General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 9

[EricAlan69]

What happened?! I go away for two weeks..... two little, innocuous weeks, and, apparently, they're filled with Noxon and Fury, signifying Something. Aaargh!

Nothing was happening on the spoiler front when I left, and I come blithely back to my happy Kitten home expecting more of the same, and then WHAM!, I get THWAPPED with this. This is not nice.

Okay, I *really* need a hug now. Anyone? Please?

Love and witchiechix (f'ever, dammit!),

e.

[Dr.G]

Epicurus, would you mind terribly if I were to start stalking you around the board saying "what Epicurus said"?

Seriously, I love your posts, please continue...

[Enigmatic]

*Holds her arms out and offer EricAlan a big kitten hug*

[KJ_Chicago]

big {{{hugs}}} e.

[Nat]

These death rumours are really really making my stomach do somersalts i can tell you!
I agree that this whole Tara death is so not going to happen but if someone is going to die then im guessi hat it would be someone relitively expendable to the show which excludes almost everyone!
I'm sure everything is going to work out fine plus the Amber Article in the Buffy UK magazine was very very positive Amber said that she thinks that Willowt & Tara will get back together i dont think she'd say that unless she kinda knew they mite!Plus she seemed amused about the whole character death rumours gong round & i'm sure that if it was gojng to be tara then she wouldn't of made a joke of it, it's not her style to do something like that!
So i'm definitley not going to buy this tara death rumour, i think it'd be much ore likely to be someone else or no one at all!!

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Willow ;I had too much nog.

Tara ;Oh, baby, want me to rub your tummy?She likes it when i......stop explaining things.

[Nat]

Plus big to everyone! Just ride this one out & it'll work out fine!
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Willow ;I had too much nog.

Tara ;Oh, baby, want me to rub your tummy?She likes it when i......stop explaining things.

[This message has been edited by Nat (edited March 11, 2002).]

[mariacomet]

GEEZ, this post is huge, I apologize in advance.

I am not sure how to begin. What should I even address you as? Friends? Kittens? Fans? Or maybe the word I am looking for is family. We all fell in love with Buffy the Vampire slayer and subsequently, we all fell in love with Willow and Tara. We bonded together to celebrate this ragged bunch of heroes with all their faults and all of their quirks. In a sense, then we became a part of their extended family. I will not call these characters real, as I know that they are fictional. In the most harsh wording, I can use - there is no Willow and Tara.

Just as there is no Buffy. No Spike. No Xander. No Anya. And on and on.

Yet, I love all of these fictional characters because they show me my wishes and my fears. Those are real. Don't we all want to be normal sometimes - like Buffy? Don't we all want to be Superwillow instead of regular Willow? It is the humanity of the show and the characters with-in the show that keep me tuned in week after week. Was I in love with th pain? Well, no, actually. The characters came alive for me, so I accepted that realistic characters meant dealing with some pain. But it also meant joy. It meant laughter. It meant love. I look at things now and I see the pain - but I must ask where is the joy? Where is the laughter? Where is the love?

I look at the world and fight not to see darkness. I don't want anyone to feel alienated, but as an American I face the reality that we have troops overseas that are risking their lives. Many other countries do as well. Our economy is bleak and many people I know have been laid off or may be laid off in the near future. The specter of September 11 still hangs over many realities of everday life. Yes, things are getting better. Yes, there are postive signs. But the fact is that right now especially, I am looking for every reason that I can to have hope. This is not a new practice for me. Trying to find reasons to hope and believe remain my aspiration.

As someone so wisely wrote when quoting the musical, with regards to Buffy, Joss made me believe.

I still want to. As a fan, as part of me is desperate too. I realize that I have cheered on more than the characters. I have cheered on Joss. I have defended him. I have defended the show. It's not that I hate this season. It's not that I think the writing is trite and clumsy. That is not the problem. The problem is not what I think at all. The problem is what I feel. I care. I care so much that I don't want quality sacrificed for dramatic impact. I don't want pain to be suffered needlessly. I want, in the end, what the writers have claimed they want - what is best for the characters.

