Tara resurrection theories…

[twink]

I would like to hear from all those Tara dedicated kittens the little theories they have rattling around in their brains that would bring her back. If you all are anything like me, you comb through every episode searching for the loopholes. Now, I would like to remind you all to keep this a spoiler free zone. (I did not find a place where this has been discussed in the Season 7 section, so hopefully I’m not repeating a topic)

"You know what's weird?"--W
"Japanese commercials are weird."--T

[urnofosiris]

Well there are plenty of ways in which they could bring Tara back if they wanted. I read some great fics which are far superior to what has been shown on that show for the last 5 episodes or so. There have been many fine theories last season right up until the final ep aired, and some of those theories could still be used.



Just out of curiosity though, does anyone actually believe that will happen? This is not a spoiler, but I am absolutely totally and completely convinced that hell will freeze over before Joss Whedon will give us Tara back alive. So I am sticking to fic, there are quite a few talented writers who do a better job of creating wonderful WT realities than I ever could.



Ok, so far for me being mr kill your joy It is just that I did the hope thing last season and I used it all up.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

Edited by: DrG at: 10/8/02 12:19:56 am

[Iamyouknowyours]

I'm just hoping for maybe a Tara flashback of a snuggly moment, or even a dream Tara. Is it good enough? No. Is it an insult to those who love and still need W/T? Absolutely. But at least I would catch a glimpse of my beloved Ambr Benson playing the role she does so well and perhaps have an extra W/T snuggle to treasure.



In a Hellmouth town like Sunnydale, one assumes a woman who died young with unfinished business would at least stick around as a ghost. Tara vowed to always find Willow, didn't she. A mere thing like death would not have stopped that determination. Surely that logic has not excaped ME.



My only hope that she will actually be resurrected rests upon two comments of Amber Benson.

The cryptic: "Everything will be rectified" and I believe she also mentioned somewhere that she would not play any role that would further hurt her fans. The first comment I recieved in person. I may be mistaken about the last comment though.



However Joss seems to me to be the kind of person to stick by an artistic vision no matter what, and to bring Tara back to life would almost be admitting that he was wrong. I just don't see him doing that. I hope I am wrong.



I would personally have Tara earn her way back to earth from heaven, to be with her beloved. I wrote a fanfic about it even. Therefor, the Scoobie's lesson is not lost, and yet the power of love still prevails. That would be the solution I would chose.

Sex always leads to bad things on Buffy. Angel turned evil, Willow turned evil, Tara got shot, Buffy ended up dating Riley...

[urnofosiris]

Well if there is one thing I would never ever want to see, it is to have her be shown in flashbacks or dreams or a ghost or what not, the only thing that is acceptable to me is if she is alive and in a town like sunnydale where every vampire and it's slayer has been brought back from the dead a halfway creative writer could do it with one finger in their nose and their eyes closed.



Tara does not have to earn it. She and Willow earned a long and happy life together ten times over by being the good people they are and risking their lives for others who never knew that they were doing just that. But that wasn't interesting enough for Mr Whedon, eventhough a happy ending for a gay couple would break the cliche he'd rather stick to misery and death as no couple on Buffy ever had a happy ending . So far for BtVS breaking existing cliches in favour of perpetuating it's own.



Well tralala, this is sounding like a rant, bad me, anyway the title of this thread is resurrection theories, ghosts and flashbacks are not resurrections.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

Edited by: DrG at: 10/8/02 2:02:41 am

[themagicpixie]

Tara could be resurrected very easily - this is Sunnydale we're talking. The same way as it was Joss who "killed" Tara, not Warren, it's Joss & ME who are keeping her dead rather than the laws of life and death on Buffy, which have always been pretty much made up as they go along anyway.



So, Tara's resurrection will come about as a publicity / rating stunt if people stop watching, which it seems they are. Though I suspect her return would be Jenny Calendar-esque because of the way these people's minds work.



Aside from a resurrection, I know this is off-topic therefore, but I really think they will be tempted to bring her back as a ghost. That's because that would suck, do you see?

[Iamyouknowyours]

It was not my intention. I hold nothing but the highest respect of your opinions Dr.G. I know that flashbacks are not resurrections, but I was trying to be realistic of what ME might actually be willing to give us. What I was trying to communicate in my post was that at this point I miss my girls so much I would gladly take whatever snippet ME might actually give us. If they are willing to give me a flashback/ghost/someother non-alive version of Tara garbage then at least I'll get to see Amber as Tara again. It's not acceptable, I absolutely agree. It downright sucks. But at least it would be something for this poor, battered Buffy fan. (At this point I'd rejoice if they actually mentioned Tara's name. THAT is how low my expectations are for Joss and Co).



