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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby SJ » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:23 am

Great writing.
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby Füchsin » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:25 am

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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby taranwillow4ever » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:57 am

As usual Never, this is spectacular.
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby AmberGoddess » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:46 am

Ooooooooh... Can't something go right? Just once? One little guilt-free smut scene that makes everyone feel better while advancing the (very good) story? Oh well, this was really good as it is. Can't wait for more!
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby Morrigan » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:56 pm

I rather enjoyed the storytime, as always.

It is a very different process, reading it here, and hearing it in chat. I like the dichotomy. Even though by the time i read it here, i know what will happen, I get the chance to enjoy the writing itself in this format. And i do enjoy your writing.

Looking foward to the next!
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby NeverChosen » Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:59 pm

Really Long Replies, Story Continues in Next Post

Wow... I feel loved.

And I don't mean that in any sarcastic way. Nor in wry wit. I have a lot of trouble accepting praise unless people are very specific about what they like and why (it gives the words a sense of reality), but... I think y'all have gotten through...

*gentle look of disbelief* My story doesn't suck.

Unfortunately, my response to that revelation is going to be a discussion about creation. Why? Because I write what I want to read, and I like to read how other people regard their own stories. In 2002-2004, there was a lot of discussion on the subject in the archived stories I've read. Sometimes I found the discussions of as much interest as the stories themselves. Perhaps the time for that is passed. *grin* But then, people have always said I'm a little old fashioned.

To tell you all the truth (some of you know this already), this particular story started out as a creative writing exercise that I set for myself. It is both wonderful and vaguely disquieting the response that I've gotten here, after my "real fic" experience in Missing (which was born out of the need to give back to this community, which has given me so much). I always felt that a story needed to be planned, plotted, carefully measured for pace, consistency, tone... like animation, every action needs a time to settle in accordance with the nature of that action. Chapters needed to be cohesive. Wording needed to be pondered, rewritten, left to cure over time, and then be revisited. I left a lot of unresolved issues in that story, but it had an end that tied together enough that it felt like a proper ending.

Comparing the responses to the respective stories, I guess I overdid it... or maybe people just see the potential for gratuitous smut that was absent in Missing?

Part one of what started this story was process- as I've mentioned before, I wanted to do improv and there was nobody to listen. So this story is written in as close to improv as can be done without a live audience (which is kinda pointless, I know)- I sit down and just write. In anything I've ever done before, I wrote scenes out of order and spent my time fitting them back together. This linear creation thing is totally new and the self-imposed lack of editing is like having my security blanket stolen (Gee- maybe it's time to grow up? Nah.)

Writing without an outline is scary. I don't know how I'm going to end this, nor how I'm going to fix some of the messes I've made. Luckily I have a very defined sense of how magic works in my world, and what exactly all this succubus stuff is about- I don't have to make it up as I go, just express it in terms of Tara's responses. To tell the truth, the underlying succubus idea was adapted from an old story of mine (totally different character, totally different circumstances, so totally different storyline) so I had already worked out the mechanics. The process of discovery was irresistible and necessary- I set up situations, but there is very little work I've had to do beyond that. What would a person like Tara, with her background and perceptions, do with this situation?

Which leads me to Part Two of why I started writing this. Forgive me if this sounds confrontational, but it's because of my annoyance with Smut. It seems to me (as a declared prude) that lots of Kittens want Willow and Tara to just go at it at the slightest provocation. So I did something very deliberate. I took the idea of Insta-Smut and turned it on its head. What is the embodiment of sex in mythical context? A succubus. By typical Kitten logic, the idea of Tara turning into a succubus would be an open invitation for lots and lots of sex scenes. The characters would enjoy their fortune and life would be grand.

Sorry, but no. It just doesn't work that way... there are just too many implications. I gave the pair their moment after the second chapter. I could have ended the story there, actually, and I think everyone would have gone home happily thinking naughty thoughts. But where's the fun in that? The stories I love are those that explore the true implications of the situations the characters are in. The story is not in the situations. It is in the characters and how they react within those situations. How does it change them? In this case, it makes the end of the second chapter... wrong. And both Tara and Willow have realized this (though Willow doesn't particularly care, I suspect that she would rather be free to spend a lifetime of physical intimacy than short term, potentially fatal, enjoyment). I have the responsibility to make the relationship right again- to take away the barriers I have created in a believable manner. In this case, it is unconscionable for Willow and Tara to just jump in bed together. Don't you want to give that freedom back to them? I do. But I want to do it right, or at least as well as my ability to write will allow. I'm no Tullipp, no AntigoneUnbound, no Katharyn, no Sassette, nor a Jixer. All I can promise is my best effort and hope that it is enough to satisfy.

I have been fortunate. The more I write this, the more it all fits together. I was very lucky with how Buffy-verse cannon flows so nicely into the mythos that I had planned. So far I've only thought of two things (can you guess what?) that I can't explain in my Unified Theory of Tara as Succubus- I'm continually amazed how it all just falls together. It will be a slow process by necessity, but I know how it can come together- I just have to find the path that gets there. It's almost as much of a mystery to me as to you guys at this point. Regardless, there is no question that Willow and Tara will be in this together until it does.