These new spoilers have effected many people on many levels.

Some people have suggested that Joss is trying to teach us about pain. As noted, I am fully aware that the world can be a painful and horrifying place.

Or that Willow being a 'Big Bad' is what is best for the show. It keeps it fresh. It's new. It's bold.

It's Willow. It's the Willow that told Buffy in the pilot that she didn't have to come back and sit at her table because she knew she was one of the unpopular kids and wanted to give Buffy a way out. It's the Willow that stood up to Tara's family and insisted that Tara have a choice. It's the Willow that insisted everyone use "I" statements to explain to Buffy how they felt about Angel being back and Bufy lieing. It's Willow.

And using Tara as a plot device? I could list examples of who Tara is and why I love her but the important thing is that something in me screams - It's TARA.

So I look to Joss and I wonder what this man that I have cheered on might be up to. I still don't want to stop believing. I want to trust him. I want to cheer him on. If this is all a hoax, I will shake my head at myself. I will not be mad at him. Because I'm the one that keeps looking at spoilers. Writers have to work very hard to try and develop what they feel is surprising, engaging plotlines. I don't blame Joss for loathing spoilers. I imagine myself in a scenario where I tell one of my friends a secret that I really value and the next day everyone knows about it. This is what Joss deals with regarding Buffy. Yet, the very reason I read spoilers is because I keep getting burned by people in television that I once trusted. At least if I know about it ahead of time, I think to myself, if the worst happens maybe it won't crush me quite as badly. So again, reading spoilers and believing them is my fault. The writers have warned us repeatedly not to.

What happens on the show though is the fault of Joss and ME. Yes, Joss is busy on other projects. But the writers are working from his navigation. They are using his vision. If he lets his creation become Frankenstein, then the blame still rests with him.

I'm struggling to keep my thoughts in order because there are so many and they are all coming so fast.

There may be an automatic reset button and there may not be. I know the truth inside myself is that if they not only kill off Tara but do so as a plot device, my days with ME and Joss Whedon will be done. Yet this is not what I want to happen. I don't want to stop watching. If I am honest with myself, I think can handle the idea that the ME views my feelings and dedication as nothing more than toys. It doesn't make me happy, but that's reality. Writers manipulate. Television has money driven bottom line. But to treat characters I cherish like that, with a 'because I can' attitude, I find that notion unforgivable. And to forget that if it were not for those of us that are fanatic 'merchandise buying,' 'have to schedule our Tuesday nights around Buffy,' 'reading and writing fan fic' viewers, there would be not be a Buffy is just plain foolish. As I said, writers manipulate, but this should always be balanced with respect and gratitude for the characters as well as the fans.

I know the argument that "everyone in Buffy feels pain and suffering. People die. That's just Buffy." I submit to you that the only other Ship that has gone through as much turmoil as W/T is B/R. The actual events on the show were traumatic enough. Tara loses her mind, then regains it and then Willow and Tara break up. But WE W/T shippers had to be drug through the wringer by other Buffy fans as well. We hung on to the motto that Joss loves Willow and Tara. We argued, we battled, we stayed the course. Nowadays a lot of fans are coming around to the idea that Tara is a great character. But we were the first, and like the song says - we have been through hell.

Further, I argue that you folks that are like "But this is GREAT for plot" wouldn't feel that way if your favourite character was in danger. If it was Spike, would you all be cheering for the newest plot innovation?

My plan is to hang tight for the moment. I want ME to come through for us. I want to give them enough room to do so. If I stop watching, it won't be because I no longer love Buffy, it will be because that love has become so painful that I can't watch anymore. I want reasons, excuses, even freak plots that make no sense at all to show up and keep me around.

For now, I will keep watching. I can’t believe it. Not until I see it. Not until the season ends and everything is still so utterly destroyed. And I'll keep writing. I need the escapism that Fan Fic provides. In the highs and lows of the next five weeks, I think it is what will keep me sane. Because the highs and lows will be coming big time, and every time there will be a reason to believe and reasons not to believe. And every time, more than likely, the facts that we have will be minimal at best.

