by supermus » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:23 pm
by BBOvenGuy » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:23 pm
But at least I posted something! And I didn't even mention smoking crack once.
by miller's angel » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:24 pm
by The Partyman » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:27 pm
quote:
Originally posted by sam7777:
...I wonder if it's coicidence that soon after the spoilerscame out, Steven is on the Bronzebeta reassuring the fans.
I'm a regular poster at the Bronze Beta. Steve usually posts on Fridays, but has been ill recently. He posted I think on Friday(before the spoiler *broke*) to say he had been ill and would post at some point over the weekend. So I don't think it was deliberate.
I am not suprised if he is reading some of this board now though, as someone posted a link!
*Waves and Hugs* to Miller's Angel
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quote:by Willowlicious » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:28 pm
quote:
Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
But at least I posted something! And I didn't even mention smoking crack once.
That's okay, Bob. I was the one who asked if all the writers had gone and done a bunch of drugs. It was my very first Bronze post and he answered! At least I feel heard in a small way.
quote:by Rally » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:28 pm
Y_Slayerbelle: Dead Things was edited by the amazing Lisa Lassek. She also edited Once More, With Feeling and is
currently hard at work editing the pilot for Firefly. And did I mention she’s gorgeous?
Tralfamadore2001: Big Doug Petrie is nobody’s figment, baby.
TAMZ: Good to be seen and right back at you.
Sarah’s Carl: The first Buffy I watched was the pilot. I hated the movie and thought it was a really bad idea for a series.
By the end of episode three was telling everyone who would listen it was the best thing on TV.
Phil PhuD: Haven’t seen it. But if you liked it, I’ll give it a shot.
Smiley Face: That’s a tough one. One of my favorite Buffy lines that I’ve written so far would have to be in ep. 19,
“Charge the Cerebral Dampener.” ‘Cause heck, when do you get to write stuff like that?
JV3: Your existence is formally recognized. That’ll be $12.50
Tvsurfer: As I’ve said to others before, I refuse to enter into an argument over the merits of any episode – or an entire
season. I leave the rough stuff to Fury.
Major Wiggins: Thanks for the counterpoint. But let me make it clear to everyone: feel free to complain that you don’t
like what’s happening on BTVS. Heck, I complain about movies and TV shows every day. Just understand that making a
TV show is complicated business. We try our best, but we’re not always going to get it right. And for the love of all
that’s sweet, if you hate what you’re watching, turn the channel. I do it all the time.
Christopher Marlowe: Thanks! Glad you enjoyed that early draft of Dead Things.
Ariel: If you don’t steer clear of the spoilers, my head will explode.
Greeneyes: It’s nice to be right about something.
Paradox: I hope 19 does it for you. It’s some pretty cool stuff in it. Thanks Joss!
And now my friends I must depart for a pot-pneumonia nap. Stay cool. And for those of you with an X-Box or Playstation
2: SSX Tricky rocks.
*poof, I say, poof*
by Kendahl897 » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:30 pm
by supermus » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:31 pm
by BBOvenGuy » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:32 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Rally:
let me make it clear to everyone: feel free to complain that you don’t like what’s happening on BTVS. Heck, I complain about movies and TV shows every day. Just understand that making a TV show is complicated business. We try our best, but we’re not always going to get it right. And for the love of all that’s sweet, if you hate what you’re watching, turn the channel. I do it all the time.
A perfectly fair and honest bit of advice. It may come back to haunt him, though, if UPN ever starts asking why the ratings have dropped.
quote:by TarotX » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:33 pm
Sorry that I write Like I'm a regular. It's just that I've been lurking here for a long long long long time and feel like I know most of you almost like old friends.
by xita » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:34 pm
I thought marti had said she was writing 21. Now we know she wrote 20, the big Willow goes nutso episode. No wonder Joss cried. Makes sense too, Marti loves to make Willow cry. Thanks marti
by Karzia » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:35 pm
quote:
Originally posted by SeanGaffney:
I will not write a ScullyBus filk based on the Vengaboys song...
How about The Who's "Magic Bus" Make it a happy song with good W/T moments. Hey that would also make a great music montage for the audio/video folks.
