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Hope this clarifies my point because I don't mean to insult anyone.-Sam
Sam, I'm not insulted more so than I am just plain sad that people still view things this way. They just don't get it and your comments only prove the thing that makes my stomach sink to the floor. Granted, she has talent, but she knows good and well that without her predecessors, she may not have even been able to stand on that stage. So, yes, it is very much about colour on one hand, but also about her amazing talent on the other. She shouldn't have to mouth all the polite phrases that people expect..if that were the case, watching the Oscars would be boring as hell. I loved that her response was so moving and so geniune. If I'd wanted to hear someone sound like Julia Roberts, I'd get my tape of the Oscars from last year and listen to the real deal. Like I said, I'm not insulted (and I really wasn't targeting you or singling you out, Sam...there are others who have pretty much said the same thing you have and it just struck a nerve somehow. So my apologies if you thought I was singling you out for a lecture of some sort)...the whole inequity of the voting process and the negative comments that people were makins just makes me sad. Judy: *deep bow* Happy to meet you btw (I lurk mostly so I wasn't sure if we've met)....no thanks necessary...I was just so disappointed to see these reactions that I eventually gave in to this blasted Inner Child and said something. Around this time, I should be putting on my flame retardent long johns....it should be hitting any time now
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Registered: Feb 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 14:28
ok, but theres no conversation about the *real* important issue here: the dresses.i thought halle berry looked tremendously beautiful, but i do have to say, the top of the hottie list last night was clearly cameron diaz. her dress looked sooo good on her, and comfortable, tasteful, and colorful. and i really liked her hair. julia roberts looked surprisingly elegant and good in her dress as well, i have to say. not usually a big fan of her. and uma thurman... my mother thinks shes pregnant, because we had this conversation about how big her boobs looked in that dress. i feel like if her boobs were always that big, i would have noticed before. i dont think her dress was very flattering, and ethan hawke is way too short for her. so those are my observations about the oscars. i did watch much of it with the volume off, and i love movies to bits, but i dont put too much stock in these awards things. i just like to look at the dresses. oh, and one last thing. mr. gandalf (i dont remember his real name)... cradlerobber much?
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Registered: Mar 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 14:38
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Originally posted by rocketdyke:
ok, but theres no conversation about the *real* important issue here: the dresses.i thought halle berry looked tremendously beautiful, but i do have to say, the top of the hottie list last night was clearly cameron diaz. her dress looked sooo good on her, and comfortable, tasteful, and colorful. and i really liked her hair. julia roberts looked surprisingly elegant and good in her dress as well, i have to say. not usually a big fan of her.
I thought Julia Roberts's and Helen Hunt's dresses were so tasteful and classes (not surprising. The only dress I truly had a problem with was Gwyneth Paltrow's.....apparently she decided that she really didn't need a bra all that much It would've helped a bit though. I was so surprised because normally she dresses rather well.
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oh, and one last thing. mr. gandalf (i dont remember his real name)... cradlerobber much?
hehe.michele
LMAO! That was Sir Ian McKellen and yes, Diana and I commented on the pretty young thing that was draped all over the man. At first, I thought I was seeing things.
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Registered: May 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 14:42
Just a brief comment on Halle Berry. I was moved to tears during her acceptance speech,and I don't think her genuine emotion should be compared to Gwynnie
's dramatics. I thought the way she mentionned other black actresses was very gracefull, and I don't think it could have gone to a more deserving actress.And can I just mention I got all giddy when I saw Judith hench hugging her when they announced the result? Two of my favorite acting ladies! IP: Logged | judy
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*curtsies to Kieli* I think we have met but nice to meet you again.Michele, when I commented on Uma's breast size last night I was told by my friends that she just had a baby and is breastfeeding. Hence the lush prominence of her bosom. [This message has been edited by judy (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged | SciFiAcid
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I lost all respect for the Oscars when Gwyneth Paltrow won for Shakespeare in Love . It wasn't so much that she won for that picture, which I didn't think was all that, it was that they picked her over... Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth and Emily Watson in Hilary and Jackie. Of course, Meryl Streep was nominated that year, as well as Fernanda Montenegro for Central Station, which I heard was fabulous but never saw myself. So, I pretty much never watch and could care less these days. I just don't think the Oscar 'means' what it should and it just sucks.But, I'm always glad to see people who have been in the biz for a long time finally get some recognition. Jim Broadbent in Enchanted April, which is still one of my favorite movies or in Topsy-Turvy, Moulin Rouge… and on and on. Ack anyway, yeah who was Jodie’s date? tehe
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Registered: Jun 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 14:57
I still say Peter Jackson was robbed of Best Director. He deserved it so much for his brillaint vision and the obvious passion he had for the film. I reckon awards just don't like fantasy whether LOTR or Buffy... Grrr... Arg! ------------------
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Registered: Mar 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 14:57
Heh, we were wondering that too....if that blonde was Jodie's date or just a friend. Jodie still seems to have the power to move mountains with just her voice. And what about Kevin Spacey's moving plea for a moment of silence? And Whoopi's "NYC, we got your back." line?T. BTW, Adrienne, LOVE your sig. It is ever so true
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And Helen Mirren was robbed. Her final scene in that film is one of the most moving I’ve ever seen on screen.
And you know, she's constantly overlooked. She's one of the most versatile actors we have and damn, she's still sexy. I have the utmost respect for her, her appearance in French and Saunders notwithstanding. Heh.
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Nowadays, Judi Dench and Kate Winslet are the equivalent of Meryl Streep from the late 80s/early 90s – i.e. they get nominated simply for turning up. Judi Dench is wonderful, but I don’t have such a high opinion of Kate Winslet. Winslet is an excellent actress and I liked her earlier films, but nowadays she seems to be falling back on formulaic Academy-friendly costume dramas.
Well, the truth about Kate Winslet is that she made it big with Titanic. She's done better stuff though, namely Heavenly Creatures, which I thought was an amazing performance for one so young. I'm afraid that Hollywood has turned her head quite a bit, by all accounts. It's just an impression I get. And uh...let's not forget her stunning recording debut. Ahem. Yes yes, I'm bitchy... quote:
Judi Dench should have won for ‘Mrs Brown’, and the Academy probably felt so guilty that she didn’t that they’ve been nominating her for everything ever since.[b][quote]Agreed. That was a stellar performance. However, you know, I can't think of anything I've seen Judi Dench in that I [b]didn't like. She's just so good in everything. Similarly Maggie Smith. And that's the sign of true talent I guess. There's no pigeon hole for them because they fill all of them so well. And yes, they were gracious in defeat and it was nice to see them so deeply affected by what Halle Berry was saying. Props to them.
[quote]I’m sure they’ll get round to giving Emily Watson the Oscar she deserved for ‘Breaking the Waves’ one day, though. Probably when she’s a grande dame of British film.
God tyche, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I noticed her sitting there in the second row and I was like, Emily Watson! She's such a great actress!
I too noticed Ian McKellen's boyfriend. Honestly, I thought it was Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen at first *snigger*. And I know I've spelt that incorrectly somewhere. But you know what? I love Ian McKellen. He's out there, doing what he loves and he's never been ashamed of who he is or his sexuality. And I can't think of a woman in that position, although I really would like to. I remember a program on tv once that had quotes from lesbian actresses who, for their own career, had chosen not to come out. Shame, I say. Edited to add: YES DRI! Enchanted April is a marvelous film. Teeny tiny and yet astounding. I think I cried. Let me see, Miranda Richardson, right? And Josie Lawrence (again, heavily underrated as a serious actress). Heh, I love that we share tastes in British movies. By the way, I noticed Janet McTeer has made a movie in the US lately. Yum. ------------------
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Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance. (That year there were two much worthier performances than Gwynnie: Fernanda Montenegro and Cate Blanchett. I think that was the point I lost respect for the Oscars. That, and the year Marisa Tomei - who is a great actress, btw - won the Supporting Actress award basically for not being British or Australian. But hey, what's the fun of the Oscars if you can't bitch about 'em?)
