how much screentime did W/T actually get?

[wiltar]

I know, stupid question but I was just wondering...does anyone have any idea on how many minutes W/T goodness and well...some badness we have had in total?



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Patricia

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-The hotness of you doofus!!!

[Hair Annoyed]

How much screentime did W/T actually get? Easy: not enough.

[Shinnen]

definitely NOT ENOUGH.



They just shown Checkpoint here and guess what... since we don't have enough w/t screentime... they cut off the "...lesbian gay-type lovers..." scene. : -->

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[WiccansIllusion]

Definetly not enough.

Tara nodded in agreement "She has magic fingers." Then, as though the words had just echoed back to her and sounded not at all right, she perked up and glanced around at the others. "On the keyboard."

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'My heart is cleverer then I and it knows what to do.'-MC Legends of the Kiss

[with catlike tread]

Shinnen - were you watching on Star TV?? Cos I settled down to watch Checkpoint and was so pissed off the scene was cut that I could barely raise a smile at the 'Willow's a demon' line.



I was wondering whether it was cut due to 'sensitivities' on the part of Star TV, but then figured they cant be that sensitive since Friends (also on Star) makes lesbian 'jokes' not infrequently. Maybe they get the shows already cut from whoever shows the reruns in the US. Still annoying.



ETA: Shinnen - currently in HK. But not from HK, so picked up the BtVS addiction in a place (Australia) that shows the seasons only a few months, rather than years, late.

Edited by: with catlike tread at: 7/22/02 12:58:46 am

[Shinnen]

with catlike tread :- Yeah...i was watching btvs on Star World. That wasn't the worse. The worse so far... they haven't shown The Body and .. sigh... I'm already expecting them to butcher the whole scene as they did in Real Me of Willow and Tara hugging. They censor it according to what the censorship board believes is morally correct to them. Narrow-minded bigots they are. French kissing and sex by a heterosexual couple is an okay and 2 girls hugging and dialogue is not okay?? Something is seriously wrong with these people sometimes.



Btw... where are you from??? I'm really curious to know because I seem to be a lone ranger who comes from where I come from.

CheerZ

Shinnen

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Edited by: Shinnen at: 7/21/02 7:12:11 pm

[Puff]

Not enough but a damn site more on UPN than WB

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[Dream]

Hey Shinnen, I get Star World too... Actually that's the only way for me to watch the episodes on tv (contrary to downloading the eps from the web). I wasn't expecting much from the channel after they axed the beginning of Family, but watching Checkpoint was just maddening. I mean, that "lesbian gay-type lovers" scene was sooooo controversial, of course it needed to be cut... Contrary to Spike sucking face with Buffy in the "previously" of every ep...



Equal treatment. Right.

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[Shinnen]

oh oh.... don't forget the face sucking of Buffy and Riley in Real Me, Dream. They didn't cut that. I guess we do already know the conclusion to how much of The Body will be shown. That, for people who watch Star World, would cut down considerably the amount of airtime of Willow and Tara.



They really are encouraging kids to...ya know... suck faces... in a heterosexual way. It's okay to be a teen and suck faces as long as you are sucking face with the opposite sex. bleh. I'm not against that but it's bloody unfair.



Oh... heh heh... I come from Malaysia... a place where showing affections for the person you love publicly is totally a big no - no.

CheerZ

Shinnen

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[Dream]

Well you know, Willow & Tara had so much screentime in season five, they were practically hogging the episodes... So poor little children, god forbid they'll get the wrong idea and their fragile little minds will get corrupted... I don't blame them for censoring the scenes one bit... (Right! ). I have no doubt in my mind they will butcher "The Body". After all when Tara says something about purple "meaning royalty" it's enough to show support and love, right?... Argh.



What I want to know is what will they do with Seeing Red. Will they cut most of the episode? I can just imagine it - scene one: Buffy visits the nerd's house. Scene two: Xander gets punched by Warren. Scene three: Buffy fights the nerds. Scene four: Buffy gets shot. The end. The best whole 15 minutes of television.



Israel's not particularly big with showing affection in public either, but we're much less uptight when it comes to censorship. I mean, we get QAF aired on the "Family channel" (albeit at midnight). Of course it would've helped if Buffy was actually aired on a channel that doesn't require paying extra money...



So, screentime? Sooo not enough.

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[slayer747]

very little.

its unfair. like riley's issues were important

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[Shinnen]

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What I want to know is what will they do with Seeing Red. Will they cut most of the episode?

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At the rate the censorship board goes... I don't think will even get Season 6. If they do show Season 6 on Star World... it's be a hanging storyline, too many scenes will be sliced off as Season 6 dwells on more mature topics. If Seeing Red ends as a 15 minute episode and 45 minute commercial breaks... heh heh... Villians will be what? 5 minutes airtime? Not to mention...totally Tara-less and I considered Willow almost lost after Seeing Red.

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Of course it would've helped if Buffy was actually aired on a channel that doesn't require paying extra money...

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Bloody! I PAID for that stupid extra channels. Star World comes with mtv and channel V... after a while it gets boring.

