And please do not post any spoilers for future episodes in this thread, those belong in the spoiler thread.
by Warduke » Mon Feb 25, 2002 2:25 pm
And please do not post any spoilers for future episodes in this thread, those belong in the spoiler thread.
by Hugin » Mon Feb 25, 2002 6:08 pm
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by Warduke » Mon Feb 25, 2002 6:20 pm
But I will say that Riley was good in this one, I never thought I'd say this but it was good to see him again.
Willow was very cute, as always. The scene between Dawn and her at the Bronze, Dawn was talking to Xander and Anya and then she comes and gives Willow her drink, Willow goes "You know, when I was little, I used to spend hours imagining what my wedding to Xander would be like and now I look at them...I just think nee-hee-hee." Willow was happy to have dodged a real bullet there
The last scene, which of course if Buffy dumping Spike was great, finally, she did the right thing. [This message has been edited by Warduke (edited February 26, 2002).]
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Ok, I just saw Buffy's rejection letter. So, she was rejected because she re-applied too late for this year unless I misread that. If so, then she can always try again, it's not like they turned her down for her qualifications.
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But much WOOO and more HOOO, ya'know because shes in more episodes toward the end of the season.....
It was awsome to see willow being all willowish!! It made me giddy, and there was much rejoicing with my bottle of whine 
All in all it was a good epi, oh and I won't be missing the buffy and spike snogfest either.They might have made a cute couple if all the sex wouldnt have ruined the chances you know? Well and the whole spike being the Doctor factor and all.......
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Buffy just ripped your heart out but you still and always will love her. Of course you love Buffy. How could you not? Hopefully things will heal for you two just as they seem to slowly be on the mend for Tara and Willow. One day, maybe, hopefully, you will sound as chipper and hopeful as Willow did tonight. For now starts the waiting...the wanting...and the unbearable pain of the missing.
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"Hence the happy."
Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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As for Buffy/Spike, Buffy did the right thing- the only thing she could have done. The relationship as it stood was bad for both of them. And I have no idea where it's heading, but IF they do get back together, it'll be in a much healthier, happier relationship. And if they don't (which frankly I think more likely) the foundation of a real friendship (actual respect- especially on Buffy's part) has been built. In the long run, this is the best thing that could have happened for either of them. Yay strong Buffy.
Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
Does anybody feel that Spike isn't actually The Doctor they're really looking for? Could he possibly be in cahoots with Doc (Joel Grey), or am I just reading too much into it?
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I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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Oooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
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Other than that, I agree with you.
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In any event, it wouldn't surprise me. He's called her a bitch before, he called Harmony a bint. It's a phrase that's in his vocabulary. Not being British, while I know it's an insult, I've never been clear on just how vulgar it's considered. But it's not a compliment, that's for sure.
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My sisters a Spikette, If any of you know her its DOL, as you may or may not know most of them are big with the spike slang. SO i trust my big sissy. Shes good like that, .
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Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
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If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
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Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
And I really hope for Buffy that her self esteem issues will decrease and that she'll find some light at the end of the tunnel. Dumping Spike was IMO the first absolutely right thing she did since she came back.
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posted February 26, 2002 20:16 I love ChipperWillow!! That Nee-hee-hee actually made me laugh out loud.Ok, I just saw Buffy's rejection letter. So, she was rejected because she re-applied too late for this year unless I misread that. If so, then she can always try again, it's not like they turned her down for her qualifications.
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It was awsome to see willow being all willowish!! It made me giddy, and there was much rejoicing with my bottle of whine
All in all it was a good epi, oh and I won't be missing the buffy and spike snogfest either.They might have made a cute couple if all the sex wouldnt have ruined the chances you know? Well and the whole spike being the Doctor factor and all.......
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posted February 26, 2002 20:55 Im glad to see there was no Tara in this episode, err umm, God I cant beleive I just said that.But much WOOO and more HOOO, ya'know because shes in more episodes toward the end of the season.....
It was awsome to see willow being all willowish!! It made me giddy, and there was much rejoicing with my bottle of whine
All in all it was a good epi, oh and I won't be missing the buffy and spike snogfest either.They might have made a cute couple if all the sex wouldnt have ruined the chances you know? Well and the whole spike being the Doctor factor and all.......