Oh, and re: Will Smith, according to E! Online, he left the ceremony after being a presenter. Story here.
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Registered: May 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 15:17
hey Rocketdyke and Kieli, you guys crack me up. I agree that Julia looked great, but I think that she always does. And what was up with Uma's boobs? They looked HUGE! And I think Gwenny would have looked a lot better with a bra too. Her breasts just looked strange when she usually looks so great. And I noticed that young thing on Ian too! I was thinking the same thing about cradle robbing. But in a funny non-offensive way of course.I'm also with Tommo on the fact that I didn't expect Moulin Rouge or LOTR to win much even though I totally loved both those movies. The acadamy just never really favors fantasy type movies like these. And I wasn't surprised in the least when A Beautiful Mind won because it is the type of movie that would win with the acadamy. There was no doubt in my mind that it would win. And I KNOW that Will Smith was there because remember Whoopie's 'Smith' joke in the beginning? About all the Smith's sitting together? Will, Jada and Maggie. And I totally didn't hear about a family emergency. I wonder what happened. I just thought he was at the bathroom or something. And I DIDN'T notice a cute blonde that appeared to be Jodie's date. When did they show that? On another note I'm really anxious to see the Panic Room that opens on Friday. I haven't seen a good Jodie Foster movie in a while. ------------------
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Warning: Long ramble ahead... My apologies in advance...When Halle Berry made her acceptance speech, I didn't interpret it as her saying, "I only won this because I'm black." She did thank everyone involved in the project (the director, producers, studio, etc.) for believing in her. She also thanked the Academy for their support. BUT, like she said in the beginning of her speech, the moment was "so much bigger than me." Why? Because as much as we'd like to believe the awards always go to the most deserving actors or films, they don't (Because of politics, overdue kudos, or the deep pockets of the studio cough cough Miramax cough cough. Who knows?). During the past 74 years, many black actors and actresses have been denied the award (and nomination!) just because of their skin color. This isn't limited to people of color, either. How many women have won an Academy Award for directing? Hell, how many have even been nominated? (The Director category is still very much a boy's club.) I hate to sound cynical, but people who believe that this still doesn't happen today are truly looking at the world through rose colored glasses. It's upsetting to think that people are belittling Berry's achievement because of her speech. I don't believe Berry was saying that she won because she was black. She was expressing her gratitude at the fact that the Academy has come a long way in 74 years to be able to overlook skin color and award an actor for their performance. (And although I loved Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge, Berry deserved her win because she tackled such a dark and disturbing role and did it exceptionally well!) Have we gotten to the point where everyone is viewed equally? Hell no, but last night was a step in the right direction. What's so wrong with that? Did Berry deserve the Academy Award because of her performance? Yes. (How many people have the "balls" to play a woman who falls in love with a racist? In her speech, she thanked the film's director for helping her go through dark places.) But like she said, it's bigger than that. There were many women who came before her that didn't recieve an Oscar because they were black. And it's a big deal to be the first one. For example, it's kind of like Hilary Swank's speech a few years ago when she won Best Actress for playing Brandon Teena in "Boys Don't Cry." Fifty years ago (heck, even ten years ago), who would have ever thought an actor portraying a gay character would win an Academy Award? Granted Hilary Swank is straight, but the fact that she WON showed that the Academy can actually make the right choices now and again (It was rumored that Annette Bening was going to win that year just because "it was her time" or whatever...) That was a landmark win, but I didn't see anyone saying, Oh Hilary Swank shouldn't have mentioned the "gay issues" in her acceptance speech. Anyway, sorry for the long ramble. This isn't an attack on other posters (everyone is entitled to their opinions), but reading some of the posts here today have been rather upsetting and I just had to say something... [This message has been edited by JBC (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged | SciFiAcid
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And you know, she's constantly overlooked. She's one of the most versatile actors we have and damn, she's still sexy. I have the utmost respect for her, her appearance in French and Saunders notwithstanding. Heh.
Ah, come on now Ruth. That bit where they had Helen, Janet, ack, the other woman who’s like in EVERYTHING British that I see, with F/S, all bidding for parts in the new Lynda La Plante script was fabulous! quote:
Edited to add: YES DRI! Enchanted April is a marvelous film. Teeny tiny and yet astounding. I think I cried. Let me see, Miranda Richardson, right? And Josie Lawrence (again, heavily underrated as a serious actress).
Yup, Miranda, Josie, who I agree, underrated as a serious actress, Alfred Molina, Jim (of course), Joan Plowright, and yummy Polly Walker! quote:
Heh, I love that we share tastes in British movies. By the way, I noticed Janet McTeer has made a movie in the US lately. Yum.
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sorry, brain glitch and just posted the same thing twice.[This message has been edited by EvilAnya (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged | tommo
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Registered: Sep 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 15:46
Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.The laugh out loud part of that scene was when they were all coming in, standing at the top of the stairway, smoking, heh heh. Then that joke about the hob-nobs at the end. French and Saunders like the hob-nobs joke. That was in their Bergman spoof as well. Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies. ------------------
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Registered: Oct 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 15:59
The popularity of A Beautiful Mind has been a mixed bag for me as someone with schizophrenia. In some ways people have been made more aware of what schizophrenia is and what it's like for the people living with it and the people who love someone with it. On the otherhand, i have heard more schizophrenia jokes in the last 3 months than i have since i was diagnosed 3 years ago. I don't know...it's hard. But thank you Judy, i Feel much better, it's people like you who really "get it" that I'm Really thankful for.To the people picking apart Halle's speech. \/\/. It's like, let's pretend that color doesn't matter in America and hide under a rock and maybe racism will go away. Sorry for being such a bitch but i've been hearing this sort of thing all day and it reeks of internalized racism. Halle's speech was "too black" in the way that Willow and Tara are "too gay". It's the old argument "why do they have to flaunt it?" and that argument is full of holes and fucked up. Again, i'm sorry to be such an evil bitch, but i can't help it, this sort of thing is so fucked up. Halle's speech came straight from the heart, i know i was crying, it was history damnit and it sucks that people are picking it apart.
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Registered: Sep 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 16:02
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Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.
Ah ha! Yes, that was her. And didn't she even play in one of the Prime Suspects? quote:
Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies.
Yeah, right, what Ruth said!
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Registered: Dec 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 16:32
First off,hugs to EvilAnya.
Secondly,to explain kakamabee's post about homophobia affecting LotR: of course you all know Sir Ian McKellan is gay because you have been making jokes about his date (although I don't think that they are actually 'together' because as far as I know Ian is very happy with a man who is about his own age). kakamabee was suggesting that the Academy's obvious homophobia, as referenced by others regarding 'A Beautiful Mind,' had probably influenced their decisions not to vote for Ian,and that really sucks,as many of us are huge LotR and Ian McKellan fans and wanted him to win as well as for LotR to do as well as possible. I do kind of wonder why fantasy/sci-fi stories never do well with awards;it is certainly not because they are lacking in popularity...
On a lighter note,I loved Cameron Diaz's dress as well! And I didn't see who Jodie Foster was with,but I thought she had a wife?
Could have been false hearsay,ah well.