And then they can rut like bunnies.


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--Individual Replies, in reverse order

Morrigan- It really is a different experience when you read at your own pace. In chat, I have some small degree of control over what I give you. Is it one line? Or three? I split things up fairly carefully, believe it or not. I still think that I need to log one of those and post what it looks like in that format as well- and so everyone gets to benefit from your snarking.

AmberGoddess- I always appreciate your comments... but no. No guilt free smut so long as;
A)Willow could, oh, DIE from it.
B)There is any sense that such action would be motivated by anything other than love- despite the fact that the girls are still very much in love, Tara has a lot of insecurities feeding into that suspicion. That is a pretty big honking issue to take to bed with them.
C)Buffy is unconscious on the bed... cuz that's just a creepy thought ("But they could just shove her on the floor!" yell the loyal Kittens).

TW4E- You are too kind. I have, more than once, looked at what I wrote and thought that you were probably reading with a look of gentle incredulity. This is my insecurities talking, I know- but the fact is that you have studied how the mind works, including minds whose perceptions have been horribly scarred, and that's fundamentally what I'm writing about. Your opinion, in my world, carries that little bit of extra weight... your support is much appreciated. By the same token, though, please tell me if you think I'm doing something that's bizarre. Believe it or not, I take criticism rather well. It's the praise that I haven't learned to deal with yet. ^_^

Fuchsin- And I'm still not sure how to type an umlaut. -_-; I'm glad that I've managed to hold your interest. Hopefully I can keep it as the story gets less dark...

SJ- Thank you, as always. Feel free to critique, though! I very much want to improve as I go.

Zampsa- Oh, Willow is willing. She has been willing since the beginning... which is one reason that Tara will not let her. The full reasons are in the diatribe up top. It actually would have been pretty sad if the Entamari ward worked really well- we'd end up with Tara stuck in her room for the duration of the story. Cinematicly, that would be good for budgeting. Theatrically, you'd save on scenery changes. In writing, it's just too confining. All I'd save is description of new locales (which I'm not very good about anyway- since we've all seen the show there's usually no need to reiterate the visuals) and I lose out on a lot of potential material.


Oops. I think I just used up the time I was going to write another story section with. Sorry about that. It evens out, though. I did two bits over the past weekend- the one above and the second one is below.

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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby NeverChosen » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:14 am

Posted in chat on 1/9/2010 at 9:30pm or so.


Changes has been moved to its own thread.

Ch 8 Part II removed.
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby Zampsa1975 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:41 am

Yay for great update-y goodness... Good that there is a possibility for Tara to contact another Succubus to get help...
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby SJ » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:00 am

I like the pace of your story.
Great update.
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby AmberGoddess » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:22 am

Yay! Maybe it will get better soon, although knowing the luck of the Scoobies, everything's gonna go to hell soon. At least you'll make it interesting. Can't wait for more!
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby taranwillow4ever » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:50 am

Never,
I promise if I have critque I will provide it. Now of course I probably could do some editing, but the content is great. I like your plot twists and I smiled broadly at several of the comments. I LOVED THE TICKLE ME ELMO piece. I like how you are writing Anya and the description of life force was really good (especially for all of us geeks). The plot twist of the other succubus was really clever.

I appreciated your long description of your writing process. Just need to remember that those of us who know you (at least from chat) understand your view on smut, but people who don't and who use this forum for that type of escapist enjoyment shouldn't be shamed. We all come to this forum for different reasons. None of which are either good or bad.

Keep up the good work. I love when I am there for the original posting, but it is easier to read when it is in the forum.

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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby leonhart17 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:05 pm

I just found this and read all of it and it's wonderful and I'm so hooked and can't wait to see what happens next!
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby NeverChosen » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:03 pm

Hi all!

First of all- TW4E brought up a good point. While I have my own issues with smut, that should not be taken as a blanket condemnation. Everyone has a right to their own tastes and opinions- as a declared prude I have come under fire plenty of times for my own. I view smut like I view meat. Being a vegetarian doesn't mean I'm going to try to convert you, nor am I saying that eating meat is bad. I just don't chose to.

Sorry if I sounded judgmental... I am judgmental, but not on this particular point. Get me started on America's lack of national health insurance- then you'll hear judgmental.


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leonhart- Glad to have you with us! I know that I should be moving this to its own thread... it's on my To Do List, but it hasn't quite happened yet. I should have another update within the next couple of days.

TW4E- Believe me, I know this needs editing. I twitch when I go back and look at what I've written... perhaps some day when it is all finished I can clean it up. That will be a herculean task, I fear.
I'm glad that the Elmo scene worked for you. Once it was written I had some real doubts about it being contrived- which it was, of course- and becoming trite. It was predictable, but humor doesn't always have to surprise you. It can be the process that makes the fun... or so I told myself.
It is a very different experience for me too, with both chat and typical posting. The chat version is addictive in its immediacy: I get to find out when people laugh and what grabs them. Plus, the snarky comments are hilarious.

