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Soulmates

Postby Sarabie317 » Sun Apr 28, 2002 6:39 pm

First, thanks for the comments on Dark Magick. It helps.



I'm not looking to open a religious discussion, this is not an appropriate place for it. But I want to clarify the meaning of a term that I see thrown around a lot - soulmate.



The notion of soulmates originates from a background assumption of reincarnation. Human life is temporary, souls are eternal. The soul's purpose is constant growth and evolution, and in order to do that, souls are born into human bodies (become incarnate). Each time we are born, we experience new things and learn new things. And we meet other souls in each life.



When you have met another soul in a former life, you have some sort of karmic relationship with them. Some karmic relationships are difficult and based on bad things having happened between you in previous lives (enemies, cheating, whatever). When you meet someone with whom you have a difficult karmic relationship, you have an opportunity to fix whatever went wrong in the past.



There are also other souls with whom you've shared a meaningful intimate relationship (not necessarily sexual) sometime in previous lives. These are your soulmates, and you share a special bond with them. Yes, you can have more than one. I personally have met at least two of mine in this lifetime. I did a past life regression with one of them, and found that we had been twin brothers in one life and a hetero couple in another life. (an exceptionally talented Wiccan High Priestess did the regression for me) We're both women in this life. Go figger.



Whether I'll end up in a relationship with my soulmate in this life remains to be seen. But from a big picture point of view, it's irrelevant. If I don't get with her in this life, I will in another future life. Soulmate relationships are NOT just here and now. They are eternal. They continue whether or not you happen to be undergoing human life at any point in time.



Another type of spiritual relationship is that of twin flames. The belief behind this is that a single soul was split into two different parts, and when they are united, they are whole. Believe it or not, twin flame relationships are not necessarily the best or most useful. Such couples can be like joined at the hip, not able to accomplish much without each other. That level of codependence is not an especially healthy thing.



It seems that the term soulmate has been adopted and is often used to refer to an especially close, maybe even codependent relationship. Like there's only one person in the whole world with whom you can be happy or complete. It just ain't so. The soulmates you have weren't always your soulmates. You have to initiate the relationship sometime.



I'm not asking anyone to accept any part of this as a personal spiritual belief system. I'm not looking to discuss or debate spiritual values, nosirree, extending no invitation to do that. I'm just sayin - the word soulmate gets misused a lot and its meaning has really been diluted. I think that's a shame, because it's a pretty cool concept.



And, yeah, I think Willow & Tara are soulmates. They've been together before, and will be again.




I'm a breast girl myself

Sarabie317
 


Re: Soulmates

Postby Epicurus » Sun Apr 28, 2002 7:24 pm

Wow. After reading the indepth explanation of soulmates it really makes me believe such a thing does not exists in RL. Not starting a debate just a realization on my part.

Funny thing though, I still see W/T as soulmates in Buffyverse. Weird.


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Re: Soulmates

Postby WebWarlock » Sun Apr 28, 2002 7:47 pm

While I don't believe in reincarnation, I do believe in soulmates.

I have found my own.



Willow and Tara are Soulmates, in every sense of the word. This is not something I got out of FanFics or hanging out here (but it reinforces it) I figured that our on my own, watching them on TV.



Sarabie317 your arguement here is solid.



Now how is Willow going to go on with half her soul gone? :(



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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby MarineWicca » Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:10 am

Elizabeth is Buffy's real first name, I actually had to do some research to figure out where the heck Joss got "Buffy" from in the first place. Queen Elizabeth was nicknamed Buffy when she was young so that's the reference. Not bad for a bloody colonial, huh? :)

In some episode, I have no idea which one, it's revealed that Willow middle name is Renee. If I'm wrong, feel to free to call me on it.

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby tommo » Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:17 am

I thought it was Danielle?


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No metaphors...just fucking.

