into being this way, or she’d just done it – won – and continued to do the same thing.

Blows from the creature that should’ve snapped someone’s arm were avoided without any obvious effect and the returned blows rocked the massively muscled creature back more than physics should’ve allowed. Equal and opposite reactions and all that… Umm, not in this case.

But then she was a Goddess (wasn’t she?) and this was a very practical demonstration of that. It was almost lazily done, if lazy could have a tinge of fury. On the other hand Diana couldn’t be ignoring the threat it posed or else she wouldn’t have to worry about being hit at all. No, she’d have waded in and ripped its head off or something.

Or… The brutal snap cut through all of them as Diana, having brought it to its knees, looped one slim around a neck that was about three times as thick and jerked and…

It was a good job that Tara had hold of Jonathan when it happened because he – and the world around them – collapsed.

“Umm,” Giles said. “Would someone like to explain exactly what was going on? And why we’re stood in a pond?"

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-NINE - 01/26/13

Postby Azirahael » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:38 am

Dibs!

Helpful criticism:
p;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;llllllllllkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkjjjjjjjjjjjjjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgggggggggd :moo

That, by the way, is the sound of soft toys falling on the keyboard, apparently they thought it necessary to weigh in.
see what i did there?

Momentum/Inertia: tricky when you're talking about reality, but inertia is an object's resistance to being moved, momentum is an object's resistance to stopping moving. so i think in this context, you probably want to be using momentum to describe reality squishing/rolling over someone.

In her short robe that was a more and more dangerous proposition to look at her too.


I get what you're saying: tricky to look at safely, because eek!
but i think the sentence could use a little punctuation love.
maybe something like: In her short robe, it was becoming a dangerous proposition to look at her.
or: The Goddess's robe was so short, that her reclining made it quite tricky to look at without awkwardness.
or something.

Just thought i'd take a stab at being helpful, rather than simply saying "Awesome, as always."

Hope it helps. :flower

Not sure about how you're gonna make NMR work though.
i mean, i totally get what you're saying about earning it.
plus a good bit of angst makes the reader/viewer feel some of the happy that our girls feel when stuff is sorted out.

but this Willow seems a good bit more advanced in terms of "I like Tara in that special way" than canon Willow.
i am def looking forward to seeing how you handle adding in the tension and "but what if's" :bow

Looking forward to the next bit, whenever it happens.

Love and cuddles!

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-NINE - 01/26/13

Postby Willow_Friendly » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:23 am

Love your take on Superstar and how Diana created a barrier for the three of them so Willow and Tara won't get caught in Jonathan's spell. You can really sympathize with Jonathan he just wants people to like him and to be happy even though he did it the wrong way.
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-NINE - 01/26/13

Postby Grimm » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:41 am

I liked this SO MUCH better than Tara getting beat to a bloody pulp while spending the night huddled on a dirty closet floor.

Giles readjusting himself was just.........ewwww...lol

Note to self: NEVER inconvenience a Goddess :laugh.

BRING ON NEW MOON RISING!!!!!!!! :banana
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-NINE - 01/26/13

Postby Kajun » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:52 pm

Katharyn, I can’t believe you managed to make me like this episode. Well.. yeah I can. :wink My last feedback had this whole rant about the dweeb and what he did to the twins but I decided not to go there. I’m glad you set it up so that nothing actually happened to them and that Willow and Tara weren’t victims of his debauchery. Even in your version, I have no sympathy for the dirt-bag.

I loved the idea of Diana lounging in the yard and enjoying the show. If she ate food, she’d probably have welcomed a tub of popcorn and refreshing cola! Diana thought it was amusing but I don’t see her having much tolerance for mindless idiots fawning all over her. A great leader empowers her “subjects” which is what she is teaching Tara and the Wicca group. Anyhoo.. not that the Goddess needed points but saving the gang from the dweeb has gotta add a few in her favor.

Damn.. this chapter was a LOT of fun!!
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-NINE - 01/26/13

Postby Katharyn » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:21 am

Azirahael - Helpful, constructive, criticism.

You broke the board :D

Well, you stretched it a lot... LOL. Nice to see it edited down now :)

I've fixed the punctuation in that line, thanks, but I've left momentum/inertia because actually that still works. The lesson to be learned here is that the characters aren't always right in what they say/do/think :) Thanks

Honestly, when I first read your thoughts on NMR, I couldn't have told you what I did. I'd forgotten. But I've just prepped the next part so now I do know... Its a very fine line to run. But you know my intentions so even if the story goes awry (you may read different to how I write as always) I have that get out!

Thanks again

Willow_friendly - Thanks so much, though - to clarify - Diana didn't strictly 'create' a barrier. It simply existed around her. Like the influence of that reality couldn't touch her. That was what I intended anyway. And about Jonathan... yeah. I had to explain his crimes away. In canon it was much less clear what really happened and how much he'd really 'done'. I think you can say pretty clearly he'd actually done some of the things I alluded to and removed from consideration by having the whole episode take less than an hour.

Grimm - Hey, it's me! As if I was going to do that to Tara... And Giles? Well, that had to be the most shocking character to do that.

Your note to yourself is well taken... :)

Thanks

Kajun - I think keeping it short probably helped. After all, dragging superstar out to be more like the episode would've inserted all those problems I've alluded to... or made them harder to avoid. And - actually - it's not like I enjoy writing about this character in the slightest... Best done quickly. All you can say is it was marginally better as an episode than 'Where the wild things are' which we will be skipping entirely.

And you're not supposed to have sympathy for him...

I see Diana more as a peeled grape girl... but I don't much like her 'saving the day' too much as it creates a dependency. This time, she was both convenient but it also brought her back into the story after some time. That's always useful...

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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-NINE - 01/26/13

Postby Missocki » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:49 am

Okay, let's try this again. I was in the middle of leaving some feedback and it got lost. Grumble.

Crazy update! I loved this version of the events of superstar! Diana just sitting there having a grand ole time until the demon touched her ha! Don't why that has tickled me so.
The entirety if this series of events was much better than the show's in my huble opinion. Mostly because our Tara didn't get beaten up and locked in a closet all night. I'm also in the leave Tara alone and be nice to her camp!

We are so close to nmr eek! I am on pins and needles to see how you have events unfold. Just so excited! I can't wait! Well, I can wait obviously, but I don't have to like it ;)
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Re: Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda - CHAPTER FORTY-NINE - 01/26/13

Postby DaddyCatALSO » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:16 am

Really good chapter, and glad that's all settled.Interesting backstory on Jonathan - and on tying what happened here to your overall metaphysical assumptions in the story. That he was already involved with the magick groups in high school, that he'd never met Tara in any college classes or activities. MAkes sense that there would be an island of immunity around Diana, and fits the tone of the story that it lasted only hours instead of days (a week?)
(As to his being my 3rd favorite character, well, I identify with him in so many ways- not physically, I've never been suicidal, and his joining the Trio showed his lack of basic morality, but so many of the other things that happened to him over the course of the show seemed like something I could fell a strong empathy/sympathy for. And, as you'll see if I ever get enough chapters of "Snapshots" posted, in my mian ficverse I marry him off to my 2nd favorite character.) And what you said about his having a knack for studying and remembering spells and performing rituals is danr close to how I've used him in fics.

Interesting and important insight into Diana's actual view of things here; she's friendly force but not exactly an ally.
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