I want address some comments that a couple fan fic writers have made. I know this is hard and we are all trying to deal as best we can. And I agree, IF our worst fears come true, we do NOT have to take it. But for now, I want to do what I can to keep everyone believing, including myself. It will be painful enough without us deserting one another. If Tara is going to die and not return, this will happen whether I write or read W/T fan fic for the next few weeks or not. It will happen whether I ride a huge emotional roller coaster or not. So I intend to keep enjoying what I believe to be one of the most beautiful relationships I have ever seen portrayed on television. I don’t feel that right now fan fic promotes ME, I feel like it supports those on this board, the family that we have developed here.

Hang on, help one another when you can, and above all - don't lose hope.

MC

[Epicurus]

Dr. G, thanks for showing me that my thoughts aren’t just a waste of space.

and yes feel free to follow me around, it would be a nice change to be the one who is being stalked instead of the one does the stalking

[Popje]

As much as I really hate these spoilers it makes sense from both a Restless perspective. Tara says “They’re going to find out about the real you. I can’t help you with that”. And when Anya says “Its like a Greek Tragedy, without the Greeks”. It foreshadows Willow hitting a crisis. It also seems unlikely that the writers would hint so much at Willow’s flush with the dark side, her tampering with magic, only to push it aside with a lame “I was addicted, and now I’m better”. Her ominous threat to Giles “You don’t want to make me angry” (or something similar) couldn’t have been a throwaway line. It just seemed so out of place. In fact she’s threatened quite a few folks this year. So, it hurts so much – but these new spoilers make sense. As for folks saying ME would be killing a lesser character, we’ve all being using BSD, as in “Big”. It makes no sense for the writers to use a throwaway character (if they really wanted to hurt us and the beloved Scoobs.) By killing off Tara they are being very Shakespearean, as she seems most like an Ophelia or Desdemona. An innocent caught up in the tragic flaws of heroes.

[appelle]

I'm new to this board, but not to buffy... or w/t fandom... and although I do the little cringe-dance everytime I think about being this attached to characters on a television show, I just can't stand the idea that they might actually go through with this. BTVS is the only show I watch anymore, and... well. I'm sure many of you feel the same way. Just wanted to purchase my ticket for that denial bus...

[Katharyn]

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Originally posted by mariacomet:

I want address some comments that a couple fan fic writers have made. I know this is hard and we are all trying to deal as best we can. And I agree, IF our worst fears come true, we do NOT have to take it. But for now, I want to do what I can to keep everyone believing, including myself. It will be painful enough without us deserting one another. If Tara is going to die and not return, this will happen whether I write or read W/T fan fic for the next few weeks or not. It will happen whether I ride a huge emotional roller coaster or not. So I intend to keep enjoying what I believe to be one of the most beautiful relationships I have ever seen portrayed on television. I don’t feel that right now fan fic promotes ME, I feel like it supports those on this board, the family that we have developed here.

Hang on, help one another when you can, and above all - don't lose hope.

MC

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I am right there with on the fic thing MC... I got hundreds of hours and 200,000 words into a fic (yup huge stuff) and was just getting into redraft and beta... then this. I stopped for two days. I couldn't face writing. Then I started again. My beta reader made me promise to finish it whatever. I didn't need to promise - not really. I want to finish it... and I will. Maybe no one will read it but it lets me keep W/T in my heart regardless of the outside world. The fic will be posted here in due course (well on Pens.) I can understand the feelings of those who cannot keep going with writing I felt it myself. I hope that their feelings will change too. MC is dead right on this IMHO - the fic,the poems, the limericks, the vids and the posts on Kitten - they are for us. Not for ME or promoting the show. They are for us... and we all need each other right now - in whatever form we feel we can contribute.

