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Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

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Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby tyche » Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:00 am

Not much W/T stuff, but a good read nonetheless. There are some minor spoilers for season 6, and there's also some detail about the animated series and Giles spin-offs, so I''m leaving some spoiler space...
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Buffy R.I.P.?
Writer. Producer. Director. Comic Book fan. The man behind ‘Buffy’ has many hats,. But does he have enough hours in the day? In an exclusive interview Joss Whedon tells ‘dreamwatch’ that he hasn’t even begun...
Words: John Mosby

One particularly enthusiastic ‘Buffy’ fan at the recent Nocturnal 3K event in London was heard to remark “I know Joss Whedon is a god. I’m just not sure which one!” As over the top as his comment may seem, said fan has a good point. Whedon has played god to the ‘Buffy’ franchise for around a decade, having created and produced the hit TV series and written its original incarnation, the 1992 film. Whedon is also the only TV creator to sign a deal to continue his vision and expand it into new dimensions, and then decide to kill off his central protagonist!
“Buffy is dead.” It sounds unbelievable, but Whedon keeps repeating these three words throughout his much-anticipated appearance at Nocturnal 3K. He makes no apologies and offers few clues about the future of the show. But continue it will.

Death becomes her
After gaining the rights to the series from the WB, the UPN network will premiere ‘Buffy’s sixth season across the US in the autumn, and has already committed itself to a seventh year. Buffy will be back. Sarah Michelle Gellar will be back. Oh by the way, did we mention - Buffy is dead?!
“I did warn UPN”, says Whedon of events in ‘Buffy’s fifth season finale, ‘The Gift’, shortly after his main appearance at Nocturnal. “I told them ‘Guys, you may see something in the final episode that disturbs you slightly!’
“UPN were great about it. After the show aired they took the gravestone and they shot an ad with it. The very next day they aired it with the tag-line ‘They say when you die you go to a better place. This fall, the next season of ‘Buffy’ comes to UPN!’,” he reveals with a chuckle.
Buffy’s death at the end of season five followed months of uncertainty abut the series’ future. The basic argument and battle of spin between UPN and the WB has been well documented and received much public comment. But some fans wondered if the show would come back at all. The ‘Series Finale’ tag with which the WB promoted the show’s 100th episode led many viewers to wrongly believe that this was the end of the story.
“In all honesty, we were too busy dealing with the whole network move to anticipate the exact reaction [to the ending]”, recalls Whedon. “Yes, there was the fact that she died and we knew that there would be confusion. Then, the network [the WB] actually tried to pretend it was the final ever episode. We were so caught up in that we didn’t really have time to think about how people would react to it. Apart from the confusion, most people seemed to like it.”
Whedon might be ‘Buffy’s creator and it’s still very clearly his vision, but some of the basic decisions were out of his hands. The WB, or more accurately certain people within the company, were claiming they weren’t overtly bothered about losing ‘Buffy’. Did Whedon have any sleepless nights as to what the final outcome might have been?
“Not really sleepless nights, no”, he replies. “I mean, Buffy’s dead and if they told me that I could never make another one, I would have reached a sort of closure.
“But it was not wonderful to be completely rejected by your own network”, admits Whedon candidly. “That’s not the most fun I ever had. I figured, we’d have a place to go and we’d continue to make shows. If no-one else had stepped up, Fox probably wouldn’t have pulled the show off the air, just grumbled a lot. It still grates to be unappreciated.”

Six appeal
Not even an unappreciative US TV executive could fail to recognise how excited regular viewers are about ‘Buffy’s upcoming sixth season, especially in the wake of Buffy’s death at the end of series five. Whedon, of course, could probably tell us everything, but he knows that would ruin the surprises. Instead he drops the crumbs he’s been famous for.
“On ‘Buffy’, Tony’s going to become a recurring character [as Giles]”, he says. “There won’t be any other changes to‘Buffy’s credits. The thing was that if the opening credits got any longer, we’d have to have a longer song. We want to keep the number of credits down at the beginning.
“I can’t say a lot else, of course...” he muses. “I can confirm that it is a two-hour episode for the start of ‘Buffy’. We broke it as a two-parter and it will be shown as a two-hour episode which could then be broken up as needed. It will be written as if it were two separate episodes, the same process as we started with over five years ago.
“Next season we’ll be watching these people reaching an older part of their lives, being still relatively young but having to make decisions that they’ve normally felt older people would have to do”, he states. “They’re going to find out how hard that is. Ultimately, this is the stuff that never goes away, it’s a universal theme that everyone can identify with.”
As for the third season of ‘Buffy’s spin-off series, Whedon notes: “On ‘Angel’, we have a cast addition, Amy Acker, who played Fred [in the season finale arc], is joining the cast as a series regular.
“It will be great to be back filming both shows.”