Buffy just ripped your heart out but you still and always will love her. Of course you love Buffy. How could you not? Hopefully things will heal for you two just as they seem to slowly be on the mend for Tara and Willow. One day, maybe, hopefully, you will sound as chipper and hopeful as Willow did tonight. For now starts the waiting...the wanting...and the unbearable pain of the missing.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:11 Poor William. I cried for you tonight because I felt your pain and I know all too well the hell that you are about to experience. For that is what hell is, having been in the presence of the one you truly love, having shared her life, even in your awkward, incomplete manner, and now being cast out of it like Adam out of Eden.Buffy just ripped your heart out but you still and always will love her. Of course you love Buffy. How could you not? Hopefully things will heal for you two just as they seem to slowly be on the mend for Tara and Willow. One day, maybe, hopefully, you will sound as chipper and hopeful as Willow did tonight. For now starts the waiting...the wanting...and the unbearable pain of the missing.
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"Hence the happy."
Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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As for Buffy/Spike, Buffy did the right thing- the only thing she could have done. The relationship as it stood was bad for both of them. And I have no idea where it's heading, but IF they do get back together, it'll be in a much healthier, happier relationship. And if they don't (which frankly I think more likely) the foundation of a real friendship (actual respect- especially on Buffy's part) has been built. In the long run, this is the best thing that could have happened for either of them. Yay strong Buffy.
Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
Does anybody feel that Spike isn't actually The Doctor they're really looking for? Could he possibly be in cahoots with Doc (Joel Grey), or am I just reading too much into it?
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I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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Oooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
Mods just let me know if I was out of line in expressing my opinions about Spike.
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In any event, it wouldn't surprise me. He's called her a bitch before, he called Harmony a bint. It's a phrase that's in his vocabulary. Not being British, while I know it's an insult, I've never been clear on just how vulgar it's considered. But it's not a compliment, that's for sure.
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My sisters a Spikette, If any of you know her its DOL, as you may or may not know most of them are big with the spike slang. SO i trust my big sissy. Shes good like that, .
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Usually I lurk, and do most of my posting over on the Spike-centric (Although, oddly I'm not really a B/S 'shipper) boards, but I do read here a lot Had to delurk to add this though :
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Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
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If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
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Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
And I really hope for Buffy that her self esteem issues will decrease and that she'll find some light at the end of the tunnel. Dumping Spike was IMO the first absolutely right thing she did since she came back.
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"Hence the happy."
Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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As for Buffy/Spike, Buffy did the right thing- the only thing she could have done. The relationship as it stood was bad for both of them. And I have no idea where it's heading, but IF they do get back together, it'll be in a much healthier, happier relationship. And if they don't (which frankly I think more likely) the foundation of a real friendship (actual respect- especially on Buffy's part) has been built. In the long run, this is the best thing that could have happened for either of them. Yay strong Buffy.
Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
Does anybody feel that Spike isn't actually The Doctor they're really looking for? Could he possibly be in cahoots with Doc (Joel Grey), or am I just reading too much into it?
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I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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Oooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
Mods just let me know if I was out of line in expressing my opinions about Spike.
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Other than that, I agree with you.
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In any event, it wouldn't surprise me. He's called her a bitch before, he called Harmony a bint. It's a phrase that's in his vocabulary. Not being British, while I know it's an insult, I've never been clear on just how vulgar it's considered. But it's not a compliment, that's for sure.
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My sisters a Spikette, If any of you know her its DOL, as you may or may not know most of them are big with the spike slang. SO i trust my big sissy. Shes good like that, .
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Usually I lurk, and do most of my posting over on the Spike-centric (Although, oddly I'm not really a B/S 'shipper) boards, but I do read here a lot Had to delurk to add this though :
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Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
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If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
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Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
And I really hope for Buffy that her self esteem issues will decrease and that she'll find some light at the end of the tunnel. Dumping Spike was IMO the first absolutely right thing she did since she came back.
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"Hence the happy."
Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:19 Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:"Hence the happy."
Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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IP: LoggedKieliSassy Eggs Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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posted February 26, 2002 21:21 I agree with you, Eyes...been there before and that place in Hell sucketh righteously. OTOH, William could've played his cards a little better...however, that's the nature of the beast he is....he doesn't have the benefit of a soul like Angel. Still, he's far better than some of the other vamps.Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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IP: LoggedWiccagrrlGay Now! As for Buffy/Spike, Buffy did the right thing- the only thing she could have done. The relationship as it stood was bad for both of them. And I have no idea where it's heading, but IF they do get back together, it'll be in a much healthier, happier relationship. And if they don't (which frankly I think more likely) the foundation of a real friendship (actual respect- especially on Buffy's part) has been built. In the long run, this is the best thing that could have happened for either of them. Yay strong Buffy.
Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:23 ChipperWillow- yay They are so on the road to getting back together.As for Buffy/Spike, Buffy did the right thing- the only thing she could have done. The relationship as it stood was bad for both of them. And I have no idea where it's heading, but IF they do get back together, it'll be in a much healthier, happier relationship. And if they don't (which frankly I think more likely) the foundation of a real friendship (actual respect- especially on Buffy's part) has been built. In the long run, this is the best thing that could have happened for either of them. Yay strong Buffy.
Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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IP: LoggedRosenbergDoll's Eye Crystal I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
Does anybody feel that Spike isn't actually The Doctor they're really looking for? Could he possibly be in cahoots with Doc (Joel Grey), or am I just reading too much into it?
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posted February 26, 2002 21:24 Did anybody else notice how dark this episode was? Not content-wise, but as far as the lighting was concerned. It seemed like everything took place at night. The only light I noticed was at the very end when Buffy walks out on Spike and the light is shining on her. I have a feeling that was intentional. I'm glad that Buffy may have finally seen the light and realized that her 'relationship' with Spike just isn't very healthy. I hope she'll be strong enough to mean it this time.I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
Does anybody feel that Spike isn't actually The Doctor they're really looking for? Could he possibly be in cahoots with Doc (Joel Grey), or am I just reading too much into it?
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posted February 26, 2002 21:27 I really missed Tara. But I still very much enjoyed this episode. It was good seeing Willow happy and upbeat. Dawn was very understanding and lovely tonight. Buffy was a little down but in the end she came through. And Riley and Sam had some good scenes. I'm glad Buffy ended things with Spike. I hope she will stay away for good. Buffy walking into the sun was cool. This was a good episode. Doug did a great job.------------------
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I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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posted February 26, 2002 21:33 <I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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Oooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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posted February 26, 2002 21:34 What a great ep!! Okay, I did miss Tara very much, but on the other hand, I was very happy with the way she was mentioned by Willow and DawnOooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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posted February 26, 2002 21:34 Buffy walking into the light is *so* symbolic. If nothing else led you to believe that the writers wanted you to see this as a good step for her, that should.IP: LoggedForeverPiperCool Monster Fighter Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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posted February 26, 2002 21:35 I loved the Willow and Dawn chat at the Bronze! Absolutly adorable! And about how she was all happy and everything. She was literally jumping up and down at the very thought of Tara and how she 'wouldn't hang up if she called her'.Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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IP: LoggedThe RoseSassy Eggs Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:38 First, I would like to say it was REALLY, REALLY great to see Riley again. He certainly has not lost any of his attractiveness or edge since the last time he was on. I wish he and Buffy could have stayed together, but I am glad he is happy and is with someone who will appreciate him. On that note, I must say I liked Riley's wife, Sam. She is beautiful, smart, strong and supportive. She did a really good job keeping the deadly monster at bay.Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:45 I'm not familiar with the term in question ("bint") and if it really is something degrading then I am just wrong and that's fine with me, but I have to say that I can't really buy the idea that Spike doesn't respect Buffy. He had to respect her as an enemy and then try very hard to gain her friendship and trust. He now basically adores her. He shows these things very badly (as you'd expect from someone who isn't human or souled and spent all his time until recently with other demons), but my point is that I feel he clearly does respect Buffy. He's not good for her, so I think she made the right call in breaking it off as she did, but he does love her, and he does respect her.Other than that, I agree with you.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:03 When does Spike call Buffy a bint?In any event, it wouldn't surprise me. He's called her a bitch before, he called Harmony a bint. It's a phrase that's in his vocabulary. Not being British, while I know it's an insult, I've never been clear on just how vulgar it's considered. But it's not a compliment, that's for sure.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:04 I belive the term "bint" only means female. But its used in context to suggest disgust or hurt feelings toward a female. Hence spike called buffy a "bint".My sisters a Spikette, If any of you know her its DOL, as you may or may not know most of them are big with the spike slang. SO i trust my big sissy. Shes good like that, .
