Think Mrs. Whedon knows about it?
by Beautiful Tara's Girl » Sat Mar 03, 2001 4:36 pm
by Catwoman » Sat Mar 03, 2001 4:41 pm
by Roxton » Sat Mar 03, 2001 5:16 pm
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by xita » Sat Mar 03, 2001 7:00 pm
When Xander blames the crappy wallmanship in Willow's room, Willow replies, "Yeah, you can hear everything next door." I am pervert because all I could think was, Willow must give this a lot of thought because of what Tara and her get up to in that room.
by april » Sat Mar 03, 2001 8:14 pm
anyone up for moving next door to them with me, and bringing a tape recorder?
by jellytot » Sat Mar 03, 2001 9:00 pm
Man, could this show possible have anymore code words for "the sex"?
-- jellytot :0)
by Chance » Sat Mar 03, 2001 9:35 pm
Honestly, I just wanted to put in a few words about ER and BUFFY, and Willow and Tara. Alright, I occassionally watch ER. Every once in awhile I catch it, and try to make sense of it. On Thursday, I caught ER. At first, when it was over, I was a little shell shocked. But, when I sat down and thought about it, I wanted to congratulate the writers. For the first time in television history, there was a show that accurately portrayed the agony of being in the position that Kerri and her friend are in. I have much sympathy for both of them. But Kerri has a valid reason to be nervous -- it's hard to be gay, out, and successful in a "more professional" field today. Furthermore, whereas some of the fans of the show might be quite comfortable with their sexualities, bear in mind this is Kerri's first time. I would doubt she's even sure of her own feelings yet. That's pretty much all I wanted to add about ER.
On to Buffy... I have so much respect for Joss Whedon and his creation. I have been a fan since episode one, and I have never deviated. Willow and Tara is one of the most incredibly sweet romances on television -- whatever the sexuality. More importantly, they are real. The road to romance for them has been rocky, but worth the wait. I'm so glad I get the privilage of watching them every Wednesday on my television.
Well, that's it from me. Thanks, if you got all the way to here.
-Chance.
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by msgreeneyes » Sun Mar 04, 2001 1:31 am
by april » Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:42 am
if you have a minute, drop by the Introduction Thread where you can introduce yourself and learn more about us! there are some way cool kitties here, as well as some crazy stalkers and mean moderators. it's best to learn which is which.
oh and hey guys, our buddy sarah kuhn already has her review of "the body" up at scifi ign! we all know how much she adores willow/tara and amber (a bit *too* much, if you ask me), so click on the link to head over there and see what she has to say!
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by BlackLab » Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:57 am
Another thing to focus on during repeat viewings is vocal tone. I've watched the kissing scene over and over just to hear Willow's "Tara" and Tara's "Shhh. Darling" (or: "Shhh, darling" - I won't quibble). And notice the tightness in Anya's voice when she says "understand" in "But I don't understand.", before going on about the stupidity of mortality. That's the moment when Willow sees that Anya's hurting, not being tactless.
To respond to an off-topic bit earlier: I didn't know that a gun-owning, vegetarian, smoking, lesbian MD was a stereotype! The things I learn here! Xita, you're missing some great stuff by not watching CSI. Jorja Fox - what a name - has been getting more screen time lately.
by tommo » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:02 am
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I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those.
by Hugin » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:03 am
-len
by Roxton » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:12 am
by xita » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:47 am
by Roxton » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:17 am
by xita » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:33 am
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Tara: Shh.
Willow: Tara...
Tara: Shh. Darling...
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by eekiboo » Sun Mar 04, 2001 6:36 pm
look at her blouse in the Christmas dinner scene. her top has a low-cut V-collar which you can somehow see the edge of her right breast! ok, if one can see that, does that mean she doesn't wear a bra? OMG, i'm thinkin' nekkid fan fic (which i began reading thanks to the mocha and xfiles stories...) which would probably be easier for a quickie with W, ya know w/o the hassle? heh.heh. coz i also noticed in IWMTLY, her blouse had the same V-collar neckline but it wasn't as low as this one's.
peace
by wiccie » Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:26 pm
by tvsurfer » Mon Mar 05, 2001 11:33 am
Buffy,
the Vampire Slayer
"The Body"
***SPOILER WARNING***
Reviewed by Christine I. Speakman
"Mom."
"Mom."
"mom."
"mommy."
Joyce Summers, Buffy's mom, is dead. Not death by Glory, nor by vampire, nor by any monster; just death by natural causes. An aneurysm in the brain.
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" is a fictional television show about a young woman killing vampires and other monsters. Each week her and her friends, the Scooby Gang, get into trouble hunting down that week's evil; escapism at its best. Every so often we get terrific filming, wonderful acting, terrific writing, exciting fights, scenes that move you to any emotion you want to name. And every so often we get outright brilliant episodes, "Hush," comes to straight to my mind.
This week's episode, "The Body," was more.
The first thing I noticed was the silence. The scenes were too quiet, but not an absolute quiet. These scenes became startling real when normal sounds, the zipper closing the body bag, were heard. A rib cracking during CPR. The silent flat line of the EKG machine, just the line no sound. Joyce's clothes being cut from her dead body. Hearing only the snapping of the bloody surgical gloves being removed after the autopsy. Watching the sheet being placed over Joyce's face. Buffy and Dawn looking up from the floor at Joyce's now uncovered face. Haunting.
Pain was made tangible: Dawn's cries and collapse as Buffy breaks the news of their mother's death; Willow's need to keep changing, to find the top Joyce liked. Anya's verbal stumbles, not understanding what she's required to do, the whys of death, the hurt. Xander's need to blame something, fight something, do anything. Not cheap tear-jerking scenes but honest grief.
