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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Still Waters T » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:40 pm

Just to add to my previous post of why I'm not giving up hope that SS may stay for S4:
"The L Word -- A Fanisode" contest results
Leslie Wither Samenuk of Cleveland Heights is among the winners of a script contest for the Showtime series "The L Word."

"The L Word -- A Fanisode" contest invites fans of the cable-television series to submit original scenes and vote at http://www.LwordFanisode.com. At the end of each week, the most popular fan-written scene will be added to a fan-written script in progress. The contest started in February and runs through Friday, March 31.

Wither Samenuk's segment involves the characters Shane (Katherine Moennig), Carmen (Sarah Shahi) and Jenny (Mia Kirshner). Her winning entry was among about 100 scripts submitted during the week of March 6.

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At the end of the contest, the completed script will be published as a free commemorative eZine, or downloadable digital magazine. The script will not be filmed as part of the show's upcoming third season, but Showtime reserves the right to film it in the future.


And PlanetOut.com had this to say:
In other "L Word" casting news, Sarah Shahi (Carmen) is also heading to prime-time network TV. Don't panic: She's not leaving "The L Word," but she is set to co-star in "Teachers," a new NBC comedy set in a high school. You can catch Shahi playing what's likely to be the hottest teacher in television history when the first episode airs March 28.

So, although I'm not convinced one way or another of her staying/leaving TLW, I'd like to hope that she'll stay. And wait until we have some actual proof (like say a preview of S4, or news from Sho.com or Sarah Shahi) before I'm convinced that she will/won't be in S4.

Here's the link: Sarah Shahi

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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby LesbianJedi87 » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:58 pm

Then what's the point of having a fan write an episode? Wish they woulda done that for Buffy!!

Sarah staying on TLW isn't gonna help much for next season. But I'll still watch it in the hope's that something amazing will happen and the show will become fabulous again.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Ben Varkentine » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:44 pm

Am I just cynical, or does anyone else think having fans write an episode is confirmation (as if more were needed) that they're lost creatively?
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby LesbianJedi87 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:37 pm

You're definatly not wrong about that.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby SySnootles » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:35 pm

Ben Varkentine wrote:Am I just cynical, or does anyone else think having fans write an episode is confirmation (as if more were needed) that they're lost creatively?

I disagree. I see it more as a marketing ploy than an act of desperation involving a lack of creativity.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Ben Varkentine » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:07 pm

I'd argue that the very act of sacrificing the creative movement of your show to a bunch of ameteurs for a marketing ploy...is in itself evidence of desperation and a lack of creativity.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Still Waters T » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:33 pm

I disagree also. And I wouldn't call some fan fic writers amateurs. :shy Have you read some of the fan fics posted on say the-it-girl, the L word Fan Fiction and The L Word: Shane & Carmen? :eyebrow

Granted, maybe IC and her team lack creativity, but maybe they don't and just wanted to use it as a marketing ploy; who knows? But I considered/still consider it to be a good idea, cos there are some truly amazing fan fic writers out there.

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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Alcy » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:30 pm

I disagree as well, I think the fact that they have done this (even though it is a marketing ploy clearly!) is exciting for the fans.

With shows that attract fanatical and dedicated followers like Buffy, l Word, Star Trek, Xena etc, there always comes a large mass of fan fiction. A lot of it is terrible but some of it is amazingly well written. The amount of work that goes into something these people don't get paid for but do because they love a show is commendable. Often people are rewarded with feedback (a la the Kitten) but to have your fic win a competition recognised by the show itself would be huge. for most fan fic writers that would be a dream come true.