New Dimensions
Whedon is currently toying with several possible projects, both in and out of the Slayer universe. He admits that he constantly gets inspired to chart new territories and media.
“Everything fascinates me”, he explains. “Everything I see, I want to do. When I see a play, I want to write a play. Every time I see a t-shirt, I want to write a t-shirt. I can’t help it. I can’t finish books, because halfway through I want to go write one. So it’s both frustrating and wonderful. Right now, I’m trying to fathom music for the musical episode we’re doing next season.”
This past season, Whedon directed several ‘Buffy’ episodes including ‘The Body’, arguably the finest episode of any show in recent memory. The episode dealt with the sudden (and natural) death of Buffy’s mother and was inspired by emotive events in Whedon’s own life. He confirms he’ll be back behind the camera for the more whimsical musical episode. But don’t hold your breath for an encore from Whedon’s alter-ego, Numfar (last seen in ‘Angel’.) “The only directing that’s definitely set is the musical episode, so we’ll see”, he says. “But you know, playing Numfar was terrific. I danced in the rehearsal room because I’m easily bored and they decided I’d have to do it. It was also great because I don’t see the ‘Angel’ crew that much. I came in ‘Yes, I’m the leader. Now, watch me dance!’ It was great fun. I gave out the clue on the internet as to what role I’d cameo in. ‘Dignity. Always dignity’ was actually a line from Gene Kelly in ‘Singin’ in the Rain’!”

Ripping Yarns
One might suspect that a man responsible for two successful primetime TV shows would be content with that success. However, the next year will see Whedon increasing his workload in several diverse directions. One of his most eagerly awaited new projects is the proposed spin-off show featuring Buffy’s Watcher, Rupert ‘Ripper’ Giles.
Anthony Stewart Head has been a series regular from the very first episode of ‘Buffy’, but will become a recurring character on the show from next season. This will allow the actor to spend more time with his family in the UK. Bearing this in mind, Whedon has seen an opportunity to further explore the Watchers’ life outside Sunnydale and also fulfil a desire to work with the BBC.
“The [new] show wouldn’t conflict with the rest of the ‘universe’, but it would definitely stand by itself. It’s going to have a very different identity”, elaborates Whedon. “That’s not to say that other characters couldn’t come and visit. Everyone has said ‘Me please!’, because they want to work abroad.
“I admit, I was looking to make a show that has a British feel. In fact, when I was initially talking to the BBC, they said ‘...not too British, because something has to happen, right?’,” laughs Whedon. “There will be some colour in the frame at some point ! They were [and are] interested in the way I do things, because it’s different, and I’m interested in the way they do things. There’s the potential there for a happy marriage.”
Many of the pieces for the project are in place. Whedon has a detailed outline for the first story, which Anthony Head has likened to ‘Cracker with ghosts’. Whedon currently hopes he can begin to shoot the new series around the end of the year or the beginning of 2002.
“I haven’t actually seen ‘Cracker’, but I knew its tone. I’d seen ‘Prime Suspect’ and I liked that a lot. I wanted to do something quiet and grown up, but [with] really good, old-fashioned ghost stories. At the same time, I wanted to play with the emotional life of a character that I’m really interested in. He’s [someone who is] noble, very quiet, but who is also a real bad-ass when pushed. I want to tell stories that are not always resolved quite as often with kick-boxing!”, he states with a grin.
Some viewers have expressed concern that a BBC-produced ‘Buffy’ spin-off might not keep the magic of its parent show. After all, the Beeb doesn’t have the best track record in knowing how to create or treat cult shows. In recent years, ‘Invasion: Earth’, ‘Bugs’ and a continued vagueness about their commitment to ‘Doctor Who’ have not inspired confidence. This is also a broadcaster that regularly broadcasts ‘Buffy’ in the early evening, despite the fact that many of its mature themes are not suitable for younger viewers. So, would any Giles show suffer the same fate?
“We were all very clear from the very start about it being a 9pm-type of show”, responds Whedon firmly. “That’s not because it’s particularly gory. It’s just entirely aimed at a mature, adult audience and so we can take our time with it.
“My plan is to direct the first episode as a sort of template and just for the experience to direct something here in the UK. Then we’d hope to find a crew here. I think some of my existing writers are hoping to contribute too. I would supervise and make notes - basically, a longer-term version of what I already do on ‘Buffy’. We’re aiming to make it a six-episode series, but right now we’re aiming to initially shoot a pilot and we’d hope it goes to the full six. If we need to shoot the pilot and then wait, then that’s okay.”