Sarah Michelle Gellar's Buffy was incredible. From last week's closing, and this week's opening scene of simply saying "mommy" to her sudden calmness to her shock of referring to her mom as "the body." Commanding simplicity.
I'm not familiar with the behind the scene terminology; however, I am well aware that without those talents and mastery, this wouldn't have been the episode it was. Together everyone working on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" has raised the bar of excellence.
Just one more little thing, did anyone else noticed that we didn't actually see Dawn touch Joyce. Hmmmm
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by april » Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:01 pm
the mighty big tv review of "the body" is up. and they actually manage to say some funny things while recapping such a horribly sad episode. observe:
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Willow mentions that they need to hit the road, and in the background Xander agrees while Willow, without fanfare, silently mouths "I love you" at Tara. And THANK GOD that they finally seem to be treating their relationship with the subtlety it deserves. With the way things have been going this season, I had worried that Willow would someday say to Tara, "You know, I love you [turning to the camera] because I am GAY! You heard me, world! I dive the muff. I'm GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY!"
hee! is it so wrong that i would actually sort of enjoy hearing her make a declaration like that? tongue-in-cheek, of course. or tongue in something, anyway. ahem.
enjoy the review!
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by judy » Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:17 pm
I also talked to a good friend of mine tonight who caught the episode last week. She was saying how much the kisses moved her because they spoke to the depth and intimacy of Willow and Tara's relationship.
I have cool friends.
by Dazey » Tue Mar 06, 2001 9:24 pm
Joss: brilliant but mean.
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by judy » Tue Mar 06, 2001 9:51 pm
by Warduke » Wed Mar 07, 2001 5:07 am
by tommo » Wed Mar 07, 2001 7:10 am
I want the world to know I've seen it.
But most of all, I wanted my gf to know I'd seen it.
I was upset the most by Anya. Her voice cracking when she said 'understand' and then that huge speech she launched into as though it was the first time she'd ever seen death. The irony of her situation didn't escape me, but her innocence and raw emotion was what touched me.
I hate seeing Willow cry. I can only thank God that she's got Tara there to comfort her.
Sigh.....
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I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those.
by BBOvenGuy » Wed Mar 07, 2001 9:51 am
quote:
THANK GOD that they finally seem to be treating their relationship with the subtlety it deserves. With the way things have been going this season, I had worried that Willow would someday say to Tara, "You know, I love you (turning to the camera) because I am GAY! You heard me, world! I dive the muff. I'm GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY!"
Okay, yes this made me laugh, but it also made me shake my head and sigh. I think Joss deserves this year's "You just can't win" award. First people complain that Willow and Tara aren't highlighted enough, that their relationship isn't given the respect and exposure it's due, etc., and then when Joss finally starts having Willow be open about who she is he gets slammed for that, too.
Grrr... Have I mentioned how much critics bug me?
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by Anyalvr » Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:18 pm
The thing it seems that every other week
Joss is putting in some sort of reference
or another - 'preaching to the choir baby',
'gay, lesbian-type lovers' 'hello, gay now',
'sometimes it makes you feel like giving up on men altogether', 'I wish they'd show me the stuff they do together' --- did I get them all? While it's nice to see Willow affirm that she is gay and isn't ashamed of Tara (and vice versa), I believe it is getting a little repetitive. It seems more and more often that Willow and Tara's gayness is being affirmed rather than recognizing their relationship as just like any other.
I mean, the equivalent of it would be if Buffy had stood up every episode and declared
"Riley is my boyfriend and I love him!" Well, not quite. But you get what I mean. I'd rather have W/T stuff in an episode be a private conversation or a romantic moment or something of that sort rather than another WE ARE GAY! reference.
Of course there are several reasons for this.
It's partially a way to inject humor into the episode, partially because of the censors, but msot of all, I think it's Joss thumbing his nose at the shippers and other people in massive denial. The thing is, I really don't care for what the shippers think, and it's clear by now that to a lot of them there's nothing Joss can do to dissuade them.
Okay, so what is my point in all of this? I agree with the reviewer, basically! We know Tara and Willow are two women in a lesbian relationship and that they're not ashamed of that. I don't need to be told that over and over.
Okay, rant over. I mean, these little moments are nice but enough's enough already. JMO.
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by BBOvenGuy » Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:45 pm
I think the turning point may actually have been "I Was Made To Love You," because that was when we didn't get the obvious declarations and instead got things like "Honey, in case you didn't hear me the first six thousand times, no more teleportation spells!" and the business with Willow checking out a girl. Sure, they were blantant declarations done mostly for laughs, but they were of a sort that would have worked with a heterosexual couple, too (and in the case of Willow checking out April, has been done with heterosexual couples since the dawn of time).
I suspect that Joss has turned a corner with W/T now and what we'll see is more of what we've seen in the past two episodes. Things like "Hello, gay now!" were good and necessary at the point where the show and the characters were at the time, but I don't think Joss will go back to them now.
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by xita » Wed Mar 07, 2001 5:36 pm
by Dazey » Wed Mar 07, 2001 7:58 pm
I think Willow's in-your-face gayness is a response to this, and I like it. I like that Willow is out and proud. OTOH, I don't want Willow or Tara to become defined by their sexuality, and it irks me a bit when I see them referred to as "Buffy's lesbian friends." Nobody's calling Xander and Anya "Buffy's straight friends." Subtlety is a virtue...but I really don't think that even one gay reference per ep is necessarily being unsubtle. Not as long as het lovin' continues to play such a major role in the show.
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