General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 8

[tommo]

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Originally posted by Rane:
Plus, if willow does go all dark magicky it’s been mentioned before what Sam said. Plus, how far can willow go without the three fold?

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Yeah, remember what Sam (Riley's wife) said about the shamans. They did so much black magic and then they were just...gone.

SAM: Hey Willow. I'm sorry, I think I really ... stepped in it in there. (Willow not looking at her) You know, back in the jungle ... we had not one, but two hard-core shamans working for us ... they were working the dark magicks, and ... got addicted. And now they're gone. (Willow turns to look at her) Gone ... as in ... there's nothing left. I've never met anyone with enough strength to quit before.

It's a thin line that Willow is walking. And it makes me fear for her safety.

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

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[The Rose]

I turned on my computer, and the thread had reached six pages. I knew something had happened, but I was not prepared for this.

I'm with everyone else. I am going to stop watching the show if these spoilers are true.
It makes no sense to kill Tara and is very lazy writing.

I am going to go with BBOvenGuy on this. I am going to wait to see what happens. I REALLY hope these spoilers are fake.

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Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.

Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

Tara: Nobody messes with my girl!

[theatremouse]

wow. i'm really hugely fantastikally surprised, not only that i just read what i did, but that i actually really feel exactly like what i feel like when i hear about a death. that same exact real feeling when i hear the words "this person died". and it's real, but amber's still alive, that one goodness in the world. but wow. i'm all in that shock place, and very still and very heavy in the head, and sort of hit by that fricking train in the afforementioned tunnell..... whoa. i cant tell if i'm more surprised at what i've read, or more surprised at my reaction. but wow.

[Willow-4-Tara]

Why does Joss have to kill off Tara? She has been a major chracter and symbol in the storyline of Willow's life. What will happen to Willow after her rampage and torture of Warren?

She will be sooo sad and in pain. I hope she keeps Warren alive for hours while she tortures him...

Sorry to say that but I feel really pissed off that Tara dies and Willow goes evil

Earlier I posted that rumours on a spoiler thread in january or early feb and on forums 4 fans and emailed it to Tensai at spoilerslayer. But it was confirmed false. Which I was really happy about, but know they are gonna kill of Tara and make Willow evil. I am so sad right now. I feel your pains kittens and we can all get each other through it. It makes me sick

ERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

B

Also, I think I will do a comic and story dedicated to Tara, and that she will ive on!!!!!

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Glory - "This whole beating you up thing is valuable time of my life that I'm never gonna get back!"

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[JB]

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Originally posted by theatremouse:
wow. i'm really hugely fantastikally surprised, not only that i just read what i did, but that i actually really feel exactly like what i feel like when i hear about a death. that same exact real feeling when i hear the words "this person died". and it's real, but amber's still alive, that one goodness in the world. but wow. i'm all in that shock place, and very still and very heavy in the head, and sort of hit by that fricking train in the afforementioned tunnell..... whoa. i cant tell if i'm more surprised at what i've read, or more surprised at my reaction. but wow.

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I find myself feeling exactly the same. Gutted !

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[Willow-4-Tara]

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Originally posted by JB:
I find myself feeling exactly the same. Gutted !

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Me too

And probably all the other kittens

B

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Willow - "I just want something thats just mine"
Tara - "I am you know, yours"quote:

[brendcat]

First off, thanks for the spoilage Angel X. To put it here first says a lot about where you are coming from.

Oh boy, could the news be any worse?

I really, really hope that this is a fake spoiler and all will be well by the time we see episodes 21 and 22. However, I think it may be true. I'm not totally up with how things work in the biz, but I am sure it would be impossible to keep this secret. I would imagine Angel X knows even more than she can post or otherwise her cover and subterfuge would be totally blown. So the first thing she told us is that Tara does not survive the season. Kind of rules out the last two episodes putting things right. So, what a big, awful, sad shame. The show has gobbled up and spit out the whole lesbian cliche at us. We have seen a lot of cliche and obvious storylines this season. I know that Joss has said he is still in charge of Buffy, but how can it be so with so much going on with his other projects and Firefly. For him to choose not to direct or write the season finale shows to me a big shifting of his priorities. Anyway, I think it is good we are prepared for the worst - while still have a hopeful shred of light that things will not really turn out this horribly, dismally bad (not just for kittens, but for faithful fans of the show everywhere)and betray everything we have grown to believe in regarding Buffy.

So, I hope when they said the theme for this years show was "grow up" they weren't really trying to tell me to stop obsessing over a TV show and worry more about real life. Did I ask for such a slap in the face?

[Ari]

I just keep coming back to this logic:

There has to be a way to save Willow.

The only really effective way to do that is to not have her go bad in the first place.

