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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby GreenNeutron » Tue Mar 12, 2002 7:40 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Ange:
W/T album pics, for Normal Again up, here:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291982503

Hope you'll like it. Believe me it won't be the last!!

Ange.


Thank you so much ange!!! !! I don't get Buffy here at VT !!! hehe... your caps were almost like watching the whole thing though

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby tiger17 » Tue Mar 12, 2002 7:52 pm

I just watched the episode and I have to say I was a little confused at first but then it started to make some sense to me. I liked the ep once I figured out what was going on.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby jessan15 » Tue Mar 12, 2002 7:55 pm

tommo...I'm so glad it wasn't just me...

When the view cut to Tara walking down the hall...the jaw dropped...I was like 'look how nice the pants are shaped on that butt of hers'...couldn't stop staring...I've already rewound and watched that scene 15 times DROOLING.

And THEN I notice Willow walking away...HELLO DOLLY.

For the what...45 seconds the scene took, my mind will be twirling for weeks.

Oh, and Willow wins for the best pick up line of the SERIES.

As far as the whole AU thing..Joyce rocked. I miss her too. IMO, Hank should say gone.

And I for one was thrilled that Spike was basically telling off Xander for leaving Anya. Somebody needed to. Guess the demons gotta stick together.

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Postby Tiggrscorpio » Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:12 pm

Wow, creepy episode. I have mixed feelings about it. So great to see Joyce again. I was sad for her at the end. I agree, Hank should stay gone. Nice B/W interactions. You could really feel the best friend bond throughout (even if she did tie her up and lock her in the basement).

Spike was an ass and poor Dawn. Invisible again.

Loved jealous Willow and to the rescue Tara. No magic from Willow again was great. She swings a pretty good bat!

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Ursula » Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:19 pm

*waves*

HELLO ALL!!! i've been lurking and now i'm posting--TA DAA!!!!!

brilliant thoughts, all, but i have to say that just because Buffy is catatonic at the end doesn't mean this is REAL reality, you know??? it disturbed me, too, and still does, because the creators could of course say that at the end of the series (not without SERIOUSLY pissing me off, but i think they could live with themselves...).

i think what's important to remember is that while she is catatonic in that scene, she IS THERE, and there are many, many scenes in Sunnydale where she's NOT there. so if that's the litmus test for alternate realities, Sunnydale fares better than the mental hospital. she hadn't taken the antidote yet, so she could have just been dimly aware of the tail end of the hallucination....

assuming the ME world makes sense, which it doesn't always!!!

anyhow, hello all!!!

oh and LOVED the "kisses and gay love" line *swoon*

~Urs

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Epicurus » Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:36 pm

I am at a loss for the words I want to express right now. My thoughts are too scattered, so all I'm gonna say is that that was in no way a "filler" episode.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Tree » Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:41 pm

Maybe someone can help me out here. Was this episode scheduled to air early? I put the TV on at 8 and the hockey game was on so I figured it was just scheduled in the 10:00 time slot again. This network has done that a few times already. But the game went into over time and at 10:30 they aired Judge Mathis. So either they aired Buffy early and I missed the announcement, possibly at 7 and I missed it completely (in which case, I'm pissed) or they pre-empted the episode completely tonight.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Pixie » Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:45 pm

Wow!! A very thought-provoking episode - just spent a half-hour on the phone with a close friend discussing the ep and she started telling me about a point in her life when she was so depressed she became delusional. whoa.

Anyway, Willow was so adorable practicing for her run-in with Tara. And Tara looked gorgeous throughout. During the last commercial I said to my friend, "either Spike will come back, or Tara will come over to talk to Willow." Go Tara!!

On to some other reactions. Sorry, about the brief W/T fest, but I feel like rejoicing in them is a given.

It was so bittersweet to see Joyce. I felt badly for Xander when he came back, but I wish he would stop being such an ass to Spike - he treats Spike more like dirt than Buffy did. I liked the B/S interaction in the cemetary, and all the scenes between Buffy and Willow. SMG did a fabulous job. And poor Dawnie! It's not a Tuesday without some trauma for her.

