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Postby Shadowcat » Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:01 pm

I don't know how many of you have heard of this, but it absolutely enraged me. I am definately going to the TG conference in Albany, now. A transman was arrested in NYC's Grand Central Station for using the men's room, and held for 23 hours! He wrote about it in the following email.

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Subject: pee crimes

Friends and Allies,

I'm writing to update you on the events of this weekend involving my arrest(with two friends) for using the 'men's' restroom at Grand Central Station. I have received many concerned and supportive emails and calls, and I wanted to take a moment to give everyone the full story of what happened, and some thoughts about the significance of this experience.

On Saturday (2/2/02), I participated with my affinity group in the anti-WEF rally at 59th Street and the long march that followed curving around down toward the Waldorf Astoria. By 5pm, after 6 hours of being outside in the cold, we were all very tired and needed to use the bathrooms and get some food. We went to Grand Central station, and headed toward the bathrooms on the Dining Concourse level. I entered the "men's" room, as is my custom, and was followed in by a cop. As I was looking to see what stalls were open, he approached and asked for my ID. I explained that I was in the right bathroom, that I am transgender and I understood his confusion, but I was just going to use the bathroom and leave. Craig came in after the cop because he was worried about me, and as the cop forcefully asked for my ID over and over, Craig said "He's in the right bathroom, please just let him pee and we'll leave." Craig even volunteered to show his ID to the cop if it would help. When I realized that the cop wasn't going to leave us alone despite our explanations, I said "Let's just leave, I'll pee somewhere else." At that point, we tried to walk past the cop and he physically restrained us by pushing us up against the wall and blocking our exit while he radioed for back up. Ultimately, we were thrown to the floor and dragged (with me screaming "I was just trying to pee! Help me!" to the tourist and protester onlookers) through the station. Our other friend Ananda was also arrested while trying to advocate for us.

We were held for 23 hours at 3 different precincts. I was placed with Ananda with the "female" population. Craig was housed with the "male" population. It was a typical jail stay with the usual discomforts: lack of food and water, freezing cold, overcrowding, filth, and verbal harassment. Also typically, most of the people we met inside had been arrested for crimes like being poor, being non-white, being homeless, etc. The most emotionally challenging part for me was the transphobia I encountered from the court attorney who represented me at my arraignment. He came to the cell around noon yesterday (2/3/02), read the police statement on my court documents, and asked why I was in the "men's" room. I explained that I am transgender and I customarily use "men's" rooms, go by a male name and pronoun. He wrinkled up his face, said with a very dismissive and disapproving attitude "That is your business. I don't care." And then asked me what my genitalia is. I asked "Why is do you need to know that?" Being unfamiliar with state court criminal proceedings, and having been told by the National Lawyer's Guild attorney who visited us in our cells at Grand Central that the arraignment was a formality that did not require his assistance, I was unclear as to how much detail about my situation would be required for this attorney to do his job at the arraignment. Also, having experienced on numerous occasions the inappropriately personal questions asked by some people who are hostile about my transgender identity, I was on guard to make sure that I would only have to engage in such a conversation if it was relevant to my legal case. The attorney took offense to my questioning the relevance of his inquiry about my genitalia, and communicated that if I would not cooperate with him, that was my problem. Because I was unsure about what would happen to me if he would not advocate for me vigorously, and because I feared being given a bail I could not meet, I ultimately suffered the indignity of having to satisfy his curiosity about my genitalia by explaining it. Even then, he said dismissively about my transgender "well, that is your personal business" and left without giving me any information about what would happen in the courtroom. For the next several hours, I was deeply concerned about the quality of representation I would get in the courtroom, and whether I would be released on my own recognizance. Having never been arrested in a situation in which I was not prepared for arrest before, having never been arraigned individually, and having never been represented by a court attorney rather than pro bono counsel before, I was very concerned that I might not be released.