The only way to stop her from going bad is to not kill Tara.

I really can easily see an ending to the season that takes it back maybe to whatever happens in nineteen or something changes things. So then at the end of the season everything seems okay again, but we as the audience have this ominous undercurrent because we know at that point how bad it could get and the badness that everyone is capable of lurking just under the happy Scooby exterior.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Ari

[BytrSuite]

Okay, this is the first time I'm reading this, and to be fair, I only read the first 4 pages or so. I was trying to stay away from spoilers, but then I read Lisa's post in her fic thread.

Dammit. This just hurts so much. And I hate that they would do this. I practically never cry and now I'm having a hard time stopping.

Ugh.

[amberslave]

I'm not sure if anyone else has lurked around the other boards, but the bad news is slowly emerging with surprising results. Many posters, no matter who they ship, are recieving this news with complete shock, anger and tears, and many send their love and best wishes to all at the kitten board.
I was ready for a fight, to take out my frustration on others that ridiculed our pain... but so far I have no takers.
It seems that, if these spoilers are true, it is not only the kittens that are boycotting the show....

[supermus]

Here's my conspiracy theory on how Tara is okay:
Way back at the beginning of the year, Herc started circulating rumors that Tara would die and WIllow would be evil. Meanwhile, Joss and ME were considering ways to distract us from where the season is going. THeir solution: fan the flame of the BSD rumor by spreading it to reliable sources. Now that it's that time of the year, it's time for final jeopardy, where we're the ones in jeopardy. ME sends out a shooting script to be leaked out and "prove" that Tara is the BSD, basing the scenario on Hercs rumors early on. It would seem to have a huge amount of credibility. Everyone in spoiledville would think Tara would die and COMPLETELY miss the true conclusion. But then me and my band of meddling brain cells figure out their plan and comfort a spoilerville in turmoil. How does it sound?

[Epicurus]

supermus,
Your theroy... sounds like a bullseye.

[dreadpirateemily]

I may be in denial and then again, I may be thinking that somebody saw PART of a script and reported to us exactly what they saw. That's all good. But it's not all true!

What we are lacking here is context. If all of the evil gooey stuff re: Anya and Spike, etc. plus Tara dying does actually appear on a stroy synopsis or a script draft, then we are missing an essential part of the story.

My feeling is that it does have to do with Anya. My immediate thought was that Anya would NOT become a vengeance demon again. Instead, she would make a wish to a V.D. friend and that would alter the buffy-verse.

What if Anya decides that if Xander wasn't so afraid of marriage, then he would not have left her. This is true. So what if she makes a wish that everyone would stop being so afraid and go ahead and do what they wanted to do!

This would lead to everyone acting on their desires unafraid of consequence. Anya would sleep with Spike, Xander would approach Anya about getting married, blah blah blah, and Warren would try to kill Buffy! He wouldn't care, he would just blast thru the house with a gun and maybe mistake Tara for Buffy (from the back) or more likely, Warren is threatening Willow (he knows her) and Tara uses magic to disguise herself as Buffy thinking that would SCARE Warren. But it won't because of Anya's wish.

Willow would then torture Warren because she would no longer be afraid of using dark magic.

Anya would realize everything that's happened, and find a way to reverse the wish or to destroy the power source of D'Hofrryn or whomever.

There. All better now.

this is dreadpirateemily. prepare to deny.

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"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning."
Catherine Allard

[BBOvenGuy]

Actually, supermus, that sounds a lot like what I've been thinking. I'm not sure it was planned out that far in advance, but I can totally see someone at Mutant Enemy surfing the net and writing down all the hottest rumors, and then see the writing staff get together to story-break a bogus episode that included all those rumors. If you imagine them giving each writer one act to write, it could all be done in a couple of days.

Of course, we can't prove any of that... but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

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[lurker1.0]

I only got two words to say about all this sudden badness..

Not True.

Why not? Two reasons.

1. It's cheap. It doesn't flow. And it betrays the story, the characters and the show. If this were an excuse to end the series now it wouldn't work because no show has ever ended like this. EVER. If it's an excuse to end the season without resolving all the shit the writers created so far it wouldn't work because no current fans of the series would want to tune in next season when all the characters have gone evil and done things that are completely unforgivable.

2. It's exactly the kind of sick sadistic thing Joss would think of to dupe the fans.

[Owl]

if this goes down, Tara's going to have to get "Victim" tatooed on her ass.
Let's see, she's been attacked by her family, the gentlemen, the Jonathan Monster, Oz, Glory, Willow -
and just when she's starting to get some real confidence, starting to stand up for herself - she dies?
Put me in the skeptical category. How many times can you attack the same character?