Here was my biggest problem - Buffy saying that she had been institutionalized for a few weeks before coming to Sunnydale. While I was surprised that she hadn't told Willow, that part of it does make sense. But IMO this blows a huge hole in Joyce's denial/selective memory thing all through high school, and is also inconsistent with her reaction to finding out Buffy is the slayer. I mean, if she already had some inkling that Buffy was involved in mythical battles with monsters (even if Joyce didn't believe it), then wouldn't she have been more likely to ask Buffy about the fighting and blood on her clothes? Especially if Joyce didn't believe that was real, given what a caring mom she always was and if Buffy had been institutionalized, wouldn't she have been more concerned and looked into things much more carefully? I hope I'm articulating this coherently, because this seemed to be a glaring continuity error, and I'd like to know what you think.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Daffy » Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:59 pm

I wondered about Joyce being so surprised about the Slayer thing too (should've known--hello--funny farm visit). I couldn't tell when Buffy was there tho. She said when I saw my first vamp, but not when I slayed my first vamp. I thought maybe she'd seen vamps as a child, but didn't know of her destiny then.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Kalita » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:00 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Pixie:
Here was my biggest problem - Buffy saying that she had been institutionalized for a few weeks before coming to Sunnydale.

I fully agree; this smacks far too much of 'convenient invention'.

If she was institutionalized, was it before or after the school-gym-burning incident? Before or after the divorce? I want timeline here.

I do say 'if'. It's possible that she just thinks that's how things went; that the hallucinogenic poison might have somehow planted the memory of that to make her think, 'yikes, what if I am still locked up?' when she never was ever locked up in the first place.

Weird stuff. I doubt the next episode will address it, but you never know...quote:

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Ursula » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:00 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Pixie:
I felt badly for Xander when he came back, but I wish he would stop being such an ass to Spike - he treats Spike more like dirt than Buffy did.

Here was my biggest problem - Buffy saying that she had been institutionalized for a few weeks before coming to Sunnydale. While I was surprised that she hadn't told Willow, that part of it does make sense. But IMO this blows a huge hole in Joyce's denial/selective memory thing all through high school, and is also inconsistent with her reaction to finding out Buffy is the slayer. ....this seemed to be a glaring continuity error, and I'd like to know what you think.


i totally agree on both counts. Xander is a total ass to Spike--SO hypocritical considering the unrepentant ex-demon he loves, doncha think??? Xander has always been judgemental where both Spike and Angel were concerned, no mercy--actually a TAD more mercy for Spike than Angel, oddly enough! but then Xander goes and falls in love with an ex-demon who knows she did all kinds of evil and doesn't seem to care at all... but THAT he's perfectly ok with...???

also, i love my Spikey and hate to see Xander being mean to him

and you're right that the idea that Buffy was once institutionalized doesn't really gel. still, it's not NEARLY as full of continuity holes as Fool for Love (about which i will be eternally pissed!), so pretty minor considering.

i dunno. feeling a bit disappointed in certain aspects of where the show is going--real disappointed in some of the spoilers i'm hearing about, too, though i won't mention them here.

ah well. still a great show, but they are losing me on some levels. we'll see if they can get me back....

~Urs
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby The Rose » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:14 pm

Spike is a jerk to Xander first. Also, Spike is always putting down Xander's job and his place in the group. It is about time Xander gets some payback.

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Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Owl » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:19 pm

Oh wow. I am so very frustrated to have to wait for more now. agh!

reactions: nothing original to say on the W/T stuff.... mmmm... pants....go magic tara!

On the previous visit to the mental hospital bit, started by Pixie. Yeah. That bothered me too. On the one hand, selective memory has happened more than once on the show. On the other... this is completely out of nowhere. I hope they clean up this little point soon.
On another note regarding that scene. Damn, Alyson Hannigan is a great actress! Her expressions.... just amazing. I'd like to see her land some more serious non-nerd roles in movies. like, she could be an action hero lady herself. Not that I don't like the comedy, 'cause i do... And it's good to see Willow being better. Liking the MotherWillow muchly.