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby xita » Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:19 am

marinewicca you are wrong :) . Willow's middle name has only been revealed in one early shooting script as Danielle. It was cut so I stick to no middle name for Willow. As for Buffy, I had heard that the show has never said her first name is Elizabeth.

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"Everything is turning out so dark..."

"No, it's okay. Lost is good. Willow and I always know how to find each other!"

Edited by: xita  at: 4/29/02 9:20:23 am
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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby willow420 » Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:24 am

And whats wrong with the name Elizabeth? Many fine people have that name. :b ;)

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Xander:
She’s bitter
Willow:
Been shafted up the shitter (from Joss Makes It Hell by Tommo)

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Just say no to spuffy.

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby MarineWicca » Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:50 pm

Oh, well, two theories shot to hell. Must be a Monday. I just like the idea of Elizabeth as the real name because it works well in a dramatic situation where somebody like Giles is trying to drive a point home. A man can dream, can't he?

Speaking of dream, think I'll do devote my lunch hour to a split of imagining scenes for Sheridan and my fan fic and having fantasies regarding Willow/Tara and butter pecan ice cream.



Trust me, you DON'T want to know.

Wait, knowing this crowd, maybe you do.

I'll get back to you.

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby TinyJewishSanta » Thu May 02, 2002 3:17 pm

Someone's middle name is Renee - I definitely remember that too, although I don't remember where.

"It's like, it's like freeze frame. Willow kissage."
Innocence

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Re: Willow's Pain

Postby tommo » Thu May 02, 2002 4:33 pm

Quote:
And whats wrong with the name Elizabeth? Many fine people have that name.




Yeah. There's the Queen...and uh...her mother...and uh...



Hmm. ;)


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Re: Soulmates

Postby Sheridan » Thu May 02, 2002 7:31 pm

Quote:
Now how is Willow going to go on with half her soul gone?




Simple answer, she isn't. From all the spoilers its clear that Willow has absolutely no interest in going on without Tara, hence the cliff scene in Grave.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

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Re: Soulmates

Postby themagicpixie » Thu May 02, 2002 10:09 pm

So what's the answer - what does Willow do? If Xander talks her down and she doesn't kill herself... is she going to continue to feel suicidal?



Either Willow gets over it, or Tara comes back. After the way they have portrayed this r'ship, I don't know how we can see Willow at all happy next season if Tara stays dead. She is not going to be a junky next season, Joss says... S7 is going to be positive. How can this be without Tara? It would be like what we have shown about the two of them up until now wasn't entirely true. Even if Willow is strong enough to go on, I doubt she can be happy for a very long time, especially when the death was so senseless, and so could easily have been her instead - she would wish it was. Ooh, did I say wish?

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Re: Soulmates

Postby Epicurus » Wed May 15, 2002 6:50 pm

Willow was offered an opportunity to become a vengence demon right?

If this offer still stands(?) could she not… become a demon, torture and kill Warren, then revert back to being human and have nothing said or done about it? The issue of Willow killing a human would no longer be an issue would it?

It seems that it’s only wrong for Willow to kill humans. Buffy, Spike, Anya and Xander (inadvertently) can but just not her.



I can not understand what the writers have done with her. Willow has more plot restrictions, more plot loopholes, more torment, more heartache then any other person.

I really do wonder why Aly is not the title character.


I have no plans to send Tara anywhere. Amber and Alyson have such great chemistry; they're so great together, and they're very romantic together. We have terrible, terrible things to do to them because they're on my show, so needless to say, horrible things will happen--but as a couple, I think they work really well. As for Amber, even if she weren't going out with Willow, I think she's become a big part of the heart of the show. – Joss "Master of Hurtful Lies" Whedon

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Re: Soulmates

Postby frogfear » Wed May 15, 2002 10:41 pm

joss aid it himself in the comentry featured in

S1 dvds - they "learnt early on to put Willow in danger"



apparently being a damn fine actor translates into "must

go thru soul destoying anguish"



Bitter much - hell yes!






"I'm a blood sucking fiend - Look at my outfit !"

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