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Originally posted by xita:
OH he know he killed Tara and that he'll take heat for it. I am not too keen on his switch the channel bit. What show will they have when everyone switches the channel. Whatever.I thought marti had said she was writing 21. Now we know she wrote 20, the big Willow goes nutso episode. No wonder Joss cried. Makes sense too, Marti loves to make Willow cry. Thanks marti
Oh, I *so* agree on both points, Xita. And Marti writing the ep that apparently deals with some of the aftermath...that bodes well-not! Dammit, I don't want this much angst!!!
As for not wanting to deal with justifying specific eps/plot points/etc- if Mr. DeKnight did in fact pen Tara's death, he's gonna have a hard time NOT discussing what went into this particular plotting decision.
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Un-fucking-believable.
I feel like crying.
It is taking everything in my power to not bash the writers and their total lack of originality. For once I would like to see a couple in love stay in love -- now that would be a novel idea.
I could go off further but, I don't know if I can maintain restraint.
I'm gonna go wallow in more depression.
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"Bitterness is your gift."
Oh ain't it just. Ain't it bloody just.
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Don't know if you've all seen, but it might be of interest to the scullybus clan that AngelX has now posted in her "extra spoilage" section, confirming that Willow is definitely the season's Big Bad (using that very term), according to her sources, and that, cryptically, she can be stopped by "no one (and nothing)"...
in sadness,
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I've spent half my weekend drunk and the other half reading this thread.
And now it's come down to holding onto some hope that all this will be wished away in the end. But that doesn't change having to watch Tara die.
It's just so fucking stupid.
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And I am sorry if they make Willow bad -- have her kill a human (no matter what the reason and no matter how horrible a person) -- I really cannot see myself supporting the show anymore.
Of course if Tara's death is permanent I will be gone as a viewer anyway.
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Originally posted by AutumnT:
now it's come down to holding onto some hope that all this will be wished away in the end. But that doesn't change having to watch Tara die.
That's what I hate about the "let's kill everybody and then push the reset button" episodes. For the characters, it's as if nothing happened, but we still had to sit through all the senseless horror and brutality.
I'm beginning to think I won't be watching the end of this season at all. If they wind up taking everything back, I might be coaxed into watching next season - but meanwhile I'm not going to sit here and be tortured in my own home.
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Does anyone know when the episodes, including 22 are going to air?
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This really isn't what I'd anticipated of the show. Yeah, I've always expected Buffy to surprise me - but killing off characters has been done before. Joyce died, and that meant the show dealt with death.
And apart from the deep sadness, does anyone else just think this whole "Tara dies and Willow goes evil" plot is just totally lame? It's like something out of bad fanfiction.
Which sounds like I'm jumping on the Scullybus - but I'm not disputing the validity of the spoilers. "Spike and Buffy have sex" is like something out of fanfiction, too.
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quote:
Originally posted by VampNo1:
It's weird because I keep remembering Steven Deknight posting on the Bronze saying episode 19 wasn't very dark.
Oh I remember this conversation. We had it last week, and I said don't trust a single word that evil bastard DeKnight says, and people were like, "Oh, but he said this time he meant it that it was light", not like the last time where he called Dead Things a 'light-hearted little romp.'
You can't trust ANY of those bastards to tell you the truth. They're all accomplished and professional liars. The only thing you can trust is what you see on the screen, and you can't even trust your interpretation of that, because then they'll come along with another episode and take it all back.
Three seasons of being in love with Willow and Tara? Screw it. It was all a big lie.
This is such bullshit that I can't believe this is even happening. I went to bed this morning after being up 21 hours with this, and it still is here. This is so, so bogus. I just want to smash my head against the wall and make it all go away.
Yesterday I was the one saying to trust Joss, and to wait and see, that this is all just the writers playing us. And you know what - my head still knows that its true and I encourage other people to take that no-doubt good advice.
But my heart is just MAD AS HELL. How dare they fucking toy with our emotions like this?! How dare they! Who the hell do they think they are to give us hope and then not just dash it to the ground, but spit on us in the process.
I just want to grab the Troll hammer and pound them into a red-colored mush. I swear, if they really go through with this and it doesn't get reversed, I'm going to have my name engraved on the sidewalk outside of UPN as I walk up and down with my picket sign.
bzengo
Much more angry - rage would not be too strong a word - than yesterday, and not getting any better
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posted March 10, 2002 20:43 I'm not sure where the "23" episodes rumour came from, but to my knowledge there are 22 episodes this season.UPN bought 44 episodes of BtVS from Fox/ME.
2 seasons of 22 episodes each.