Oh,back to the serious stuff for a moment; I was extremely glad Halle Berry won,and anyone else who knocks on her acceptance speech will have me to deal with! *Remembers she is 5'nothing and about 90 lbs* Okay, so I'm not exactly threatening;stop it anyway! ------------------
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Hm. I'd suggest that it was LotR's genre that hurt its and Ian's chances more than anything else.-len IP: Logged | quote:IP: LoggedrocketdykeSassy Eggs
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ok, but theres no conversation about the *real* important issue here: the dresses.i thought halle berry looked tremendously beautiful, but i do have to say, the top of the hottie list last night was clearly cameron diaz. her dress looked sooo good on her, and comfortable, tasteful, and colorful. and i really liked her hair. julia roberts looked surprisingly elegant and good in her dress as well, i have to say. not usually a big fan of her. and uma thurman... my mother thinks shes pregnant, because we had this conversation about how big her boobs looked in that dress. i feel like if her boobs were always that big, i would have noticed before. i dont think her dress was very flattering, and ethan hawke is way too short for her. so those are my observations about the oscars. i did watch much of it with the volume off, and i love movies to bits, but i dont put too much stock in these awards things. i just like to look at the dresses. oh, and one last thing. mr. gandalf (i dont remember his real name)... cradlerobber much?
hehe. michele IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 14:28 ok, but theres no conversation about the *real* important issue here: the dresses.i thought halle berry looked tremendously beautiful, but i do have to say, the top of the hottie list last night was clearly cameron diaz. her dress looked sooo good on her, and comfortable, tasteful, and colorful. and i really liked her hair. julia roberts looked surprisingly elegant and good in her dress as well, i have to say. not usually a big fan of her. and uma thurman... my mother thinks shes pregnant, because we had this conversation about how big her boobs looked in that dress. i feel like if her boobs were always that big, i would have noticed before. i dont think her dress was very flattering, and ethan hawke is way too short for her. so those are my observations about the oscars. i did watch much of it with the volume off, and i love movies to bits, but i dont put too much stock in these awards things. i just like to look at the dresses. oh, and one last thing. mr. gandalf (i dont remember his real name)... cradlerobber much?
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ok, but theres no conversation about the *real* important issue here: the dresses.i thought halle berry looked tremendously beautiful, but i do have to say, the top of the hottie list last night was clearly cameron diaz. her dress looked sooo good on her, and comfortable, tasteful, and colorful. and i really liked her hair. julia roberts looked surprisingly elegant and good in her dress as well, i have to say. not usually a big fan of her.
I thought Julia Roberts's and Helen Hunt's dresses were so tasteful and classes (not surprising. The only dress I truly had a problem with was Gwyneth Paltrow's.....apparently she decided that she really didn't need a bra all that much It would've helped a bit though. I was so surprised because normally she dresses rather well.
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oh, and one last thing. mr. gandalf (i dont remember his real name)... cradlerobber much?
hehe.michele
LMAO! That was Sir Ian McKellen and yes, Diana and I commented on the pretty young thing that was draped all over the man. At first, I thought I was seeing things.
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ok, but theres no conversation about the *real* important issue here: the dresses.i thought halle berry looked tremendously beautiful, but i do have to say, the top of the hottie list last night was clearly cameron diaz. her dress looked sooo good on her, and comfortable, tasteful, and colorful. and i really liked her hair. julia roberts looked surprisingly elegant and good in her dress as well, i have to say. not usually a big fan of her.
I thought Julia Roberts's and Helen Hunt's dresses were so tasteful and classes (not surprising. The only dress I truly had a problem with was Gwyneth Paltrow's.....apparently she decided that she really didn't need a bra all that much It would've helped a bit though. I was so surprised because normally she dresses rather well.
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oh, and one last thing. mr. gandalf (i dont remember his real name)... cradlerobber much?
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LMAO! That was Sir Ian McKellen and yes, Diana and I commented on the pretty young thing that was draped all over the man. At first, I thought I was seeing things.
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Just a brief comment on Halle Berry. I was moved to tears during her acceptance speech,and I don't think her genuine emotion should be compared to Gwynnie
's dramatics. I thought the way she mentionned other black actresses was very gracefull, and I don't think it could have gone to a more deserving actress.And can I just mention I got all giddy when I saw Judith hench hugging her when they announced the result? Two of my favorite acting ladies! IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 14:42 Just a brief comment on Halle Berry. I was moved to tears during her acceptance speech,and I don't think her genuine emotion should be compared to Gwynnie
's dramatics. I thought the way she mentionned other black actresses was very gracefull, and I don't think it could have gone to a more deserving actress.And can I just mention I got all giddy when I saw Judith hench hugging her when they announced the result? Two of my favorite acting ladies! IP: LoggedjudySassy Eggs
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*curtsies to Kieli* I think we have met but nice to meet you again.Michele, when I commented on Uma's breast size last night I was told by my friends that she just had a baby and is breastfeeding. Hence the lush prominence of her bosom. [This message has been edited by judy (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 14:45 *curtsies to Kieli* I think we have met but nice to meet you again.Michele, when I commented on Uma's breast size last night I was told by my friends that she just had a baby and is breastfeeding. Hence the lush prominence of her bosom. [This message has been edited by judy (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: LoggedSciFiAcidSassy Eggs
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I lost all respect for the Oscars when Gwyneth Paltrow won for Shakespeare in Love . It wasn't so much that she won for that picture, which I didn't think was all that, it was that they picked her over... Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth and Emily Watson in Hilary and Jackie. Of course, Meryl Streep was nominated that year, as well as Fernanda Montenegro for Central Station, which I heard was fabulous but never saw myself. So, I pretty much never watch and could care less these days. I just don't think the Oscar 'means' what it should and it just sucks.But, I'm always glad to see people who have been in the biz for a long time finally get some recognition. Jim Broadbent in Enchanted April, which is still one of my favorite movies or in Topsy-Turvy, Moulin Rouge… and on and on. Ack anyway, yeah who was Jodie’s date? tehe
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"Oh, man. I wish I WAS a lesbian. I would get laid every night for the rest of my life." ~ Amber Benson, Loveline 3/14/02 IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 14:51 I lost all respect for the Oscars when Gwyneth Paltrow won for Shakespeare in Love . It wasn't so much that she won for that picture, which I didn't think was all that, it was that they picked her over... Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth and Emily Watson in Hilary and Jackie. Of course, Meryl Streep was nominated that year, as well as Fernanda Montenegro for Central Station, which I heard was fabulous but never saw myself. So, I pretty much never watch and could care less these days. I just don't think the Oscar 'means' what it should and it just sucks.But, I'm always glad to see people who have been in the biz for a long time finally get some recognition. Jim Broadbent in Enchanted April, which is still one of my favorite movies or in Topsy-Turvy, Moulin Rouge… and on and on. Ack anyway, yeah who was Jodie’s date? tehe
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I still say Peter Jackson was robbed of Best Director. He deserved it so much for his brillaint vision and the obvious passion he had for the film. I reckon awards just don't like fantasy whether LOTR or Buffy... Grrr... Arg! ------------------
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Registered: Mar 2001 posted March 25, 2002 14:57
Heh, we were wondering that too....if that blonde was Jodie's date or just a friend. Jodie still seems to have the power to move mountains with just her voice. And what about Kevin Spacey's moving plea for a moment of silence? And Whoopi's "NYC, we got your back." line?T. BTW, Adrienne, LOVE your sig. It is ever so true
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"Sometimes, we just can't make it on our own. We all need someone to love us, to help remind us that there's good in the world, to keep us from going crazy." Willow from Dacia's The Dreamer Awakes [This message has been edited by Kieli (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 14:57 Heh, we were wondering that too....if that blonde was Jodie's date or just a friend. Jodie still seems to have the power to move mountains with just her voice. And what about Kevin Spacey's moving plea for a moment of silence? And Whoopi's "NYC, we got your back." line?T. BTW, Adrienne, LOVE your sig. It is ever so true
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Originally posted by tyche:
And Helen Mirren was robbed. Her final scene in that film is one of the most moving I’ve ever seen on screen.
And you know, she's constantly overlooked. She's one of the most versatile actors we have and damn, she's still sexy. I have the utmost respect for her, her appearance in French and Saunders notwithstanding. Heh.
