Tara Character Study - Discussion

[Zooey42]

Well, I certainly can't argue with that, tommo (or may I call you Ruth?)...but I can't seem to help stupidly clinging to my last shred of hope.

Willow: "Aha! A curse on Slayers. Oh, no, wait. It's lawyers."

[tommo]

Please, call me Simon.

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No metaphors...just fucking.

[Zooey42]

Simon, huh? Whatever makes you happy.



BTW, I've been meaning to tell you that your style of writing and sense of humor remind me a lot of my ex-girlfriend. And that's a compliment, in case you were wondering.





I put way damn too many smilies in my posts, don't I? When did I become so terminally cheerful?

Willow: "Aha! A curse on Slayers. Oh, no, wait. It's lawyers."

[sassyeggs]

zooey42 You scared me for a moment. I was skimming your post and saw the words "Tara" and "hell" in the same sentence, and thought you had gone bonkers. I firmly believe that Amber and Tara will be back next year. How lame it will be remains to be seen, but I feel like the investment they have made in her character's progression have not been simply a lead-on to kill her. They haven't shown half of the nurturing growth with Anya that they have shown with Tara.

"This demon that can be summoned - some sort of lord of the dance. But not the scary one - just a demon."
-Tara, Once More, With Feeling

[Zooey42]

Oops, sorry, sassyeggs. I didn't mean to scare you. Actually those words are in different sentences, but one does directly follow the other.

Willow: "Aha! A curse on Slayers. Oh, no, wait. It's lawyers."

[sassyeggs]

It's okay, zooey42, I've taken my pills now. I'm much better.

"This demon that can be summoned - some sort of lord of the dance. But not the scary one - just a demon."
-Tara, Once More, With Feeling

[tommo]

Zooey 42, well thank you. Nice to know I'm someone's ex.

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No metaphors...just fucking.

[Zooey42]

sassyeggs--What kind of pills? Are they good pills? Can I have some, too?



You're welcome, tommo/Simon/Ruth. FWIW, I wish she were my non-ex, rather than my ex, but we can't always get what we want.

Willow: "Aha! A curse on Slayers. Oh, no, wait. It's lawyers."

[sassyeggs]

Oh, Zooey42, they're quite good pills. They cause mildly pornographic hallucinations of Willow and Tara for hours on end. And, they're in the shape of the Flintstones! Hmmm.... Maybe the hallucinations are just in my head. Oh, well.

"This demon that can be summoned - some sort of lord of the dance. But not the scary one - just a demon."
-Tara, Once More, With Feeling

[Zooey42]

Only mildly pornographic? Darn...

Willow: "Aha! A curse on Slayers. Oh, no, wait. It's lawyers."

[alexis]

i have read in the above post about tara to be back next season... and it makes me see things circle around my head wondering how they'd do that when the spoilers said that tara died and even willow wasn't able to bring her back... not that i don't want tara/amber to be back because i don't want her gone in the first place which brings me back to the original question "why the hell do they have to kill tara?" and if ever they bring tara/amber back next season after dying, how? ("how?" being a redundant question) i mean, [1] would tara appear in willow's dreams becoming more like of a karate-kid-mentor of sorts... or [2] rise from the dead like buffy did in the season premiere... hell, this is so confusing!



oh, by the way... this rant comes in full blast babble mode... k?

[urnofosiris]

Okay I picked up this link from this thread on the KItten. I am sure most of you have seen it, but I can't comment there about how ironic it is that Tara should be number one in a positive poll. When did that ever happen? Jeez, I wonder if it is like with painters, they die and then their paintings become worth millions. Bleh excuse me, I am pleased to see Tara and Willow as no 1 and 2, I really am, my bitterness is directed at you know what.

Edited by: DrG at: 4/28/02 2:46:13 am

[Dave V]

My two favourite characters on my once-favourite television show are 1 and 2. Only now fans get a clue? I'm giving up irony - there's no future in it.

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Bitterness, I'm your bitch.

[Sweetjane]

i know it seems stupid and just ilogical , but i can't help being so goddamn affected by Tara's death - i just decided to go ahead and spoil myself yesterday - i don't ususally , and it's horrible . it's just taken me by surprise.



Tara is an innocent , she is the nurturing salt of the earth character . Tara and Willow were tha main reason i came out to my friends and family and Tara in particular embodied something to hope for , she made me have faith in normality , love and relationships as a young gay girl. she made it all normal and ok . In Tara i had first contact to what *could* be and the nature of selfless love and relationships .



I know they're characters on a screen , but with the kitten and fan fic and everything else , they have become something else to all of us . i suppose it's different for everyone , but it just seems so pointless . i can't see at all the story arc in this .



i don't like . i really like Tara .



Sweetjane

"Say i'm weary , say i'm sad , Say that health and wealth have missed me ,
Say i'm growing old but add; Jenny kissed me"

[urnofosiris]

Sweetjane, you, me and the rest of the board and so many others who love WT. There is no sense in this. No excuse. How you feel is not stupid or illogical, those words may better decribe this storyline.

Edited by: DrG at: 4/28/02 6:27:32 am

[Sheridan]

sweetjane it totally sucks, the only hope resides in the prospect that like so many deaths in the Buffyverse it will be temporary

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[themagicpixie]

I am doing my best to drag myself out of denial, but I really can't watch this programme any more if they do this.



I understand SweetJane, Tara rocks! & she is one of the characters who made me feel better about being gay. It seems so weird to some people sometimes - my sister used to rip the p*** out of me something terrible for watching every TV programme with gay women in! - but growing up you look for validation & support and if you can't tell the people around you, or if they don't understand, then you have to look elsewhere...



