What have W/T meant to you?

[tyche]

(If the mods feel this appropriate, please delete.)

Okay, I remember that there was a thread called this on the old board. And, since we're mired in badness at the moment and it doesn't seem to be getting any better, I thought it might help to take time to reflect what Willow, Tara and their amazing relationship have meant to us and the impact that they've had on our lives. So that there's a record. So that ME know what they're doing to us. But, most importantly, so that no-one can deny that W/T has affected people, that - unlike any other relationship on the show - it has had a wider social and political significance. And so that we can remember the good things in the midst of all this trauma.

Discussion group for spoiled W/T shippers


I'm not sure you should say 'sex poodle' in your [wedding] vows. - Tara

[Blue77]

Everything.

"She should have died hereafter: There would have been a time for such a word ...

...it is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Shakespeare/Macbeth

[Wayne321]

To me, Willow and Tara showed me that gay relationships can work and Willow and Tara's relationship means everything to me, its just so beautiful. They're so good together.

[themagicpixie]

They were fun to watch, they helped make me feel positive about gay relationships & helped me believe two women could be happy together no matter the rest of the crap going on in the rest of the world! And a few years ago when this storyline started, I really needed reassurance like that. Glad I'm not a young gay teenager watching this storyline now, or it would totally rip my heart out. As it is I'm just a bit angry but also hopeful something will change.

[Amadan Daenaris]

They meant acceptance and hope.



Maybe that won't change, but it's harder now.



Amadan

Anya: I know what broke up him and Cordelia, you know. It was you! And your lips!
Willow: No, it was not! Well, yes it was so, but... that was a long time ago, do you think I'd do that again?
Anya: Why not?
Willow: Hello? Gay now!

[TheCardinal2]

..too much to let them go now without a fight .



'Once more unto the breach, dear friends. once more;' - Henry V - Shakespeare.

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Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[kyraroc]

I refuse to put my answer in the past tense yet.



To me, they mean a greater acceptance of the idea that every expression of true love is beautiful. And normal. And good.

[TheCardinal2]

Yay kyraroc !

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Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[Shinnen]

Hope. A lot of hope that there's such a thing as finding the right person in life who's existence compliments the very person I am, filling in all the gaps and completing me. Without the tempering of Joss and company.

She Looks at the world in a special way, and I feel special because I'm part of her world. She gets my jokes. She understands. It's Magic.

[Iamyouknowyours]

That I'm not alone. That a beautiful relationship can exist between two women. That people can

earn tolerance. That love can build the confidence to overcome addiction and a pesky stutter. That

witches can be good. That girl on girl smooches can be shown on national TV. That love is worth

risking everything for. That two of my favorite actresses can form a wonderful chemistry that tugs at

my heart strings.



I am going to cry all through episode 19, even before the gunshot.

Xander: Buffy, this is all about fear. It's understandable, but you can't let it control you. 'Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to anger.' No wait, hold on. 'Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side.' Hold on, no, umm, 'First you get the women, then you get the money, then you...' okay, can we forget that?
-Freshman

[friskylez]

Wow Shinnen, Couldnt have said it better myself W/T have shown me that love does conquer all..Alison and Amber portray these wonderful characters with such sensitivity, it has made people across the globe take notice of the fact that its not who you love, but how you love..What a wonderful world it would be if in this particular case, life imitated art

Edited by: friskylez at: 4/30/02 12:49:36 am

[Sivi27]

Will and Tara, to me, are about reality. Not everything was always wonderful. There was conflict and hurt, and they were both lost... but how they feel for each other was stronger than everything that kept them apart. This is something that seems true to me. The fact that they are probably the first lesbian couple to ever have been portrayed in a beautiful and loving way on primetime is in many ways a kind of icing on the cake; I know that even if this had been a heterosexual relationship, the story would have been as touching and precious to me as it is now. They are real, and wonderful, and beautiful together. They give me the fuzzies.

