On the plus side, does this mean Rosie will be back on W&G? Seems like her character’s prospects were left open.
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by imperfectly » Fri Feb 01, 2002 12:47 pm
On the plus side, does this mean Rosie will be back on W&G? Seems like her character’s prospects were left open.
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by Cicca » Fri Feb 01, 2002 12:54 pm
by MoKa » Fri Feb 01, 2002 2:46 pm
by Sela » Fri Feb 01, 2002 2:59 pm
by Cipher » Fri Feb 01, 2002 5:20 pm
I must have heard about the Kelli (sp?) thing a while back because I thought Rosie had already kinda come out (but I also thought not really making an official big deal about it, and I couldn't remember any specifics). When they showed previews of Rosie for W&G it was kinda ironic because the previews made her character seem possibly homophobic (telling Jack to stay away from her son). I liked the way the episode went, though, with her coming out to Jack--if not to her son--as others have posted. Instead of an ironic appearance, it became a prophetic appearance. (There was still the irony about daytime TV....)
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by Jessie » Fri Feb 01, 2002 5:45 pm
My .02 worth.
(Edited b/c I quoted something totally not mentioned in my post -- dumb me. Pay no attention to the woman behind the curtain!
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by littlekitty » Fri Feb 01, 2002 6:02 pm
quote:you're right--she really wasn't in character! however the homedepot line was funny...i laughed so hard!
Originally posted by Jessie:
I personally thought it WAS her way of coming out...(You can tell when someone is in character and when someone isn't -- and she sure didn't seem in character last nite).
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by orion » Fri Feb 01, 2002 10:31 pm
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Originally posted by ShaggyKat:
My gf has a crush on Moulin Rouge's Ewan Mcgregor(hope I spelt that right).
I have a crush on Ewan McGregor too, I think its because he sings and dances...
But back on topic now. I saw W&G last night not expecting to see Rosie let alone get the anouncment that her character was gay. I'm glad shes coming out, now maybe people will stop whispering about her.
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by judy » Fri Feb 01, 2002 10:54 pm
*raises queer femme hand and squeals*
I have a crush on Ewan McGregor too!!!!!!!
*squeals some more*
*looks around and quickly snogs Dr. G*
"It's a little bit funny... this feeling inside..."
by Dumbsaint » Fri Feb 01, 2002 11:16 pm
It's omnisexual boinkfest Friday, MKF!
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by Dr.G » Sat Feb 02, 2002 2:55 am
Ah and I really like Rosie O'Donnell. (had to say something to keep this mildly on topic, but I really do like her )
by Buttercup » Mon Feb 04, 2002 6:09 pm
by kpmuse » Mon Feb 04, 2002 8:25 pm
I was in the audience when she announced her new book the first time and she pretty much described it as the story of a young woman that she met through her adoption agency. She said she was really proud of this book and that she really poured herself into writing it last summer. Cool!
I was also in her audience right after she taped Will & Grace and she said that she had a great time playing Elliot's Mom! An audience member asked Rosie if she knew her character was a lesbian ahead of time and Rosie said yes and she was very excited to play her and she loves the cast. Hopes to do more of the role.
The audience asked her how she felt about playing the part and was she surprised the character was gay? Rosie said no because lots of lesbian moms are going sperm donor route so it felt like it fit quite well.
Oh and on the Rosie crush discussion, just wanted to add that Rosie seems to have crushes on many different people, in addition to Tom Cruise. She is not shy about her love for Barbra Streisand or Macy Gray these days. IMHO, Rosie just enjoys the heck out of these folks and I think she is so totally star struck, like lots of folks.
I wonder if she watches Buffy? Maybe she is a Kitten in disguise and loves Willow & Tara too! Wouldn't that be kind of cool!
Anyway, just wanted to share this with the Kittens! Yeah for Rosie!
by Cicca » Mon Feb 04, 2002 11:46 pm
by maudmac » Tue Feb 05, 2002 12:23 am
As much as I hate the idea of the closet (and have long been out of mine), I have to say I think the way Rosie's doing it is smart. In a way, she's been out all this time to those of us who get it. (The thing with Ellen and being Lebanese, the thing with Nathan Lane and being each other's beards, etc.) But it's doubtful an out lesbian would have gotten her own show or that it would have been so popular. Now America will have to face that the Rosie we've known and loved all these years was gay the whole time. Like coming out to your family and friends. They have to confront the fact that they loved you even when they didn't know, so how can your sexuality change that?
Rosie has just spent years showing America (or the world - is her show on in other countries?) how normal a lesbian is. By never acknowledging the rumors head-on, she forced us to either accept or reject her based on her talent, without sexuality being a factor.
I'm sorry. This seems rambly. I'll shut up now. Take care, Kitties.
by Jessie » Tue Feb 05, 2002 8:39 am
quote:
I'm sorry. This seems rambly. I'll shut up now. Take care, Kitties.[/B]
Not rambly at all ... made perfect sense, maybe because I agree, but it made perfect sense.
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by Kalita » Tue Feb 05, 2002 10:23 am
Everyone who watched Rosie over the years and liked her will now be faced with the fact she's part of a group that still hasn't recieved full acceptance in society.
If they can accept Rosie for who she is, this says great things for other gays, who might now be accepted more readily.
Rosie rocks!
by SKerryKlown » Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:40 am
by imperfectly » Mon Feb 11, 2002 6:22 pm
Looks like Rosie will scoop her own book and come out the week before in her magazine. And, she might be on 6 more W&G episodes.
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In the May edition of her magazine, Rosie, Rosie O’Donnell is coming out of the closet as a lesbian, reports mediaweek.com.
In O’Donnell’s autobiography, “Find Me,” due out April 23, she discusses her sexual orientation, Warner Books confirms. She will publish an excerpt in the magazine, which goes on sale April 16 and mentions in a letter from the editor that she is homosexual.
“It’s a little heavier than people would expect, I think ... ,” O’Donnell said in an interview shortly before the news about the
book’s contents broke.
O’Donnell, the mother of three adopted children, played a lesbian mother in the Jan. 30 episode of NBC’s gay-themed “Will & Grace.”
Her appearance was such a hit that she’s in talks to appear on six more episodes.
Rosie magazine, which marks its first anniversary in April, has been a forum for O’Donnell’s discussions of her physical and mental battles.
“I love that it deals with real people and real issues and doesn’t gloss everything over,” O’Donnell says. “We’re more the gritty
underbelly than the shiny veneer of a magazine.”
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by wiccie » Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:40 pm
OK, this has been a fairly pro-Rosie O thread, but I have some *major* fresh dish that doesn't paint her in a positive, gay-freindly light. Fasten your seat belts, cover the kids' eyes - here we go....
A little backstory: I'm a lesbian comic and I fully understand the pressure from all angles of whether or not to "come out" onstage, etc. I, so far, am completely open about being gay but I know several other gay comics who aren't, and in fact some of them cover by being actively homophobic (which disgusts me, but that's another topic).
I did a show last week with an "out" lesbian comedian, Shan, who just worked with Rosie on a GAY CRUISE, ie a ship full of 2,000 gay men.
Shan produced the "Out There" film and she's shooting a follow up wherein she films 10 gay comics on their jobs, etc.
Anywho, here Rosie was, booked to perform on a ship full of "British cigarettes", and she not *once* uttered the word "lesbian". Her GF was pretty much confined to their cabin the whole trip, they weren't seen together in public, and Rosie didn't talk about her at all. The "Duh" factor is that *everyone* on board knows she's gay, she's in a safe (relative to daytime TV) performance environment to dust off some of her old dyke-drama jokes (she did that material in her early days), but noooooo....Not a peep.
The only slight allusion to her sexuality, when pressed by Shan and other comics on the trip, was that "If the only reason you're going to buy my book is to see me come out, don't waste your money, because I don't".