I felt almost David Lynchy circa twin peaks and very very overanalyzey in the Dawn/Buffy scene in Dawn's room. I felt like the whole "oh, grow up thing" was being adressed there. D:"You're burning up" (omwf-walk through the fire)like, now she's feeling again? and D:"maybe you're not done growing yet." hmmm.

p.s. anyone else think that the Waxy demon seemed sort of.... i dunno... like an emasculated polgara/ Adam? W:"I need its arms"

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby jessan15 » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:22 pm

Spike's a jerk, that one I'll give ya.

But you gotta admit, no one was giving Xander ANY grief for what he did to Anya. Sorry, if I had been there...he'd have my hand printed on his face.

Good point about Xander in love with the guilt-free ex-demon. Hopefully they will be addressing that issue soon enough.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby lesbianinmaine » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:45 pm

Well, damnit! I come to post less than 3 hours after Buffy has ended, and everyone has already said everything Less than a week ago I had the random thought that this ep had the potential to be a mindblower, was I ever right. Then I read Herc's review, and was so disappointed-2 and 1/2 stars? Is he on drugs? His descriptions didn't even seem to come from the same episode that I watched. I loved just about everything about it.
Willow was as cute as cute can be! She looks much more earthy, and I now have a thing for ponytails. I was just wondering recently how Willow would look, her hair was getting long enough. I spent the better part of most of her scenes staring at her neck, that's not weird, right?
Tara was, well, yummy. How is such goodness packed into one woman?
I still can't be mad at Xander. He screwed up big time, he knows it.
How does SMG manage to rip my heart out in almost every Buffy episode, ever? Hell, for a while, I wanted her to stay safe and loved with her parents, out of danger, out of pain.
Dawn was incredible, it was totally freaky when she was trying to get away from Buffy.
I loved the digs at some of the criticisms this season. "I should be taller than you", "Has Willow been doing your chores for you?" I actually laughed out loud and then was trying not to cry, all in the span of about 30 seconds. What more could I ask for?
Oh, yeah. TaraAss. Got that too.
A very contented Kitty.
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby april » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:51 pm

yes, i too echo the hordes who thought that willow was *adorable* in this ep. she can use that "gay love" line on me any time. and xita, yeah RIGHT you wouldn't give tara a little kiss if willow was around. i'd like to see you TRY and resist the temptation. especially if she were wearing those pants.

and buffy was definitely speaking for all kitties when she said "once you fall for willow, you stay fallen".

i really liked this ep because BOTH willow and tara got to kick some major ass. willow found the demon through research and concocted the antidote, all without magic. to say nothing of bravely pounding on the demon with that baseball bat when they were down in the basement. and tara working her magic mojo there at the end...just awesome. man, she's gotta have some bruises from that fall, though. and i'm *so* glad willow rushes over to see if she's okay after she falls. that's the one part i thought the wildfeed description was missing.

anyone wonder exactly *why* tara was coming over to the summers' house? it had to be to clear things up with willow, and explain that little miss smoochie was just a friend. yep, i'm sure of it.

okay, and was anyone else REALLY disappointed at the brief scene in the doublemeat? i SO wanted buffy to have quit that loser job when she ran off with riley...but no such luck.

anya was conspicuously missing tonight. that can't be good news. like xander said, hearing that she'd closed the magic shop made my blood run cold.

it's really depessing to think that buffy's been so detached and unhappy with her life lately that she can convince herself it's all a hallucination. that she would actually decide to give up her life as a slayer and kill her best friends to "return" to a life where she's institutionalized shows exactly how disconnected she is. and, as dawn incorrectly assumed, it might cause some to believe that she preferred life in an asylum to her life in sunnydale.

that being said, i love how self-referential this show was. the doctor wonderfully deconstructed the show's entire premise, while underscoring that it wasn't her super powers or heroism that made her life in sunnydale attractive - it was her friends. they kept her "anchored" there. and in the end, she was even willing to let go of the mother she thought she'd lost in order to save them.

finally, has anyone else noticed how depressing the end of each show has been this season? hardly any of them have had happy endings, and tonight was no exception. even the comedic eps like "tabula rasa" were horribly sad at the end. i think that's one of the main reasons why this season has seemed so dark and depressing - even when the good guys win, there's still this underlying sense of loss and despair. people end up sitting around sort of shell-shocked, thinking about what a mess their lives are. this is true for buffy when she reflects on being pulled out of heaven, for willow when she faces the consequences of her magic abuse (tara leaving and dawn getting hurt), for xander when he leaves anya at the altar, and tonight for everyone when buffy very nearly killed them all, intentionally. gone are the days when the bad guys were vanquished and the scoobies walked off into the distance with light hearts and witty puns. maybe having to face so many consequences is a part of growing up, but at least part of me longs for the good old days. enough darkness already!