Beyond Buffy
If the BBC spin-off comes to fruition, it will be the third ‘Buffy’-related series to reach the screen. A further spin-off is also set to debut on Fox before the end of 2002, in the unique form of the animated ‘Buffy’ series. This, like the British spin-off, will not contradict established continuity, but will take place in the early days of Buffy’s high school adventures and will be aimed at a younger audience.
Whedon wipes his brow in mock horror at the thought of four networks and the workload - but that’s not the end of his future projects. Right now, he is currently writing ‘Fray’ for Dark Horse Comics. This tells the story of a soon-to-be Slayer set in a future metropolis where gangsters, mutants and overworked police officers fight for control. Melaka Fray is a thief, but that career is going to come to a grinding halt when it is revealed that she is the first ‘Chosen One’ in over 200 years. Whedon is pleased with the interest in the project and relieved that the first issue has done so well, but notes that “How well the second issue sells is the test!”
As well as his contribution to the ‘Buffy’ and ‘Fray’ comics, Whedon is a self-diagnosed comic junkie. He wrote a version of the ‘X-Men’ movie script, though his contributions were not eventually used. When asked if he’s ever wanted - or been asked - to get involved with writing any existing Marvel or DC character for actual comics, Whedon’s answer is rather unexpected.
“Y’know, we’ve had very tentative talks about ‘Iron Man’”, he announces. “That was a project I really wanted a long time ago. People might have laughed at the idea then. They don’t anymore.
“But it’s very tentative and embryonic at the moment. Nobody has made any real offers yet. The thing is, nobody’s ever made a good movie of a comic book. They still haven’t. I’d disagree with the notion that we’re getting closer to it. Actually, I think the original Christopher Reeve ‘Superman’ movie was the closest we’ve come - at least, that’s the way I perceived it as a kid. I don’t have high hopes for any of them, but my theories are based entirely on hubris”, he says with a chuckle.
Whedon’s success has given the self-confessed ‘geek’ and ‘fanboy’ a powerbase to work from. But he doesn’t want to be solely associated with the ‘Buffy’ franchise. His deal with Fox will allow him to explore other avenues on television and film. Despite his rewarding and popular ties to the world of ‘Buffy’, he is eager to show that he can create other characters and situations to similar success.
“Ohhh, yes, I must get away from this beast, er .. I mean this show that I love”, he declares, smiling. “It is important to me to do other things outside of ‘Buffy’. I’m working on a movie script right now and it’s why I love the Shakespeare readings that the cast and I do. It’s why I took movie gigs while I was running two shows. It does feed you and it does help to go somewhere else sometimes.”
Given the slings and arrows (not to mention stakes, axes and cutthroat politics) of outrageous fortune that have surrounded ‘Buffy’ both on and off screen over the last year, there’s little doubt that Whedon and his audience are both set for an exciting time as its sixth season unfolds. The next year will be a testing ground for the changes that the last season has wrought, but there will be no shortage of people ready for a resurrection in ratings and controversy come October.
By the way, Buffy is dead. Just thought we’d better mention that...

The other Joss Whedon
Y’know .. the film guy!