The 'Tara earning it' part is just my way of attempting to be original (and perhaps failing) rather than going "poof" reset/wish reversal/extra urn of osiris found on ebay or what have you. I believe that the Tara I know and love would do anything within her power to get back to her Willow. Since Angel had to go through a Hell of a lot to come back (granted we never found out exactly what, it was all implied) I would assume Tara would have to struggle a bit for it too. Believe me, I would happily pop Tara back into Sunnydale with no explination, or just have Willow wake up from a horrible dream. But season six mucked everything up. My hypothetical solution attempts to deal with that mess and begin to mend the situation. If you think it sucks, well that's cool. No hard feelings there. To each their own opinion and season severed speculation.



On a sillier note, here's another solution. Please keep in mind that this one was written purely in jest. Definately no intent to offend here:



One of Dawn's old stolen trinkets sends the Scoobies into an Alternate Demension. A demension very much like the real one, except that everyone is all naked and all gay. (Joss gets to write out that episode he always wanted). AU Xander and AU Angel are both jonesing for AU Spike, who only has eyes for AU Giles. AU Buffy and AU Faith are together. Comedy insues. AU Tara (identical to the Tara we know and love except more naked) is as surprised see Willow as Willow is to see her. Apparently, AU Willow was killed off by a random bullet to the chest. The scoobs from both demensions search for a way to send the origional scoobs back. The spell is found, and Willow and AU Tara must decide what to do. Willow tearfully tells Buffy and co that she can't lose Tara again. They understand. She offers to stay, but AU Tara explains that there is nothing for her in the world if she is not with Willow. The AU scoobs don't need her. Real Willow does. She occompanies the scoobies back into the real Sunnydale, knowing she can never return from whence she came.

The end result?

Tara is back, but not the "real" Tara, hence Joss did not lie about the Amber but not Tara thing.

Tara is not exactly "dead" either, so the rest of ME didn't lie.

Willow and Tara are together, which makes us viewers happy.

The deceased Willow and Tara are together in some heavenly demension, so they're not lonely either.

The side effect?

Tara just can't seem to get used to the not being naked part, wearing as little as possible at all times. Willow often joins her in the nakedness, to make her adjustment more comfortable.

What a shame, I know.

Sex always leads to bad things on Buffy. Angel turned evil, Willow turned evil, Tara got shot, Buffy ended up dating Riley...

[Kendahl897]

I'd say at this point, Joss should be more worried about the WB ending up looking like a bunch of geniuses for dropping the show and UPN looking like at bunch of idiots for picking it up at the 2 million dollar pricetag. Remember, the animosity when Buffy's fate was up in the air? Buffy needs the fans right now and alot of them left after last season, including us.

My resurrection theory has Anya involved. I don't know how, but she is somehow involved. Guess we have 16 more episodes to find out.

Edited by: Kendahl897 at: 10/8/02 4:23:36 am

[urnofosiris]

Iamyouknowyours, I was just venting the very strong opinion I have on this subject. I won't settle for anything less than Tara alive, anything I else I will not watch, not ever, and to me it would only add insult to injury, so I hope that Amber will stick to that previous quote you posted.



Anyway, your scenario is a lot more believeable and less silly than the what they have come up with so far, so all I can say is 'if only'. Though I know not everyone *cough*Warduke*cough* would accept an AU Tara either, but heh, I would, because I believe she has the same soul and would still be the same person.



Hmm, I am still not theorizing am I? Ah bad Garfield again. Let's keep this thread on the topic it was created for, general rants and other things belong in the spoiler thread or the rant thread.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

[Sheridan]

My guess would be that if they do decide to resurrect her then it won't be till quite late in the season, probably as a bone thrown to us when the show gets cancelled and Joss doesn't have any more big concepts to worry about, as to how well take your pick, time travel, AU Tara, the urn and a tube of super glue...

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Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Mrs Vertigo]

Dark Magic Willow could have wished vengence on Warren, asking for the re-demoned Anyanka to make it as though he had never been born.



Anya could have done it. She had done that sort of thing before. Willow was a woman scorned, by a man. It would've worked.

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Joss: “And what if I kill you?”
Tara: “Trust me; won’t help.”