[Epicurus]

I’m going to mostly reiterate what others have stated here.



They opened my eyes completely. I have never gotten a feeling of shame or embarrassment from either Willow or Tara regarding their homosexuality. I never once got the feeling that any of their friends couldn’t accept them. For those 2 reasons alone I looked at their relationship as a sign of relief. A sign that told me to just me myself.



I saw a reflection of myself in Tara. I was amazed by the boldness she exudes even though she was clearly shy beyond the telling of it. She got Willow didn’t she?

At times my shyness is the downfall of me, seeing Tara find Willow made me feel like being shy didn’t mean that I couldn’t find happiness.



They show nothing but love for one another and the people around them. Being as I am a lesbian, and I am around the same age they are, I firmly believe they are the perfect role models for me. I’m glad to have found them.

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I am Joss' rubber band

[Scarecrow]

For me it was summed up in Under Your Spell.



I related to tara because she had a hard childhood filled with sadness. She always felt alone with no one with her; she was shy and unloved.



But then she was 'bathed in light' when she found Willow. Her true love and she grew; everything she had been through had led her to this. She has a wonderful soul mate and girlfriend and friends who care for her.



This gives me hope. I suffer depression and always felt alone. I now know i have friends who care for me. And W/T give me hope that love too is real. The mean everything to me and i adore them.

"Everything is turning out so dark"

[Ange]

For me, that was true love. How it's suppose to be and how a relationship is suppose to be.



And how good it must feel. That was that and that's that. Just true love.



Ange.

----------------------------------- "Things are not always what they seem to be...." Shakespeare >Ange's W/T Avatars page & Willow and Tara Stuff

[AmberBensonRockzMyWorld]

To me, Willow and Tara meant acceptance, I am a straight woman and I never had ANYTHING against gay people, But never fully understood it. But after watching Willow and Tara's romance blossem, I was like, "Hey, It's no different from any other relationship, aside from the same sex." I fell in love with the relationship between Willow and Tara and then began to say things in my head like, "Man, that Tara is a hottie." After that I was like, "Did I just say that." But it was cool. You know, Now, I am begining to only now question my sexuality, I mean, I just don't know. Is that even possible? Anyways, Willow and Tara are True Love, And I think it is important to see that, True love does exist. Willow and Tara Rock and Are everything to me. Much Love to All,

Lisa

This is our Last Embrace, Must I dream and Always see your face.~ Jeff Buckley "Last goodbye"

[buffelina]

True Love

I am convinced that when we as women reclaim our full ancient powers and when men awaken to their loving and caring nature, a balanced society respecting all life is truly possible. -- Jane Evershed, Artist

[tommo]

I've held off from replying in this thread. Not sure why. Perhaps it's because I'm so flip everywhere else that a serious post from me might just upset the whole balance of the world or something...heh...



Anyway. What have they meant to me. Wow. So much. You know? It's really weird, thinking that it's over. Because for the last two and a half years, there have been times when things got so shitty, that I retreated into watching Willow and Tara because at least I could rely on them. I could always go and re-watch favorite scenes because I knew that at least somewhere, there was a happy couple that I could depend on to cheer me up. And they've seen me through some crap. They really have.



More than anything though, I think it's the total realism of the relationship that I adore. The little quirks and foibles of each character; how they overcame adversity to be together, and find one another throughout everything. The thing that pleases me the most is that right up until the final moment, they found one another again. And if that's not true love, then I'm not sure what is. And if I'm stupid for believing in that, then I'm stupid. But I'm bloody happy. And having someone of my own makes this relationship even more important to me, I think, because I've been able to share those wonderful moments of realization with someone; when you wake up and turn over and they're just... there...and it's all wonderful and complete.



I've also loved Willow and Tara because of the friends they've brought me. And no matter what happens now, I know I've got some decent people in my life and that feels pretty good. And these people are real; they're not going anywhere, and I know that we'll always hold Willow and Tara dear to our hearts because it's the original reason we found one another.