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Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:09 Hi there!Usually I lurk, and do most of my posting over on the Spike-centric (Although, oddly I'm not really a B/S 'shipper) boards, but I do read here a lot Had to delurk to add this though :
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Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
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If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:16 Good theory, and quite possible. The other possibility is that Spike is the doctor, and his pseudonym was inspired by The Troika's Doctor Who talk in Smashed.If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
IP: LoggedSiWangMuFloating Rose Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:17 Okay, it's crazy, but... really really amazingly plausible. I don't know why. That's a really cool theory. I would be really intrigued if this turned out to be the case. Although I also have to suspend disbelief about Warren having big international connections, it's more his style, it seems like.Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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IP: LoggedaprilMs. Moderator we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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posted February 26, 2002 22:27 this was a good episode in terms of forwarding several major plots. we got to see that dawn is getting over her anger and abandonment issues (okay, not with riley, but at least with buffy). she really does seem much more mature and well-rounded when she's not throwing a temper tantrum.we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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IP: LoggedaladdinCool Monster Fighter If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
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posted February 26, 2002 22:28 Not a great ep...some nice scenes and Buffy dumping Spike, yay! I think I love Sam, she's cool, but I still can't bring myself to feel any emotions for Captain Cardboard. I didn't think he was especially good this time, but I'm sure glad they gave him a nice future. Did I already mention that I love Sam.If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
And I really hope for Buffy that her self esteem issues will decrease and that she'll find some light at the end of the tunnel. Dumping Spike was IMO the first absolutely right thing she did since she came back.
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by GODisTigger » Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:16 pm
Ok, I just saw Buffy's rejection letter. So, she was rejected because she re-applied too late for this year unless I misread that. If so, then she can always try again, it's not like they turned her down for her qualifications.
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by BabyWillow81 » Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:55 pm
But much WOOO and more HOOO, ya'know because shes in more episodes toward the end of the season.....
It was awsome to see willow being all willowish!! It made me giddy, and there was much rejoicing with my bottle of whine
All in all it was a good epi, oh and I won't be missing the buffy and spike snogfest either.They might have made a cute couple if all the sex wouldnt have ruined the chances you know? Well and the whole spike being the Doctor factor and all.......
by Eyes Without A Face » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:11 pm
Buffy just ripped your heart out but you still and always will love her. Of course you love Buffy. How could you not? Hopefully things will heal for you two just as they seem to slowly be on the mend for Tara and Willow. One day, maybe, hopefully, you will sound as chipper and hopeful as Willow did tonight. For now starts the waiting...the wanting...and the unbearable pain of the missing.
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by kakamabee* » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:13 pm
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Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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As for Buffy/Spike, Buffy did the right thing- the only thing she could have done. The relationship as it stood was bad for both of them. And I have no idea where it's heading, but IF they do get back together, it'll be in a much healthier, happier relationship. And if they don't (which frankly I think more likely) the foundation of a real friendship (actual respect- especially on Buffy's part) has been built. In the long run, this is the best thing that could have happened for either of them. Yay strong Buffy.
Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
Does anybody feel that Spike isn't actually The Doctor they're really looking for? Could he possibly be in cahoots with Doc (Joel Grey), or am I just reading too much into it?
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I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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Oooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
Mods just let me know if I was out of line in expressing my opinions about Spike.
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Other than that, I agree with you.
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In any event, it wouldn't surprise me. He's called her a bitch before, he called Harmony a bint. It's a phrase that's in his vocabulary. Not being British, while I know it's an insult, I've never been clear on just how vulgar it's considered. But it's not a compliment, that's for sure.
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My sisters a Spikette, If any of you know her its DOL, as you may or may not know most of them are big with the spike slang. SO i trust my big sissy. Shes good like that, .
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Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
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If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
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Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
And I really hope for Buffy that her self esteem issues will decrease and that she'll find some light at the end of the tunnel. Dumping Spike was IMO the first absolutely right thing she did since she came back.
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"Hence the happy."
Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:19 Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:"Hence the happy."
Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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IP: LoggedKieliSassy Eggs Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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posted February 26, 2002 21:21 I agree with you, Eyes...been there before and that place in Hell sucketh righteously. OTOH, William could've played his cards a little better...however, that's the nature of the beast he is....he doesn't have the benefit of a soul like Angel. Still, he's far better than some of the other vamps.Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:23 ChipperWillow- yay They are so on the road to getting back together.As for Buffy/Spike, Buffy did the right thing- the only thing she could have done. The relationship as it stood was bad for both of them. And I have no idea where it's heading, but IF they do get back together, it'll be in a much healthier, happier relationship. And if they don't (which frankly I think more likely) the foundation of a real friendship (actual respect- especially on Buffy's part) has been built. In the long run, this is the best thing that could have happened for either of them. Yay strong Buffy.
Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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IP: LoggedRosenbergDoll's Eye Crystal I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:24 Did anybody else notice how dark this episode was? Not content-wise, but as far as the lighting was concerned. It seemed like everything took place at night. The only light I noticed was at the very end when Buffy walks out on Spike and the light is shining on her. I have a feeling that was intentional. I'm glad that Buffy may have finally seen the light and realized that her 'relationship' with Spike just isn't very healthy. I hope she'll be strong enough to mean it this time.I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
Does anybody feel that Spike isn't actually The Doctor they're really looking for? Could he possibly be in cahoots with Doc (Joel Grey), or am I just reading too much into it?
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I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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posted February 26, 2002 21:33 <I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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Oooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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posted February 26, 2002 21:34 What a great ep!! Okay, I did miss Tara very much, but on the other hand, I was very happy with the way she was mentioned by Willow and DawnOooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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posted February 26, 2002 21:34 Buffy walking into the light is *so* symbolic. If nothing else led you to believe that the writers wanted you to see this as a good step for her, that should.IP: LoggedForeverPiperCool Monster Fighter Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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posted February 26, 2002 21:35 I loved the Willow and Dawn chat at the Bronze! Absolutly adorable! And about how she was all happy and everything. She was literally jumping up and down at the very thought of Tara and how she 'wouldn't hang up if she called her'.Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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IP: LoggedThe RoseSassy Eggs Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:38 First, I would like to say it was REALLY, REALLY great to see Riley again. He certainly has not lost any of his attractiveness or edge since the last time he was on. I wish he and Buffy could have stayed together, but I am glad he is happy and is with someone who will appreciate him. On that note, I must say I liked Riley's wife, Sam. She is beautiful, smart, strong and supportive. She did a really good job keeping the deadly monster at bay.Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
Mods just let me know if I was out of line in expressing my opinions about Spike.
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posted February 26, 2002 21:45 I'm not familiar with the term in question ("bint") and if it really is something degrading then I am just wrong and that's fine with me, but I have to say that I can't really buy the idea that Spike doesn't respect Buffy. He had to respect her as an enemy and then try very hard to gain her friendship and trust. He now basically adores her. He shows these things very badly (as you'd expect from someone who isn't human or souled and spent all his time until recently with other demons), but my point is that I feel he clearly does respect Buffy. He's not good for her, so I think she made the right call in breaking it off as she did, but he does love her, and he does respect her.Other than that, I agree with you.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:03 When does Spike call Buffy a bint?In any event, it wouldn't surprise me. He's called her a bitch before, he called Harmony a bint. It's a phrase that's in his vocabulary. Not being British, while I know it's an insult, I've never been clear on just how vulgar it's considered. But it's not a compliment, that's for sure.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:04 I belive the term "bint" only means female. But its used in context to suggest disgust or hurt feelings toward a female. Hence spike called buffy a "bint".My sisters a Spikette, If any of you know her its DOL, as you may or may not know most of them are big with the spike slang. SO i trust my big sissy. Shes good like that, .
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Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:09 Hi there!Usually I lurk, and do most of my posting over on the Spike-centric (Although, oddly I'm not really a B/S 'shipper) boards, but I do read here a lot Had to delurk to add this though :
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Originally posted by SiWangMu:
Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
PF26
If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:16 Good theory, and quite possible. The other possibility is that Spike is the doctor, and his pseudonym was inspired by The Troika's Doctor Who talk in Smashed.If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
IP: LoggedSiWangMuFloating Rose Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:17 Okay, it's crazy, but... really really amazingly plausible. I don't know why. That's a really cool theory. I would be really intrigued if this turned out to be the case. Although I also have to suspend disbelief about Warren having big international connections, it's more his style, it seems like.Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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IP: LoggedaprilMs. Moderator we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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posted February 26, 2002 22:27 this was a good episode in terms of forwarding several major plots. we got to see that dawn is getting over her anger and abandonment issues (okay, not with riley, but at least with buffy). she really does seem much more mature and well-rounded when she's not throwing a temper tantrum.we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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IP: LoggedaladdinCool Monster Fighter If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
And I really hope for Buffy that her self esteem issues will decrease and that she'll find some light at the end of the tunnel. Dumping Spike was IMO the first absolutely right thing she did since she came back.