Edited by: Mrs Vertigo at: 10/8/02 6:10:22 am

[Dumbsaint]

I can't and won't even begin to delve into possible resurrection theories in terms of the show. I don't trust these people with her anymore, not with Tara, not with Willow, certainly not with the two of them together. If it happened, it would only make at least some part of me desperately want to watch again, after I've finally reached a place where I don't want to watch, and am relieved about that. It would only tempt me to get sucked back in for what would no doubt only end up hurting me all the more.



Thanks but... no thanks.

"And never let it be said that I left a Tara craving unsatisfied." Willow, Wilderness Pt. 1

[urnofosiris]

Quote:

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take your pick, time travel, AU Tara, the urn and a tube of super glue...

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Thanks for that



Julia, I know what you mean, but heh, if Tara would come back alive I would make sure no mind games can be played with me and not watch till the show was over once and for all. Which will be soon enough.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

[xita]

I am certainly with you on that one julia, nothing hurts me more than kittens being hurt. In speculation lies a broken heart. And faith can only be placed in those trustworthy. These folks are not. There is peace in acceptance.

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Tara and Willow

Accept NO subsitutes

[Wiccagrrl313]

There are certainly ways Tara could be/could have already been brought back. But I, too, don't believe ME will ever do it. So, while I'm happy to hear alternate paths this storyline coulda gone, speculating on what ME will actually do and combing through the eps and various interviews for hope that ME will put things right? Well, that just hurts way too much. Did that for much of the end of last season, kept hoping against hope that it would indeed be ok. No more for me.

Tracy

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VILLOV

I troost yuu. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!

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Tara. Accept No Substitutes.

[Warduke]

Two things…



First, I'm with Julia, xita, Tracy, I will just not do this, because I don’t think, I know Joss won't do it, that would be the human thing to do, so that's why it won't happen.



Secondly, Garfield said…"Though I know not everyone *cough*Warduke*cough* would accept an AU Tara either"…although I do not want to get into this, I will say that for the same reason Garfield could accept this (AU Tara and our Tara have the same soul) that is the reason I can never accept it, for that to be true (same soul) then answer me this…



Where is Tara's soul now?



If you say heaven (which it is), then how can any other AU Tara have her soul?

When Buffy died and was in heaven, her soul was there, it wasn't in any other AU Buffy running around, so that means that our Tara's soul, the one that has all of the Willow memories, the one that shared all those things with Willow, the one that loved Willow more than anything in the world is in heaven, it's not in any other AU Tara, so how can any other "Tara" be acceptable?

It can't ever be, only our Tara is acceptable, only her soul coming back from heaven to be with Willow is acceptable, everything else is shit. (well for me at least)

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[famer]

I'm coming down in favour of this thread. Everyone here has been hurt by Tara's murder and given the history, it's very likely anyone getting their hopes up for a Tara resurrection will be hurt (again) in the most painful way. I think we all understand that.



However, if someone wants to make the informed decision to speculate the ways Tara could be resurrected -- I'm all for that too. I see this as akin to each Kitten making their own decision whether to watch S7. They know Joss phucked with them big time and they're going back for more, hoping it'll get better or not to abandon Willow or whatever personal reason they have.



If for some reason, I am incorrect and overlooking something inherently bad about this thread (other than what I've already outlined and what's already been said) -- I am sure that the mods will lock this thread or make it disappear or something.



Otherwise, I'm going to delve right in with the guessing. This is not to say that I actually believe that Tara's is going to be resurrected (i believe NOTHING until I get wildfeed confirmation) but I don't mind speculating. I'm with Dr.G in that fics have great resurrection theories; however, my picks:



I'm taking 1-5 (or is it 5-1, whichever means that it's a longshot) on Anya doing a time-fold when she leaves at the end of S7.



1-1000 -- Tara & her mom scenario. Not big with the details yet, but let me think about it.

Edited by: famer at: 10/8/02 9:09:23 am

[urnofosiris]

Quote:

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Where is Tara's soul now?



If you say heaven (which it is), then how can any other AU Tara have her soul?

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Brian, that is a bit of a philosophical question. I think the answer to that is personal and depends on what each of us believes. First of all you would have to believe in a soul, the existence of which can't be 'scientifically' proven. You either believe it or you don't. Same thing with heaven. I think I do, heh, I am not even sure, but I believe Tara has a soul. If that is so then I also believe that that soul -like the universe- is infinite and eternal and that it exists in every reality and time at once (and I know our universe was supposedly born with the Big Bang and will end one day, but what was there before and what will be there afterwards?).