One of the other comics, Mark, was so offended by Rosie's behavior that he ripped her apart one night in his show. Shan warned him after his early show *not* to pursue the "rip Rosie for not coming out" laugh-track, but Mark ripped into her again that night in his late set.
Appartently, he was sooo vicious the crowd kinda turned on him and was feeling sympathtic to Rosie...Until she performed the next night. Sweet, wholesome, all-American daytime-TV Rosie O ranted and cursed at Mark so intensely that she turned the crowd against her, and never quite got them back the rest of the cruise.
Shan says she has about 10 hours of bitch-Rosie footage, and will have a heck of a time trying to edit it down to the prime bits to use in her film (if she isn't threatened with a lawsuit, that is).
So, there ya have it - almost directly from the horsie's mouth. Please don't shoot the messenger, but after hearing Shan's tale, my respect for Rosie plummetted.
by shellybean » Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:51 pm
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MAGAZINE industry experts say Rosie O'Donnell could be imperiling the future of her Rosie magazine when she comes out of the closet as a lesbian in her autobiography, "Find Me," due in late April.
"There are plenty of readers out there in the heartland who aren't ready for it," predicted one publishing veteran.
Gruner+Jahr USA took a chance on O'Donnell last May, when moribund McCall's was converted into Rosie, to take advantage of O'Donnell's top-rated TV show and the younger, wealthier, hipper readers she could attract.
But the German parent company had no idea Rosie would be dropping her TV show and going public about her sexuality before a year went by.
"This is not a Rock Hudson situation. Is anyone going to be surprised?" mused Steve Cohn, editor in chief of Media Industry Newsletter. "Rosie has wisely come out one inch at a time. Most of her fans already know who she is."
"Anything could happen," said Helen Gurley Brown, who made Cosmopolitan into the most profitable women's magazine in history. Brown disputes the view that readers who don't identify with Rosie's lifestyle will drop their subscriptions.
"I'm not clairvoyant, but one might consider that homosexual women don't really have a mass market magazine to call their own," Brown said. "What if that community gets behind it? It's possible it could take right off."
Rosie's publicist, Cindi Berger, also scoffs at the idea of a homophobic backlash. "I give a lot more credit to humanity than that," said Berger. The glossy will hold onto its hetero housewives, she said, because "the magazine has a wide variety of articles that appeal to a wide variety of readers."
But Cohn pointed out, "The bigger question is what's going to happen [to the magazine] when her show goes off the air in June. Without all that exposure on TV, circulation is bound to suffer."
"And without her there on TV to humanize it, the other issues become more problematic," said one longtime publisher.
While Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey have enjoyed success in publishing, "this is the reason you don't see other celebrities editing," the source said. "There is a risk in personalizing."
Gruner+Jahr couldn't be reached, but Berger insisted, "the magazine will go on."
Village Voice columnist Michael Musto recently noted, "For years, I've critiqued Rosie's ambiguous single-mom act and dissed her claiming she wanted to protect her private life, while publicly detailing every burp and doodoo of her kids . . . Still, though she's belated - and selling a book - she's definitely beloved, so bravo!"
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Before bringing up the topic on "The View," BARBARA WALTERS called ROSIE O'DONNELL and asked if it was all right to discuss an item in the New York papers about Rosie's sexuality. This morning, Walters said Rosie is unconcerned if people talk about her. Rosie's sensitivity on the subject has to do with her adopted children. Florida, where she has a home, bans adoptions by gays across the board.
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wait, I'm really confused. Because like I posted before Rosie actually said on her show point blank that her book wasn't about her sex life or even about her. But I keep seeing magazine articles and clips on entertainment shows like ET from the time she actually said it but they're still saying that its an autobiographical book where she comes out. Is it, or isn't it?
shellybean, i think she does come out in her book but she doesn't dwell on her sexuality that much. more on her struggles in life i.e. how she dealt with her mom dying, her hitting big as a comedienne, and all that jazz. peace
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By Jeannie Williams, USA TODAY
"NEW YORK — As the media trips over itself wondering whether and when Rosie O'Donnell will "come out," the talk show host cut to the chase Monday during a raunchy comedy routine.
"I'm a dyke!" she said as part of her act at the Ovarian Cancer Research benefit at Carolines Comedy Club.
It has been widely speculated that O'Donnell will reveal she is a lesbian in her upcoming memoir, Find Me. The timing coincides with the end of her talk show May 22.
Once dubbed the "Queen of Nice" by Time magazine, O'Donnell started by saying, "I'm sick of being (expletive) nice. Fasten your seat belts — here we go."
She first tackled Barbara Walters' interview with Anne Heche, Ellen DeGeneres' former lover, who is now married and pregnant. "What the hell kind of train wreck was that?"
O'Donnell mimicked Walters' lisp. And wondered why Heche rambled on about being possessed. "She couldn't just say, 'I was a lesbian for two years, it didn't work out for me.'"
Said O'Donnell, "I don't know why people make such a big deal about the gay thing. ... People are confused, they're shocked, like this is a big revelation to somebody."
She also said that gay advocates have been on her case.
"'Oh, but you were lying,' the gay Nazis say. 'You said you liked Tom Cruise.' I said I wanted him to mow my lawn and bring me a lemonade. I never said I wanted (to perform a sex act on him)."
She also quipped maybe she would be "gay enough" if she did something unprintable to Angelina Jolie.
O'Donnell has taped an interview with Diane Sawyer to air as a two-hour show on ABC's PrimeTime Thursday on March 14, to talk chiefly about the case of two gay men in Florida who face having a foster child they raised removed from their home. State law won't let them adopt. O'Donnell also is a foster — and adoptive — mother.
She told the club audience of parenting an emotionally damaged 3-year-old girl. Then, "Come to find out, in order to adopt this child, I would have to perjure myself, would have to sign a document that says in the state of Florida that I am not bisexual or homosexual. The fact that I was unwilling to sign that document meant the child was removed from the house."
Before the show, O'Donnell told USA TODAY she chose to talk to Sawyer because she wanted an investigative piece on Florida's ban on gay adoption. She told Sawyer if that was done, "I would like to talk about my life and how (the case) pertains to me.""
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Michelangelo Signorile
Rosie's Endless Outing
If the journalistic definition of "outing" is reporting on an
individual's undisclosed homosexuality, then in the past six weeks Rosie O'
Donnell has been outed at the very least 10,800 times (that's the number
that comes up when you do a Google search of "Rosie O'Donnell and gay").
And that's not including the supermarket tabloids, where Rosie perhaps
holds the record for celebrity outings over the past several years. Rosie
had yet to say the words "I'm gay" herself on camera or in print - although
last week, at a benefit at Caroline's, she reportedly said onstage, "I'm a
dyke!" - but nonetheless we have been assured for weeks and weeks by CNN,
The New York Times, the Associated Press, Barbara Walters and everyone else
participating in the hype machine that it is absolutely true, and that
Rosie will soon say so to the world - promise!
Yes, she will do it in her magazine Rosie, she will do it in her
upcoming book Find Me, she will do it in a highly publicized Primetime
Thursday interview and she may do it on The Rosie O'Donnell Show. It's
true that Ellen DeGeneres was the first big TV star to jump into the
self-outing media whirl, but she just didn't have such a lucrative product
line - all she had was a bad sitcom - not to mention that Rosie has a
serious cause to champion (which, in p.r. terms, will blunt charges of
crassness and opportunism), as she'll be taking up the issue of lesbian and gay adoption, a personal issue for her as a mother. The love that dare not speak its
name, in that great American way, has been transformed into high-concept,
cross-promotional marketing brilliance.
That's progress, I guess. It's certainly true that with a
prominent spokesperson, activists trying to change laws that ban adoptions
by gay people will get a boost. From the standpoint of some lesbians and
gays - and certainly from that of fearful entertainment industry executives
- it was smart for Rosie to first establish her career, define herself as a
devoted mother and as one of America's favorite talk show hosts, then
announce that she is a lesbian later.