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Italiangirl » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:03 pm

Veeeeeery interesting episode. I've only just watched it once so far, but I will be watching it several more times in the near future, I think. Many layers of commentary going on here, and I think there was much forshadowing to the rest of the season. I think, in fact, this eppy may turn out to be this season's "Restless."

To me it was extremely significant that the last scene we see is Buffy in the asylum, and not in the basement. Also, the fact that we do not see Buffy take the antidote. IMO, this leaves the entire rest of the season wide open to be manipulated by the "alternate reality" card, that is, unless we see Buffy taking the antidote in the next ep. Hmmmmm.

Also, I found the doctor's discussion's of Buffy's delusions very interesting, and worth more scrutiny. I will have more to say about that once I rewatch the episode, and I will probably end up having to post my thoughts in the spoiler thread. *Italiangirl sends a sideways grin towards the mods*

Another interesting thing that too me bears more discussion is Buffy's statement to Willow when she appears in her room with the antidote in the mug. Buffy says that Willow always comes through, but the way she says it...her intonation, I thought it was almost sinister, or disappointed. Almost as if Willow had "come through" before by bringing her back from the dead and pulling her out of "heaven" (I use the quotes on purpose...I've never been convinced of that) and now Willow is on the scene "coming through" again with an antidote that will draw Buffy out of her delusions and world of 'safe' institutions when Buffy wasn't really ready. I felt like there was a major undercurrent of resentment when Buffy said that, and I also think it is a statement that will have significance in episodes to come. Anyone else have any thoughts here?

Regarding Spike, I still truly believe he loves Buffy. I'm not interested in a whole redemption/evil vamp debate, but I do think he wants her happiness. I viewed the scene where he was telling her to tell the scoobs about him as evidence of his compassion. I don't think the scoobs knowing about him was his main concern at all. He said to her that if she told them, it would either set her free and send him into the backdrop again or make her realize how much she loved the darkside, but either way it would set her free, and make her START LIVING AGAIN. He knows it is killing her to have him be her dirty little secret, and he's right when he says that getting their liason out in the open will be one more step to her overcoming her shame/detachment. I think he also knows that the scoobs would never betray her/shun her/punish her for it, even if they would him. I thought it was a selfless act on his part.

Finally, the fluff:

VAVOOM TARA! I love it when she wears her hair swept up like that, and when she came into view in the hallway for me it was like she moved in slowmotion with bars of "Foxy Lady" playing in the background, albeit Wayne's World.

Also, Willow...how much did she look just like her old self tonight? With her ponytail and clothes, and the hat! How long has it been since we've seen a Willowhat. Yay! I thought it was the first time all season that I looked at her and really saw the "Good old Willow" looking back.

I also loved seeing Buffy, Xander and Willow patrolling together in the cemetery. It has been a long time since we've seen that. It was like old home week.

And, of course, all the fuzzy lesbian goodnes of this ep. I won't go into detail because everyone else already has, but I will hold up my little pennant that says "YAY LESBIANS!" on it and wave it around like a big geek.

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You taste so bitter, and so sweet
Darling, I could drink a case of you
And still be on my feet;
I would still be on my feet."
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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby GODisTigger » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:14 pm

quote:
Originally posted by jessan15:
if I had been there...he'd have my hand printed on his face.

Well he DID get a frying pan in the face, stops to savor the moment Ok, I'm back.
Even though it wasn't in relation to the wedding fiasco.

Willow in her ponytail made me think of Season 1 Willow.

Kisses and gay love. Hee hee. She's so cute.