Willow and Tara have also meant that the hundred of lonely girls who weren't sure about how they were feeling, or even what they were feeling can finally find somewhere, and someone to confide in. I'm really thankful for the number of people who have contacted me and talked with me about so many aspects of being gay. I feel useful, you know? And that's such a great feeling.



And lastly, for me personally, there's the writing. I never wrote fanfic before Willow and Tara. And since them, I've been churning out stuff that's really helped me focus on my skills as a writer and as someone who has a story to tell. And I've told it in many different ways, in many different genres, and somehow, it's always the same. Willow loves Tara. Tara loves Willow. And you know what? I can't see that ever being any different for me. Never. And I won't stop writing Willow/Tara fic either. Because for me, there are so many more stories to tell and Joss Whedon and ME aren't going to prevent me from telling them. As Tara said in Restless; "You've only just begun."



Okay, enough of that. Now back to my scheduled bitterness and flippancy.

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"It's between a hitch and a kink, with a side of twinge. It's okay."

[Lindy]

Oh wow! I am pretty speechless and my eyes are teary after reading Ruth's post. Happy and sad at the same time, oh dear melancholy. *sniff*



Thanks for those words!

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Computers don't suck. ahem

[ShoeHornOPlenty]

That there is truly such a thing as true love, and that it is possible, no matter what happens, to be able to find eachother in the end. God I hope that by the end of the season we see them together again and as happy as they were in Seeing Red.



Ughhh, why must Joss putt us through this pain of losing Tara. I just hope Xander's wish comes true and it brings Tara back and everything goes back to being happy again, not sure how many more tears are left in me....

[Ange]

Ruth, that was beautiful. I'm agree on everything that you said. Really beautiful. Nothing more to say.



Ange.

----------------------------------- "Things are not always what they seem to be...." Shakespeare >Ange's W/T Avatars page & Willow and Tara Stuff

Edited by: xita  at: 5/2/02 1:38:58 pm

[VampNo12]

W&T have meant to me that true-love is possible, that there is someone out there in this crazy world who can complete you. Yes W&T are a gay couple, but they aren't shown as a stereotype, but rather two people (who happen to be both girls), who have find a home in each other's hearts/souls. The way they look at each other with such devotion, when just a simple gesture (ie interlocking their hands ) speaks more about love than the clear "boink-fest" between other couples on the show, such as Buffy and Riley or Buffy and Spike. Obstacles will clearly come to pass, but a love like W&T's is so strong that they will indeed "find each other" in the end. To me W&T demonstrates that all this is possible not only for these two characters, but that once you find your soul-mate in real life all this is possible too!

[tommo]

Thanks. I don't post stuff like that much. And now you know why. I feel all dirty after having...an emotion. Heh.



And the reason I know all of that? Cuz I'm in lurve.

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"It's between a hitch and a kink, with a side of twinge. It's okay."

[Traggic Prose]

To me they mean how love should be or close to it. The intimacy and understanding.



Simple? possibly.



TP

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Willow : I usually don't use so many words to say something so little, but do you get a little?



Tara : I do



Link: To my Xena wallpaper site

[Little M]

What Willow and Tara meant to me?? Well a hell of a lot

They started around the same time I finally accepted of myself that I'm also attracted to girls........I struggled quite a lot with it, but seeing them together made me realize that love is beautiful, no matter whom you're in love with....

After I'd accepted that I started feeling much better.....I brought up the courage to tell a couple of friends and they were so sweet and supportive.......and right now I'm totally at ease with myself and who I am, and it feels wonderful



So that's kinda what they meant to me



Mir

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'I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad..it's depressing' - Tara

[Dumbsaint]

Ruth, I love you.



Big, shiny love. 'Would have shared my peanut butter and jelly sandwich with you when I was five if you should have stumbled across my playground' love. I'd add a flip comment about 'Diana and Anne bosom friend' love, but your breasts already know that I love them, too.