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quote:
Originally posted by xita:
OH he know he killed Tara and that he'll take heat for it. I am not too keen on his switch the channel bit. What show will they have when everyone switches the channel. Whatever.I thought marti had said she was writing 21. Now we know she wrote 20, the big Willow goes nutso episode. No wonder Joss cried. Makes sense too, Marti loves to make Willow cry. Thanks marti
Oh, I *so* agree on both points, Xita. And Marti writing the ep that apparently deals with some of the aftermath...that bodes well-not! Dammit, I don't want this much angst!!!
As for not wanting to deal with justifying specific eps/plot points/etc- if Mr. DeKnight did in fact pen Tara's death, he's gonna have a hard time NOT discussing what went into this particular plotting decision.
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posted March 10, 2002 20:47quote:
Originally posted by xita:
OH he know he killed Tara and that he'll take heat for it. I am not too keen on his switch the channel bit. What show will they have when everyone switches the channel. Whatever.I thought marti had said she was writing 21. Now we know she wrote 20, the big Willow goes nutso episode. No wonder Joss cried. Makes sense too, Marti loves to make Willow cry. Thanks marti
Oh, I *so* agree on both points, Xita. And Marti writing the ep that apparently deals with some of the aftermath...that bodes well-not! Dammit, I don't want this much angst!!!
As for not wanting to deal with justifying specific eps/plot points/etc- if Mr. DeKnight did in fact pen Tara's death, he's gonna have a hard time NOT discussing what went into this particular plotting decision.
Un-fucking-believable.
I feel like crying.
It is taking everything in my power to not bash the writers and their total lack of originality. For once I would like to see a couple in love stay in love -- now that would be a novel idea.
I could go off further but, I don't know if I can maintain restraint.
I'm gonna go wallow in more depression.
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posted March 10, 2002 20:54 Just when I thought my life couldn't get anymore depressing I read this.Un-fucking-believable.
I feel like crying.
It is taking everything in my power to not bash the writers and their total lack of originality. For once I would like to see a couple in love stay in love -- now that would be a novel idea.
I could go off further but, I don't know if I can maintain restraint.
I'm gonna go wallow in more depression.
jill
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And the good news just keeps on rollin' in.
"Bitterness is your gift."
Oh ain't it just. Ain't it bloody just.
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posted March 10, 2002 21:04 Marti. Oh Marti.And the good news just keeps on rollin' in.
"Bitterness is your gift."
Oh ain't it just. Ain't it bloody just.
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posted March 10, 2002 21:06 Now i'm lost. First when he said that the spoilers were nasty i thought "oh god.. maybe they ARE fake after all" but then he said that if we don't like what we see on the show bla bla i felt bad again, like "i kill tara, if you don't like it don't watch it" or something like that------------------
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Extra spoilage up ahead...
Don't know if you've all seen, but it might be of interest to the scullybus clan that AngelX has now posted in her "extra spoilage" section, confirming that Willow is definitely the season's Big Bad (using that very term), according to her sources, and that, cryptically, she can be stopped by "no one (and nothing)"...
in sadness,
ayl
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posted March 10, 2002 21:08Extra spoilage up ahead...
Don't know if you've all seen, but it might be of interest to the scullybus clan that AngelX has now posted in her "extra spoilage" section, confirming that Willow is definitely the season's Big Bad (using that very term), according to her sources, and that, cryptically, she can be stopped by "no one (and nothing)"...
in sadness,
ayl
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posted March 10, 2002 21:18 Angel X doesn't have info on 21 or 22 so that may be premature. For the record, considering Sam's statement in As You Were about the shamans, Willow wouldn't last long doing this kind of magic.IP: LoggedAutumnTSassy Eggs I've spent half my weekend drunk and the other half reading this thread.
And now it's come down to holding onto some hope that all this will be wished away in the end. But that doesn't change having to watch Tara die.
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posted March 10, 2002 21:18 I am just. so. depressed.I've spent half my weekend drunk and the other half reading this thread.
And now it's come down to holding onto some hope that all this will be wished away in the end. But that doesn't change having to watch Tara die.
It's just so fucking stupid.
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IP: LoggedBrynnDoll's Eye Crystal And I am sorry if they make Willow bad -- have her kill a human (no matter what the reason and no matter how horrible a person) -- I really cannot see myself supporting the show anymore.
Of course if Tara's death is permanent I will be gone as a viewer anyway.