Once you fall for Willow, you stay fallen.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby geekgod » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:14 pm

i really liked this episode, i didn't think that the switching between 'realities' would work too well on screen but i was pleasantly surprised. the episode over-all i enjoyed.

i felt bad for spike in this episode until he was being a jerk to buffy at exactly the wrong time.

the funniest line of the season is willow's kisses and gay love line. it was so entertaining. and the tara and willow interactions at the end made me happy even if they were little protective touches. me and my friends were watching and we were convinced that tara was going to save the day. then buffy knocked tara dow nthe stairs, and willow looked pissed at the end.

the saddest part of the episode was the joyce/buffy interactions that must have been so sad on buffy. also the extreme lack of anya was sad. i miss anya already. she needs to come back.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby april » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:18 pm

oh, one more thought.

enough with TALKING about the kisses and gay love, let's SEE some already!!!

who's with me on this one?

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Pixie » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:39 pm

April, thank you for pointing out kick-ass-with-research-but-not-magic Willow. There was so much else going on in this ep that that totally went under my radar.

In terms of Buffy being so detached that she was willing to kill her friends...I feel like we keep saying "THIS episode (Dead Things, As You Were) is Buffy's 'Smashed'. THIS episode is the one where she realizes she's hit bottom and she has to change." And then, the next week, she sinks even lower. Is Buffy just more stubborn than Willow? Is she less willing to change? (I know I hate change - makes me feel like things are not under my control - and I sometimes have to be hit upside the head several times before I'm willing to alter an attitude, or a part of my life. Well, at least I'm doing my part to support the mental health profession!) Or does she just need her eyes opened a little at a time? So, here I go again: Until something else happens, I think "Normal Again" is Buffy's "Smashed". And before you jump all over me for perpetuating my own point (ooh, kitties all over me!), here's my evidence: Buffy has finally done something equivalent to Willow's endangerment of Dawn in "Smashed" - her actions directly resulted in harm and possible death to her loved ones. This could be the last straw for her. What do you guys think?

Italiangirl, thanks for bringing up Buffy's line "Willow, you always come through." I didn't take it the same way you did, though. I didn't think it was sinister, because it didn't seem to me that she considered killing her friends until later in the episode. At that moment, it seemed like a wistful goodbye. Buffy had decided not to take the antidote even before Willow left the room, and she was sort of saying "I so appreciate everything you've done for me, and this is the last time you'll have to come through for me" in a closure-y way.

And I loved Spike's line to Buffy about starting to live again! It resonated for me very strongly.

Sorry for the long posts. This ep made my head busy!

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby amber/alyfan » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:45 pm

LOL!! exactly what I was thinking Get with the smoochies already I think I speak for everyone here when I say it's been too long. Oh and tara pants and I hate to be repeato girl but how cool was COFFEE KISSES AND GAY LOVE ok I'll shut up now

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby anjee » Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:54 pm

Agh, all the Spike bashing. He wasn't really that big of a jerk. [I mean, HELLO, evil.] All he ever does is say the friggin' truth. He doesn't deserve to be the dirty laundry in Buffy's life, and all the shit he gets from Xander is awful. I'd punch him too.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Ressick » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:16 pm

I am all for the less talk, more gay love...

Far as the ep is concerned, yahoo take-charge Tara .

I liked this mainly for the psych issues it brings up for Buffy, and the fantastic B/W best friend scenes that have been completely lacking this season. I feel like Buffy and Willow have almost continued to drift apart since season 4. When they were both single, I figured they'd turn to each other but it ended up with Buffy turning to Tara (which I LOVED, don't get me wrong!). I think Buffy and Willow need serious friend time because they're still drifting. This ep made me think they'll be getting closer again soon. And of course, W/T will be returning to coupledom.

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby madeira_bluegrrl » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:19 pm

I'm really not emotionally invested in anyone in Buffy except Tara and Willow, but I have to get a few things off of my chest.

Xander- I don't doubt that he loves Anya but he did/does have a tendancy to be a bit sh*tty towards her. I think that he got what he deserved from Spike, because who else was going to say to him what needed to be said?!

Spike- Since when has using Spike been a new thing? That's practically all Buffy did was use him last season. No matter how much she said she hated him anytime she needed information or protection for Dawn he was the first one she went to.

