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Alleluia!!!

Postby skittles » Fri Aug 16, 2002 12:01 am

New York council backs domestics partnerships



CNN.com article link



posted: August 15, 2002 @ 9:03 PM EDT



The New York City Council voted Thursday to recognize gay marriages from other jurisdictions, extending a number of rights and responsibilities to same-sex couples.



"We voted to make it so that people who are registered domestic partners, members of civil unions or gay marriages from other jurisdictions, will now be recognized as registered New York city domestic partners," said Council Member Christine Quinn, who co-sponsored the measure.



"I think it's a big deal symbolically because it's New York kind of going as far as we can in relationship law," Quinn said. "It's also a big deal because it's New York City trying to make relations as equal as we possibly can."



Under current city ordinances, same-sex couples who move to the New York must register as domestic partners and then wait a year before being eligible for such rights as health benefits, she said.



Under the new law, they would be eligible immediately if they moved from a place such as Holland, were same-sex unions are recognized, she said. "If you move from the Netherlands, we can't say, 'We recognize you as Mr. and Mr. Smith who are husband and husband.' But we can say, 'We will convey to you all the rights and benefits we convey to New York City residents who have registered as domestic partners as soon as you move to the city -- without having to re-register.' "



Among other things, the law grants visitation rights to same-sex couples in city-run hospitals; succession rights to apartments under city jurisdiction; and the ability of a person to apply for various licenses and permits on behalf of their domestic partner.



City employees registering their domestic partnerships also are eligible for a number of spousal benefits, such as bereavement leave and medical and dental benefits.



The issue has gained in importance since the World Trade Center attacks of last September, Quinn said.



"The only gay couples who even stand a chance of getting all the benefits of World Trade Center survivors are registered domestic partners," she said.



The Empire State Pride Agenda, a statewide gay and lesbian civil rights organization, praised the council for passing the bill.



"New York City has taken a much-needed step that we hope will be followed by other jurisdictions throughout the United States," said Joe Grabarz, executive director of the Empire State Pride Agenda.



"We do not ask those in traditional marriages to re-register their marriage in every jurisdiction to ensure legal recognition of their relationship," said Grabarz. "Nor should we ask those in same-sex relationships to do the same."



Given its symbolism among religious groups, the council's use of the word "marriage" within the context of same-sex marriage is probably the most controversial aspect of the bill, the gay-rights group said.



Only Dutch same-sex married couples moving to or visiting New York City fall under the "marriage" provision of the bill, as only the Netherlands has legalized marriage between same-sex couples.



Vermont is the only state in which same-sex partners can enter into a civil union. But at least eight states and more than 100 city and county governments provide some type of domestic partner recognition and benefits.



Debate over the bill was "a little more heated than I had anticipated," Quinn said, with only one of the four Republicans on the council voting in favor.



CNN was not immediately able to contact any of those who voted against the bill.



Mayor Michael Bloomberg is not expected to oppose the measure, which passed 34-7 with four abstentions, Quinn said.

skittles

.. for when I see you even for a moment, then power to speak another word fails me, instead my tongue freezes into silence... -- Sappho

skittles
 


Big Brothers and Sisters Support Gay Mentors

Postby roamin » Fri Aug 16, 2002 12:41 pm



Quote:
Big Brothers Big Sisters moves in support of gay mentors; provokes conservative attack



By David Crary

The Associated Press



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NEW YORK — Big Brothers Big Sisters of America has told its 490 local affiliates to give openly gay and lesbian volunteers an equal chance to serve as one-on-one mentors to children, incurring the wrath of several conservative groups.



The 98-year-old youth organization — devoted to helping children from single-parent homes — says it is undaunted by the criticism, which includes calls for its corporate backers to halt donations.



"We're getting incredible, positive support for the action we took," the organization's president, Judy Vredenburgh, said yesterday.



Big Brothers Big Sisters has endorsed nondiscrimination principles for 25 years that cover sexual orientation, race, religion and ethnicity. Only last month, however, did the provision about sexual orientation become mandatory policy for all the organization's affiliates, a few of which had been rejecting gay volunteers.



Though the organization gives parents the option of rejecting mentors for various reasons, including sexual orientation, the move to make the nondiscrimination policy binding on affiliates has provoked outrage from several conservative organizations.