I don't think that this competition is saying anything about the writers of the show (and I've criticised them many times in previous posts!) but rather that the makers are trying to understand their audience and keep them excited about the L word.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Shy One » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:10 am

Hi everyone,

I used to love The L Word. That is, until they started writing everyone
seriously out of character. The whole Bette and Tina thing is getting incredibly irritating. Either break them up for good, or get them back together already. I'm also sick and tired of ANY and ALL story lines
that have anything to do with Jenny. :happy
But the thing that has really pissed me off was IC killing off Dana.
That was completely unnecessary. I loved Dana. She was my
favorite character because she is the one I most identified with.
And her interactions with the rest of the cast, especially Lara, Shane,
and Alice were what kept me coming back.
There's an online petition "Bring Dana Back" and I wanted to post a link
to it for any other fans of Dana/Erin who'd like to see her back on The L Word. It may not convince IC of her incredible stupidity, but I'd like
her to know what we, the fans, think.
So, Please, take a moment to sign this petition.

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/ripdana/

Thanks, everyone!

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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby gspiggott » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:44 pm

Considering that they've already tried to market belt buckles and a fragrance this seems like one more gimmick that doesn't address the show's deeper problem of having the most pretentious and untalented writing staff currently working in Hollywood . If they spent less time thinking about ersatz marketing and more time about trying to tell a coherent and involving story they might do better.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby maudmac » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:14 am

Yep. That Dana thing was beyond stupid. Dana was the character most people who watch the show could relate to. There was no reason to kill her off. Back when the rumors started, I read that Erin wanted to leave the show. I thought it would be better to just move Dana away or something, but I couldn't begrudge Erin wanting off the show. After it became clear that she did not want to leave (and that Kate and Leisha fought to keep her), it made me angry. What the fuck is wrong with TV show people that they're so in love with killing off characters?

Speaking of that, I just read an article at cnn.com about Naveen Andrews from Lost. In talking about the death of Shannon not too long after she and Sayid had begun their relationship, he said it was, "brutal and completely unnecessary. I fail to understand, actually, why they feel this need to get rid of people." Sound familiar?

I know The L Word has lost some loyal viewers, not even just the devoted Dana/Erin fans. I've thought about why I still want to watch it. For me, I think it's partly about the few glimmering moments that happen every now and then, increasingly rarely of late, that remind me of how good the show could be if it really tried. An example from the finale would be the scene when Carmen's trying on her wedding dress and they're all talking about Tina going back to boystown. Carmen says something like "Tina, come back to us," and Bette says something like, "They can fucking have her!" Snap! I loved that. Also good from the end of the season were all those Dana flashbacks. Someone please tell me why we couldn't have had that Dana before she died? Doing acid with Shane at that Tegan and Sara show...I really would have loved to've seen that without the contamination of knowing Dana was dying/dead. Better yet, don't fucking kill her to begin with. So lame, so lame.

The only way to get Dana/Erin back would be to pull a Dallas or something of that nature, and I just don't see them doing that. I had such deja vu when there were all those "the last few eps are just a dream" spoilers going around toward the end there. It hurt to see devoted Dana/Erin fans so in need of hope, and they have my sympathies. I think the Kittens can relate. And that is exactly why I have resisted getting really emotionally invested in television shows or characters for a few years now.

It has been a pleasure watching actors like Mia and Leisha do their thing, and a pleasure to watch Sarah at all. So unbelievably beautiful, she is. I really think Leisha totally carried this whole last season, even though she was given some seriously shitty storylines. And poor Mia had to spend most of the season occupying the same space as Daniela Sea, who is probably the worst actor I have ever seen on TV. I was embarrassed for her. She should never have been cast.

This is just conjecture on my part, but I think the problem lately with The L Word is ezgirl's influence. I find ezgirl to be untalented and arrogant. I think since IC and ezgirl fell into bed with each other, IC quit listening to the voices of reason around her. (And it was probably always those voices of reason who kept the show from being even worse.) I always had issues with this show, which I've posted about before, but they were usually sort of political/social issues relating to the representation, or lack of, of various sorts of people. I had some problems with the overall structure, but I don't remember thinking the nuts-and-bolts of the writing or acting on the show was ever particularly shitty like so much of it was this season.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Shy One » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:05 pm

Thanks Maudmac and I_Love_Danish.