Still, it's hard not to be a bit cynical when discussing a woman
who waited until she was almost 40 years old and until after she grew tired
of doing her TV show - which she's packing in this year - to stop promoting
a lie. That may sound harsh, particularly since Rosie's people are trying
to spin the media the other way now, putting out the idea that this is all
not really a big deal, that Rosie's never really hidden her sexuality or
tried to appear heterosexual. But in fact, Rosie has long known that her
audience is Middle America - from day one she knew what to talk about on her show,
and what not to talk about.
If her being a lesbian has never been a big deal - and if she wasn't hiding anything - why not just say it, instead of offering the vagaries Rosie has offered in the past? Why not make references to it in
passing on your show? And why put out the idea that you're just like many
other single (and unhappily married) moms in Middle America who wish a big,
strong male movie star would come and sweep them off their feet? One of
the hallmarks of Rosie's show, which no doubt played well in Peoria, was
her supposed crush on Tom Cruise - though she didn't dare let on that she might have
crushes on famous women. Like Kathie Lee, she talked incessantly about her
children, but said nothing about her live-in mate and co-parent. Rosie
knew what Liberace and other famous occupants of the glass closet have
always known: there are plenty of people out there who so deeply do not
want to believe that their favorite star is queer that, unless you say the
words, they won't ever get it, your own glaring giveaways and the supermarket
tabloids notwithstanding.
So it's understandable, then, that some gay people think it's nice that Rosie is finally saying the words now that her show is ending - but still ask, What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high, while those same
teens' own moms were watching the show and while Rosie was spinning out
yarns about Tom Cruise?
Rosie already has some quips lined up to shoot down such criticism.
She reportedly wisecracked at the Caroline's benefit that "the gay Nazis"
have been on her case about her Cruise ruminations (and she now claims she
never meant she wanted to "blow" him - though for anyone who watched the
show, it certainly seemed she wanted that and more). But one thing even
Rosie can't deny or slough off with a joke is that if it weren't for the
"gay Nazis" - people like former Talk editor Maer Roshan (back when he was
an editor at New York), Voice columnist Michael Musto and others in the
media who've been critical of her subterfuge - Rosie probably wouldn't be
taking this step at all. In the past, the responses from her and her
people in fact showed that the criticism annoyed and embarrassed her. And
according to what some of her friends have said in the media, the critics
perhaps even made her feel a bit guilty, too. Surely Rosie realized that
the only way the critics - and the tabloid outings - would stop is if she
just came out.
So three cheers for the gay Nazis. And three cheers for Barbara
Walters, too, who has emerged in all of this as today's outing warrior
extraordinaire - she knows a ratings-grabber when she sees it - not to
mention as an even bigger prima donna than ever before. I didn't think
anything could top her interrogation of poor, doe-eyed Ricky Martin in
September of 2000: "You could say, as many artists have, 'Yes, I am gay,'
or 'No, I'm not.' I don't want to put you on the spot - but it's in your
power to do it." (Alas, Martin didn't crack.) But then, with the Rosie
coming-out affair, Walters outdid herself, as she and Diane Sawyer gave us
the greatest TV diva duel since Joan Collins and Linda Evans slugged it out
on Dynasty back in the 80s. Except, in a sign of the times, they weren't
fighting over a man - they were fighting over a lesbian.
Though they've both denied any animosity between them, Walters
reportedly was miffed that Sawyer got the Rosie coming-out interview. So,
the story goes, Walters picked up the phone, called up Rosie to get the
dirt and then, on The View weeks before Sawyer's Primetime Thursday Rosie
interview, Walters confirmed the rumors and announced Rosie's plans to take
up the adoption issue, stealing Sawyer's thunder.
There was a time not long ago when you couldn't get journalists to
report on gay public figures who were already out, let alone get them to
push the closeted ones to fess up. Now they're undermining one another to
be first with the homo scoop. That, I guess, is progress too.
Michelangelo Signorile can be reached at www.signorile.com.
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That said, she's human, and she gets to conduct her affairs any way she likes. If she's tired of being nice, that's her prerogative, but in terms of the public relations or overall impact of Rosie coming out, I'd just rather she not spoil it by reinforcing lots of stereotypes along the way.
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I read somewhere that the producers for W&G wanted to change the script and make Rosie's character straight, and she insisted that they don't. I have to say I'm really glad that she's coming out. I think that she can have a good effect on a lot of people's perceptions, especially when it comes to gay people as parents.
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wouldn't it be nice if she could come out without it seeming like "openly gay" and "nice" are contradictory terms?
Your point is well-taken...but "nice" in this context means, I think, not so much "caring, kind, compassionate" but "conforming to the values of middle America and the Religious Right". Which no one who is openly gay can possibly be.
And this is from the NY Press article transcribed above: "What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high...?" What always grates my cheese about stuff like this is, and pardon my French, it's her. fucking. life. Just because she is gay does not mean she is obligated to be a role model to "struggling gay teens". Yeah, it would be cool if she had been. But she chose not to, and none of us has even remotely the understanding of her personal life necessary to forming a judgement about this choice.
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World Entertainment News Network
03.06.02
Chat-show queen ROSIE O'DONNELL lost custody of her foster child MIA because American authorities discovered she's gay.
O'Donnell has only publicly declared her sexuality - despite it being rumoured for some time - but, according to American tabloid THE STAR, authorities found an adoptive couple for the 4-year-old in January (02) prompted by the revelation.
A source says, "She was shattered beyond words that she wasn't allowed to adopt Mia.
"All she wanted was to share her love with a needy child and just because she's gay,the law won't let her. It's appalling."
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It's annoying that The Star lumps it as "American authorities"; it's specifically Florida (and probably some other bass-ackward states) that has the asinine policy and is presumably at fault in this case. Some states are not so ignorant.
Ever since the semi-outing and mention that Florida has such homophobic adoption/foster policies I've been worried about what would happen to her children living in Florida (not sure if that's full-time, part-time, or what); we've heard stories of adoptions being nullified (or potentially so) because the adoptive parent is gay. But I think I read that her adoptions were handled through New York, so even if she lives in Florida with them I don't think Flordia has any jurisdiction to invalidate the adoptions (it'd probably become a federal test case if they tried). But foster care is another matter, and if Mia was through Florida's foster care system they certainly have jurisdiction to remove her and place her elsewhere, as foster care is an on-going temporary situation. Hopefully the national attention will showcase the absurdity of removing her just because Rosie is now (more?) publicly-known to be gay and will help to change the ignorant Florida policies.
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And this is from the NY Press article transcribed above: "What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high...?" What always grates my cheese about stuff like this is, and pardon my French, it's her. fucking. life. Just because she is gay does not mean she is obligated to be a role model to "struggling gay teens". Yeah, it would be cool if she had been. But she chose not to, and none of us has even remotely the understanding of her personal life necessary to forming a judgement about this choice.
dazey, i'm totally with ya. on that same note, today on her show elaine stritch was telling a story and in it make a comment that secrets can be the death of you, then pointed to ro and said "and this one agrees with me there" and smiled. and rosie then remarked "yeah, and ya know its funny but sometimes you dont realize something was a secret until you say it outloud and all of a sudden there's this reaction, and you stop and go 'oh' ".
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Rosie O'Donnell
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MAGAZINE industry experts say Rosie O'Donnell could be imperiling the future of her Rosie magazine when she comes out of the closet as a lesbian in her autobiography, "Find Me," due in late April.
"There are plenty of readers out there in the heartland who aren't ready for it," predicted one publishing veteran.
Gruner+Jahr USA took a chance on O'Donnell last May, when moribund McCall's was converted into Rosie, to take advantage of O'Donnell's top-rated TV show and the younger, wealthier, hipper readers she could attract.