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posted February 26, 2002 22:28 Not a great ep...some nice scenes and Buffy dumping Spike, yay! I think I love Sam, she's cool, but I still can't bring myself to feel any emotions for Captain Cardboard. I didn't think he was especially good this time, but I'm sure glad they gave him a nice future. Did I already mention that I love Sam.If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
And I really hope for Buffy that her self esteem issues will decrease and that she'll find some light at the end of the tunnel. Dumping Spike was IMO the first absolutely right thing she did since she came back.
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by SiWangMu » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:19 pm
"Hence the happy."
Dance of Joy!! That was utterly adorable.
I actually really really enjoyed this episode. It went by more quickly than one has in a long time (a compliment to it, but no fun for me going "Wait, there's no more?") although I've been enjoying every week. In the shock department, Riley was onscreen and I was RIVETED every time. Who could have seen that coming? I felt bad for all in-pieces Buffy, but he was so nice about it I didn't really mind. I was loving the honesty and general friendly-like affection. Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
*this is less a serious criticism of the plot tonight than me going "poot. I was starting to like him"*
Ah, well. I don't write the show. Which is sad for me, but great for everybody else in the world .
Sam... I was kinda weirded. Her particular manner of speech seemed kind of unusual, I kept catching myself listening for an accent. That's not what I was ambivalent about, sorry. I guess overall she's not my new best friend, but if the Scooby Gang (and Buffy) likes her, I'm cool with her.
Oh, plus, Dawn was very cool tonight. It was nice to see her "all grown-up" as Sam put it, more or less, can't remember exactly. And the closure with Riley felt good.
Can't wait to watch the course of Buffy's future.
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by Kieli » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:21 pm
Overall though I have to say this ep disappointed me (well with the exception of the few W/T eps there have been, the whole season is so giving me a sense of deja vu....didn't XWP go down this road too? The last few eps sucking tremendously??). I felt like Riley showing up really meant nothing at all...it had no purpose. It was just filler...very throwaway. *sigh* Ah well, better put on my flame retardant undies...I'm gonna get heat fer this
Here's to wishing for better times ahead for the Scoobs (and for the love of God, better episodes).
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Willow from Dacia's The Dreamer Awakes
by Wiccagrrl » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:23 pm
As for Buffy/Spike, Buffy did the right thing- the only thing she could have done. The relationship as it stood was bad for both of them. And I have no idea where it's heading, but IF they do get back together, it'll be in a much healthier, happier relationship. And if they don't (which frankly I think more likely) the foundation of a real friendship (actual respect- especially on Buffy's part) has been built. In the long run, this is the best thing that could have happened for either of them. Yay strong Buffy.
Oh, and as for Riley's showing back up being pointless, it was totally pointy. It was a very sharp contrast to the mess that had become Buffy's life- her love life, her work. And it gave her the kick in the behind to make a move to make things better.
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by Rosenberg » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:24 pm
I loved seeing Willow giddy at the thought of calling Tara. She realizes it might still be a little too soon for socializing, but it seems that she has a plan in mind and she's almost ready to put it into action. It's good to see Willow and Dawn on good terms. Dawn was almost as excited as Willow at the prospect of getting together with Tara. I think she'd be quite happy to see her two surrogate Moms back together.
I liked the way Sam gave encouragement to Willow by letting her know that she believed Willow was strong enough to overcome her addiction. You could see by Willow's expression that it meant a lot to her. I hope the two of them stay in email contact. I thought Sam was a pretty strong female character, and I liked her role in this episode. She's also not bad to look at. And Willow standing by Buffy by preparing to dislike Sam was nice to see. I even kind of missed Riley, although that might be a minority opinion. It was good to see him again.
Buffy wasn't rejected by UC Sunnydale because of academic requirements. It looked like the letter said that her application was received too late. Maybe she can try again next semester. It looks like her 'career' at the Double Meat is over after walking out on her shift.
Does anybody feel that Spike isn't actually The Doctor they're really looking for? Could he possibly be in cahoots with Doc (Joel Grey), or am I just reading too much into it?
by Errol » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:27 pm
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by SiWangMu » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:33 pm
I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to just edit my post above but I would feel weird responding to something below me, I think...
This is not intended to be heat, btw, merely the happy glow of, ah, lively discourse? (Argh, seems like a bad spark.com reference... discourse like burning?)