It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who's upset about Dana being killed off.
Personally, I would have rather seen Jenny go. I find her intensely irritating. She has more issues than TV Guide. I really thought Tim hit the nail on the head when he told his wife that the next time they see Jenny she'll probably be with a German Shepard.

The only realistic character growth that I've seen is with Shane. How she's gone from being the queen of one night stands to being in a real relationship with Carmen. I like Carmen and I think her and Shane look good together. However, I'm sure that IC will find a way to fuck that up, too.

I hate what they did to Alice too. I'm glad that Dana got back together with Lara because it's obvious that they were meant to be. I wish Alice and Dana had never gotten involved because it destroyed the awesome chemistry those two had as best friends.
And what the hell are they trying to do with this Uta Refson thing? At first I thought it was funny that Alice actually thought she was real, but when she lifted Alice off the floor, I was like "What the fuck?" Is this Buffy/X-Files or is this TLW?

As for Max/Moira, I wouldn't be surprised if she disappeared next season after getting dumped by psycho Jenny.

Of course, I won't be watching the show. I just can't. This is the way I felt after Joss Whedon killed Tara. Her and Willow go through all this crap, finally get back together, and then BAM - senseless death.
So I'm going through that all over again.

Oh well. It's just a TV show, right?

BTW - At this point, I wouldn't care if TLW pulled a Dallas "dream season" and brought Dana back. Hell, they have a vampire now, why not bring a couple of lesbian witches in to do a spell and bring her back from the dead? ;-)

I just hope that this Dana thing bites IC in the ass.

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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby WillowRTaraM1 » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:58 pm

oh man, the passing of Dana splits my heart in two. I feel that the brest cancer storyline was a fantastic one.. what a great character arc!! except... when they killed her off at the end of it?? I did not see it coming. I disgaree with it completely and Im pissed off about it. It would have been so much more comforting and empowering for The L word to air a story about cancer and then TRIUMPH.. SURVIIVAL!! Breast cancer patients do not need this message.. they need hope. I feel terrible also for the cast.. especially Erin Daniels. They are like a family.. its clear that they are not so happy about losing a huge part of that family.

and Alice... oh god I feel for her most of all. Shes completely broken.. I just dont know what could bring her out of the slump.

Jenny... I didnt mind her this season.. I actually thought she came off as intelligent and interesting (dodges tomatoes)

One of my favorite story lines this season was Kit and Angus... I love that man!!!! Oh they are so damn cute together... I love them both.

Although I am heart broken about Dana... I will be tuning into season 4 without fail
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Alcy » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:38 am

Spoiler:
I don't know if anyone else has been reading the latest L-Word 'sprack' and the fan discussion over at televisionwithoutpity.com but it is seriously disheartening and disturbing.

Firstly, there's that wonderful interview with IC refering to Elizabeth Ziff (aka Betty and EZslag) and I quote:
"...Elizabeth Ziff, who now has become my right hand and who really can run with the show creatively"
I can't find the vomit emoticon so this one will have to do... :fit2

And the 'sprack', it's so terrible I refuse to believe that it's actually true. The Papi character sounds like a retard and here was poor lil ole me hoping that Lauren Lee Smith would stick around and become a regular...nope, I'm not going to get that lucky.

Does anyone else feel quite so strongly? I feel I have a right to be pissed off given that it's supposed to be a show about 'us' as lesbians, but all it seems to do is misrepresent us as lying, cheating, skanky ho-bags.


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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby PrincessPeeper » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:18 pm

A new character!

http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2006/04/28/1555642-ap.html

I like the sound of that!
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby ambercissism » Sun May 28, 2006 2:13 am

I’ve been watching the third season lately (thanks to Youtube), and when the ninth episode finished, I decided to stop watching. From all the things that I’ve read on how the last season ended, I decided to save myself from the frustration and angst of seeing it. Well, maybe I’ll watch the remaining episodes after my frustration subsided.