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posted March 10, 2002 21:21 I agree with xita on this -- may be premature considering there is no info on ep 21 and 22.And I am sorry if they make Willow bad -- have her kill a human (no matter what the reason and no matter how horrible a person) -- I really cannot see myself supporting the show anymore.
Of course if Tara's death is permanent I will be gone as a viewer anyway.
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posted March 10, 2002 21:21 enough.. enough!!*runs crying out of this thread where she spent all of her weekend in*
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Originally posted by AutumnT:
now it's come down to holding onto some hope that all this will be wished away in the end. But that doesn't change having to watch Tara die.
That's what I hate about the "let's kill everybody and then push the reset button" episodes. For the characters, it's as if nothing happened, but we still had to sit through all the senseless horror and brutality.
I'm beginning to think I won't be watching the end of this season at all. If they wind up taking everything back, I might be coaxed into watching next season - but meanwhile I'm not going to sit here and be tortured in my own home.
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posted March 10, 2002 21:23quote:
Originally posted by AutumnT:
now it's come down to holding onto some hope that all this will be wished away in the end. But that doesn't change having to watch Tara die.
That's what I hate about the "let's kill everybody and then push the reset button" episodes. For the characters, it's as if nothing happened, but we still had to sit through all the senseless horror and brutality.
I'm beginning to think I won't be watching the end of this season at all. If they wind up taking everything back, I might be coaxed into watching next season - but meanwhile I'm not going to sit here and be tortured in my own home.
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posted March 10, 2002 21:24 Yeah, it's fucking stupid. But i'd rather watch Tara die and then coming back, than just watch her die, you know.Oh i need help, i can't get out of my room. I've been here all day reading this thread.
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Um I should warn you it is driven by a lesbian so my chances of not crashing are slim. Remember a vague disclaimer is no-ones friend.
Does anyone know when the episodes, including 22 are going to air?
Edited too say that I will swerve for writers if requested
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posted March 10, 2002 21:25 *brmm brmmm* goes the bus of denial through the spoiler thread. Man this bus is full.Um I should warn you it is driven by a lesbian so my chances of not crashing are slim. Remember a vague disclaimer is no-ones friend.
Does anyone know when the episodes, including 22 are going to air?
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posted March 10, 2002 21:26 The more I read the more bitter I get. If they do kill Tara off, I will stop watching, thank you very much. And I'll stop buying all the merchandise I buy,too. And I'll be joining Lisa on E-Bay with mine. And maybe when the ratings drop, the writers can all go get jobs on All My Children, since they seem to have sunk to that level. This really isn't what I'd anticipated of the show. Yeah, I've always expected Buffy to surprise me - but killing off characters has been done before. Joyce died, and that meant the show dealt with death.
And apart from the deep sadness, does anyone else just think this whole "Tara dies and Willow goes evil" plot is just totally lame? It's like something out of bad fanfiction.
Which sounds like I'm jumping on the Scullybus - but I'm not disputing the validity of the spoilers. "Spike and Buffy have sex" is like something out of fanfiction, too.
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posted March 10, 2002 21:27 Does that mean this Season, or next the as well, I wonder? Because surely Willow couldn't be a big bad for only two episodes?This really isn't what I'd anticipated of the show. Yeah, I've always expected Buffy to surprise me - but killing off characters has been done before. Joyce died, and that meant the show dealt with death.
And apart from the deep sadness, does anyone else just think this whole "Tara dies and Willow goes evil" plot is just totally lame? It's like something out of bad fanfiction.
Which sounds like I'm jumping on the Scullybus - but I'm not disputing the validity of the spoilers. "Spike and Buffy have sex" is like something out of fanfiction, too.
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Originally posted by VampNo1:
It's weird because I keep remembering Steven Deknight posting on the Bronze saying episode 19 wasn't very dark.
Oh I remember this conversation. We had it last week, and I said don't trust a single word that evil bastard DeKnight says, and people were like, "Oh, but he said this time he meant it that it was light", not like the last time where he called Dead Things a 'light-hearted little romp.'
You can't trust ANY of those bastards to tell you the truth. They're all accomplished and professional liars. The only thing you can trust is what you see on the screen, and you can't even trust your interpretation of that, because then they'll come along with another episode and take it all back.
Three seasons of being in love with Willow and Tara? Screw it. It was all a big lie.
This is such bullshit that I can't believe this is even happening. I went to bed this morning after being up 21 hours with this, and it still is here. This is so, so bogus. I just want to smash my head against the wall and make it all go away.