Anyway, I felt like Riley's appearance, and this episode in general, did contribute something special to the show. Not only did his return provide something of peaceful closure to Buffy's last love (not last like final, last like previous), it served a crucial role in the development of X/A's romance as well as providing the counterpoint Buffy felt she needed to see things she'd been denying about her relationship with Spike. Also, Buffy really hasn't been feeling like "a hell of a woman." Maybe she can successfully make the mental transition from "dead" to "living human" to "really special human that she is" with the help of Riley and Sam's visit. I missed Tara but I agree that it'll be good to have more of her later in exchange. Plus, for those who like to see the whole battling-of-weekly-monsters, there was that kind of goodness. Overall I felt it was meaningful to the specific plotlines nad the general trend of the season. (Riley has come into his own, has grown up, has moved on, and basically says "It'll be okay, Buffy." Come to think of it, he was kinda the Tara here... only not as cute)
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by wiltar » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:34 pm
Oooh, I'm getting all giddy and nervous for their actual reunion
*edited to say: Oh yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that Buffy's death wasn't mentioned. I mean, did Riley know about it, or was he clueless?
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by Wiccagrrl » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:34 pm
by ForeverPiper » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:35 pm
Also, I loved how Willow's being all friendly and all to Sam (who I actually liked, by the way)and then when she left she's all "What a bitch" LOVED IT! Was laughing for like 5 minutes. Well...not 5 minutes but it really was funny.
I also liked how Sam asked Willow to do the spell and Willow said she couldn't because she was an addict. That was actually the first time she ever said that she was actually an addict. Really! She's never actaully said it before. And how Sam made her feel better. I loved it. I actually loved pretty much the whole episode. It was still good, even without Tara being in there. Next week's episode will make up for that though! Definetly!
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by The Rose » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:38 pm
Second, I am exceedingly glad Willow is smiling that Willow smile of hers again.
She is so cute when talks about how well things are going with Tara. It won't be long now folks. W/T will be back together and happy.
Third, Spike, Spike, Spike. He proves once again that he has not and will not change. Did you hear when he called Buffy a BINT? Isn't this a British term that degrades women? He shows he has no respect for Buffy. Speaking of Buffy, I am glad she realizes how self-destructive she is being, and I hope she keeps her word and stays away from an abusive and destructive unrelationship. Buffy is slowly taking steps in getting her life back together.
Do we know if she quit her job? She just walks out without checking with the manager. if so, what is she going to do now? I just thought I would throw this question out. I'll be glad to hear what other people think.
Mods just let me know if I was out of line in expressing my opinions about Spike.
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Tara: Willow, I got so lost.
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by SiWangMu » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:45 pm
Other than that, I agree with you.
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by Wiccagrrl » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:03 pm
In any event, it wouldn't surprise me. He's called her a bitch before, he called Harmony a bint. It's a phrase that's in his vocabulary. Not being British, while I know it's an insult, I've never been clear on just how vulgar it's considered. But it's not a compliment, that's for sure.
by BabyWillow81 » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:04 pm
My sisters a Spikette, If any of you know her its DOL, as you may or may not know most of them are big with the spike slang. SO i trust my big sissy. Shes good like that, .
by PF26 » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:09 pm
Usually I lurk, and do most of my posting over on the Spike-centric (Although, oddly I'm not really a B/S 'shipper) boards, but I do read here a lot Had to delurk to add this though :
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Originally posted by SiWangMu:
Okay, Okay, I wanna be the first to say it:Spike... was Spike, so I guess that was kinda the point of the episode. And yeah, sure, now we know how he's financially solvent, whatever, I'm kinda sad they had to make a big thing out of how he's still the same. Just that, I mean, where does he get those kinda contacts now anyway? I mean, demons, with their trustiness, they're really buying him as a business associate when he's more or less a demon-hunter now?
I figured it out! Spike's not 'The Doctor' and 'The Doctor' is *not* a demon -- it makes total sense!
'The Doctor' = Doctor Who = Warren and the Troika.
With how cut off from the Scoobs Spike has been this season (Not like he and Buffy actually talk lately) I doubt he actually knows the Troika are 'supervillians'. Warren (who he already knows, and probably thinks of as a geeky teenager) probably hired/recruited him to 'eggsit'.
'The Doctor' is just too obviously a Geek Trio MO.
I really loved seeing Willow being back to 'Willow' again, and I think, in a way, Same helped with that -- I actually kind of liked Mrs. Finn.
PF26
by Wiccagrrl » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:16 pm
If he has hooked up with them, though, that's not a good sign for Spike or B/S.