[one-in-ten]

Hi I'm usually a lurker on this board and have enjoyed getting much of my spoilage here. I just thought I'd write this once to say: CRAP! I wasn't sure if this would happen but I was always afraid it would. After seeing these two girls grow separately and together, have a relationship that (to me) represented a real relationship - love, communication and being there for each other - I am truly saddened. Of all of the lesbian relationships on tv (of which there certainly aren't many) they were my mainstay. They were real, they seemed long lasting and they weren't just there for the ratings during one season. They showed me true love. In an industry where relationships between two actors on screen can be hit and miss Alyson and Amber were amzing. The chemistry these actresses had together was...magic! What a possible loss! I am disappointed and sad. I am disappointed that the one show that seems to push the barriers has now backed away from the plate and may go back to the tired old outdated storyline of breaking up the lesbians (especially through death). I am sad that once again tv land does not represent me or my friends. My hope that there might be a long running healthy lesbian couple in a major series is gone. If this truly happens I thank Xita, Tommo and Hugin for their words of encouragement and love. I am mostly alone in my devotion to these girls in my home but when I read this I feel like I have understanding and support. Thanks guys!

Sorry for the rambling.
Back to my lurking...

kath

[WiccansIllusion]

The only question I have is why do they have to kill off all my favourite TV charachter's at the end of each season?
track record

"Sisters" the mother dies in the last episode
"Xena" Enough said there, she gets beheaded.
And now Tara?????Can't anyone just ride off into the sunset anymore??

[FrenchRose]

Maybe I'm just also hopping into the DenialWagon, but, that storyline actually happening (please no) would make this season really heavy with pure, simple loss.

First, we 'lose' Giles, then Tara and then Willow - because let's face it, DarkMagicky Will is as good as dead. I thought *last* year was all about loss, and this one about how difficult it is to *live*.

Also, as a from-day-one watcher, I agree that there's nothing new happening here - see Passion, Becoming, Tough Love and many more. I'm not saying it makes it impossible, just... disappointing.

Nothing new to add really, just... just.

I love Tara. Very much. I just need to say that a lot right now. Hope you guys don't mind. And I love Will, I have for over 6 years now. I just pray that somehow these two special girls get through all this, and I'm thankful for this place and for you guys, you rule, because you understand. I love you guys, roll on group hugs.*g*

FrenchRose, probably not making much sense right now.

[David Falkayn]

Greetings, new poster here...

First, having read this thread, I would like to add my voice to those thanking Michelle for the sensitive and tactful way she broke the news here.

Second, I have to agree with those who think that this is probably part of a misinformation campaign on the part of Joss and ME. If all the other stuff involving Xander, Anya, Buffy, and Spike are true, it just seems way over the top--I'm wondering how they could possibly work all that into a 48 minute episode. From all that I've read regarding how Joss feels about Tara and Willow and their relationship, I cannot see him or the other writers taking this particular course--something just doesn't sound right here. From what I've gathered, Joss has always been very sensitive towards the gay-lesbian community as regards Willow and Tara. I cannot see him taking such a drastic 180 turn as this current info seems to indicate.

It's hard to be patient, especially when you hear bad news about characters you've grown to love and care about so much as Tara and Willow. Speaking as someone who is mostly an Anya fan, but who is also a Willow and Tara fan, I know where you're coming from--the BSD rumors about Anya have been swirling too since the latest episode. The thing is, all we an do here is wait and hope and be patient. Until I hear otherwise, for now I'm just going to follow the advise of the British color sergeant who says to his men who are nervously staring down their rifles at the enemy hordes swarming down on them (Clipped English voice) "Wait for it..."

[Kel]

i logged back on to re-read the first page then i got to the second page...... what can i say, other than right now i hurt more than i thought i could. my heart is broken just by reading it.... i don't think i can knowingly put myself through the pain of watching my favorite character die. I will no longer watch the show if this happens.

to have willow suffer so long for the mistakes she made, only for Tara to be taken away AGAIN, forever, is just wrong.

i'm hoping it will be proved FALSE... but right now i'm really scared and upset that joss of all people would do this to us.

WHY????

[SeanGaffney]

Someone at the Bronze apparently just posted that Amber's signed on for next season (the usual not-a-regular, 16-18 eps).

Now I admit I have no idea if this source is as legit as AngelX or the others, but I felt with the current mood of the board, it wouldn't hurt to post.

Mmmmm... pie.

--SG
--there I go mentioning pie again. Blueberry pie.

[Hyo-Shin]

Maybe it could be a darker time travel story. Maybe "DarkMagicky Will" is the one who sacrifice herself to save Tara and Willow of the second timeline.

Just an idea...