Thanks for summing up so perfectly everything Willow and Tara mean to me as well. You rock, bint.

"I would have squealed, were I a pink baby pig." ~Little Willow


Soooueeeeeeee!

[Gatito Grande]

It's difficult for me to put it into words.



It's just that they were there, y'know? Too often it seems like queer people, especially queer people who are fully sexual, have a way of disappearing. Like, its Sweeps Month: lesbian kiss! Then back to Boystown. Or, gee, is it maybe, just maybe, possible to read a same-sex relationship between the leads? Do they have a gay neighbor? Y'know, I think that (name of character here) could be gay---s/he never seems to date the opposite sex.



Sh*t like this.



But then there's Willow and Tara:

"I'm yours."

"We're lesbian lovers."

"I'm a breast woman."

"Lost in ecstasy, spread beneath my Willow tree."

"You're my always."

"Can you just be kissing me now?"

(Can we ever!)



Week in, week out, they were there, together. And even when they weren't together, it wasn't for a lack of love, or blech! the passing of a "phase."



Because they were there, they gave me hope that I could be---that I wouldn't disappear. Because their relationship could survive beyond sanity, beyond the End of the World and (I'm convinced) beyond Life and Death, they give me hope that, well . . .



LOVE WINS



'Nuff said,



GG Out

[Wtasg5]

TheMagicPixie: Glad I'm not a young gay teenager watching this storyline now, or it would totally rip my heart out.



I'm seriously hating being 15 and watching my heart on the floor, it's quite an experience I have to say.



Willow and Tara gave me lots. I saw that your friends can be more understanding than you would think, that being in love regardless of with who, isn't wrong. Mostly I saw that things get dark but love's a blinding light. I don't really talk to lots of people on account of a painful shyness and this is only my second post here. Willow and Tara's relationship just makes me well up with emotion so much so that I feel if i don't tell someone I'll explode.



I can't beleive ME is doing this, tearing away a relationship that has helped many people. I'll still hold on to the things I've learned and hope against hope that their love will get a second chance, if only to show me that you can be happy for longer than a day after you get back together with your girlfriend.

[Saturnine]

They mean everything.

Willow and Tara have played a role in my life all through my realisation that I am gay. They had a significant role in helping me realise very quickly that its is absolutely fine to be gay and in fact they made me proud to be gay.

I used to watch Buffy to get away from life and while I have always watched Buffy and greatly enjoyed it, it was only when Tara and Willow's relationship began that I began to absolutely adore this show. I taped every episode, downloaded them and then bought the dvds. Because they made me feel good. They made life easier for me. Is that silly and a kind of escapism? Sure it is. I don't really care. And to top it all off, not only did Willow and Tara represent the concept of true love in my life, they also led me here. To a board that I always have open when I'm online, whether it be 10 minutes or an entire weekend. I know I lurk more than anything else, but I truly care about all the kittens here. I have Willow and Tara to thank for that. And of course the founders of the board

But all in all, for tv characters, Willow and Tara have had a significant effect in making me feel good about me.



But of course the timing of SR couldn't be any worse because my exams start in three days. Concentration? Whats that?



ME will kill whom ever they please, I certainly can't stop them. But Willow, Tara and the strength of thier love will always be alive to me. Nothing will ever change that.

[Cici]

Im with Blue77..... they mean everything to me!

I thought its bad or not right to be a lesbian (because i had strong feelings for girls and didn´t know who iam... i thought i have to be with Boys because its "normal").... but then i saw Willow and Tara together. Willow is a main character on Buffy...she is so popular... and that gave me more hope.



Short: They showed me the right way and besides accompanied me.



Huch i hope its correct writing..

"Do you wanna go out some time, for coffee, food, kisses and gay love?"

~*~* extraflamey.de.vu *~*~

Edited by: Cici at: 5/4/02 2:12:18 pm