Third possibility is that Spike is the Doctor, and that his name was actually inspired by Doc, which is an even creepier suggestion, so I'll stop now.
by SiWangMu » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:17 pm
Re: the "bint" thing, having thought about it further, I'd sum it up as: Spike's actions and words are not always respectful, because that's who he is, but it seems clear that he does indeed respect and love Buffy deep inside his non-beating heart. Not that that's an excuse for his manner, but just saying.
On another note, I'm going to try and not post so much, I'm probably getting on people's nerves. Sorry!
EDITED: and having said that, still can't shut up. In terms of the Spike hooking up with Troika/bad thing for B/S idea, I'd say that if it were true, it might help that Spike hadn't actually planned to make a fortune by trafficking dangerous evil alien-monsters (okay, they just look like it). It might have been that Warren said "You owe me a favor," Spike said "Yeah, right," Warren said "We have money," and Spike said "Why not?"
As was pointed out, he wouldn't really expect the big bad from Warren. Plus, to my admittedly gullible ears, he seemed genuinely confused by the Doctor talk.
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by april » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:27 pm
we saw that riley finally got over buffy, but retained his appreciation of strong, powerful women. sam was likable enough, although i didn't really like the actress and they gave her some *horribly* cheesy lines. but they probably did that on purpose, to highlight the too-good-to-be-true qualities of her marriage with riley it was easy for buffy to start feeling bad about herself when faced with someone who seemed so perfect.
and buffy finally realized that a relationship she was too ashamed to tell anyone about, a relationship where she admitted to just using her partner and not really loving him, was not healthy and not the right thing for her to do. regardless of people's personal opinions about B/S, the relationship clearly did not make buffy feel good about herself and what she was doing, and because of that, she had to end it. i feel sorry for spike - i get the sense he was really trying to be the kind of man buffy wanted, but he's just never going to get there.
and yay for willow cuteness and the signs of hope pointing to a w/t reunion! i'm also happy to see that dawn is a hardcore w/t shipper.
and finally, we got more xander/anya wedding planning. judging from the preview, next week's ep is going to be a blast, even WITH those hideous green dresses. i can't wait.
edited to add: and god i hope buffy quit that loser-ass job. she can SO do better!
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by aladdin » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:28 pm
If Xander and Anya are going on like that, they'll die at the end of the season just because of high cholesterol. Willow was incredibly cute the whole episode...the thing about carrying Buffy's hate for Sam and especially the scene with Dawn just made me melt. Isn't that how we imagined it in the fan fics, Willow winning Tara back slowly? (although I read some, uhm, quicker attempts of reconciliation) Alyson just beams at you and you want to be her best friend, lover or maybe even just her coffee mug. What a great actress!
And I really hope for Buffy that her self esteem issues will decrease and that she'll find some light at the end of the tunnel. Dumping Spike was IMO the first absolutely right thing she did since she came back.
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by xita » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:30 pm
Spike may love Buffy and treat her and those she love well but his nature is still not one of a person who does good for all. That is what this episode was about.
by Kalita » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:33 pm
And, if it's another kind of 'growing up' moment, she was the dump-er. She's been the dump-ee with Angel, and Riley, and even Parker...
Also good to see more Slayer Repartee(TM) again, that's 2 weeks in a row.
And then, there's Mr. Finn. The scar is an interesting touch, and you gotta love his cool government-issue gear. I think I actually missed that.
Quick question: Why did Riley and the missus get the shiny hard-breastplate armor, while Buffy just got a glorified turtleneck?
Sam was a bit of an enigma for me on a few points. At first I wasn't sure if she was trustworthy; in a couple scenes, she looked very Buffy-ish, and that got me wondering about Riley's taste in ladies; and then a one point she sounded a bit like Tara, and weirded me out. In the end, she was just Riley's better half, no more no less. Huh.
Nice exit, too. I want a helicopter.
by SiWangMu » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:37 pm
He holds some weird things for an acquaintance for cash, obviously doesn't know much about them or they wouldn't have hatched in his crypt. He's not doing the selling anyway.
I'm not saying that's what happened, just that that would have painted a very different picture of him. I still think it was probably the best decision on Buffy's part to break it off. At least she didn't say "You're beneath me"
Moderators, someone, please let me know if I need to calm down the posting, it's just I so love responding to everyone's thoughts and comments.
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by CPS Boy » Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:39 pm
Bint, noun. Brit 1855, Girl, Woman.
Thats all it says, but I have to imagine that there is a negative conotation. Maybe some of our English friends could help us out here.... Certainly the way Spike uses it is nagative......
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The good fight, aye?
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