Katharyn

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[supermus]

I know this doesn't belong in this thread, but I'm mostly keeping myself here lately and I don't want to start a new thread for it. What happened to the Buffy episodes thread? It's all locked up and page 41 appears to be gone. What happened to warrent closing it?

[tommo]

And yet...my gut reaction has been to throw myself into my fic. I started writing again. And what I wrote was just beautiful. It was how it should be.

It took me away from myself. That's what fic is for.

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

[Dr.G]

It died supermus, and if you look at the board you can see I started a new one explaining this.

Epicurus, consider yourself stalked.

[Kendahl897]

OK, I went back and read what ARI and Willowicious had written about wishes and reversal and etc. Then I saw what TV Tome had written about the season finale. The title is REAL and had the following statement about it: EVENTS OF THE LAST FEW EPISODES LEAVE ALOT OF DEVASTATING STORYLINES OUT IN THE OPEN AND EVERYTHING MAY GET REVERSED OR CORRECTED BY THE END OF THE FINALE....
Now at work today today, I thought about that riddle that Wanda had posted: Fourth ones a charm. Now assume AngelX is correct and Tara dies. She is the 1st death. Then we know that Willow kills Warren. He's is the second. There may be another one, I don't know. Or there may not be if you count Katrina as the first death and move everyone down a notch. That leaves one more death . The fourth one's the charm. Meaning that's the real death of the season. Right now I'm laying all my money on Anya, or I think it would be better to say Anyanka. Because I think the latter will be destroyed, not the former and I think the devastating storyline s discussed earlier will be reversed.
Remember the clues we've been given: 4th one's a charm, the one who dies will have a broken heart, and finally-one foot already in the grave.

[Ari]

Eh, screw it. I guess I'm not shutting up. Plus, I've been told that I've made some folks feel better so what the hell.

Here's another little bit of brainstorming and speculation about the nature of wishes in the Buffyverse.

The fundamental truth about wishes is that you'll get what you wanted in a way you never wanted it.

Cordelia wanted Buffy, Xander and Willow suffer. She got what she wanted. Xander and Will were already dead in her wishverse and Buffy was miserable and got killed to. Of course, Cordy got killed too.

Oops.

And then there's Dawn. Well, she wanted attention, right? She got it. She got it when everyone finding out about her kleptomania. But her wish wasn't entirely bad natured and had some good consequences too, such as Will and Tara being on speaking terms again which is something Dawn wanted in the first place. It just had to happen by Tara getting even more pissed before they smoothed things over.

So now we move into this last part of the season and this is my guess, based on various spoilers and rumors that I've heard that I find credible or plausible (hopefully both). Obviously there's going to be a lot more to it than this.

Anya's pissed and demony again, tries to curse Xander but can't. Because, of course, she loves him and will always love him and deep down doesn't really want to hurt him.

Which naturally pisses her off even more, so she decides to go grant a wish to someone who could hurt Xander for her, since she can't wish it herself.

So she goes to the nerds (fulfilling the spoiler that one of the Scoobies would break ranks and help out the Troika) and Warren makes a wish that...probably doesn't seem to do anything terribly useful at the time. Or at least not what she had hoped for.

Anya gets increasingly frustrated and sets out to hurt Xander in more mundane ways, say by sleeping with Spike or whatever.

In the meantime, whatever Warren's wish was helps him escape whenever the other two get arrested. So without his little roving consciences, he decides he's going to do what he should have done in the first place and sets out to kill Buffy.

Instead, he winds up killing Tara. Well, he wanted to be a supervillian and hurt the Scoobies, right?

While the fallout from Tara's death is happening, he hooks up with Spike and deactivates his chip. (I always figured that all the tests he ran on that chip would wind up being important somehow, so that's my guess.)

Now he's gotten what he hoped for with his wish, he's struck a deadly blow to the Scooby gang and probably given Spike the impetus to turn against them now that he can chase the other puppies again.

But, now Psycho Nerd Boy has drawn the wrath of Super!Willow. And if he thinks he's got it in him to be big and bad, he ain't seen nuthin' yet. Because Willow's darkness + power + losing the most important thing in her world just when she got her back = BAAAAAAD news.