Much to my relief, I discovered upon entering the courtroom that it was filled with friends and allies wearing "Living Trans is Not a Crime" stickers. Having them there, I knew that I would be safe. The prosecutor described my crime by saying "Defendant was asked for identification. Defendant responded, 'I am a man. I am a transvestite.'" If it wasn't so disturbing, it might have been funny. After that, the Judge released me on my own recognizance. Within the next half hour, Ananda and Craig were also released. All in all, we spent 23 hours in jail. I am being charged with two counts of Disorderly Conduct, one count of Trespassing, one count of Resisting Arrest, and one count of Obstruction of Government Administration. Ananda and Craig are being charged with Obstruction, Resisting, and Disorderly Conduct. Our next court date is March 6. I will continue to update all of you on the progress of our case and our organizing efforts.

As a final note, I will tell you a few of the things these arrests have made me think about. First, I am outraged, of course, by the double-bind in which gender segregation of bathrooms leaves transgender, transsexual, gender variant, and genderqueer people. Like many people, each time I use a public bathroom I face the fact that no matter what choice I make, I may encounter harassment and potential violence and arrest. My level of bathroom anxiety, of course, is increased by the weekend's events. However, I am hopeful that the increased visibility of this problem afforded by the media coverage of the arrests and the organizing we will continue will result in policy changes about bathroom segregation. I hope that this arrest will spark campaigns to provide safe, non-gendered bathroom options for all people in all public spaces. I intend to continue vigorously advocating on this issue.

Additionally, this arrest raises questions about the practice of indicating "legal gender" on state identification cards. It is my belief that just as "race" has been eliminated as a category on state identification (in most states, to my knowledge) gender should similarly be eliminated. Had I had "M" on my ID in this situation, I could have shown it to the officer. However, I might still be arrested, and then I would have faced the possibility of being housed with a male population in jail. Would this have been safe? I tend to think it would not. However, with "F" on my identification I face the continual problem of having my preferred gender terms not aligned with what is on my ID. Either choice, for people like me who face the possibility of arrest in an increasingly aggressive police state and who are targeted for harassment due to gender identity, is
unsafe.

Despite the discomforts of the weekends events, I have hope that much good will come from these arrests. We have been contacted by various legal organizations interested in our case. I hope that we can use legal and political means to change the police policies regarding bathroom enforcement and transgender arrests, increase awareness of bathroom gender enforcement issues amongst other organizations and institutions that have gender segregated bathrooms, and increase awareness of transgender experience generally. I was glad to hear from my sister in San Francisco that the arrests were announced at an anti-WEF rally she went to, and to see that they are being covered by the Independent Media Center and other groups focused on the WEF events. I think that it is a step forward to have anti-capitalist activists and movements considering transgender issues and participation. I was also overwhelmed by the response of our friends and other allies to our arrests. I am deeply grateful to everyone who advocated for us and who showed their support in court and by email and phone. I feel like I am an incredibly lucky person to have so many trans and non-trans friends up in arms over trans politics.

As you may know, I am currently working to start up a new law project focusing on the needs of low-income transgender, transsexual, genderqueer, and gender variant folks in NYC. It was funny to spend a week writing a grant about issues such as the discriminatory treatment of this population in criminal justice contexts, as well as the inadequacy of many lawyers to provide sensitive and appropriate services to us, and then to experience these very problems myself on the weekend. The experience has reinforced my commitment to this work.

Thanks for reading this long email. Feel free to pass it on to anyone who might be interested. I will continue to update you on the progress of our case and any other events we plan. Please contact me if you have ideas for strategy or resources that may be helpful.

Dean

P.S. Here's a photo of riot cops fretting over the sweet people who were advocating for us when we were still being held at Grand Central. As I'm writing this, the photo is mis-captioned, identifying me as a
"transgender woman." We've asked them to correct that. http://nyc.indymedia.org/front.php3?art ... up=webcast



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Postby drlloyd11 » Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:46 pm

When I saw "pee crimes" I was like "they are finaly going to get that bastard that pees on the seat!"
Then I was like.. oh!
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Postby Warduke » Tue Feb 12, 2002 1:55 pm

Pat, I edited the thread title because anything that is of interest to gays and lesbians is ON topic.
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Postby BabyWillow81 » Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:01 pm

Somtimes cops just do thing to make me think... as if I already didnt hate authority figures enough......?