Yesterday I was the one saying to trust Joss, and to wait and see, that this is all just the writers playing us. And you know what - my head still knows that its true and I encourage other people to take that no-doubt good advice.
But my heart is just MAD AS HELL. How dare they fucking toy with our emotions like this?! How dare they! Who the hell do they think they are to give us hope and then not just dash it to the ground, but spit on us in the process.
I just want to grab the Troll hammer and pound them into a red-colored mush. I swear, if they really go through with this and it doesn't get reversed, I'm going to have my name engraved on the sidewalk outside of UPN as I walk up and down with my picket sign.
bzengo
Much more angry - rage would not be too strong a word - than yesterday, and not getting any better
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posted March 10, 2002 21:35quote:
Originally posted by VampNo1:
It's weird because I keep remembering Steven Deknight posting on the Bronze saying episode 19 wasn't very dark.
Oh I remember this conversation. We had it last week, and I said don't trust a single word that evil bastard DeKnight says, and people were like, "Oh, but he said this time he meant it that it was light", not like the last time where he called Dead Things a 'light-hearted little romp.'
You can't trust ANY of those bastards to tell you the truth. They're all accomplished and professional liars. The only thing you can trust is what you see on the screen, and you can't even trust your interpretation of that, because then they'll come along with another episode and take it all back.
Three seasons of being in love with Willow and Tara? Screw it. It was all a big lie.
This is such bullshit that I can't believe this is even happening. I went to bed this morning after being up 21 hours with this, and it still is here. This is so, so bogus. I just want to smash my head against the wall and make it all go away.
Yesterday I was the one saying to trust Joss, and to wait and see, that this is all just the writers playing us. And you know what - my head still knows that its true and I encourage other people to take that no-doubt good advice.
But my heart is just MAD AS HELL. How dare they fucking toy with our emotions like this?! How dare they! Who the hell do they think they are to give us hope and then not just dash it to the ground, but spit on us in the process.
I just want to grab the Troll hammer and pound them into a red-colored mush. I swear, if they really go through with this and it doesn't get reversed, I'm going to have my name engraved on the sidewalk outside of UPN as I walk up and down with my picket sign.
bzengo
Much more angry - rage would not be too strong a word - than yesterday, and not getting any better
by The Partyman » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:43 pm
UPN bought 44 episodes of BtVS from Fox/ME.
2 seasons of 22 episodes each.
by Karzia » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:47 pm
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by Wiccagrrl » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:47 pm
quote:
Originally posted by xita:
OH he know he killed Tara and that he'll take heat for it. I am not too keen on his switch the channel bit. What show will they have when everyone switches the channel. Whatever.I thought marti had said she was writing 21. Now we know she wrote 20, the big Willow goes nutso episode. No wonder Joss cried. Makes sense too, Marti loves to make Willow cry. Thanks marti
Oh, I *so* agree on both points, Xita. And Marti writing the ep that apparently deals with some of the aftermath...that bodes well-not! Dammit, I don't want this much angst!!!
As for not wanting to deal with justifying specific eps/plot points/etc- if Mr. DeKnight did in fact pen Tara's death, he's gonna have a hard time NOT discussing what went into this particular plotting decision.
by jsr » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:54 pm
Un-fucking-believable.
I feel like crying.
It is taking everything in my power to not bash the writers and their total lack of originality. For once I would like to see a couple in love stay in love -- now that would be a novel idea.
I could go off further but, I don't know if I can maintain restraint.
I'm gonna go wallow in more depression.
jill
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I lurk, therefore I am.
by tommo » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:04 pm
And the good news just keeps on rollin' in.
"Bitterness is your gift."
Oh ain't it just. Ain't it bloody just.
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by Kittie17 » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:06 pm
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by Aylandi » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:08 pm
Extra spoilage up ahead...
Don't know if you've all seen, but it might be of interest to the scullybus clan that AngelX has now posted in her "extra spoilage" section, confirming that Willow is definitely the season's Big Bad (using that very term), according to her sources, and that, cryptically, she can be stopped by "no one (and nothing)"...
in sadness,
ayl
by AutumnT » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:18 pm
I've spent half my weekend drunk and the other half reading this thread.
And now it's come down to holding onto some hope that all this will be wished away in the end. But that doesn't change having to watch Tara die.
It's just so fucking stupid.