I think third season was the worst season ever. Don’t get me wrong, but when I started watching TLW, I was happy and excited that somebody came up with a great TV show about lesbians. But after seeing the last season I lost my faith to its creator. Luckily, I don’t have any particular favorite pair in the show and “didn’t invest too much” emotions to any of them, or else I might be “devastated” again.

Killing Dana’s character was really the dumbest thing to do. And breast cancer?! Geez, I’m not expert on cancer, but from all the things that I’ve read and heard, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it’s the easiest cancer to detect and cure. Coz I’ve known people who had breast cancer and survived. They could have just at least used “some other methods or disease” if they want to get rid off Dana… And as for the Alice-Dana-Lara thing I think Dana was a lucky woman to have two persons loving her unconditionally. I really don’t know which pair’s the best: Dana/Lara or Dana/Alice. Lara and Alice are both genuine loving person. So, I’m not choosing. With regards to Dana not wanting Lara to be by her side while she’s in that difficult stage of her life, it’s convincing, in a sense that maybe Dana was feeling a bit self-conscious coz during that time Lara was the one she was intimate with. I think she doesn’t want Lara to see her in her weakest moment, that’s why she shoved her away. As much as she loves Lara, I think Dana wants someone she’s comfortable and secured with, and that’s where the presence of a best friend plays an important role in life. Luckily for Dana, Alice loves her both as a best friend and as a lover. I just find it stupid that the writer’s of TLW sent Lara in Paris. What were they thinking?! It’s normal that Dana would be cranky and grumpy, and Lara would feel “lost” and would have a hard time dealing with Dana’s moods, but even if she couldn’t take the crankiness of Dana, I don’t think a “psychologically normal” loving person like Lara would travel to Paris to escape her girlfriend’s crankiness, specially when she knew that her girlfriend’s very sick. Where’s the common sense here?!

Why's it that all of a sudden, Helena was sympathetic and less bitchy? The only thing I like watching in this last season were Carmen and Shane, I admire Carmen for being patient and direct to the point. But I doubt if she and Shane’s gonna have a happy ending. Alice’s so funny and cute, as always. I think her character made season three a bit bearable to watch. Tina and Bette’s situation was getting worse. TLW writers should have let Tina explore this feeling that she was having towards the opposite sex before she decided to have a baby with Bette. It’s not helping the image of gay community. IC should have made something positive about creating a loving lesbian family, and not a destructive one.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby SJ » Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:53 am

UK Kittens,The L Word S3 is on Living TV July 19 10 pm.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Candleshoe » Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:50 am

Ooh, thank you SJ!

*runs off to pester friends with Living to invite me round to their house a lot more*
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby WillowsGirlXX » Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:17 pm

I heard that Karina Lombard is returning to the L Word. I read it on Afterellen today. Great news i had a crush on her.

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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby LesbianJedi87 » Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:00 pm

ya serious? why would they do that?!
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby WillowsGirlXX » Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:52 pm

Not sure why but they have comfirmed her being in the show.

http://www.afterellen.com/TV/2006/7/karina.html

I'm glad she is coming back though i liked her.

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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby SJ » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:07 am

UK Kittens,Living TV is is showing a trailer saying The L Word S3 is on July 22nd 10 pm
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby Carnival Kid » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:06 am

As a UK viewer I caught my first glimpse of the L Word season 3 on Saturday on Living TV. I had no idea it was starting back as I've avoided looking on this thread for fear of spoilers, so it was a pleasant surprise to find it had returned. Or was it....

My first reaction to the show was, "Who the hell are those people?".

It's the same actor's, the characters go by the same name, but the similarity ended there for the most part.

Helena - Who was funny and deeply concerned about her friend Alice, in fact seemed to be the only one who was. A very nice character all round. Her scenes with Alice were my favourite of the first episode. But she's not the same selfish, self involved bitch of last year. How in the hell did that personality transplant happen? And if anyone knows where such operations are available I'll be sure to start saving the pennies so that my boss can have one too.