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Nowadays, Judi Dench and Kate Winslet are the equivalent of Meryl Streep from the late 80s/early 90s – i.e. they get nominated simply for turning up. Judi Dench is wonderful, but I don’t have such a high opinion of Kate Winslet. Winslet is an excellent actress and I liked her earlier films, but nowadays she seems to be falling back on formulaic Academy-friendly costume dramas.
Well, the truth about Kate Winslet is that she made it big with Titanic. She's done better stuff though, namely Heavenly Creatures, which I thought was an amazing performance for one so young. I'm afraid that Hollywood has turned her head quite a bit, by all accounts. It's just an impression I get. And uh...let's not forget her stunning recording debut. Ahem. Yes yes, I'm bitchy... quote:
Judi Dench should have won for ‘Mrs Brown’, and the Academy probably felt so guilty that she didn’t that they’ve been nominating her for everything ever since.[b][quote]Agreed. That was a stellar performance. However, you know, I can't think of anything I've seen Judi Dench in that I [b]didn't like. She's just so good in everything. Similarly Maggie Smith. And that's the sign of true talent I guess. There's no pigeon hole for them because they fill all of them so well. And yes, they were gracious in defeat and it was nice to see them so deeply affected by what Halle Berry was saying. Props to them.
[quote]I’m sure they’ll get round to giving Emily Watson the Oscar she deserved for ‘Breaking the Waves’ one day, though. Probably when she’s a grande dame of British film.
God tyche, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I noticed her sitting there in the second row and I was like, Emily Watson! She's such a great actress!
I too noticed Ian McKellen's boyfriend. Honestly, I thought it was Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen at first *snigger*. And I know I've spelt that incorrectly somewhere. But you know what? I love Ian McKellen. He's out there, doing what he loves and he's never been ashamed of who he is or his sexuality. And I can't think of a woman in that position, although I really would like to. I remember a program on tv once that had quotes from lesbian actresses who, for their own career, had chosen not to come out. Shame, I say. Edited to add: YES DRI! Enchanted April is a marvelous film. Teeny tiny and yet astounding. I think I cried. Let me see, Miranda Richardson, right? And Josie Lawrence (again, heavily underrated as a serious actress). Heh, I love that we share tastes in British movies. By the way, I noticed Janet McTeer has made a movie in the US lately. Yum. ------------------
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Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance. (That year there were two much worthier performances than Gwynnie: Fernanda Montenegro and Cate Blanchett. I think that was the point I lost respect for the Oscars. That, and the year Marisa Tomei - who is a great actress, btw - won the Supporting Actress award basically for not being British or Australian. But hey, what's the fun of the Oscars if you can't bitch about 'em?)
Oh, and re: Will Smith, according to E! Online, he left the ceremony after being a presenter. Story here.
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hey Rocketdyke and Kieli, you guys crack me up. I agree that Julia looked great, but I think that she always does. And what was up with Uma's boobs? They looked HUGE! And I think Gwenny would have looked a lot better with a bra too. Her breasts just looked strange when she usually looks so great. And I noticed that young thing on Ian too! I was thinking the same thing about cradle robbing. But in a funny non-offensive way of course.I'm also with Tommo on the fact that I didn't expect Moulin Rouge or LOTR to win much even though I totally loved both those movies. The acadamy just never really favors fantasy type movies like these. And I wasn't surprised in the least when A Beautiful Mind won because it is the type of movie that would win with the acadamy. There was no doubt in my mind that it would win. And I KNOW that Will Smith was there because remember Whoopie's 'Smith' joke in the beginning? About all the Smith's sitting together? Will, Jada and Maggie. And I totally didn't hear about a family emergency. I wonder what happened. I just thought he was at the bathroom or something. And I DIDN'T notice a cute blonde that appeared to be Jodie's date. When did they show that? On another note I'm really anxious to see the Panic Room that opens on Friday. I haven't seen a good Jodie Foster movie in a while. ------------------
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Warning: Long ramble ahead... My apologies in advance...When Halle Berry made her acceptance speech, I didn't interpret it as her saying, "I only won this because I'm black." She did thank everyone involved in the project (the director, producers, studio, etc.) for believing in her. She also thanked the Academy for their support. BUT, like she said in the beginning of her speech, the moment was "so much bigger than me." Why? Because as much as we'd like to believe the awards always go to the most deserving actors or films, they don't (Because of politics, overdue kudos, or the deep pockets of the studio cough cough Miramax cough cough. Who knows?). During the past 74 years, many black actors and actresses have been denied the award (and nomination!) just because of their skin color. This isn't limited to people of color, either. How many women have won an Academy Award for directing? Hell, how many have even been nominated? (The Director category is still very much a boy's club.) I hate to sound cynical, but people who believe that this still doesn't happen today are truly looking at the world through rose colored glasses. It's upsetting to think that people are belittling Berry's achievement because of her speech. I don't believe Berry was saying that she won because she was black. She was expressing her gratitude at the fact that the Academy has come a long way in 74 years to be able to overlook skin color and award an actor for their performance. (And although I loved Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge, Berry deserved her win because she tackled such a dark and disturbing role and did it exceptionally well!) Have we gotten to the point where everyone is viewed equally? Hell no, but last night was a step in the right direction. What's so wrong with that? Did Berry deserve the Academy Award because of her performance? Yes. (How many people have the "balls" to play a woman who falls in love with a racist? In her speech, she thanked the film's director for helping her go through dark places.) But like she said, it's bigger than that. There were many women who came before her that didn't recieve an Oscar because they were black. And it's a big deal to be the first one. For example, it's kind of like Hilary Swank's speech a few years ago when she won Best Actress for playing Brandon Teena in "Boys Don't Cry." Fifty years ago (heck, even ten years ago), who would have ever thought an actor portraying a gay character would win an Academy Award? Granted Hilary Swank is straight, but the fact that she WON showed that the Academy can actually make the right choices now and again (It was rumored that Annette Bening was going to win that year just because "it was her time" or whatever...) That was a landmark win, but I didn't see anyone saying, Oh Hilary Swank shouldn't have mentioned the "gay issues" in her acceptance speech. Anyway, sorry for the long ramble. This isn't an attack on other posters (everyone is entitled to their opinions), but reading some of the posts here today have been rather upsetting and I just had to say something... [This message has been edited by JBC (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged | SciFiAcid
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And you know, she's constantly overlooked. She's one of the most versatile actors we have and damn, she's still sexy. I have the utmost respect for her, her appearance in French and Saunders notwithstanding. Heh.
Ah, come on now Ruth. That bit where they had Helen, Janet, ack, the other woman who’s like in EVERYTHING British that I see, with F/S, all bidding for parts in the new Lynda La Plante script was fabulous! quote:
Edited to add: YES DRI! Enchanted April is a marvelous film. Teeny tiny and yet astounding. I think I cried. Let me see, Miranda Richardson, right? And Josie Lawrence (again, heavily underrated as a serious actress).
Yup, Miranda, Josie, who I agree, underrated as a serious actress, Alfred Molina, Jim (of course), Joan Plowright, and yummy Polly Walker! quote:
Heh, I love that we share tastes in British movies. By the way, I noticed Janet McTeer has made a movie in the US lately. Yum.
She got a lot of recognition, finally, for Tumbelweeds. I hope that lasts. I love being able to see her here in the States! quote:
Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance.
Thanks Mary-Jane. I will! I’ll add it to my Netflix queue which is about 30 DVDs long at the moment… hehe Hehe… I’m quote happy today. And yes, Toni, no truer statement was ever made my Amber. I’m sure she was thinking of the Kitten board when she said it!