What assholes....ARGGHHH!

OK imangry now, dang !

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Postby tommo » Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:27 pm

Sigh. Ack. For shame.

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Postby jsr » Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:26 pm

I am so sorry that this happened to your friend. For anyone to have to go through an experience like this, just because they had to pee, is terrible. And I am sickened by the lawyer that was assigned to this case -- if god forbid, your friend is convicted of anything, he can easily appeal for insufficient counsel. This attorney was obviously completely ignorant and hence unable to provide a satisfactory defense.

Unfortunately, the events of September 11th have changed our society and to a certain degree, comprimised all of our rights (some much more than others, as we can see from this scenario). Sadly we are living in a horrible political climate, where refusing to show an ID -- regardless of how justified the reason -- can be considered a crime. This does not justify what happenend -- the officer could have said, "It doesn't matter what you are, I just need to see your ID." and this nightmare could have been avoided. But he chose to handle the situation in a violent and violating manner, and that is incredibly disturbing. I highly agree that there is a need for identification reform, and that even moreso, police need to be educated regarding transgender issues.

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Postby Epicurus » Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:58 pm

Ignorance and arrogance never make for a good combination.
This is harassment, plain and simple. I couldn’t imagine being put in that situation and not violently raging against the machine. Since when is it a crime to take a piss? why the hell don’t people have anything better to do? and wtf is up with having riot cops?

The world disappoints me sometimes.

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Postby Under Her Spell » Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:35 pm

There's something deeply wrong with policing, like there's a small-town atmosphere, where anyone percieved as an outsider can be arrested on some ridiculous charge.
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Postby Shadowcat » Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:09 pm

Thanks, Brian. I wasn't sure if it was really on topic, I was just really angry and needed to share the story.

I do not personally know this person. I actually got it off a mailing list I'm on, and it was posted as a forwarded message there. It IS an actual event that happened in NYC. The fact that it was in NYC really disturbs me. I've heard about the cops getting sensativity training. Looks like this guy skipped the class.

Don't you just love the picture? We really need a riot squad protecting our bathrooms. These are our tax dollars at work, people. Doesn't it make you feel warm and fuzzy? Oh, wait. I think that's nausia trying to take over.

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Postby Nouvelle » Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:50 pm

What happened was terrible, when ya gotta go, ya gotta go. If he had went into a ladies restroom, he probably still would have been arrested for "upsetting" the women in there who thought he was a man.

I don't mean to mock a series issue, but every time I see the title of this thread, I think "Bathroom Cups".

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Postby judy » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:11 pm

ARgh! Is this board wonky tonight or is it just me?

Shadowcat, thanks for posting this. Would you mind posting contact info in terms of getting involved in protesting this/supporting Dean? Also, I had wanted to go to the True Spirit Conference in DC this weekend but because of work am unable to. So would you let me know more about the trans conference in Albany??? Thanks!

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Postby april » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:40 pm

judy, i can put you in touch with some of the people who are working on this case. (i'll email you separately.) my friend who's an NYU law student, on the board of NYAGRA (an NY-area transgender activisit organization, for those who don't know) and currently involved in setting up trans legal clinics in NYC called me about this the night this guy was arrested. she was on her way to the jail where he was being held. i hadn't heard back from her about it since, but it makes me so angry (and yet, not at all surprised) that he was treated that way by cops and by his judge. there is still so much education that has to be done about LGB and especially T issues in the legal and law enforcement communities.

up until last sept, i worked right across the street from grand central station. i walked through it every day on my way to work. i often used the bathrooms there. it could have been me there in jail, or any of the many trans clients who came to my organization for help. it makes me so mad that even in a supposedly cosmopolitan place like new york city, these things still happen.