But the German parent company had no idea Rosie would be dropping her TV show and going public about her sexuality before a year went by.
"This is not a Rock Hudson situation. Is anyone going to be surprised?" mused Steve Cohn, editor in chief of Media Industry Newsletter. "Rosie has wisely come out one inch at a time. Most of her fans already know who she is."
"Anything could happen," said Helen Gurley Brown, who made Cosmopolitan into the most profitable women's magazine in history. Brown disputes the view that readers who don't identify with Rosie's lifestyle will drop their subscriptions.
"I'm not clairvoyant, but one might consider that homosexual women don't really have a mass market magazine to call their own," Brown said. "What if that community gets behind it? It's possible it could take right off."
Rosie's publicist, Cindi Berger, also scoffs at the idea of a homophobic backlash. "I give a lot more credit to humanity than that," said Berger. The glossy will hold onto its hetero housewives, she said, because "the magazine has a wide variety of articles that appeal to a wide variety of readers."
But Cohn pointed out, "The bigger question is what's going to happen [to the magazine] when her show goes off the air in June. Without all that exposure on TV, circulation is bound to suffer."
"And without her there on TV to humanize it, the other issues become more problematic," said one longtime publisher.
While Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey have enjoyed success in publishing, "this is the reason you don't see other celebrities editing," the source said. "There is a risk in personalizing."
Gruner+Jahr couldn't be reached, but Berger insisted, "the magazine will go on."
Village Voice columnist Michael Musto recently noted, "For years, I've critiqued Rosie's ambiguous single-mom act and dissed her claiming she wanted to protect her private life, while publicly detailing every burp and doodoo of her kids . . . Still, though she's belated - and selling a book - she's definitely beloved, so bravo!"
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posted February 14, 2002 11:09 Here is an article I just read on PageSix today(which is if i am correct from the New York Post).
Rosie O'Donnell
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Dave Allocca / DMI
MAGAZINE industry experts say Rosie O'Donnell could be imperiling the future of her Rosie magazine when she comes out of the closet as a lesbian in her autobiography, "Find Me," due in late April.
"There are plenty of readers out there in the heartland who aren't ready for it," predicted one publishing veteran.
Gruner+Jahr USA took a chance on O'Donnell last May, when moribund McCall's was converted into Rosie, to take advantage of O'Donnell's top-rated TV show and the younger, wealthier, hipper readers she could attract.
But the German parent company had no idea Rosie would be dropping her TV show and going public about her sexuality before a year went by.
"This is not a Rock Hudson situation. Is anyone going to be surprised?" mused Steve Cohn, editor in chief of Media Industry Newsletter. "Rosie has wisely come out one inch at a time. Most of her fans already know who she is."
"Anything could happen," said Helen Gurley Brown, who made Cosmopolitan into the most profitable women's magazine in history. Brown disputes the view that readers who don't identify with Rosie's lifestyle will drop their subscriptions.
"I'm not clairvoyant, but one might consider that homosexual women don't really have a mass market magazine to call their own," Brown said. "What if that community gets behind it? It's possible it could take right off."
Rosie's publicist, Cindi Berger, also scoffs at the idea of a homophobic backlash. "I give a lot more credit to humanity than that," said Berger. The glossy will hold onto its hetero housewives, she said, because "the magazine has a wide variety of articles that appeal to a wide variety of readers."
But Cohn pointed out, "The bigger question is what's going to happen [to the magazine] when her show goes off the air in June. Without all that exposure on TV, circulation is bound to suffer."
"And without her there on TV to humanize it, the other issues become more problematic," said one longtime publisher.
While Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey have enjoyed success in publishing, "this is the reason you don't see other celebrities editing," the source said. "There is a risk in personalizing."
Gruner+Jahr couldn't be reached, but Berger insisted, "the magazine will go on."
Village Voice columnist Michael Musto recently noted, "For years, I've critiqued Rosie's ambiguous single-mom act and dissed her claiming she wanted to protect her private life, while publicly detailing every burp and doodoo of her kids . . . Still, though she's belated - and selling a book - she's definitely beloved, so bravo!"
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posted February 14, 2002 12:18 I've always wondered about Rosie... she seems to talk about everyone elses romance but hers... I think it is high time that she came out.... Although I do see the predicerment that she is in... coming out, esp in hollywood is a tough thing to do... maybe she will start a trend!------------------
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Before bringing up the topic on "The View," BARBARA WALTERS called ROSIE O'DONNELL and asked if it was all right to discuss an item in the New York papers about Rosie's sexuality. This morning, Walters said Rosie is unconcerned if people talk about her. Rosie's sensitivity on the subject has to do with her adopted children. Florida, where she has a home, bans adoptions by gays across the board.
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posted February 14, 2002 19:40 I was watching Entertainment Tonight, and they said that on The View this morning, Barbara Walters outed Rosie, here's what the ET website says about it...
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Before bringing up the topic on "The View," BARBARA WALTERS called ROSIE O'DONNELL and asked if it was all right to discuss an item in the New York papers about Rosie's sexuality. This morning, Walters said Rosie is unconcerned if people talk about her. Rosie's sensitivity on the subject has to do with her adopted children. Florida, where she has a home, bans adoptions by gays across the board.
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posted February 15, 2002 04:19 wait, I'm really confused. Because like I posted before Rosie actually said on her show point blank that her book wasn't about her sex life or even about her. But I keep seeing magazine articles and clips on entertainment shows like ET from the time she actually said it but they're still saying that its an autobiographical book where she comes out. Is it, or isn't it?IP: LoggedeekibooSassy Eggs quote:
Originally posted by shellybean:
wait, I'm really confused. Because like I posted before Rosie actually said on her show point blank that her book wasn't about her sex life or even about her. But I keep seeing magazine articles and clips on entertainment shows like ET from the time she actually said it but they're still saying that its an autobiographical book where she comes out. Is it, or isn't it?
shellybean, i think she does come out in her book but she doesn't dwell on her sexuality that much. more on her struggles in life i.e. how she dealt with her mom dying, her hitting big as a comedienne, and all that jazz. peace
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Originally posted by shellybean:
wait, I'm really confused. Because like I posted before Rosie actually said on her show point blank that her book wasn't about her sex life or even about her. But I keep seeing magazine articles and clips on entertainment shows like ET from the time she actually said it but they're still saying that its an autobiographical book where she comes out. Is it, or isn't it?
shellybean, i think she does come out in her book but she doesn't dwell on her sexuality that much. more on her struggles in life i.e. how she dealt with her mom dying, her hitting big as a comedienne, and all that jazz. peace
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Rosie, coy on TV, 'comes out' on stage
By Jeannie Williams, USA TODAY
"NEW YORK — As the media trips over itself wondering whether and when Rosie O'Donnell will "come out," the talk show host cut to the chase Monday during a raunchy comedy routine.
"I'm a dyke!" she said as part of her act at the Ovarian Cancer Research benefit at Carolines Comedy Club.
It has been widely speculated that O'Donnell will reveal she is a lesbian in her upcoming memoir, Find Me. The timing coincides with the end of her talk show May 22.
Once dubbed the "Queen of Nice" by Time magazine, O'Donnell started by saying, "I'm sick of being (expletive) nice. Fasten your seat belts — here we go."
She first tackled Barbara Walters' interview with Anne Heche, Ellen DeGeneres' former lover, who is now married and pregnant. "What the hell kind of train wreck was that?"
O'Donnell mimicked Walters' lisp. And wondered why Heche rambled on about being possessed. "She couldn't just say, 'I was a lesbian for two years, it didn't work out for me.'"
Said O'Donnell, "I don't know why people make such a big deal about the gay thing. ... People are confused, they're shocked, like this is a big revelation to somebody."
She also said that gay advocates have been on her case.