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sorry, brain glitch and just posted the same thing twice.[This message has been edited by EvilAnya (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged | tommo
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Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.The laugh out loud part of that scene was when they were all coming in, standing at the top of the stairway, smoking, heh heh. Then that joke about the hob-nobs at the end. French and Saunders like the hob-nobs joke. That was in their Bergman spoof as well. Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies. ------------------
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Registered: Oct 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 15:59
The popularity of A Beautiful Mind has been a mixed bag for me as someone with schizophrenia. In some ways people have been made more aware of what schizophrenia is and what it's like for the people living with it and the people who love someone with it. On the otherhand, i have heard more schizophrenia jokes in the last 3 months than i have since i was diagnosed 3 years ago. I don't know...it's hard. But thank you Judy, i Feel much better, it's people like you who really "get it" that I'm Really thankful for.To the people picking apart Halle's speech. \/\/. It's like, let's pretend that color doesn't matter in America and hide under a rock and maybe racism will go away. Sorry for being such a bitch but i've been hearing this sort of thing all day and it reeks of internalized racism. Halle's speech was "too black" in the way that Willow and Tara are "too gay". It's the old argument "why do they have to flaunt it?" and that argument is full of holes and fucked up. Again, i'm sorry to be such an evil bitch, but i can't help it, this sort of thing is so fucked up. Halle's speech came straight from the heart, i know i was crying, it was history damnit and it sucks that people are picking it apart.
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Registered: Sep 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 16:02
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Originally posted by tommo:
Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.
Ah ha! Yes, that was her. And didn't she even play in one of the Prime Suspects? quote:
Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies.
Yeah, right, what Ruth said!
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Registered: Dec 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 16:32
First off,hugs to EvilAnya.
Secondly,to explain kakamabee's post about homophobia affecting LotR: of course you all know Sir Ian McKellan is gay because you have been making jokes about his date (although I don't think that they are actually 'together' because as far as I know Ian is very happy with a man who is about his own age). kakamabee was suggesting that the Academy's obvious homophobia, as referenced by others regarding 'A Beautiful Mind,' had probably influenced their decisions not to vote for Ian,and that really sucks,as many of us are huge LotR and Ian McKellan fans and wanted him to win as well as for LotR to do as well as possible. I do kind of wonder why fantasy/sci-fi stories never do well with awards;it is certainly not because they are lacking in popularity...
On a lighter note,I loved Cameron Diaz's dress as well! And I didn't see who Jodie Foster was with,but I thought she had a wife?
Could have been false hearsay,ah well.
Oh,back to the serious stuff for a moment; I was extremely glad Halle Berry won,and anyone else who knocks on her acceptance speech will have me to deal with! *Remembers she is 5'nothing and about 90 lbs* Okay, so I'm not exactly threatening;stop it anyway! ------------------
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Hm. I'd suggest that it was LotR's genre that hurt its and Ian's chances more than anything else.-len IP: Logged | posted March 25, 2002 15:05 quote:
Originally posted by tyche:
And Helen Mirren was robbed. Her final scene in that film is one of the most moving I’ve ever seen on screen.
And you know, she's constantly overlooked. She's one of the most versatile actors we have and damn, she's still sexy. I have the utmost respect for her, her appearance in French and Saunders notwithstanding. Heh.
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Nowadays, Judi Dench and Kate Winslet are the equivalent of Meryl Streep from the late 80s/early 90s – i.e. they get nominated simply for turning up. Judi Dench is wonderful, but I don’t have such a high opinion of Kate Winslet. Winslet is an excellent actress and I liked her earlier films, but nowadays she seems to be falling back on formulaic Academy-friendly costume dramas.
Well, the truth about Kate Winslet is that she made it big with Titanic. She's done better stuff though, namely Heavenly Creatures, which I thought was an amazing performance for one so young. I'm afraid that Hollywood has turned her head quite a bit, by all accounts. It's just an impression I get. And uh...let's not forget her stunning recording debut. Ahem. Yes yes, I'm bitchy... quote:
Judi Dench should have won for ‘Mrs Brown’, and the Academy probably felt so guilty that she didn’t that they’ve been nominating her for everything ever since.[b][quote]Agreed. That was a stellar performance. However, you know, I can't think of anything I've seen Judi Dench in that I [b]didn't like. She's just so good in everything. Similarly Maggie Smith. And that's the sign of true talent I guess. There's no pigeon hole for them because they fill all of them so well. And yes, they were gracious in defeat and it was nice to see them so deeply affected by what Halle Berry was saying. Props to them.
[quote]I’m sure they’ll get round to giving Emily Watson the Oscar she deserved for ‘Breaking the Waves’ one day, though. Probably when she’s a grande dame of British film.
God tyche, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I noticed her sitting there in the second row and I was like, Emily Watson! She's such a great actress!
I too noticed Ian McKellen's boyfriend. Honestly, I thought it was Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen at first *snigger*. And I know I've spelt that incorrectly somewhere. But you know what? I love Ian McKellen. He's out there, doing what he loves and he's never been ashamed of who he is or his sexuality. And I can't think of a woman in that position, although I really would like to. I remember a program on tv once that had quotes from lesbian actresses who, for their own career, had chosen not to come out. Shame, I say. Edited to add: YES DRI! Enchanted April is a marvelous film. Teeny tiny and yet astounding. I think I cried. Let me see, Miranda Richardson, right? And Josie Lawrence (again, heavily underrated as a serious actress). Heh, I love that we share tastes in British movies. By the way, I noticed Janet McTeer has made a movie in the US lately. Yum. ------------------
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Registered: Sep 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 15:14
Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance. (That year there were two much worthier performances than Gwynnie: Fernanda Montenegro and Cate Blanchett. I think that was the point I lost respect for the Oscars. That, and the year Marisa Tomei - who is a great actress, btw - won the Supporting Actress award basically for not being British or Australian. But hey, what's the fun of the Oscars if you can't bitch about 'em?)
Oh, and re: Will Smith, according to E! Online, he left the ceremony after being a presenter. Story here.