Now I do not really believe in the existence of alternate realities, but fanfic and Star Trek have made me accept that particular idea. Usually I don't believe in witches and vampires or in hobbits and rings that make one invisible either, but when I watch or read a good story I get caught up in it, and within the realm of those stories I do accept these things exist, even if I don't really believe in them. How am I doing in not making any sense?



As for alternate Buffy, well I imagine she is running around in her alternate universes still looking for Mr Right, like Ally McBeal.

An alternate Tara might not have this Tara's memories, but as long as she has the same soul it does not matter to me. She and Willow are connected and meant to be no matter what memories they have or don't have. Tabula Rasa is a beautiful example of that.



It comes down to this: I believe and accept that Tara has a soul and that that soul has always existed in every reality, in heaven and on earth and for all eternity, no beginning, no ending. I also believe her soul belongs to Willow's in every reality and for all eternity. It enables me to enjoy the different kind of fanfics I have read, they are all alternate realities with the same Willow and Tara to me, it enables me to dismiss* Joss Whedon's "vision" as bad fanfic, one I will not believe or accept, just like I would never accept Willow with someone else. They belong together. Forever. In every life and in every universe.







*I will never dismiss the reality of what his lies and vision have done though, the hurt it caused and the damage it did.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

Edited by: DrG at: 10/8/02 9:59:33 am

[dazed and confused]

Here's my far-fetched, wishful-thinking theory:



Around Nov. sweeps after we've seen Willow tortured and sad and dejected for the first 2 months back from England we start off an ep with Willow at Tara's grave crying...asking for forgiveness and begging her to come back and find her.



Next shot is racing through clouds towards a bright white light, as the screen clears we see Tara, as beautiful as ever, glowing, watching over Willow with tears in her eyes. Then we see a hand touch her shoulder, she turns as the tears run down her cheeks to see her mother. She folds herself into her mother's arms as she weeps. Her mother speaks, "The elders are assembled. They are ready to hear your plea." As Tara looks up she sees that her mother is crying as well. Tara speaks, "Mother, I'm so sorry. But I have to try. I can't bear to see her like this. She needs me." Mom, "I know. That's why you have to go to the elders now." Tara nods and her mother leads her away.



The rest of the ep switches back and forth between Sunnydale and this heavenly trial where Tara is pleading with the "elders aka. TPTB" to be sent back.



At the end of the ep Tara, reanimated, appears on the floor of Willow's bedroom, just as she was left in Seeing Red. TPTB allowed her to return as there are great things in store for Willow and only Tara can help heal the wounds that keep Willow from her future. TPTB also had plans for Tara and although she is back in the flesh she is much more powerful than she once was. Her mother's and grandmother's powers were transfered to her so that she will be a powerful "white" witch which will allow Willow to find her own path, away from actual use of magic. She will become a watcher and eventually head up the Watcher's Council.



Tada! Ratings boost and our wishes come true...of course, it won't happen and I won't hold my breath but...it would be nice.



Back to my daydreams.

[jixer]

Hello Kittens-



I really wish I hadn't stopped here. Now I have a thought on a way to make the rest of the season watchable. I'll just mix it in with my other fanfics. At least then I know I can kind of trust the writer.







J

[roamin]

Well I'm not writer but - I have always thought a good way to bring her back would be for Willow and the gang to find out that Tara isn't in heaven, but instead is in a hell dimension paying for Willow's killing of Osiris' messenger, Warren and Rack - so that Willow doesn't have to.



We could crossover with Angel - Cordy or Skip could deliver the message, or perhaps Willow could find out because she is now all attuned to the world and ask for Cordy and Skip's help. The gang would get to go to hell and back to rescue her, then Willow could explore the whole "cosmic atonement theme" - she's on the hook cause Tara is no longer doing the atoning for her (she and Spike could bond), Tara will have to deal with the repercussions of spending 100 years in hell. Lots of room for ME to induce suffering before ultimately reuniting the girls.



That's how I'd do it.

[Kalita]

Well, I'll just say I've enjoyed several of the fanfic versions and I know ME will never make anyting as interesting or potent as what I've read on Pens.



Only when I've heard from Amber's own lips that Tara, the real Tara, will return alive to the show, will I consider forgiving ME in any way. Till then, I avoid their shows and deride them in public where situations allow. So there.