Donald Wildmon, chairman of the Tupelo, Miss.-based American Family Association, contends that Big Brothers Big Sisters "will become a magnet for homosexuals who exploit opportunities to engage young, impressionable children with their unhealthy lifestyle."



His association's Web site offers a form letter to be sent to Big Brothers Big Sisters' corporate supporters, asking that they suspend donations until the organization "repeals this dangerous and troubling policy."



Another conservative group, Focus on the Family, said its founder, James Dobson, would delete favorable references to the organization in future editions of his recent book "Bringing Up Boys."



Focus on the Family's psychologist-in-residence, Bill Maier, said the organization should realize that "matching fatherless boys, starving for attention, with homosexual men is reckless and irresponsible, not to mention a recipe for disaster."



So far, there has been no indication corporate backers will shy away from the organization.



Larry Plumb, a spokesman for Verizon Communications, said his company had a long track record in support of nondiscrimination. Martin Kish, vice president of communications for Valvoline, said his firm was studying the policy — but so far remained steadfast in its support.



Vredenburgh said only a few local leaders had expressed concern about the new policy. Like most large-scale youth programs, Big Brothers Big Sisters has dealt with occasional sex-abuse cases over the years.



However, the organization says it has less than 10 abuse allegations per year in a program that currently matches 220,000 children with mentors.



Big Brothers Big Sisters says its affiliates rigorously screen potential volunteers through interviews and criminal background checks, then give parents a profile of the volunteer who might be a mentor to their child. Parents have the option of requesting a mentor who meets certain criteria — this could include race, religion or sexual orientation.



Big Brothers Big Sisters spokeswoman Noreen Shanfelter said parents may have less say in the selection of volunteers who work with children at schools. It is possible, she said, that a child in a school program could be matched with a gay mentor without the parents' knowledge.



The executive director of one conservative group, Eugene Delgaudio of Public Advocate of the U.S., has called for legislation that would require public schools to notify parents if a proposed mentor at the school is gay or lesbian.



Gay-rights organizations, which remain angry at the Boy Scouts of America for prohibiting openly gay Scout leaders and clashed with the Salvation Army last year over domestic-partner benefits, are heartened by Big Brothers Big Sisters' stance.



"The response from the right-wing groups is mean, vicious and downright reprehensible," said David Smith of the Human Rights Campaign in Washington, D.C. "An organization that's doing great work helping underprivileged children should be applauded for standing up for the principles of nondiscrimination."





Copyright © 2002 The Seattle Times Company






roamin
 


Re: Bummer...

Postby tommo » Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:47 pm

Quote:
Donald Wildmon, chairman of the Tupelo, Miss.-based American Family Association, contends that Big Brothers Big Sisters "will become a magnet for homosexuals who exploit opportunities to engage young, impressionable children with their unhealthy lifestyle."




Right. Well, as long as we know then. Cheers, Mr Wildmon. Nice you got your facts totally screwed up your ass. Sigh.


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The mature solution is to spend
your whole life telling stupid,
pointless jokes so no one will notice
you're just a scared, insecure little
boy! ~ Xander...or Joss...?

tommo
 


ROYAL BANK OF CANADA STICKS IT TO THE PHOBES

Postby saraben » Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:49 pm

Hi folks,



Sorry if this has already been posted - did a search and it didn't come up. I'm posting it in honor of all the Canadian Amberholics and Kittens (and especially Russ, if he hangs out in this cool place).



It's from John's List: www.hatecrime.org/support.html



Quote:


ROYAL BANK OF CANADA STICKS IT TO THE PHOBES

You simply gotta love those Canadians. I laughed out loud when I heard

about this one. The Royal Bank of Canada has reportedly closed down a

bank account opened by the "No Committee 2006," an anti-gay group whose

only reason to exist is to oppose bringing the gay games to Montreal in

2006 (I can't think of a better reason to bring the games there now).

The Royal Bank told the phobes that "we will not knowingly open and

operate bank accounts for groups whose express purpose is to incite

discrimination against minorities." How's them for fighting words? It

gets better.