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Registered: May 2001 | posted March 25, 2002 15:17
hey Rocketdyke and Kieli, you guys crack me up. I agree that Julia looked great, but I think that she always does. And what was up with Uma's boobs? They looked HUGE! And I think Gwenny would have looked a lot better with a bra too. Her breasts just looked strange when she usually looks so great. And I noticed that young thing on Ian too! I was thinking the same thing about cradle robbing. But in a funny non-offensive way of course.I'm also with Tommo on the fact that I didn't expect Moulin Rouge or LOTR to win much even though I totally loved both those movies. The acadamy just never really favors fantasy type movies like these. And I wasn't surprised in the least when A Beautiful Mind won because it is the type of movie that would win with the acadamy. There was no doubt in my mind that it would win. And I KNOW that Will Smith was there because remember Whoopie's 'Smith' joke in the beginning? About all the Smith's sitting together? Will, Jada and Maggie. And I totally didn't hear about a family emergency. I wonder what happened. I just thought he was at the bathroom or something. And I DIDN'T notice a cute blonde that appeared to be Jodie's date. When did they show that? On another note I'm really anxious to see the Panic Room that opens on Friday. I haven't seen a good Jodie Foster movie in a while. ------------------
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Registered: Feb 2002 | posted March 25, 2002 15:30
Warning: Long ramble ahead... My apologies in advance...When Halle Berry made her acceptance speech, I didn't interpret it as her saying, "I only won this because I'm black." She did thank everyone involved in the project (the director, producers, studio, etc.) for believing in her. She also thanked the Academy for their support. BUT, like she said in the beginning of her speech, the moment was "so much bigger than me." Why? Because as much as we'd like to believe the awards always go to the most deserving actors or films, they don't (Because of politics, overdue kudos, or the deep pockets of the studio cough cough Miramax cough cough. Who knows?). During the past 74 years, many black actors and actresses have been denied the award (and nomination!) just because of their skin color. This isn't limited to people of color, either. How many women have won an Academy Award for directing? Hell, how many have even been nominated? (The Director category is still very much a boy's club.) I hate to sound cynical, but people who believe that this still doesn't happen today are truly looking at the world through rose colored glasses. It's upsetting to think that people are belittling Berry's achievement because of her speech. I don't believe Berry was saying that she won because she was black. She was expressing her gratitude at the fact that the Academy has come a long way in 74 years to be able to overlook skin color and award an actor for their performance. (And although I loved Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge, Berry deserved her win because she tackled such a dark and disturbing role and did it exceptionally well!) Have we gotten to the point where everyone is viewed equally? Hell no, but last night was a step in the right direction. What's so wrong with that? Did Berry deserve the Academy Award because of her performance? Yes. (How many people have the "balls" to play a woman who falls in love with a racist? In her speech, she thanked the film's director for helping her go through dark places.) But like she said, it's bigger than that. There were many women who came before her that didn't recieve an Oscar because they were black. And it's a big deal to be the first one. For example, it's kind of like Hilary Swank's speech a few years ago when she won Best Actress for playing Brandon Teena in "Boys Don't Cry." Fifty years ago (heck, even ten years ago), who would have ever thought an actor portraying a gay character would win an Academy Award? Granted Hilary Swank is straight, but the fact that she WON showed that the Academy can actually make the right choices now and again (It was rumored that Annette Bening was going to win that year just because "it was her time" or whatever...) That was a landmark win, but I didn't see anyone saying, Oh Hilary Swank shouldn't have mentioned the "gay issues" in her acceptance speech. Anyway, sorry for the long ramble. This isn't an attack on other posters (everyone is entitled to their opinions), but reading some of the posts here today have been rather upsetting and I just had to say something... [This message has been edited by JBC (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged | SciFiAcid
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Registered: Sep 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 15:33
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And you know, she's constantly overlooked. She's one of the most versatile actors we have and damn, she's still sexy. I have the utmost respect for her, her appearance in French and Saunders notwithstanding. Heh.
Ah, come on now Ruth. That bit where they had Helen, Janet, ack, the other woman who’s like in EVERYTHING British that I see, with F/S, all bidding for parts in the new Lynda La Plante script was fabulous! quote:
Edited to add: YES DRI! Enchanted April is a marvelous film. Teeny tiny and yet astounding. I think I cried. Let me see, Miranda Richardson, right? And Josie Lawrence (again, heavily underrated as a serious actress).
Yup, Miranda, Josie, who I agree, underrated as a serious actress, Alfred Molina, Jim (of course), Joan Plowright, and yummy Polly Walker! quote:
Heh, I love that we share tastes in British movies. By the way, I noticed Janet McTeer has made a movie in the US lately. Yum.
She got a lot of recognition, finally, for Tumbelweeds. I hope that lasts. I love being able to see her here in the States! quote:
Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance.
Thanks Mary-Jane. I will! I’ll add it to my Netflix queue which is about 30 DVDs long at the moment… hehe Hehe… I’m quote happy today. And yes, Toni, no truer statement was ever made my Amber. I’m sure she was thinking of the Kitten board when she said it!
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Registered: Oct 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 15:44
sorry, brain glitch and just posted the same thing twice.[This message has been edited by EvilAnya (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged | tommo
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Registered: Sep 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 15:46
Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.The laugh out loud part of that scene was when they were all coming in, standing at the top of the stairway, smoking, heh heh. Then that joke about the hob-nobs at the end. French and Saunders like the hob-nobs joke. That was in their Bergman spoof as well. Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies. ------------------
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Registered: Oct 2000 | posted March 25, 2002 15:59
The popularity of A Beautiful Mind has been a mixed bag for me as someone with schizophrenia. In some ways people have been made more aware of what schizophrenia is and what it's like for the people living with it and the people who love someone with it. On the otherhand, i have heard more schizophrenia jokes in the last 3 months than i have since i was diagnosed 3 years ago. I don't know...it's hard. But thank you Judy, i Feel much better, it's people like you who really "get it" that I'm Really thankful for.To the people picking apart Halle's speech. \/\/. It's like, let's pretend that color doesn't matter in America and hide under a rock and maybe racism will go away. Sorry for being such a bitch but i've been hearing this sort of thing all day and it reeks of internalized racism. Halle's speech was "too black" in the way that Willow and Tara are "too gay". It's the old argument "why do they have to flaunt it?" and that argument is full of holes and fucked up. Again, i'm sorry to be such an evil bitch, but i can't help it, this sort of thing is so fucked up. Halle's speech came straight from the heart, i know i was crying, it was history damnit and it sucks that people are picking it apart.
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Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.
Ah ha! Yes, that was her. And didn't she even play in one of the Prime Suspects? quote:
Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies.
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First off,hugs to EvilAnya.
Secondly,to explain kakamabee's post about homophobia affecting LotR: of course you all know Sir Ian McKellan is gay because you have been making jokes about his date (although I don't think that they are actually 'together' because as far as I know Ian is very happy with a man who is about his own age). kakamabee was suggesting that the Academy's obvious homophobia, as referenced by others regarding 'A Beautiful Mind,' had probably influenced their decisions not to vote for Ian,and that really sucks,as many of us are huge LotR and Ian McKellan fans and wanted him to win as well as for LotR to do as well as possible. I do kind of wonder why fantasy/sci-fi stories never do well with awards;it is certainly not because they are lacking in popularity...
On a lighter note,I loved Cameron Diaz's dress as well! And I didn't see who Jodie Foster was with,but I thought she had a wife?
Could have been false hearsay,ah well.
Oh,back to the serious stuff for a moment; I was extremely glad Halle Berry won,and anyone else who knocks on her acceptance speech will have me to deal with! *Remembers she is 5'nothing and about 90 lbs* Okay, so I'm not exactly threatening;stop it anyway! ------------------
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Hm. I'd suggest that it was LotR's genre that hurt its and Ian's chances more than anything else.-len IP: Logged | quote:quote:quote:IP: LoggedtycheGay Now!
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted March 25, 2002 15:14
Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance. (That year there were two much worthier performances than Gwynnie: Fernanda Montenegro and Cate Blanchett. I think that was the point I lost respect for the Oscars. That, and the year Marisa Tomei - who is a great actress, btw - won the Supporting Actress award basically for not being British or Australian. But hey, what's the fun of the Oscars if you can't bitch about 'em?)
Oh, and re: Will Smith, according to E! Online, he left the ceremony after being a presenter. Story here.
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Anya: (noddin') Like the bleedin' tile. - 'The Yoko Factor' in Cockney IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 15:14 Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance. (That year there were two much worthier performances than Gwynnie: Fernanda Montenegro and Cate Blanchett. I think that was the point I lost respect for the Oscars. That, and the year Marisa Tomei - who is a great actress, btw - won the Supporting Actress award basically for not being British or Australian. But hey, what's the fun of the Oscars if you can't bitch about 'em?)
Oh, and re: Will Smith, according to E! Online, he left the ceremony after being a presenter. Story here.