"'Oh, but you were lying,' the gay Nazis say. 'You said you liked Tom Cruise.' I said I wanted him to mow my lawn and bring me a lemonade. I never said I wanted (to perform a sex act on him)."
She also quipped maybe she would be "gay enough" if she did something unprintable to Angelina Jolie.
O'Donnell has taped an interview with Diane Sawyer to air as a two-hour show on ABC's PrimeTime Thursday on March 14, to talk chiefly about the case of two gay men in Florida who face having a foster child they raised removed from their home. State law won't let them adopt. O'Donnell also is a foster — and adoptive — mother.
She told the club audience of parenting an emotionally damaged 3-year-old girl. Then, "Come to find out, in order to adopt this child, I would have to perjure myself, would have to sign a document that says in the state of Florida that I am not bisexual or homosexual. The fact that I was unwilling to sign that document meant the child was removed from the house."
Before the show, O'Donnell told USA TODAY she chose to talk to Sawyer because she wanted an investigative piece on Florida's ban on gay adoption. She told Sawyer if that was done, "I would like to talk about my life and how (the case) pertains to me.""
Contributing: Ann Oldenburg
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posted February 28, 2002 04:05 Well looks like she finally did it!!!Rosie, coy on TV, 'comes out' on stage
By Jeannie Williams, USA TODAY
"NEW YORK — As the media trips over itself wondering whether and when Rosie O'Donnell will "come out," the talk show host cut to the chase Monday during a raunchy comedy routine.
"I'm a dyke!" she said as part of her act at the Ovarian Cancer Research benefit at Carolines Comedy Club.
It has been widely speculated that O'Donnell will reveal she is a lesbian in her upcoming memoir, Find Me. The timing coincides with the end of her talk show May 22.
Once dubbed the "Queen of Nice" by Time magazine, O'Donnell started by saying, "I'm sick of being (expletive) nice. Fasten your seat belts — here we go."
She first tackled Barbara Walters' interview with Anne Heche, Ellen DeGeneres' former lover, who is now married and pregnant. "What the hell kind of train wreck was that?"
O'Donnell mimicked Walters' lisp. And wondered why Heche rambled on about being possessed. "She couldn't just say, 'I was a lesbian for two years, it didn't work out for me.'"
Said O'Donnell, "I don't know why people make such a big deal about the gay thing. ... People are confused, they're shocked, like this is a big revelation to somebody."
She also said that gay advocates have been on her case.
"'Oh, but you were lying,' the gay Nazis say. 'You said you liked Tom Cruise.' I said I wanted him to mow my lawn and bring me a lemonade. I never said I wanted (to perform a sex act on him)."
She also quipped maybe she would be "gay enough" if she did something unprintable to Angelina Jolie.
O'Donnell has taped an interview with Diane Sawyer to air as a two-hour show on ABC's PrimeTime Thursday on March 14, to talk chiefly about the case of two gay men in Florida who face having a foster child they raised removed from their home. State law won't let them adopt. O'Donnell also is a foster — and adoptive — mother.
She told the club audience of parenting an emotionally damaged 3-year-old girl. Then, "Come to find out, in order to adopt this child, I would have to perjure myself, would have to sign a document that says in the state of Florida that I am not bisexual or homosexual. The fact that I was unwilling to sign that document meant the child was removed from the house."
Before the show, O'Donnell told USA TODAY she chose to talk to Sawyer because she wanted an investigative piece on Florida's ban on gay adoption. She told Sawyer if that was done, "I would like to talk about my life and how (the case) pertains to me.""
Contributing: Ann Oldenburg
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posted February 28, 2002 12:21 Heh, just saw that in the news too. Woot!IP: LoggedDazeyGay Now! Good on her.
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posted February 28, 2002 17:11 Well damn. I never cared for her show--"Queen of Nice" about sums up why--but this sounds like a Rosie I wouldn't mind seeing.Good on her.
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The Gist
Michelangelo Signorile
Rosie's Endless Outing
If the journalistic definition of "outing" is reporting on an
individual's undisclosed homosexuality, then in the past six weeks Rosie O'
Donnell has been outed at the very least 10,800 times (that's the number
that comes up when you do a Google search of "Rosie O'Donnell and gay").
And that's not including the supermarket tabloids, where Rosie perhaps
holds the record for celebrity outings over the past several years. Rosie
had yet to say the words "I'm gay" herself on camera or in print - although
last week, at a benefit at Caroline's, she reportedly said onstage, "I'm a
dyke!" - but nonetheless we have been assured for weeks and weeks by CNN,
The New York Times, the Associated Press, Barbara Walters and everyone else
participating in the hype machine that it is absolutely true, and that
Rosie will soon say so to the world - promise!
Yes, she will do it in her magazine Rosie, she will do it in her
upcoming book Find Me, she will do it in a highly publicized Primetime
Thursday interview and she may do it on The Rosie O'Donnell Show. It's
true that Ellen DeGeneres was the first big TV star to jump into the
self-outing media whirl, but she just didn't have such a lucrative product
line - all she had was a bad sitcom - not to mention that Rosie has a
serious cause to champion (which, in p.r. terms, will blunt charges of
crassness and opportunism), as she'll be taking up the issue of lesbian and gay adoption, a personal issue for her as a mother. The love that dare not speak its
name, in that great American way, has been transformed into high-concept,
cross-promotional marketing brilliance.
That's progress, I guess. It's certainly true that with a
prominent spokesperson, activists trying to change laws that ban adoptions
by gay people will get a boost. From the standpoint of some lesbians and
gays - and certainly from that of fearful entertainment industry executives
- it was smart for Rosie to first establish her career, define herself as a
devoted mother and as one of America's favorite talk show hosts, then
announce that she is a lesbian later.
Still, it's hard not to be a bit cynical when discussing a woman
who waited until she was almost 40 years old and until after she grew tired
of doing her TV show - which she's packing in this year - to stop promoting
a lie. That may sound harsh, particularly since Rosie's people are trying
to spin the media the other way now, putting out the idea that this is all
not really a big deal, that Rosie's never really hidden her sexuality or
tried to appear heterosexual. But in fact, Rosie has long known that her
audience is Middle America - from day one she knew what to talk about on her show,
and what not to talk about.
If her being a lesbian has never been a big deal - and if she wasn't hiding anything - why not just say it, instead of offering the vagaries Rosie has offered in the past? Why not make references to it in
passing on your show? And why put out the idea that you're just like many
other single (and unhappily married) moms in Middle America who wish a big,
strong male movie star would come and sweep them off their feet? One of
the hallmarks of Rosie's show, which no doubt played well in Peoria, was
her supposed crush on Tom Cruise - though she didn't dare let on that she might have
crushes on famous women. Like Kathie Lee, she talked incessantly about her
children, but said nothing about her live-in mate and co-parent. Rosie
knew what Liberace and other famous occupants of the glass closet have
always known: there are plenty of people out there who so deeply do not
want to believe that their favorite star is queer that, unless you say the
words, they won't ever get it, your own glaring giveaways and the supermarket
tabloids notwithstanding.
So it's understandable, then, that some gay people think it's nice that Rosie is finally saying the words now that her show is ending - but still ask, What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high, while those same
teens' own moms were watching the show and while Rosie was spinning out
yarns about Tom Cruise?
Rosie already has some quips lined up to shoot down such criticism.
She reportedly wisecracked at the Caroline's benefit that "the gay Nazis"
have been on her case about her Cruise ruminations (and she now claims she
never meant she wanted to "blow" him - though for anyone who watched the
show, it certainly seemed she wanted that and more). But one thing even
Rosie can't deny or slough off with a joke is that if it weren't for the
"gay Nazis" - people like former Talk editor Maer Roshan (back when he was
an editor at New York), Voice columnist Michael Musto and others in the
media who've been critical of her subterfuge - Rosie probably wouldn't be
taking this step at all. In the past, the responses from her and her
people in fact showed that the criticism annoyed and embarrassed her. And
according to what some of her friends have said in the media, the critics
perhaps even made her feel a bit guilty, too. Surely Rosie realized that
the only way the critics - and the tabloid outings - would stop is if she
just came out.