Bye Warren. Hope you enjoyed your wish.

In the meantime, everything else is falling apart one way or the other. Willow seems to have lost it entirely and is virtually unstopable. Spike's making up for lost time and who knows what's going on with everyone else.

And somehow in all this, Anya finally gets what she thought she wanted in the first place: Xander's own life is put in imminent danger.

But if anyone should have known to be careful what she wished for, it was Anya. She spent a thousand years doing this, right?

And now, the same truth that kept her from cursing him in the first place is still there. She loves him and really doesn't want to hurt him. But the events that brought about the danger were as a result of the wish that she granted in the first place. So the only thing to do is sacrifice herself, stopping the chain of events that she started, in order to save him. (Because this is the only rumored scenerio that also fits in with Wanda's hints, assuming she might have an actual source.)

And in the act, redeems herself not only for her years revelling in vengeance, but also for betraying the Scoobies by going to Warren in her anger.

"I've read this tale, there's wedding then betrayal..."

Ari

[dp4m]

All -

An unregistered user with a possible bit of "good" news. As a loyal AICN reader, I am occasionally reading TalkBacks where someone named FutureGuy posts. He/She/They have been right before on some other stuff, so I will leave this here for your digestion (whether or not it is true, I do NOT know, though 6.22 being titled "Real" may help fuel this fire...)

It was FutureGuy's postulation that the entire LAST TWO seasons have been TPTB showing Buffy what could occur if they allowed the Monks to complete their spell and turn the key into human -- Dawn. The ENTIRE TWO SEASONS takes place during them being asleep in "Restless." Buffy is given the choice to return to that reality, knowing everything that occurred, and never having Dawn or to stay in her current reality with all the darkness but caring for a sister. And Buffy, realizing that she's an awful parent and guardian for Dawn, chooses to go back. Which would leave Dawn dead, but everyone else alive and happy.

Now Joss has said that he would never do the "Bobby Ewing" and erase *A* season through it being a dream... but this would be TWO seasons, so he's still not lying. I have ZERO, NONE, NO IDEA if this is even possibly true or not. But if you want hope to cling to, this may be it...

[Popje]

I'm going to further my comments on Shakespearean references...Now speaking of Shakespeare – the one thing I can’t figure out is, are the writers going in the direction of a Shakespearean Tragedy or, that of a Shakespearean Romance. For those English Lit folks out there, you’ll know what I mean. But in a nutshell, is this season going to be a Hamlet, or a Tempest? The thing with the Romance plays is that Shakespeare takes the characters to the brink of tragedy and then “Deux au Machina”, a God or enlightened being enters the picture and “fixes” things that would have been tragic. Thus the characters learn that their actions can have dire consequences if they do not act with love and forgiveness.

[tommo]

Yes, that would leave everyone alive and happy. But it would take Willow and Tara's relationship back past Family. And I'm not sure I want that to happen, in all honesty.

Popje, let's hope to god that it's not a Hamlet. Everyone dies at the end of that. I prefer the dark comedies myself. Twelfth Night is a classic among classics. And you know, at the end of that play, the righteous get their loves and the insane puritanical twat gets locked in a cage. You have to like that.
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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

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[Robin]

Popje above mentioned the Tara-line from "Restless", but I don't think JW already knew at that point of time (Season 4 finale) the finale for the 6th season. Sure he is a great storyteller and he might have had his plans for the whole 5th season at that point of time but I doubt he had plans for the 6th or 7th season. That's too much.
I think that line from Tara meant other things concerning Willow. The same for the Anya-line in "Restless".
Willow threatening Giles might have been more a sign for Willow loosing all control over herself than showing what she might be up to in the future.
But different people, different opinions!
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but to me "Tabula Rasa" was hinting towards the upcoming events by showing that every couple except Xander and Anya found each other (Buffy-Dawn, Buffy-Spike, Willow-Tara). Actually I do really like Anya, but if I had to choose between her and Tara I would like the old Romans turn my thumb down on Anya.