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Registered: May 2001 posted March 25, 2002 15:17
hey Rocketdyke and Kieli, you guys crack me up. I agree that Julia looked great, but I think that she always does. And what was up with Uma's boobs? They looked HUGE! And I think Gwenny would have looked a lot better with a bra too. Her breasts just looked strange when she usually looks so great. And I noticed that young thing on Ian too! I was thinking the same thing about cradle robbing. But in a funny non-offensive way of course.I'm also with Tommo on the fact that I didn't expect Moulin Rouge or LOTR to win much even though I totally loved both those movies. The acadamy just never really favors fantasy type movies like these. And I wasn't surprised in the least when A Beautiful Mind won because it is the type of movie that would win with the acadamy. There was no doubt in my mind that it would win. And I KNOW that Will Smith was there because remember Whoopie's 'Smith' joke in the beginning? About all the Smith's sitting together? Will, Jada and Maggie. And I totally didn't hear about a family emergency. I wonder what happened. I just thought he was at the bathroom or something. And I DIDN'T notice a cute blonde that appeared to be Jodie's date. When did they show that? On another note I'm really anxious to see the Panic Room that opens on Friday. I haven't seen a good Jodie Foster movie in a while. ------------------
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Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever" IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 15:17 hey Rocketdyke and Kieli, you guys crack me up. I agree that Julia looked great, but I think that she always does. And what was up with Uma's boobs? They looked HUGE! And I think Gwenny would have looked a lot better with a bra too. Her breasts just looked strange when she usually looks so great. And I noticed that young thing on Ian too! I was thinking the same thing about cradle robbing. But in a funny non-offensive way of course.I'm also with Tommo on the fact that I didn't expect Moulin Rouge or LOTR to win much even though I totally loved both those movies. The acadamy just never really favors fantasy type movies like these. And I wasn't surprised in the least when A Beautiful Mind won because it is the type of movie that would win with the acadamy. There was no doubt in my mind that it would win. And I KNOW that Will Smith was there because remember Whoopie's 'Smith' joke in the beginning? About all the Smith's sitting together? Will, Jada and Maggie. And I totally didn't hear about a family emergency. I wonder what happened. I just thought he was at the bathroom or something. And I DIDN'T notice a cute blonde that appeared to be Jodie's date. When did they show that? On another note I'm really anxious to see the Panic Room that opens on Friday. I haven't seen a good Jodie Foster movie in a while. ------------------
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Registered: Feb 2002 posted March 25, 2002 15:30
Warning: Long ramble ahead... My apologies in advance...When Halle Berry made her acceptance speech, I didn't interpret it as her saying, "I only won this because I'm black." She did thank everyone involved in the project (the director, producers, studio, etc.) for believing in her. She also thanked the Academy for their support. BUT, like she said in the beginning of her speech, the moment was "so much bigger than me." Why? Because as much as we'd like to believe the awards always go to the most deserving actors or films, they don't (Because of politics, overdue kudos, or the deep pockets of the studio cough cough Miramax cough cough. Who knows?). During the past 74 years, many black actors and actresses have been denied the award (and nomination!) just because of their skin color. This isn't limited to people of color, either. How many women have won an Academy Award for directing? Hell, how many have even been nominated? (The Director category is still very much a boy's club.) I hate to sound cynical, but people who believe that this still doesn't happen today are truly looking at the world through rose colored glasses. It's upsetting to think that people are belittling Berry's achievement because of her speech. I don't believe Berry was saying that she won because she was black. She was expressing her gratitude at the fact that the Academy has come a long way in 74 years to be able to overlook skin color and award an actor for their performance. (And although I loved Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge, Berry deserved her win because she tackled such a dark and disturbing role and did it exceptionally well!) Have we gotten to the point where everyone is viewed equally? Hell no, but last night was a step in the right direction. What's so wrong with that? Did Berry deserve the Academy Award because of her performance? Yes. (How many people have the "balls" to play a woman who falls in love with a racist? In her speech, she thanked the film's director for helping her go through dark places.) But like she said, it's bigger than that. There were many women who came before her that didn't recieve an Oscar because they were black. And it's a big deal to be the first one. For example, it's kind of like Hilary Swank's speech a few years ago when she won Best Actress for playing Brandon Teena in "Boys Don't Cry." Fifty years ago (heck, even ten years ago), who would have ever thought an actor portraying a gay character would win an Academy Award? Granted Hilary Swank is straight, but the fact that she WON showed that the Academy can actually make the right choices now and again (It was rumored that Annette Bening was going to win that year just because "it was her time" or whatever...) That was a landmark win, but I didn't see anyone saying, Oh Hilary Swank shouldn't have mentioned the "gay issues" in her acceptance speech. Anyway, sorry for the long ramble. This isn't an attack on other posters (everyone is entitled to their opinions), but reading some of the posts here today have been rather upsetting and I just had to say something... [This message has been edited by JBC (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 15:30 Warning: Long ramble ahead... My apologies in advance...When Halle Berry made her acceptance speech, I didn't interpret it as her saying, "I only won this because I'm black." She did thank everyone involved in the project (the director, producers, studio, etc.) for believing in her. She also thanked the Academy for their support. BUT, like she said in the beginning of her speech, the moment was "so much bigger than me." Why? Because as much as we'd like to believe the awards always go to the most deserving actors or films, they don't (Because of politics, overdue kudos, or the deep pockets of the studio cough cough Miramax cough cough. Who knows?). During the past 74 years, many black actors and actresses have been denied the award (and nomination!) just because of their skin color. This isn't limited to people of color, either. How many women have won an Academy Award for directing? Hell, how many have even been nominated? (The Director category is still very much a boy's club.) I hate to sound cynical, but people who believe that this still doesn't happen today are truly looking at the world through rose colored glasses. It's upsetting to think that people are belittling Berry's achievement because of her speech. I don't believe Berry was saying that she won because she was black. She was expressing her gratitude at the fact that the Academy has come a long way in 74 years to be able to overlook skin color and award an actor for their performance. (And although I loved Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge, Berry deserved her win because she tackled such a dark and disturbing role and did it exceptionally well!) Have we gotten to the point where everyone is viewed equally? Hell no, but last night was a step in the right direction. What's so wrong with that? Did Berry deserve the Academy Award because of her performance? Yes. (How many people have the "balls" to play a woman who falls in love with a racist? In her speech, she thanked the film's director for helping her go through dark places.) But like she said, it's bigger than that. There were many women who came before her that didn't recieve an Oscar because they were black. And it's a big deal to be the first one. For example, it's kind of like Hilary Swank's speech a few years ago when she won Best Actress for playing Brandon Teena in "Boys Don't Cry." Fifty years ago (heck, even ten years ago), who would have ever thought an actor portraying a gay character would win an Academy Award? Granted Hilary Swank is straight, but the fact that she WON showed that the Academy can actually make the right choices now and again (It was rumored that Annette Bening was going to win that year just because "it was her time" or whatever...) That was a landmark win, but I didn't see anyone saying, Oh Hilary Swank shouldn't have mentioned the "gay issues" in her acceptance speech. Anyway, sorry for the long ramble. This isn't an attack on other posters (everyone is entitled to their opinions), but reading some of the posts here today have been rather upsetting and I just had to say something... [This message has been edited by JBC (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: LoggedSciFiAcidSassy Eggs
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And you know, she's constantly overlooked. She's one of the most versatile actors we have and damn, she's still sexy. I have the utmost respect for her, her appearance in French and Saunders notwithstanding. Heh.
Ah, come on now Ruth. That bit where they had Helen, Janet, ack, the other woman who’s like in EVERYTHING British that I see, with F/S, all bidding for parts in the new Lynda La Plante script was fabulous! quote:
Edited to add: YES DRI! Enchanted April is a marvelous film. Teeny tiny and yet astounding. I think I cried. Let me see, Miranda Richardson, right? And Josie Lawrence (again, heavily underrated as a serious actress).
Yup, Miranda, Josie, who I agree, underrated as a serious actress, Alfred Molina, Jim (of course), Joan Plowright, and yummy Polly Walker! quote:
Heh, I love that we share tastes in British movies. By the way, I noticed Janet McTeer has made a movie in the US lately. Yum.
She got a lot of recognition, finally, for Tumbelweeds. I hope that lasts. I love being able to see her here in the States! quote:
Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance.