So three cheers for the gay Nazis. And three cheers for Barbara
Walters, too, who has emerged in all of this as today's outing warrior
extraordinaire - she knows a ratings-grabber when she sees it - not to
mention as an even bigger prima donna than ever before. I didn't think
anything could top her interrogation of poor, doe-eyed Ricky Martin in
September of 2000: "You could say, as many artists have, 'Yes, I am gay,'
or 'No, I'm not.' I don't want to put you on the spot - but it's in your
power to do it." (Alas, Martin didn't crack.) But then, with the Rosie
coming-out affair, Walters outdid herself, as she and Diane Sawyer gave us
the greatest TV diva duel since Joan Collins and Linda Evans slugged it out
on Dynasty back in the 80s. Except, in a sign of the times, they weren't
fighting over a man - they were fighting over a lesbian.
Though they've both denied any animosity between them, Walters
reportedly was miffed that Sawyer got the Rosie coming-out interview. So,
the story goes, Walters picked up the phone, called up Rosie to get the
dirt and then, on The View weeks before Sawyer's Primetime Thursday Rosie
interview, Walters confirmed the rumors and announced Rosie's plans to take
up the adoption issue, stealing Sawyer's thunder.
There was a time not long ago when you couldn't get journalists to
report on gay public figures who were already out, let alone get them to
push the closeted ones to fess up. Now they're undermining one another to
be first with the homo scoop. That, I guess, is progress too.
Michelangelo Signorile can be reached at www.signorile.com.
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posted March 06, 2002 01:54 Here's an article from the New York Press with an interesting take on the timing of her "outing" and also a very little bit on Hollywood gays and lesbians:The Gist
Michelangelo Signorile
Rosie's Endless Outing
If the journalistic definition of "outing" is reporting on an
individual's undisclosed homosexuality, then in the past six weeks Rosie O'
Donnell has been outed at the very least 10,800 times (that's the number
that comes up when you do a Google search of "Rosie O'Donnell and gay").
And that's not including the supermarket tabloids, where Rosie perhaps
holds the record for celebrity outings over the past several years. Rosie
had yet to say the words "I'm gay" herself on camera or in print - although
last week, at a benefit at Caroline's, she reportedly said onstage, "I'm a
dyke!" - but nonetheless we have been assured for weeks and weeks by CNN,
The New York Times, the Associated Press, Barbara Walters and everyone else
participating in the hype machine that it is absolutely true, and that
Rosie will soon say so to the world - promise!
Yes, she will do it in her magazine Rosie, she will do it in her
upcoming book Find Me, she will do it in a highly publicized Primetime
Thursday interview and she may do it on The Rosie O'Donnell Show. It's
true that Ellen DeGeneres was the first big TV star to jump into the
self-outing media whirl, but she just didn't have such a lucrative product
line - all she had was a bad sitcom - not to mention that Rosie has a
serious cause to champion (which, in p.r. terms, will blunt charges of
crassness and opportunism), as she'll be taking up the issue of lesbian and gay adoption, a personal issue for her as a mother. The love that dare not speak its
name, in that great American way, has been transformed into high-concept,
cross-promotional marketing brilliance.
That's progress, I guess. It's certainly true that with a
prominent spokesperson, activists trying to change laws that ban adoptions
by gay people will get a boost. From the standpoint of some lesbians and
gays - and certainly from that of fearful entertainment industry executives
- it was smart for Rosie to first establish her career, define herself as a
devoted mother and as one of America's favorite talk show hosts, then
announce that she is a lesbian later.
Still, it's hard not to be a bit cynical when discussing a woman
who waited until she was almost 40 years old and until after she grew tired
of doing her TV show - which she's packing in this year - to stop promoting
a lie. That may sound harsh, particularly since Rosie's people are trying
to spin the media the other way now, putting out the idea that this is all
not really a big deal, that Rosie's never really hidden her sexuality or
tried to appear heterosexual. But in fact, Rosie has long known that her
audience is Middle America - from day one she knew what to talk about on her show,
and what not to talk about.
If her being a lesbian has never been a big deal - and if she wasn't hiding anything - why not just say it, instead of offering the vagaries Rosie has offered in the past? Why not make references to it in
passing on your show? And why put out the idea that you're just like many
other single (and unhappily married) moms in Middle America who wish a big,
strong male movie star would come and sweep them off their feet? One of
the hallmarks of Rosie's show, which no doubt played well in Peoria, was
her supposed crush on Tom Cruise - though she didn't dare let on that she might have
crushes on famous women. Like Kathie Lee, she talked incessantly about her
children, but said nothing about her live-in mate and co-parent. Rosie
knew what Liberace and other famous occupants of the glass closet have
always known: there are plenty of people out there who so deeply do not
want to believe that their favorite star is queer that, unless you say the
words, they won't ever get it, your own glaring giveaways and the supermarket
tabloids notwithstanding.
So it's understandable, then, that some gay people think it's nice that Rosie is finally saying the words now that her show is ending - but still ask, What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high, while those same
teens' own moms were watching the show and while Rosie was spinning out
yarns about Tom Cruise?
Rosie already has some quips lined up to shoot down such criticism.
She reportedly wisecracked at the Caroline's benefit that "the gay Nazis"
have been on her case about her Cruise ruminations (and she now claims she
never meant she wanted to "blow" him - though for anyone who watched the
show, it certainly seemed she wanted that and more). But one thing even
Rosie can't deny or slough off with a joke is that if it weren't for the
"gay Nazis" - people like former Talk editor Maer Roshan (back when he was
an editor at New York), Voice columnist Michael Musto and others in the
media who've been critical of her subterfuge - Rosie probably wouldn't be
taking this step at all. In the past, the responses from her and her
people in fact showed that the criticism annoyed and embarrassed her. And
according to what some of her friends have said in the media, the critics
perhaps even made her feel a bit guilty, too. Surely Rosie realized that
the only way the critics - and the tabloid outings - would stop is if she
just came out.
So three cheers for the gay Nazis. And three cheers for Barbara
Walters, too, who has emerged in all of this as today's outing warrior
extraordinaire - she knows a ratings-grabber when she sees it - not to
mention as an even bigger prima donna than ever before. I didn't think
anything could top her interrogation of poor, doe-eyed Ricky Martin in
September of 2000: "You could say, as many artists have, 'Yes, I am gay,'
or 'No, I'm not.' I don't want to put you on the spot - but it's in your
power to do it." (Alas, Martin didn't crack.) But then, with the Rosie
coming-out affair, Walters outdid herself, as she and Diane Sawyer gave us
the greatest TV diva duel since Joan Collins and Linda Evans slugged it out
on Dynasty back in the 80s. Except, in a sign of the times, they weren't
fighting over a man - they were fighting over a lesbian.
Though they've both denied any animosity between them, Walters
reportedly was miffed that Sawyer got the Rosie coming-out interview. So,
the story goes, Walters picked up the phone, called up Rosie to get the
dirt and then, on The View weeks before Sawyer's Primetime Thursday Rosie
interview, Walters confirmed the rumors and announced Rosie's plans to take
up the adoption issue, stealing Sawyer's thunder.
There was a time not long ago when you couldn't get journalists to
report on gay public figures who were already out, let alone get them to
push the closeted ones to fess up. Now they're undermining one another to
be first with the homo scoop. That, I guess, is progress too.
Michelangelo Signorile can be reached at www.signorile.com.