* Born on 23rd June 1964, Joss Whedon was seemingly destined for a career as a scriptwriter.
* In a growing family tradition, Whedon’s father Tom was a writer on sitcoms including ‘Alice’, ‘Benson’ and ‘The Golden Girls’, while his grandfather John penned scripts for ‘The Dick Van Dyke Show’ and ‘The Donna Reed Show’.
* Growing up in Manhattan with his brothers Zachary and Jed, Joss spent his final year of high school at Winchester, a British school for boys, before enrolling in a film studies degree course at Wesleyan University. After graduating in 1987, Whedon worked in a video store while penning speculative scripts, and married Kai Cole.
* Moving to Los Angeles, he found work as a writer on hit sitcom ‘Roseanne’, serving as a story editor and penning several episodes. As his career continued to develop, Whedon became writer and co- producer on the NBC comedy drama ‘Parenthood’, based on the 1989 feature film.
* Progressing into feature films, Whedon wrote the script for the 1992 production ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’. Whedon’s tale starred Kirsty Swanson as a high school cheerleader who finds that she has been chosen to kill the undead. Though the film proved a commercial disappointment, Whedon would eventually resurrect the concept as the popular TV adventure series.
* Outside of ‘Buffy’ and its hit spin-off series ‘Angel’, Whedon’s writing credits include smash hit CGI fantasy film ‘Toy Story’ and science fiction features ‘Alien: Resurrection’ and ‘Titan AE’. A huge comics fan, Whedon also penned an unused screenplay for superhero feature ‘X-Men’ and made uncredited contributions to films ‘Speed’, ‘Waterworld’, ‘Twister’ and ‘Lion King II: Simba’s Pride’.
* Whedon also contributed to the storyline on the new animated adventure film ‘Atlantis: The Lost Empire’, currently screening in US cinemas, and is writer of the new limited Dark Horse comic ‘Fray’.
* Having helmed an episode of ‘Boy Meets World’, Whedon has directed several episodes of ‘Buffy’ and ‘Angel’ and made his acting debut in the ‘Angel’ episode ‘Through the Looking Glass’ with a cameo as the dancing Numfar of the Deathwok Clan.
* Gaining Emmy and Bram Stoker nominations for the ‘Buffy’ episode ‘Hush’, Whedon’s work has also been recognised with an Oscar nomination and Annie win for ‘Toy Story’s screenplay, and an Annie nomination for his lyrics to ‘Lion King II’ song ‘My Lullaby’.
* Whedon’s future projects include an animated ‘Buffy’ series, and another possible ‘Buffy’ spin-off produced by the BBC and centred on the heroine’s mentor, Rupert Giles.
- Rod Edgar

tyche
 


Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby Warduke » Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:17 am

Thanks for the transcript tyche.

“On ‘Buffy’, Tony’s going to become a recurring character [as Giles]”, he says. “There won’t be any other changes to Buffy’s credits. The thing was that if the opening credits got any longer, we’d have to have a longer song. We want to keep the number of credits down at the beginning.

But I still can't believe that this is the real reason that Amber won't be in the credits, it would be so amazingly lame, when Marc left, Michelle took his place, now that Tony is leaving, Amber could take his place, without adding any length to the credits, so that statement is total BS.

Warduke
 


Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby Ed Wood » Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:20 am

Thanks tyche!

Warduke: I think Joss is playing with us

Ed Wood
 


Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby WiccanBex » Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:25 am

thanks for the transcript, tyche.

i never get bored of joss whedon interviews - that man rules!

WiccanBex
 


Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby Halcyon » Sat Aug 18, 2001 10:06 am

Thanks tyche,

Brian, he said the same thing to SFX too...either he sticks real well to his cover stories or he actually means it.

*sigh*

Halcyon
 


Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby tommo » Sat Aug 18, 2001 10:13 am

Thanks tyche. Is this the new issue? That's another mag I have to get hold of then...sigh...

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Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby GODisTigger » Sat Aug 18, 2001 10:25 am

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Originally posted by Warduke:
But I still can't believe that this is the real reason that Amber won't be in the credits, it would be so amazingly lame, when Marc left, Michelle took his place, now that Tony is leaving, Amber could take his place, without adding any length to the credits, so that statement is total BS.

Actually Marc and Michelle were in the credits at the same time, when Marc left they did a little rearranging and adding of filler scenes and tossed in one new scene for James' credits. So, yes that statement would be total BS.

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Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby Warduke » Sat Aug 18, 2001 10:31 am

I totally forgot about that D, you're right, they were in the credits at the same time, so then it's even bigger BS.
Warduke
 


Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby Zahir » Sat Aug 18, 2001 10:58 am

The reasons for Amber not being in the credits could be many, and I think likely to be technical. One reason might be to allow Amber time off to do a private project (which might qualify as a spoiler so they're trying to keep it under wraps). Another could be financial--some technical detail that would require a renegotiation of Amber's contract (remember Joss does not have total control of his budget).

Of course, another reason is because Joss just wants to mind-frell us!

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Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby morgan1707 » Sat Aug 18, 2001 12:15 pm

Not the argument about Amber in the credits... please. We've been through that a thousand times! I think that she might be in the credits at some point in the Season (a la Marc Blucas and James Marsters) but I'm pinning my hopes on it.
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Transcript: Joss interview from 'Dreamwatch', Sept 2001

Postby Dr.G » Sat Aug 18, 2001 12:25 pm

Well you know Morgan, I suspect we will have this argument a few more times till she *is* in the credits, because that is the only thing good enough for me.
Warduke amen.

Tyche, thanks for typing this up and posting it.

I do like Joss, just not when it comes to this, but well, he hired Amber in the first place, so he can't be all bad.

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