But I digress because I spent most of this ep in a 'Tarabutt haze'.

I know she was poisoned and delusional and all, but did anyone else really want to hurt Buffy for tripping Tara?

Alicia

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Oz_Island » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:28 pm

By far and away the best Buffy ever. To have your sanity questioned to that degree is enough to drive one crazy. It's episodes like this elevates Buffy's character to another level. To be faced with the question she was faced with: "What makes more sense, a world where I'm a superhero chosen to protect the world from vampires, or one where I'm a sick girl in a mental institution?" You can understand why Buffy might've wanted to be the girl in the institution.

My only real complaint about the episode is where the doctor talks about how they had gotten Buffy back during the summer (after her death and before her resurrection). Buffy said that she thought she was in heaven during that time...being in a mental institution certainly can't feel anything like being in heaven even if her mother spent every waking moment with her. My other minor complaint would be that no one person could ever just imagine a world as intricate and detailed as Buffy's...even Whedon has had, and I would argue, needed help along the way to create that world.

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"I have a plan. We wait, and Buffy saves us." - Xander

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Oz_Island » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:34 pm

quote:
Originally posted by madeira_bluegrrl:
I'm really not emotionally invested in anyone in Buffy except Tara and Willow, but I have to get a few things off of my chest.

Xander- I don't doubt that he loves Anya but he did/does have a tendancy to be a bit sh*tty towards her. I think that he got what he deserved from Spike, because who else was going to say to him what needed to be said?!

Spike- Since when has using Spike been a new thing? That's practically all Buffy did was use him last season. No matter how much she said she hated him anytime she needed information or protection for Dawn he was the first one she went to.

But I digress because I spent most of this ep in a 'Tarabutt haze'.

I know she was poisoned and delusional and all, but did anyone else really want to hurt Buffy for tripping Tara?

Alicia


I have always found it kinda hypocritical on Xander's part that he had always been very against Buffy's relationship with Angel, and yet he ended up almost marrying an ex-demon.

And on the whole thing with Anya...she was an ex-vengence demon...to me she is probably only feels about 1/100,000th the amount of pain and suffering she caused during her demon days...I'm not saying it's right, but it is the whole whatever you do will come back onto you three times over.

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"I have a plan. We wait, and Buffy saves us." - Xander

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby tommo » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:35 pm

Two points:

1) Willow is so overcome by grief at not being with Tara and seeing another girl kiss her that she takes to wearing hats again. Me, I'm still recovering from the stripy bobble hat in Season 3.

2) Tara must be a lesbian. D'you see those shoes?

I can't make any more points because I'm needed in my alternate reality any second now. Any minute I'm just going to flash right in there and -

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby Sela » Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:39 pm

Okay, no real deep thoughts here, at least now now, but didn't Amber just look amazingly beautiful today? Especially in the basement. There was something about her...

I can't believe I actually liked her outfit! Oh, and her hair was lovely.

Also, did anybody else have a Willow first season flashback? The ponytail, the ponytail, the ponytail! My sister and I looked at each other and went, "Wha-huh?"

--Sela

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Discussion – S6E17 – "Normal Again"

Postby JJ » Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:15 am

It'll be hard to post coherently when I'm totally knackered, but here goes:

I'm going to spend the whole rest of the shows existence wondering if Buffy just imagined everything in all those years. It's like the series finale of "St. Elsewhere" where all those events were created in the autistic boy's brain. Makes you wonder. But you've got to hand it to SMG, she rocked all around. Can't someone steal an Emmy for this woman?

In terms of needing someone to abuse, Xander and Spike deserve each other. However, when it comes to having my loyalty, Xander's got mine because deep down you have to know he's a good man; Spike will never be that, he's literally the 'necessary evil'.

I wouldn't worry about Anya just yet, especially since Emma still appears on the credits. It was weird not seeing her this evening. Wasn't this to be the ep where she goes back to vengance?

And wasn't this to be the ep where there would be W/T kisses and gay love? Dammit, I'm sooooooooooo disappointed.

Finally, forgive me, I totally missed the Tarapants. I, like Willow, was too blown away by Tara receivng cheekbuss.

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