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IP: LoggedSiWangMuDoll's Eye Crystal That said, she's human, and she gets to conduct her affairs any way she likes. If she's tired of being nice, that's her prerogative, but in terms of the public relations or overall impact of Rosie coming out, I'd just rather she not spoil it by reinforcing lots of stereotypes along the way.
But anyway, good for her!
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posted March 06, 2002 02:43 I think this is definitely a great thing-- Rosie's coming out, I mean, in terms of her image as a mother and a respected figure for middle class America especially. There's just one thing--wouldn't it be nice if she could come out without it seeming like "openly gay" and "nice" are contradictory terms? Coming out at the show by saying "I'm tired of being nice" and then making sexual references, etc... this can only lead to people who might condemn her for her orientation additionally disapproving of her conduct. What I'm trying to say is that it feels something like the announcement we're getting is "I'm not squeaky-clean Rosie, I'm a dirty lesbian." I feel it would just have more impact if it was "I'm the same mostly-squeaky-clean person you've all come to love, but I'm a lesbian, too!"That said, she's human, and she gets to conduct her affairs any way she likes. If she's tired of being nice, that's her prerogative, but in terms of the public relations or overall impact of Rosie coming out, I'd just rather she not spoil it by reinforcing lots of stereotypes along the way.
But anyway, good for her!
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"Tara: I do not know in other things concerning everyone, but, the chicken is loved."
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Originally posted by ArtemisEcstasy:
I read somewhere that the producers for W&G wanted to change the script and make Rosie's character straight, and she insisted that they don't. I have to say I'm really glad that she's coming out. I think that she can have a good effect on a lot of people's perceptions, especially when it comes to gay people as parents.
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Originally posted by ArtemisEcstasy:
I read somewhere that the producers for W&G wanted to change the script and make Rosie's character straight, and she insisted that they don't. I have to say I'm really glad that she's coming out. I think that she can have a good effect on a lot of people's perceptions, especially when it comes to gay people as parents.
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quote:
Originally posted by SiWangMu:
wouldn't it be nice if she could come out without it seeming like "openly gay" and "nice" are contradictory terms?
Your point is well-taken...but "nice" in this context means, I think, not so much "caring, kind, compassionate" but "conforming to the values of middle America and the Religious Right". Which no one who is openly gay can possibly be.
And this is from the NY Press article transcribed above: "What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high...?" What always grates my cheese about stuff like this is, and pardon my French, it's her. fucking. life. Just because she is gay does not mean she is obligated to be a role model to "struggling gay teens". Yeah, it would be cool if she had been. But she chose not to, and none of us has even remotely the understanding of her personal life necessary to forming a judgement about this choice.
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posted March 06, 2002 19:05quote:
Originally posted by SiWangMu:
wouldn't it be nice if she could come out without it seeming like "openly gay" and "nice" are contradictory terms?
Your point is well-taken...but "nice" in this context means, I think, not so much "caring, kind, compassionate" but "conforming to the values of middle America and the Religious Right". Which no one who is openly gay can possibly be.
And this is from the NY Press article transcribed above: "What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high...?" What always grates my cheese about stuff like this is, and pardon my French, it's her. fucking. life. Just because she is gay does not mean she is obligated to be a role model to "struggling gay teens". Yeah, it would be cool if she had been. But she chose not to, and none of us has even remotely the understanding of her personal life necessary to forming a judgement about this choice.
The Star: Rosie Loses Foster Child Because She's Gay
World Entertainment News Network
03.06.02
Chat-show queen ROSIE O'DONNELL lost custody of her foster child MIA because American authorities discovered she's gay.
O'Donnell has only publicly declared her sexuality - despite it being rumoured for some time - but, according to American tabloid THE STAR, authorities found an adoptive couple for the 4-year-old in January (02) prompted by the revelation.
A source says, "She was shattered beyond words that she wasn't allowed to adopt Mia.
"All she wanted was to share her love with a needy child and just because she's gay,the law won't let her. It's appalling."
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posted March 07, 2002 11:02 Ok, this sounds crappy.. This is from a tabloid the star, but that doesnt mean its not true.
The Star: Rosie Loses Foster Child Because She's Gay
World Entertainment News Network
03.06.02
Chat-show queen ROSIE O'DONNELL lost custody of her foster child MIA because American authorities discovered she's gay.
O'Donnell has only publicly declared her sexuality - despite it being rumoured for some time - but, according to American tabloid THE STAR, authorities found an adoptive couple for the 4-year-old in January (02) prompted by the revelation.
A source says, "She was shattered beyond words that she wasn't allowed to adopt Mia.
"All she wanted was to share her love with a needy child and just because she's gay,the law won't let her. It's appalling."
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posted March 07, 2002 14:44 Even though I take the Star with a grain of salt, I think the adoption part is partly true. I've read the reason Rosie gave Diane Swayer the interview is because Diane agreed to talk about changing adoption laws for gays in Florida (at this time gay people can't adopt there). It's suppossed to be a two-part interview where one part will have a disscussion about changing Florida law (there is to be an interview with two gay men trying to adopt), with Rosie's opinion on the topic. The second part of the interview is where I think she will discuss her personal life and finally admit to everyone she is a lesbian.IP: LoggedCipherCool Monster Fighter It's annoying that The Star lumps it as "American authorities"; it's specifically Florida (and probably some other bass-ackward states) that has the asinine policy and is presumably at fault in this case. Some states are not so ignorant.
Ever since the semi-outing and mention that Florida has such homophobic adoption/foster policies I've been worried about what would happen to her children living in Florida (not sure if that's full-time, part-time, or what); we've heard stories of adoptions being nullified (or potentially so) because the adoptive parent is gay. But I think I read that her adoptions were handled through New York, so even if she lives in Florida with them I don't think Flordia has any jurisdiction to invalidate the adoptions (it'd probably become a federal test case if they tried). But foster care is another matter, and if Mia was through Florida's foster care system they certainly have jurisdiction to remove her and place her elsewhere, as foster care is an on-going temporary situation. Hopefully the national attention will showcase the absurdity of removing her just because Rosie is now (more?) publicly-known to be gay and will help to change the ignorant Florida policies.
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posted March 07, 2002 19:41 (People, please don't use really long unbroken lines of --- (etc) as separators. A line about half as long as Artemisia used would probably suffice and would not push my browser into widening the whole thread page because it refuses to wrap unbroken words (no whitespace) onto the next line. Not everyone uses full-screen IE browser windows, and separator lines like that really don't have to go all the way across--especially if the by-line above it is much shorter.)It's annoying that The Star lumps it as "American authorities"; it's specifically Florida (and probably some other bass-ackward states) that has the asinine policy and is presumably at fault in this case. Some states are not so ignorant.
Ever since the semi-outing and mention that Florida has such homophobic adoption/foster policies I've been worried about what would happen to her children living in Florida (not sure if that's full-time, part-time, or what); we've heard stories of adoptions being nullified (or potentially so) because the adoptive parent is gay. But I think I read that her adoptions were handled through New York, so even if she lives in Florida with them I don't think Flordia has any jurisdiction to invalidate the adoptions (it'd probably become a federal test case if they tried). But foster care is another matter, and if Mia was through Florida's foster care system they certainly have jurisdiction to remove her and place her elsewhere, as foster care is an on-going temporary situation. Hopefully the national attention will showcase the absurdity of removing her just because Rosie is now (more?) publicly-known to be gay and will help to change the ignorant Florida policies.