"Numfar... Do the dance of shame."

[twink]

ok, i started this thread with the beginning thoughts that ME has done too much damage to us and i would like to think on happy thoughts. i was hoping to find fun and possibly plausable options to let us see tara and willow together they way they belong. (not that this would actually happen)



that being said...

iamyouknowyours: i like the alternate universe...especially the all naked portion! (growl!)



famer: i agree w/ anya being a key player in the whole time folding thing. she has the power, and she technically has the wish on the table from xander.



dazed&confused: this sounds like something right up the btvs alley. they would definately hold the carrot out in front of us for as long as possible before the actual reunion was allowed to commence.

"You know what's weird?"--W
"Japanese commercials are weird."--T

[xita]

twink, see that's what pens is for To actually go beyond the show and claim them as our own. This thread would still give ME the proprietary rights while we merely "hoped" they changed their minds.

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[Kendahl897]

Ah yes, but we're spoiler whores.. The longer they hold the carrot out just beyond our reach, the longer the ratings will continue to drop....no Tara, won't watch. Tara-will watch (along with my Neilsen household point)

[gspiggott]

Just drop her through the damn ceiling with no further explanation like they did with Angel. No wait , let's do one of those crazy in jokes the kids are so fond of these days. Tara steps out of a big black limo while Joss and Marti dressed as chauffeurs in recently borrowed Firewhy Alliance costumes hold the doors. In a tribute to the spectacularly overrated OMWF Tara can sing the theme from Mighty Mouse. Kittens can sing along at home. Willow sings too.

Or the scoobies are staging a Shakespeare play since Joss loves his work so much. That guy writes almost as well as Joss sometimes.So they're doing the Winter's Tale and the statue at the end is Tara. Then rivers of blood flow.

I'm developing a creeping fear that they might, once someone from the network explains that they can no longer afford to finance's Joss's grand vision. ME won't read the handwriting on the wall but UPN can read it to them.

In all seriousness what will we do if we have to care about this show again?It's so much safer this way.

[Kendahl897]

They can get Glenda the Good Witch to bring her back. They can even get the Wicked Witch, just bring her back.

I think that somehow that cave that Spike when into to get his soul back will play some role if there is a resurrection. There was just too much of a coincidence with what was going on back in Sunnydale and the drawings on the cave wall

[twink]

oh! i like the cave. i haven't given any thought about that. i'll have to watch the ending of it again and take a closer look at the "writing on the wall"--forgive the pun.

"You know what's weird?"--W
"Japanese commercials are weird."--T

[jixer]

Hello Kittens-





Twink, I'm sorry to say this, but if they're going to get Tara back in time to save BtVS, it would have to be now. It could be done with just 30 second bites inserted for now until there could be time to film a real episode.



That would mean ME realized there was a problem AND a solution. But then the vision would be flawed.



We may get Tara version 2.0 to try to buy time for the farce to end on a splat but that's all.



Wish I was wrong,



J

[Sheridan]

I wouldn't be surrpised if at some point in the season ME does float the idea of Tara being resurrected, but at some unacceptable price to Willow, ie give X ' The Key' in exchange for Tara. Yes I know a lot of people don't like Dawn, but Willow would never make that deal, ME get closure and an excuse for Willow to move on. Sorry but that seems the most likely 'resurrection' theory.

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Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Grimlock72]

feck feck feck....blasted ezBoard lost my reply *curse* A shorter version then AGAIN.



There are lots of ways to bring Tara back. However bringing her back is like admitting defeat for Joss so his pride will likely stop him from doing so of his own free will. UPN on the other hand might insist on a show having some profit finally...



The method Tullip used in his fic over at Pens (Glory/Doc) is my favourite because it fits in BuffyVerse really easy and isn't far fetched.



Another method I just thought of, have First Evil morph to Tara and become sorta stuck like that with realTara inside fighting to be good. Inner turmoil and such, she'll need Willow to get over that of course. Lots of story-arcs you can make from that point onwards. It's Tara's turn to have a real story-arc after all.



I still say Joss is to proud to do anything like this though



Sheridan: I doubt having to reject the option to have Tara back (in exchange for who-ever) would give Willow closure really. Besides it would make me hate the who-ever even more.



Grimmy

"Why w-w-would anyone leave Willow?" It was a concept Tara just could not grasp. -- I Dream of Thee by Jomarch

Edited by: Grimlock72 at: 10/9/02 11:50:33 am