[Luscious]

It's been almost a year i've been reading you kitties, a habit that became a daily commitment to my W/T spoiler-hunger. However, I never dared to post anything, mainly coz as a writer, i'm a great reader. But I guess this is the time when everybody here should raise their 'voices' to show support for Willow and Tara. And by that I mean "AND Tara", the stress makes a lot of difference.

I'm brazilian and I'm watching season 6 downloading the episodes from the internet. I believe this season was the one which really showed the true love between these girls. They started completely in love with each other, they split, have both been through a lot of pain and now they're currently heading back to a 'deal': and that is they gotta stay together, because there's no way Willow can live without Tara, and vice versa. We've never seen Willow so sure of something.

And now there's Tara dying, Willow becoming completely mad (after what she's been put through, i would do the same) and everybody outside, including me, getting dazed and confused. Well, wish I didn't trust AngelX and wish I believed Willow could reverse time, but, dammed, I don't. And this is not about being pessimistic, neither realistic. This is about Buffy, The Vampire Slayer, the show where (paraphrasing season 5 finale) people's gift is pain. Sure you all remember Willow's spell to Glory: "I own you pain". And that's just what's gonna happen to Warren after killing Tara. But my question is just one: why, on earth, Willow again? Why not Xander? Sorry, but I'm beginning to fell a little resentfull with this Xander protection, although he split with Anya. I'm worn-out with this whole thing.

But as I was saying before, I think this is the moment when everyone should write something, anything that could somehow aware people of W/T popularity (as if there were not aware of this).

Anyway, wise Morrissey once said: "there is a light that never goes out"

By the way, this 'dreaming theory'...sorry, but it just doens't make any sense.

And, Joss: "nobody messes with my girls"

[tommo]

Well I heard that Joss had seven seasons planned out from the very start of the show. That he knew where he wanted to take it. Not sure if that's true; yet again another rumour.

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

[Tara Lover]

If Tara does die and remains dead this will be the second time she has suffered horribly and pointlessly, I feel that writers made a mistake by counteracting the noble and selfless reason Tara sacrificed her mind (protecting Dawn's secret) by having her blurt it out at the end of the episode, at least if Tara is going to die (she better not!!!) let it be for a good reason.

[jessan15]

Ok, I have no idea why these ideas popped into my head, but it grabbed a hold and kept nagging until I was forced to share.

Please keep in mind, if Tara goes, so do I.

That being said...some thoughts...

Despite all the spoilers that are floating around, isn't is incredible the way it has gotten us all up-in-arms?

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I will hang on till the end of the season praying for a miracle, and depending on the last moment of the season finale, quite possibly even the S7 premiere.

I know how much Joss hates spoilers, but I also know that he loves to do things to make us wake up and take notice.

Anya doing the vengence thing
Willow crashing down thard (BB style)
Xander destroyed
Buffy lost
Tara...not around

This has gotten me thinking, I wonder if Joss felt fandom was getting complacent? We were just taking things for granted and wanted to rock the boat? He gets to sit back for six weeks and watch the net boil with speculation and emotion over his precious creation. Isn't that what any writer craves?

Obviously I am still reaching trying to figure out what is going on in the Buffyverse. Joss is probably loving every minute of it. And you know what? That's just wrong.

So let me just say Mr. Whedon, if this is your sick idea of a joke, you do all this just to make it magically go away...you are indeed a first class a**hole.

Despite that, I'll still be watching every moment of the torture. God how I hate him right now.

So is the Scullybus wagontrain going to stop at any famous landmarks? Need something to entertain myself over the next 6 weeks...

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[AnGeL X]

Hey.

Just to update everyone on the current situation. I know I've said it enough times elsewhere, but I just wanted to let you all know here as well.

I am trying to get more information on the Willow/Tara news of ep 19 and 20. Right now though, my sources are unable to get access to information that ultimately confirms or denies the truth of these spoilers. Hopefully, by the end of the week, we should have some specific answers about what happens.