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Postby judy » Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:57 pm

thanks, april!

jynyc_2000@yahoo.com

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Postby shellybean » Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:44 am

Its very upsetting to hear about things like this. I guess the world hasn't changed as much as a hoped.
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Postby Dr.G » Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:45 am

Oh well how precious is this. I really want to visit the US, sooner rather than later, but I was not going to until my passport is changed and it looks like that is the way it has got to be for me, as I am quite sure I will have to use the bathroom at some point and I sure as hell cannot use the lady's room looking the way I do, but if they were to ask for my ID now I would apparently risk seeing some sights I really do not wish to see.

Hmmph, well I do not have to wait much longer if all goes well, but this makes me so very uncomfortable in a way I do not feel here. It is scary and it sucks. I admire that man and those who stand up for his/their and other people's rights. It can be bloody hard enough being trans(gender) even if the whole world supports you. Fuck this and welcome to the twentyfirst century.

Ah and that was me swearing, still much more civilized than what happened to Dean.

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Postby WiccanBex » Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:48 am

this sucks...

grr...

i'd think of something else to say, but i think i covered it with "this sucks..."

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Postby april » Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:48 am

garfield, i'll protect you when you come visit me in new york. so you have nothing to worry about.

i was thinking about this case again as i went to bed last night. it just hits so close to home. in addition to getting the phone call from my friend on sat night, i was actually in grand central about two hours before the arrest took place - with an FTM friend of mine who was visiting from out of town to see the WEF protests. there were like 50 cops throughout grand central, standing around and looking like they were bored and wanted some action. we actually went down to try and use the same bathrooms, but the lines were too long and the cops were making us nervous, so we left. little did we know how wise a decision that turned out to be.

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Postby Anakin1218 » Wed Feb 13, 2002 10:56 am

so much for the "land of the free" it's disgusting how ppl can still be treated like this and the law allows for it!! just makes me go grrrrrr

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Postby Shadowcat » Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:18 pm

Scary, April. I'd be freaked out, too.

Garfield, you must visit us. We'll move in packs, so we can beat down anyone who gives up lip. When are you planning on coming, btw? And where?

Passports are very hard to change here. I'm glad things are better where you are. :/

I'm still horribly mad about this incident, and can feel something brewing in the back of my mind, but don't know what it is yet.

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Postby Dr.G » Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:00 pm

Shadowcat I think I know how you feel, this is so infuriating, and I am just sitting here in my nice safe house thousands of miles away, I have a nice safe job, a supportive family and friends. I am more than lucky.

Anyway, I will come and visit, I am planning to in 2003, I've got a wedding to go to, I'll want to stay in New York and California. I will get my birthcertificate and passport changed soon I hope.

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Postby rocketdyke » Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:37 pm

i dont know so much about this arrest, except that it had happened, but i can say at least that i have been in court arraigning at least one transgendered woman and several gay male defendants and from what i could see and hear, the judge, me, and the defense attorney were all very aware of the dangers for these people to be held in the system and very sensitive to their sexual identity, at least as far as it was relevant to their situation (which it was, since it was protitution and domestic violence stuff). i cant speak about cops and court officers, but i do know there are many people within the system who are aware and try to make sure people are safe and respected when they are this situation. just so we can all at least know its not a completely hopeless situation...
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Postby judy » Thu Feb 14, 2002 10:33 pm

Garfield, I'll use my long sharp pointy femme nails to gouge out the eyes of any cops who come within 50 feet of you... oh wait... damn, my nails are short. Well, I could grow them special just for you. Failing that, I think a swift kick to the knee will do the trick.

april, where's the loooooove? where's my info you promised me? is this how you treat girls? whispering sweet promises and then failing to deliver in the end????

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Postby Dr.G » Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:26 am

Oh heh heh, between you and April I should be quite safe.
Thank you dear, remind me never to get on your bad side though.


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Postby april » Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:23 pm

sorry judy; still waiting to hear from my friend. i just emailed you what little info i have, though.

and for folks interested in going to the trans conference in albany, here's the site:
http://www.nytga.org/index.html

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Postby Kakamabee » Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:26 pm

The poor guy just wanted to pee. I mean the cop just followed him on what cause. I wouldnt really care. Maybe by seeing him from far away and thinking he was a woman i wouldve gone in but then i wouldve been like ooh n/m and left the guy pee in peace.

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