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posted March 08, 2002 16:46 Just to let anyone who is interested the new People Magazine (March 18 edition), has Rosie on the cover with a smaller picture of her and her partner Kelli Carpenter. The title is "Rosie's Brave Step", basically talking about how happy and in love she is with Kelly, and talks about her decision to come-out.IP: LoggedtheatremouseFloating Rose quote:
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And this is from the NY Press article transcribed above: "What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high...?" What always grates my cheese about stuff like this is, and pardon my French, it's her. fucking. life. Just because she is gay does not mean she is obligated to be a role model to "struggling gay teens". Yeah, it would be cool if she had been. But she chose not to, and none of us has even remotely the understanding of her personal life necessary to forming a judgement about this choice.
dazey, i'm totally with ya. on that same note, today on her show elaine stritch was telling a story and in it make a comment that secrets can be the death of you, then pointed to ro and said "and this one agrees with me there" and smiled. and rosie then remarked "yeah, and ya know its funny but sometimes you dont realize something was a secret until you say it outloud and all of a sudden there's this reaction, and you stop and go 'oh' ".
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And this is from the NY Press article transcribed above: "What about all those struggling gay teens who could have
benefited during the years that her show was riding high...?" What always grates my cheese about stuff like this is, and pardon my French, it's her. fucking. life. Just because she is gay does not mean she is obligated to be a role model to "struggling gay teens". Yeah, it would be cool if she had been. But she chose not to, and none of us has even remotely the understanding of her personal life necessary to forming a judgement about this choice.
dazey, i'm totally with ya. on that same note, today on her show elaine stritch was telling a story and in it make a comment that secrets can be the death of you, then pointed to ro and said "and this one agrees with me there" and smiled. and rosie then remarked "yeah, and ya know its funny but sometimes you dont realize something was a secret until you say it outloud and all of a sudden there's this reaction, and you stop and go 'oh' ".
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posted March 08, 2002 21:45 question, did anyone see anything on tv yet with Rosie actually talking about coming out? because I want to hear her talking about it but all I've gotten were quotes and stuff. And isn't she going to do an interview for dateline or something?IP: LoggedVampNo1Doll's Eye Crystal
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posted March 08, 2002 22:05 The interview is with Diane Sawyer on Prime Time Live, and the interview airs on March 14.
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posted March 08, 2002 23:46 This weeks US magazine and next weeks People have cover stories and interviews with friends and family of Rosie and Kelli. IP: LoggedEyes Without A FaceSassy Eggs Other stories that might interest the kittens are also present on that page.
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posted March 14, 2002 12:35 Ms. O'Donnell just spoke on CNN.Other stories that might interest the kittens are also present on that page.
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posted March 14, 2002 12:42 Thanks for the link EWAF. I couldn't remember when her interview with Diane Sawyer was and was worried I had missed it. Tonight, Primetime, 9:00-11:00 EST.by Artemisia » Thu Feb 14, 2002 9:09 am
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MAGAZINE industry experts say Rosie O'Donnell could be imperiling the future of her Rosie magazine when she comes out of the closet as a lesbian in her autobiography, "Find Me," due in late April.
"There are plenty of readers out there in the heartland who aren't ready for it," predicted one publishing veteran.
Gruner+Jahr USA took a chance on O'Donnell last May, when moribund McCall's was converted into Rosie, to take advantage of O'Donnell's top-rated TV show and the younger, wealthier, hipper readers she could attract.
But the German parent company had no idea Rosie would be dropping her TV show and going public about her sexuality before a year went by.
"This is not a Rock Hudson situation. Is anyone going to be surprised?" mused Steve Cohn, editor in chief of Media Industry Newsletter. "Rosie has wisely come out one inch at a time. Most of her fans already know who she is."
"Anything could happen," said Helen Gurley Brown, who made Cosmopolitan into the most profitable women's magazine in history. Brown disputes the view that readers who don't identify with Rosie's lifestyle will drop their subscriptions.
"I'm not clairvoyant, but one might consider that homosexual women don't really have a mass market magazine to call their own," Brown said. "What if that community gets behind it? It's possible it could take right off."
Rosie's publicist, Cindi Berger, also scoffs at the idea of a homophobic backlash. "I give a lot more credit to humanity than that," said Berger. The glossy will hold onto its hetero housewives, she said, because "the magazine has a wide variety of articles that appeal to a wide variety of readers."
But Cohn pointed out, "The bigger question is what's going to happen [to the magazine] when her show goes off the air in June. Without all that exposure on TV, circulation is bound to suffer."
"And without her there on TV to humanize it, the other issues become more problematic," said one longtime publisher.
While Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey have enjoyed success in publishing, "this is the reason you don't see other celebrities editing," the source said. "There is a risk in personalizing."
Gruner+Jahr couldn't be reached, but Berger insisted, "the magazine will go on."
Village Voice columnist Michael Musto recently noted, "For years, I've critiqued Rosie's ambiguous single-mom act and dissed her claiming she wanted to protect her private life, while publicly detailing every burp and doodoo of her kids . . . Still, though she's belated - and selling a book - she's definitely beloved, so bravo!"
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Before bringing up the topic on "The View," BARBARA WALTERS called ROSIE O'DONNELL and asked if it was all right to discuss an item in the New York papers about Rosie's sexuality. This morning, Walters said Rosie is unconcerned if people talk about her. Rosie's sensitivity on the subject has to do with her adopted children. Florida, where she has a home, bans adoptions by gays across the board.
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by eekiboo » Sat Feb 16, 2002 1:24 am
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wait, I'm really confused. Because like I posted before Rosie actually said on her show point blank that her book wasn't about her sex life or even about her. But I keep seeing magazine articles and clips on entertainment shows like ET from the time she actually said it but they're still saying that its an autobiographical book where she comes out. Is it, or isn't it?
shellybean, i think she does come out in her book but she doesn't dwell on her sexuality that much. more on her struggles in life i.e. how she dealt with her mom dying, her hitting big as a comedienne, and all that jazz. peace
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by Kiwiccan » Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:05 am
Rosie, coy on TV, 'comes out' on stage
By Jeannie Williams, USA TODAY
"NEW YORK — As the media trips over itself wondering whether and when Rosie O'Donnell will "come out," the talk show host cut to the chase Monday during a raunchy comedy routine.
"I'm a dyke!" she said as part of her act at the Ovarian Cancer Research benefit at Carolines Comedy Club.
It has been widely speculated that O'Donnell will reveal she is a lesbian in her upcoming memoir, Find Me. The timing coincides with the end of her talk show May 22.
Once dubbed the "Queen of Nice" by Time magazine, O'Donnell started by saying, "I'm sick of being (expletive) nice. Fasten your seat belts — here we go."
She first tackled Barbara Walters' interview with Anne Heche, Ellen DeGeneres' former lover, who is now married and pregnant. "What the hell kind of train wreck was that?"
O'Donnell mimicked Walters' lisp. And wondered why Heche rambled on about being possessed. "She couldn't just say, 'I was a lesbian for two years, it didn't work out for me.'"
Said O'Donnell, "I don't know why people make such a big deal about the gay thing. ... People are confused, they're shocked, like this is a big revelation to somebody."
She also said that gay advocates have been on her case.
"'Oh, but you were lying,' the gay Nazis say. 'You said you liked Tom Cruise.' I said I wanted him to mow my lawn and bring me a lemonade. I never said I wanted (to perform a sex act on him)."
She also quipped maybe she would be "gay enough" if she did something unprintable to Angelina Jolie.
O'Donnell has taped an interview with Diane Sawyer to air as a two-hour show on ABC's PrimeTime Thursday on March 14, to talk chiefly about the case of two gay men in Florida who face having a foster child they raised removed from their home. State law won't let them adopt. O'Donnell also is a foster — and adoptive — mother.
She told the club audience of parenting an emotionally damaged 3-year-old girl. Then, "Come to find out, in order to adopt this child, I would have to perjure myself, would have to sign a document that says in the state of Florida that I am not bisexual or homosexual. The fact that I was unwilling to sign that document meant the child was removed from the house."
Before the show, O'Donnell told USA TODAY she chose to talk to Sawyer because she wanted an investigative piece on Florida's ban on gay adoption. She told Sawyer if that was done, "I would like to talk about my life and how (the case) pertains to me.""
Contributing: Ann Oldenburg
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