I can remember watching an episode of Buffy with a (straight) friend - I think it may have been "New Moon Rising" - and she said: "See? You can have a happy and beautiful relationship with another woman!" & I believed her & felt very upbeat for days!



I realise Joss & ME have said they are not interested in creating role models out of these characters and that the drama, rather than the politics, comes first, but I wish they'd understand how much many young gay people invest in gay characters. I am not trying to make them feel guilty. I just don't know if they realise it is not just an interest in lesbianism that makes younger gay & bisexual people watch this relationship & take it to their hearts - it is seeing what is IN their hearts, so often derided and denounced by those around them, played out on the TV screens of their homes and shown to be normal, natural, enduring and _fun_. I know this has helped me.

[TheCardinal2]

Sweet post, themagicpixie. You're going to make someone a lovely...er...partner one of these fine days (if you haven't already !)

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Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[themagicpixie]

Ah well I have had a g/f for more than a year now... sadly we are fighting like anything right at the moment, plus I am in Vancouver on holiday for a month and she is in Cambridge, England... but apart from that !

[Sheridan]

Quote:

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You're going to make someone a lovely...er...partner one of these fine days

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Which comment got me to thinking just how liberal is California law? I mean could Tara and Willow actually be the first ones to make it up the aisle? (Because she is coming back, and they will be together again)

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[TheCardinal2]

themagicpixie - Cambridge, eh ? That's not far from me. Sorry to hear about the fighting - hope it's not the W/T thing causing tension.



Sheridan - Yeah ! That is one hell of an idea. That would just be so...so...beautifully wonderful. Damn ! I may start to cry...no wait, I can distract myself with the W/T wrestling in oil fantasy again if I'm quick.



Aaaarrgghh !



*The Cardinal recoils with the shock from his anti-smut brain chip...again*

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Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[themagicpixie]

I will settle for W/T happy & together, I don't need the show to make a big gay marriage statement - W&T have been about as married as people can be, living together, sharing decisions, being so close etc. so they don't exactly need a ceremony JUST BOTH TO BE FREAKIN' ALIVE.



Ahem. *Starting drinking*

[TheCardinal2]

*holds up hands in gesture of surrender*



Totally, absolutely 110% right. No arguments with that at all.....now just put the broken bottle down and we can talk about it, Ok ??

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Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[themagicpixie]

I'm sorry, I wasn't attacking you! You are very sweet!



I was attacking the *throws head to one side* the damn evilness of this, and the Buffy-, world * sigh*

[Sheridan]

The marriage thing just struck me as being some small compensation for the hell they are putting us through, and I'm pretty sure neither of them would run out on the ceremony like a certain Mr X we won't mention. Seriously I do understand9in as much as a straight guy can) that Willow and Tara aren't just two warm, sweet, romantic characters, they are unique on TV, and in case you are wondering that applies to the UK as well as the US.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[TheCardinal2]

themagicpixie: Thank you, kind lady who I've never met before.



You should have said sweet and misunderstood. *sigh* I just seem to have developed the unfortunate habit of opening my mouth and putting my foot straight in it around here.



Got a spare drink there for care-worn W/T fan ?

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Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[Sweetjane]

i just have to tell you what you said so rang true - i mean yeah my sister used to - to put it nicely - mock me for watching everything with even the smallest gay character in it -



i really get the sentiment - i really have looked for validation and all that , trying to make sense of it all



nice to know peeps feel the same



Sweetjane

"Say i'm weary , say i'm sad , Say that health and wealth have missed me ,
Say i'm growing old but add; Jenny kissed me"

[themagicpixie]

Hey Cardinal have a double! * passing around the alcohol, though of course only to the over-21s (or over 18s if you're Brit or Aussie. Oh, and Canadians... er 18 except 19 in BC. Right).



SweetJanes: Yep! I understand! My sister's got over it now.



Sis: Has this got lesbians in it?

Me: No.

Sis: Why are YOU watching it then?

Me: Sigh.

Sis: Tee hee!



She doesn't mind so much anymore. She doesn't mind the being gay, she just doesn't like my g/f! Oh dear!



It's a beautiful day in Vancouver. I am going to go and sit in the sun in Stanley Park & think positive!

Edited by: themagicpixie at: 4/28/02 2:37:07 pm

[Sweetjane]

*takes the bottle and takes a shot*



yeah for me she was more like :



"soooooo which one of my friends do you fancy? you great big dyke!" and that kind of thing , but in a funny way.



the timing for this couldn't have been worse , Tara's like an emotional crutch for me ( silly i know) but their relationship is imporatne for me , and now it's just not good! i have exams in about 6 weeks ....i don't need this darn it!



well , as part of my positive thinking programme i shall now head off with my bottle of JD ( or some such other strong drink that makes me look all hardy) and write an assignment on madness .......



i couldn't think of anything else i would rather be doing .....arg!



Sweetjane

"Say i'm weary , say i'm sad , Say that health and wealth have missed me ,
Say i'm growing old but add; Jenny kissed me"

[MarineWicca]

Awhile back, and I forget which thread I said it on, I suggested a simple Wiccan handfasting. I don't see W/T going for the whole white gown, walk down the aisle, rice getting thrown at them thing. I agree with Sheridan, after all this pain and torture we/they deserve a happy ending, and the ceremony would seem to fill the bill.

Hey, I may be a Marine, but I'm also a hopeless romantic