Alice - my favourite character, always a bit ditzy but had never gotten close to the point of full blown insanity. How did she turn from being a savvy, funny writer who was aware of her self worth issues to this wreck of a woman? Who knows? The writers couldn't be bothered writting what would be a very complex story line so put it in the prologue in a very, "It happened, we're not explaining how, just accept it and enjoy the show!", kind of way. Ridiculous.

Dana - Surely Dana wouldn't leave her best friend an emotional cripple? Apparently she would according to the writers. I'm not convinced. How did she get from the supernice girl who wouldn't say boo to a goose (no idea what that phrase means, but my Aunt used to say it about people like Dana) to someone who cheats on their girlfriend and then cuts and runs before things get messy so that she doesn't have to deal with the consequences of her actions.

Lara - Didn't see enough of her to form an opinion but seemed okay on the whole.

Shane and Carmen - Pretty much the same, no complaints there. A bit worried that the show's going to be quite boring without Shane's often disasterous shag of the week. But they're a good couple and Carmen is an excellent addition to the show. Big thumbs up there.

Bette and Tina - "Oh, Bette and Tina are on, does anyone want a cup of tea?" I'm not the biggest fan and missed quite a bit of their stuff. Is Tina going to sleep with that guy? Also, who hell he?

Jenny - Not in it much. As long as the show continues to limit her screen time like this I'll be a happy. Although for the screen time she had she seemed a strong, confident young woman. How did that happen? Apparently her home town has the best therapist in all of the land so it need be explained no further, accept it and enjoy the show! Probably still as mad as a bag of ferrits. Will need to see if she continues to be less annoying.

Also, is Jenny's Mum Lois Lane from the first Superman movie? (original, not new)

Moira - Me like. She doesn't talk in the way I would have expected from someone with her physical appearance and thus prejudices I didn't know I had were challenged. I like shows that do that to me. Sadly I feel this may have been an unintentional accident of casting rather than a brave new story line. I hope to be proven wrong.

Kit - No story line as of yet, so no comment.

All in all a disappointing start to the series. I hope it gets better. :pray
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby maudmac » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:13 am

Pretty much impossible to respond in detail to any of your thoughts without spoiling you, but I did want to say that, yes, Jenny's mother is played by Margot Kidder, who played Lois Lane in the original Superman movies.

The way you feel about the first ep is pretty much the way a lot of people felt, so you're definitely not alone.
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Does anyone else like Moira fom The L Word?

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Originally posted by Desolate Beauty[hr]

Is it just me or is that girl beautiful? She's got this whole girly guy, guyish girl thing going on. Anyone agree?
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby xita » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:56 am

Honestly, no. I just couldn't get past her awful character. Androgony is hot, but Moira sucked as a character, I could not properly judge the hotness.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby jsr » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:06 am

Well said Z -- not to mention that Daniela Sea is probably one of the worst actresses I have seen in a long time. It's such a shame -- I was so rooting for her because I had seen her around when she used to waitress at Cowgirl in NYC. But between the God-awful writing and Daniela's overwhelming awkwardness, the character of "Moira" is just one big disaster. Sadly, probably only one of many more to come.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby fontaine13 » Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:46 pm

I think to put it simply the entire season was just one big WTF? And when they weren't confusing the hell out of us they were ramming fucking Betty down our throats. :rolleyes
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby dynigirl » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:49 pm

Ok so its the first episode that I have see and its all strange, to keep up Moria has a very squeeky voice.
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Re: The L Word - Lesbian Series for Showtime Network

Postby iamyouknow » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:04 pm

I wanted to let all the L word fans..who don't already know, about a great Lword themed clothing called I'd Go Gay For..

http://www.myspace.com/idgogayforangelina
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I've personally already bought one of the t-shirts. Really great unique designs and at damn good prices.

Who wouldn't want Kate Moennig on their chest!

Check it out :pride

-Kath
...It comes undone..angel dust, every time i stare into the sun...
http://www.myspace.com/alanis_addict
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