Thanks Mary-Jane. I will! I’ll add it to my Netflix queue which is about 30 DVDs long at the moment… hehe Hehe… I’m quote happy today. And yes, Toni, no truer statement was ever made my Amber. I’m sure she was thinking of the Kitten board when she said it!
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And you know, she's constantly overlooked. She's one of the most versatile actors we have and damn, she's still sexy. I have the utmost respect for her, her appearance in French and Saunders notwithstanding. Heh.
Ah, come on now Ruth. That bit where they had Helen, Janet, ack, the other woman who’s like in EVERYTHING British that I see, with F/S, all bidding for parts in the new Lynda La Plante script was fabulous! quote:
Edited to add: YES DRI! Enchanted April is a marvelous film. Teeny tiny and yet astounding. I think I cried. Let me see, Miranda Richardson, right? And Josie Lawrence (again, heavily underrated as a serious actress).
Yup, Miranda, Josie, who I agree, underrated as a serious actress, Alfred Molina, Jim (of course), Joan Plowright, and yummy Polly Walker! quote:
Heh, I love that we share tastes in British movies. By the way, I noticed Janet McTeer has made a movie in the US lately. Yum.
She got a lot of recognition, finally, for Tumbelweeds. I hope that lasts. I love being able to see her here in the States! quote:
Couple of things: 'Central Station' is fabulous, as is Fernanda Montenegro, who definitely deserved an Oscar for her performance. See it if you get a chance.
Thanks Mary-Jane. I will! I’ll add it to my Netflix queue which is about 30 DVDs long at the moment… hehe Hehe… I’m quote happy today. And yes, Toni, no truer statement was ever made my Amber. I’m sure she was thinking of the Kitten board when she said it!
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sorry, brain glitch and just posted the same thing twice.[This message has been edited by EvilAnya (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 15:44 sorry, brain glitch and just posted the same thing twice.[This message has been edited by EvilAnya (edited March 25, 2002).] IP: LoggedtommoLesbian Gay Type Lover
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted March 25, 2002 15:46
Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.The laugh out loud part of that scene was when they were all coming in, standing at the top of the stairway, smoking, heh heh. Then that joke about the hob-nobs at the end. French and Saunders like the hob-nobs joke. That was in their Bergman spoof as well. Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies. ------------------
You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe... IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 15:46 Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.The laugh out loud part of that scene was when they were all coming in, standing at the top of the stairway, smoking, heh heh. Then that joke about the hob-nobs at the end. French and Saunders like the hob-nobs joke. That was in their Bergman spoof as well. Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies. ------------------
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Registered: Oct 2000 posted March 25, 2002 15:59
The popularity of A Beautiful Mind has been a mixed bag for me as someone with schizophrenia. In some ways people have been made more aware of what schizophrenia is and what it's like for the people living with it and the people who love someone with it. On the otherhand, i have heard more schizophrenia jokes in the last 3 months than i have since i was diagnosed 3 years ago. I don't know...it's hard. But thank you Judy, i Feel much better, it's people like you who really "get it" that I'm Really thankful for.To the people picking apart Halle's speech. \/\/. It's like, let's pretend that color doesn't matter in America and hide under a rock and maybe racism will go away. Sorry for being such a bitch but i've been hearing this sort of thing all day and it reeks of internalized racism. Halle's speech was "too black" in the way that Willow and Tara are "too gay". It's the old argument "why do they have to flaunt it?" and that argument is full of holes and fucked up. Again, i'm sorry to be such an evil bitch, but i can't help it, this sort of thing is so fucked up. Halle's speech came straight from the heart, i know i was crying, it was history damnit and it sucks that people are picking it apart.
IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 15:59 The popularity of A Beautiful Mind has been a mixed bag for me as someone with schizophrenia. In some ways people have been made more aware of what schizophrenia is and what it's like for the people living with it and the people who love someone with it. On the otherhand, i have heard more schizophrenia jokes in the last 3 months than i have since i was diagnosed 3 years ago. I don't know...it's hard. But thank you Judy, i Feel much better, it's people like you who really "get it" that I'm Really thankful for.To the people picking apart Halle's speech. \/\/. It's like, let's pretend that color doesn't matter in America and hide under a rock and maybe racism will go away. Sorry for being such a bitch but i've been hearing this sort of thing all day and it reeks of internalized racism. Halle's speech was "too black" in the way that Willow and Tara are "too gay". It's the old argument "why do they have to flaunt it?" and that argument is full of holes and fucked up. Again, i'm sorry to be such an evil bitch, but i can't help it, this sort of thing is so fucked up. Halle's speech came straight from the heart, i know i was crying, it was history damnit and it sucks that people are picking it apart.
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted March 25, 2002 16:02
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Originally posted by tommo:
Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.
Ah ha! Yes, that was her. And didn't she even play in one of the Prime Suspects? quote:
Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies.
Yeah, right, what Ruth said!
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Originally posted by tommo:
Dri, it was Jane Williams, I believe. She played Dolly Rawlins in Widows and She's Out. Hard-faced, edgy. Bloody funny.
Ah ha! Yes, that was her. And didn't she even play in one of the Prime Suspects? quote:
Anyhoo...totally unrelated to the Oscars. Apologies.
Yeah, right, what Ruth said!
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Registered: Dec 2001 posted March 25, 2002 16:32
First off,hugs to EvilAnya.
Secondly,to explain kakamabee's post about homophobia affecting LotR: of course you all know Sir Ian McKellan is gay because you have been making jokes about his date (although I don't think that they are actually 'together' because as far as I know Ian is very happy with a man who is about his own age). kakamabee was suggesting that the Academy's obvious homophobia, as referenced by others regarding 'A Beautiful Mind,' had probably influenced their decisions not to vote for Ian,and that really sucks,as many of us are huge LotR and Ian McKellan fans and wanted him to win as well as for LotR to do as well as possible. I do kind of wonder why fantasy/sci-fi stories never do well with awards;it is certainly not because they are lacking in popularity...
On a lighter note,I loved Cameron Diaz's dress as well! And I didn't see who Jodie Foster was with,but I thought she had a wife?
Could have been false hearsay,ah well.
Oh,back to the serious stuff for a moment; I was extremely glad Halle Berry won,and anyone else who knocks on her acceptance speech will have me to deal with! *Remembers she is 5'nothing and about 90 lbs* Okay, so I'm not exactly threatening;stop it anyway! ------------------
"Isn't it funny how slaying always makes you hungry and horny?" "I wear the cheese. The cheese does not wear me." IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 16:32 First off,hugs to EvilAnya.
Secondly,to explain kakamabee's post about homophobia affecting LotR: of course you all know Sir Ian McKellan is gay because you have been making jokes about his date (although I don't think that they are actually 'together' because as far as I know Ian is very happy with a man who is about his own age). kakamabee was suggesting that the Academy's obvious homophobia, as referenced by others regarding 'A Beautiful Mind,' had probably influenced their decisions not to vote for Ian,and that really sucks,as many of us are huge LotR and Ian McKellan fans and wanted him to win as well as for LotR to do as well as possible. I do kind of wonder why fantasy/sci-fi stories never do well with awards;it is certainly not because they are lacking in popularity...
On a lighter note,I loved Cameron Diaz's dress as well! And I didn't see who Jodie Foster was with,but I thought she had a wife?
Could have been false hearsay,ah well.
Oh,back to the serious stuff for a moment; I was extremely glad Halle Berry won,and anyone else who knocks on her acceptance speech will have me to deal with! *Remembers she is 5'nothing and about 90 lbs* Okay, so I'm not exactly threatening;stop it anyway! ------------------
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Fantastico posted March 25, 2002 16:42
Hm. I'd suggest that it was LotR's genre that hurt its and Ian's chances more than anything else.-len IP: Logged posted March 25, 2002 16:42 Hm. I'd suggest that it was LotR's genre that hurt its and Ian's chances more than anything else.-len
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