I'm sorry I can't offer you complete definitive information about what happens and that I'm dragging this drama along when I meant to be ending it, but right now the necessary information just not being made available to me and the sudden flood of conflicting information is making things very confusing. Again, I still believe the info I have, but with the extreme hugeness of this info, I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression about the information or its accuracy. I have the info from a reliable source, in writing, and confirmed it with many other sources...but until something is seen on screen, it's never 100%.

I'll do my best to keep you updated with whatever information I am able to get.

And big thanks to all of you for your kindness in all of this mess. I was fully prepared to accept your hatred for bringing this news and you've all been nothing but kind and understanding. So thank you and I hope I'll be able to offer you something that resolves all of this soon. Eventually, somehow, I'm going to get to the bottom of all this!

-Michelle

[Willowlicious]

Again, Ari, a great post! It sounds very plausible. But, I mentioned last night and Xita mentioned today--where the frilly heck is Buffy in all of this? As much as I'm obsessed with all things Willow and Tara, the show is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Out of all these wacky spoilers (save the one I just read about two seasons being dreams...NOT!) I've seen, none of them focus on Buffy's arc. I find that suspicious to say the least.

I think I'm giving up trying to figure out exactly what is going on and am going to simply accept that alternating perceptions and realities have been a constant tune humming in the background all season long and that it somehow has to do with the season finale. While I am still nervous, I intellectually cannot fathom that Joss and Co. would permanently kill Tara in the cold, merciless, cliched manner described and let Willow leap into a black pit of despair from which she cannot conceivably return whole.

I don't know if Buffy is in hell or Anya is just causing trouble, all I know is that this cannot be the whole story.

As Mariacomet said, "It's Willow." They won't harm her that way. They won't. It's Willow.

EDITED TO ADD: Thanks, Michelle! My eye kind of twitches when I see the username AnGelX now, but that's not your fault. I'm sure I'll get over it in therapy. I'm sending the bill to Joss Whedon.

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[Kendahl897]

I really think Ari is right on track here. I don't think she's going to be completely accurate, but I don't think she's going to be very far off. I'll go so far as to say I'll buy her a tall cold one ( just tell me where to send the check) when she is proven correct....
Wanda's clues will have meaning, the cliche will be turned on it's head, Emma Caulfield will be right about everyone enjoying the finale and the Kittens will be filled with joy...
By the way, Ari, I got a real laugh out of your description of Willow and an even better one out of: Bye Warren, hope you enjoyed your wish.

[Robin]

AnGeL X Thanks!

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[Blixxt]

Something I feel I should point out in regards to TV tome quote. They are saying: "Events of the last few episodes leave a lot of devastating storylines out in the open and everything may ger reversed or corrected by the end of the finale."

Now look at what Angel X stated in her original post: "The events of 20 leave a lot of devastating storylines out in the open and I am hoping that everything gets reversed or corrected or something by the end of the finale."

As far as I can tell, TV tome does not have any specific info and they're just quoting Michelle. Which is not to say the events can't get reversed, I'm honestly hoping it will happen, but TV tome probably shouldn't be considered a source on the matter.

In regards to Futureman on AICN, that was the guy who said that Willow was going to join up with Warren earlier this season. Uh huh. He also stated that Riley was going to be the bad guy in "As you Were" while Spike would save the day. I remember he had even more incredibly false spoilers, but don't recall the details. He thus should *not* be considered a reliable source.

As for Angel X, you are incredibly wonderful, and we all love you. As many have said before me, you are welcome here anytime. Thank you for your grace, it is truly appreciated.

[This message has been edited by Blixxt (edited March 11, 2002).]

[AutumnT]

Thanks for the update Michelle and for continuing to check in on us. I'm sorry you were afraid we'd pounce on you, but in truth you were never in danger of that. You see it's the attitude of other spoiler folks that set some of us off. You, on the other hand, have been nothing but considerate of our feelings here. And for that I thank you.

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Autumn

I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.