[Kendahl897]

What I don't understand is that hate Wanda as we may, if you take what she said about the BSD being someone that sacrifices herself to save another, it just doesn't jibe with what we have heard about Tara being accidently shot and then being found by Willow. What kind of "sacrifice" is that? And could someone PLEASE post what it is that Joss said about lesbian death cliches....Also, didn't Wanda say that you had a better shot of getting hit by lightning than you do of Tara being killed?

[Aylandi]

Hello everyone,

Well, I've been lurking at this board for eight months and have never before been tempted to post. What terrible news! :( My partner is a BtVS fan as well, but is ardently against spoilers and refuses to let me tell him what I've found out. So I'm going to use this post as an outlet for the thoughts I can't tell him about at the moment.

The one thing I have always loved about BtVS was its ability to surprise even the most dedicated of its fans. We spoiled folk, for obvious reasons, don't recognize this aspect of the show as much as other viewers. But the show's dedication to taking storylines in unexpected and often truly brave directions is what got me watching in the first place -- and frankly, I think it is that commitment to the unpredictable that led to our beloved W/T pairing in the first place.

I don't think Tara's death is in any way a positive step for the show, especially in what has seemed like such a disjointed season. But there's a possibility that her death doesn't mean we've seen the last of her. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion, as some clearly already have, that Willow may one day resurrect Tara. It does seem to me that flashback/spirit guide-type scenes will be needed in order to keep Willow's "evil," should that be the direction the writers choose to take Will in, in check. After all, Will-as-Grief-Crazed-Avenging-Angel, perhaps haunted by visions of Tara, will be, IMHO, a much more dramatically potent character/adversary/antagonist than Will-the-Evil-Magic-Addicted-Witch.

For those who think this turn of events to be a negative lesbian cliché -- I think one could also read these events as demonstrating the "reality" of the love Willow and Tara shared. You find strength in the people you love, you go a little crazy when they die. Or at least, that's what happens in Hollywood. It would have been more unfair to the relationship, I think, to have Tara just disappear into UC Sunnydale, or move away, or die with less spectacular consequences. This way, whatever happens, the show is saying -- this relationship mattered, there was something there. Of course, it depends on execution, but I really think this doesn't have to be understood so negatively. To me, what ME might be saying here is that the kind of sweeping, tragic, passionate romantic love that has been reserved in the Western tradition for Catherine-and-Heathcliffs, Romeo-and-Juliets, and Rhett-and-Scarletts, can, is and should be bestowed on Willow-and-Taras too.

Just trying to find a light at the end of the tunnel, please don't hurt me if you disagree,

ayl.

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[murph]

I've never felt the need to post a reply before. I've always been content just to browse the boards and keep up with what all the shippers are thinking. I couldn't believe it when I read about all the badness reportedly on its way. This is my (and everyone else's) worst nightmare for the show.I can't believe they would really do this after developing Tara's character and opening so many doors for her and Willow. Now I get what my sister's always going on about - she's an A/B shipper and therefore is destined for a world of misery. I never took her totally seriously until now. I guess that's karma comin to get me.
Please, please would some kind person out there who's in the know assure me that this is all a horrible lie! I'm desperate!

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W:"Was there a camel?"
T:"There was the front of a camel - a half camel" Cue adorable grin from Amber

[lurker1.0]

Anyone have any idea about what's going around at the Bronze about a Confirmed spoiler that Anya is the BSD?

Seems like there's alot of misleading back and forth information going around today. And I think we all should take a step back and look at everything carefully, because somethings just aren't fitting together right.

[Lindy]

[Robin]

Just in case JW, the writers or someone from ME will take a look at this thread:

1. If those spoilers are true, they betray everything which has been said before concerning the nature of the Willow/Tara relationship. Right now you're fulfilling all the dreams of the homophobes! Congratulations!
2. The story is lame, because it sounds like a remake of "Tough Love". Congratulations!
3. I have watched Buffy from the moment on it was aired in Germany. And I was able to get friends of mine from university to watch the show too. Some of them bought the DVD's and some (myself too) bought the VHS, which was a pretty expansive pleasure (everyone of us paid about 800 DM, I think that's about 400 US-Dollar) Well, we won't do that from 6th season on! Congratulations!
4. The same for the books we bought. Congratulations!
4. Maybe some of you should visit the german boards: there you would get to see that most of the members are not too fond of the 6th season so far, but with this BSD news some more are already annoyed. Less viewer - less money from the german station. Congratulations!

It was nice as long as it lasted.

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[Kendahl897]

Dear LURKER1.0, COULD YOU POST THE WEB SITE WHERE i CAN READ THIS "CONFIRMED SPOLIER" ABOUT ANYA BEING THE BSD. BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE ALOT OF SENSE IF WHOEVER DIES, SCARIFICES HERSELF TO SAVE THE ONE SHE LOVES..