AmberGoddess- The vicissitudes of life are unlikely to pass the Scoobies unscathed, but that may be a good thing. They tend (at least at this point) to pull together in the face of outward strife. It's the internal strife that messes them up.

SJ- Thanks for your continued patronage. I'm glad the pace is working- there's a big jump between the internal dialogs (really long), the external dialogs (mid-to-short), and the action (blink and you'll miss it). From what I've seen, that can work or it can fail spectacularly depending on the writer. More of style thing than a skill thing, in my opinion. Regardless. ^_^ You've made me happy.

Zampsa- Greetings to my first supporter! It always helps to talk to someone who really understands who you are going through- one of the reasons that Anya has been so involved stems from this. There's always the hope that Tara can get some advice that will make life a little more manageable.


Update pending in a day or two, depending on how chat is going.

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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby Füchsin » Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:48 am

I think, i don't get it.
Who said you must write smut?
In my opinion you don't have to!

I hope the other Succubus can Tara help, with her problems :pray

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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby NeverChosen » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:20 am

*waves to the readers*

Fuechsin- Nobody said I had to write smut, although it has been suggested several times. I kinda wanted the challenge of taking a glaring smut setup and turning it around. So no, I didn't have to write about smut at all, but it did influence the story in a fashion, so when I write about process I feel it would be negligent not to speak to that.

I guess I should just stick to the story. I'm less likely to get myself in trouble. ^_^;

If nothing else, having someone who understands her situation will be a big comfort to Tara. A fellow succubus might not provide all the answers, but it should make a few things clearer... and there are a lot of things that need to be cleared up.

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and on to the usual unedited, unbeta'd, and unceasingly angsty story...
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby Zampsa1975 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:01 am

Yay for great update-y goodness... I truly hope Willow & Tara have an alone talking time where they talk about their feelings very soon...
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby leonhart17 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:54 am

Aww poor confused Willow and Tara not knowing how to deal with all this! I hope they figure out some way to talk to each other without the Field of Horniness making them feel awkward around each other...

Great update!
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby SJ » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:14 am

Great writing.
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby taranwillow4ever » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:30 pm

I agree there was a need for this level of internalness. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby AmberGoddess » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:13 am

Good update. I'm glad they had time to think, but I hope Tara opens up to Willow soon. Can't wait for more!
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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby NeverChosen » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:26 pm

A few replies...

Zampsa- While having a good sit down and spill session would be a good thing, I'm not sure that Tara is in a place to do that yet. Willow, maybe, but Tara is in the position of being (in her mind) a burden at best and a danger at worst. She has come a long way just to be willing to accept help- hope is not something she has a firm grasp on yet, and the Buffy Incident is a severe setback. Unfortunately, the nature of the problem is not so amiable to frank and earnest discussion (besides, why would they talk to Frank and Ernest). Feel free to speculate on what that conversation would sound like- I know I am... I end up with these little parodies that pop in to my head when I'm waiting at traffic lights.

leonhart- It is awkward... there is no way around that. All said, they're actually dealing with it pretty well. There isn't an easy solution that's come to light, the clock is ticking for Tara, and then there's the basic mechanics of life that just won't have the decency to stop for a while.

SJ- Thank you, as always, for your continuing support of this endeavor.

TW4E- It's a very internal story, all said. The funny thing is, I keep thinking of things in terms of nuances in visual expression and then having to work from there to describe the thoughts that produced that... language still fails to describe fully all the little things that a person does to reflect their internal state. It can end up being a bit repetitive, but most people seem to have repetitive thought patterns about things they are concerned about. The questions keep surfacing unanswered, the events are rehashed until understood... Anyway, thanks for following along.

AmberGoddess- There should be more in the imminent future... the chat wasn't really amiable to Storytime this weekend, but I have the next piece ready after I've presented it there.
Tara has some good reasons to keep her thoughts to herself- or so she believes. It's all tied back into her underlying insecurity- something that she seemed to have made strides in, but has been terribly shaken by recent events. Willow is doing her supportive best but her thought process doesn't allow complete understanding, so some of her reactions are a bit counterproductive... though she's doing pretty well in spite of it. I want a Willow on my side when my life sucks. *pout*

G'night for now. Expect an update soonish.

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Re: Chat room potpourri

Postby NeverChosen » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:46 pm

Just so everyone knows...

I'm going to move Changes into its own thread. That's the good news. The bad news is that I can only move my own posts, so everyone's wonderful feedback can't come with me. T_T

During the transition I will be removing posts from this thread, as it seems to be an etiquette point to note have the same story in two places. Hopefully this will free up the Chatroom Potpourri thread for the other fun stories we share in chat. I didn't intend to take over this thread, but my story sorta flooded it.

Anyway, my apologies during the transition. Hope to see you on the new thread.

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