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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.
by xita » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:18 pm
by Lindy » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:21 pm
*runs crying out of this thread where she spent all of her weekend in*
by Brynn » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:21 pm
And I am sorry if they make Willow bad -- have her kill a human (no matter what the reason and no matter how horrible a person) -- I really cannot see myself supporting the show anymore.
Of course if Tara's death is permanent I will be gone as a viewer anyway.
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by BBOvenGuy » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:23 pm
quote:
Originally posted by AutumnT:
now it's come down to holding onto some hope that all this will be wished away in the end. But that doesn't change having to watch Tara die.
That's what I hate about the "let's kill everybody and then push the reset button" episodes. For the characters, it's as if nothing happened, but we still had to sit through all the senseless horror and brutality.
I'm beginning to think I won't be watching the end of this season at all. If they wind up taking everything back, I might be coaxed into watching next season - but meanwhile I'm not going to sit here and be tortured in my own home.
quote:by Kittie17 » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:24 pm
Oh i need help, i can't get out of my room. I've been here all day reading this thread.
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Todo lo que necesitamos es sentido comun y eso no puede ser enseñado
by Puff » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:25 pm
Um I should warn you it is driven by a lesbian so my chances of not crashing are slim. Remember a vague disclaimer is no-ones friend.
Does anyone know when the episodes, including 22 are going to air?
Edited too say that I will swerve for writers if requested
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by Kendahl897 » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:26 pm
by Under Her Spell » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:27 pm
This really isn't what I'd anticipated of the show. Yeah, I've always expected Buffy to surprise me - but killing off characters has been done before. Joyce died, and that meant the show dealt with death.
And apart from the deep sadness, does anyone else just think this whole "Tara dies and Willow goes evil" plot is just totally lame? It's like something out of bad fanfiction.
Which sounds like I'm jumping on the Scullybus - but I'm not disputing the validity of the spoilers. "Spike and Buffy have sex" is like something out of fanfiction, too.
by bzengo » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:35 pm
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Originally posted by VampNo1:
It's weird because I keep remembering Steven Deknight posting on the Bronze saying episode 19 wasn't very dark.
Oh I remember this conversation. We had it last week, and I said don't trust a single word that evil bastard DeKnight says, and people were like, "Oh, but he said this time he meant it that it was light", not like the last time where he called Dead Things a 'light-hearted little romp.'
You can't trust ANY of those bastards to tell you the truth. They're all accomplished and professional liars. The only thing you can trust is what you see on the screen, and you can't even trust your interpretation of that, because then they'll come along with another episode and take it all back.
Three seasons of being in love with Willow and Tara? Screw it. It was all a big lie.
This is such bullshit that I can't believe this is even happening. I went to bed this morning after being up 21 hours with this, and it still is here. This is so, so bogus. I just want to smash my head against the wall and make it all go away.
Yesterday I was the one saying to trust Joss, and to wait and see, that this is all just the writers playing us. And you know what - my head still knows that its true and I encourage other people to take that no-doubt good advice.
But my heart is just MAD AS HELL. How dare they fucking toy with our emotions like this?! How dare they! Who the hell do they think they are to give us hope and then not just dash it to the ground, but spit on us in the process.
I just want to grab the Troll hammer and pound them into a red-colored mush. I swear, if they really go through with this and it doesn't get reversed, I'm going to have my name engraved on the sidewalk outside of UPN as I walk up and down with my picket sign.
bzengo
Much more angry - rage would not be too strong a word - than yesterday, and not getting any better
by mariacomet » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:35 pm
I had been reading the other boards and some people are saying what a brillant plot twist a Tara death, Willow big bad thing would be.
Yes that's right, BRILLANT except for it takes NO imagination. I mean people have been calling these two things since the BEGINNING of the season. THAT is how suspenseful and imaginative it is.
That's right - it's brillant. Because watching the Scoobies suffer for no real reason other than SHOCK value is amazingly good television.
Destroying characters that people love and what many love about them is extremely good television. Yep. It's all about entertainment right?
Look, if I wanted just to be entertained, I would play Freecell. Somewhere this show moved beyond entertaining for me and became something I loved. The point is the characters. It is a CHARACTER driven show. I love these chracters. And yes they happen to entertain me, but that's because I love them. I want to cheer them on. I cry with them when they hurt. I get all happy and giddy when good things happen to them.
I...am a fan, dammit. and I have NO clue where these other people are coming from.
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