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like riley's issues were important

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Riley...to me... wasn't really an essential character in btvs. Not as important as role as Tara. He was just another of Buffy's boyfriends who fizzled out, couldn't handle the pressure. Plus... me thinks Joss and company thinks having...2 heterosexual couple versus 1 gay couple would balance things up. That's what Riley is for at that time.



Tara on the other hand is more essential to the scoobies with her knowledge and her person as the only mature character after Giles left. She isn't just Willow's girlfriend.

CheerZ

Shinnen

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Inner Beauty Is The Easiest To See In The World When You Are Looking

Edited by: Shinnen at: 7/23/02 4:58:45 am

[Verdant]

To answer the original question -- when I geeked out and put all the W/T moments together on a separate tape I ended up with three tapes. Since one of them was on long play and the others were on short play that comes out to roughly seven hours of W/T goodness.



I also put in scenes where other characters reference them, like the round table birthday present discussion in "Family" and where it's just Tara with another character and stuff like Willow's "gay now" comment to Anya and her scene with Buffy at the Bronze in TIIT about the "hypothetical someone."



Of course when I get all the DVD's I'll have to redo those tapes.

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[wiltar]

thank you very much for geeking out



Patricia

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W-what were they looking at?

-The hotness of you doofus!!!

[xita]

Yeah, I have w/t tapes too (3 of them). I have everything in season 4 but season 5 I started leaving bits out where they were just in the room together.. cause I usually fastforwarded through that, usually in the middle of some big buffy speech. But I didn't miss one touch or conversation exchange between them. And I also got every time Willow said something about Tara or being gay. Season 6 I pretty much got every moment. Bargaining alone has tons of w/t screen time. For season 4 and 5 and especially 6 I also included most of Tara's moments on her own. Not so many in season 4, most in 5 and all in 6. So I have around 5 1/2 hours of w/t goodness. However, I am going to do it digitally with vcds and I think that will be much more fun.. and accurate, oh and yeah i can't wait for dvds either.. sigh.

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[The Next Tara Maclay]

THey needed more time together.

[Garner]

Of course they needed more time on screen. The real question is how does their air time stack up to say, Anya and Xanders'? What about Willow and Oz? Hell, even compared to Joyce would be interesting. I doubt we'll ever find that out, but it would be kinda nice to know.



Garner

[willow vixen]

wow. *hangs head* i'm not that dilergent with remembering all of those W&T goodiness... and i've never kept up with how much screen time they have. i'm a horrible fan!

[slayer747]

just wanna complain as well regarding STAR TV... GRRRRR!!!

i actually visited their website right after watching "the realme" and they ask people who visit to give feedbacks regarding the shows they air... as usual, the slayer here ranted and told them that it's because of people like them that some gay people decide to kill themselves to avoid their homophobia... well, i didn't expect a reply from them, i just voiced out my opinion. it's really a piss off since w/t don't really get much screentime even from UPN and here in Star Tv they cut it more. it's a good thing though that we have a local network here in the philippines that also airs buffy without the cuts (however, the true test will be next monday when they air "the Body"). This network didn't cut jack's kiss on Dawson's Creek so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. sorry if this is sort of OT...

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[dorksrcool]

I think this is the right place to post this....so if you have to move it please do.

So I was having a discussion last night with some friends who didn't watch BTVS at all. I played the slideshow of W/T pics I have on my computer for them. We got to scenes from "The Body" and the "first kiss." My friend asked, "How much were they actually on the show? How much of their relationship was shown? It seems like from these pictures that they were intimate a lot." I quickly explained to her that it seems like they got a lot of physical screen time because we were looking at their scenes all together. I said that if you actually watch the episodes in their entirety it doesn't really seem like they had as much screen time. I told her that I think that's why obsessive fans like me put together slide shows, download music videos and read fan fiction because it gives a dimension to the relationship that really wasn't apperant on the actual show.

I was just watching a couple of Foomatic's music vids (which I highly recommend watching if you haven't already ) and I thought about how I probably wouldn't feel so strongly about the W/T relationship if I hadn't found this site and watched vids and looked at screen caps and watched every W/T scene in slow motion multiple times.

I know I'm kind of rambling and I know this may not be the appropriate thread for this discussion, but it's interesting to think about. My friend was so surprised that people would take the characters and do more with them than the actual television show. I told her that I think gay people do this kind of thing a lot with their favorite characters because those characters usually don't get the same kind of screen time straight characters get. You have to kind of make it up in your head a little bit. My friend seemed genuinely shocked by this because I think she's never really had to do that with the media she consumes.

It's an interesting point to ponder.

[billy]

My friend was so surprised that people would take the characters and do more with them than the actual television show. I told her that I think gay people do this kind of thing a lot with their favorite characters because those characters usually don't get the same kind of screen time straight characters get. You have to kind of make it up in your head a little bit. My friend seemed genuinely shocked by this because I think she's never really had to do that with the media she consumes.

There are also the shows you don't particularly like but watch for the gay characters, the only reason I watched Tales of the City. I'm now a couple of hours into More Tales of the City which at the moment is concentrating on the straight characters but I'm still hoping that we'll eventually spend more time with the gay characters. Not to mention shows that include gay subtext which the writers and producers probably never intended and only comes out of our own heads, for example Garak/Bashir on Deep Space Nine and Janeway/Seven on Voyager.