Reportedly, the bank emailed the following explanation to militant

fundamentalist in the US who were rabblerousing on behalf of the

Canadian anti-gay group:



"In the Montreal situation," the bank wrote, "we were advised by in-

house legal counsel and by two of Canada's most prominent law firms (for

a total of 3 different legal opinions) that the actions and statements

of the NO Committee 2006 could incite discrimination towards

homosexuals. In this regard, there is a world of difference between

having an opinion (e.g., homosexuality is a sin), and actively inciting

fear, hatred, and discrimination. In this case, the No Committee 2006

wanted to prevent a group of people from participating in a sporting

event solely because of their sexual orientation."



Yeah!



The anti-gay bigots are now trying to inundate the Bank with angry

emails and phone calls about this issue. Please take a moment and

contact the bank, giving 'em a big atta-boy/atta-girl for taking a stand

against inciting discrimination against minorities.



Toll-free telephone: 1-800-ROYAL(r) 4-0 (1 800 769-2540) - then press 2.

Service in French: 1-800-ROYAL(r) 4-1 (1 800 769-2541)

Fax: (416) 974-3561

Fax: (416) 974-7403

E-mail: custrel@rbc.com








Hugs, Sara :willow

saraben
 


Re: Bummer...

Postby drlloyd11 » Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:35 pm



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Donald Wildmon, chairman of the Tupelo, Miss.-based American Family Association, contends that Big Brothers Big Sisters "will become a magnet for homosexuals who exploit opportunities to engage young, impressionable children with their unhealthy lifestyle."

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Opening the paper and seeing that the Cardinal of Boston(an aly of his) is testifying in a sex abuse case, himself possibly liable for hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.. I wonder

if its possible for mr wildmon to speak with any LESS authrority on the topic of child abuse.

Prob not...

Comical...









drlloyd11
 


Re: Alleluia!!!

Postby Warduke » Sun Aug 18, 2002 3:47 pm

I just found this at Yahoo...



Quote:
N.Y. Times to Run Same-Sex Notices

Sun Aug 18, 8:24 AM ET



NEW YORK (AP) - The New York Times plans to begin publishing announcements of same-sex commitment ceremonies along with its wedding announcements.



The announcements of formal gay and lesbian unions will begin next month in the paper's Sunday Styles section, Howell Raines, executive editor of the Times, said in Sunday's editions.



"In making this change, we acknowledge the newsworthiness of a growing and visible trend in society toward public celebrations of commitment by gay and lesbian couples — celebrations important to many of our readers, their families and their friends," Raines said.



"We recognize that the society remains divided about the legal and religious definition of marriage, and our news columns will remain impartial in that debate, reporting fully on all points of view," he said.



Gay and lesbian couples featured in the paper will be selected by editors under the same criteria used to choose the weddings: the newsworthiness and accomplishments of the couples and their families, Raines said.



Occasionally the Vows column, a longer feature on one couple, will focus on a same-sex couple, Raines said.


_________________________


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Warduke
 


Re: Alleluia!!!

Postby drlloyd11 » Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:39 am

>N.Y. Times to Run Same-Sex Notices

Sun Aug 18, 8:24 AM ET



Last month the Boston globe said it was considering this. Which given that the Globe would print exclusively in Kilingon font if the Times did it too, I would guess they will follow suit.



drlloyd11
 


Australian Senator proposes change to Marriage Act

Postby semiramis » Tue Aug 20, 2002 12:55 am

au.news.yahoo.com/020820/2/c0tb.html



Senate considers same sex marriages



Gay, lesbian and hermaphrodite couples would have the right to marry, under legal changes the Australian Democrats have introduced in the Senate.



Democrats senator Brian Grieg introduced amendments to the Marriage Act which would clear the way for same sex couples to marry.



Speaking during a debate about marriage celebrants, Senator Greig said the government needed to broaden its approach to recognise the great diversity in human relationships.



Legislation should recognise and protect all long-term relationships, especially those where children were involved, he said.



"While the government seems to think that amending the Marriage Act in relation to civil celebrants is a positive step forward, it fails, I think, to recognise the huge numbers of people for whom marriage has no attraction, whether church based or done through civil celebrant processes," Senator Greig said.



"Now 40 years old, the Marriage Act is not reflective of contemporary relationships and not reflective of modern Australia," he said.



He said with some reports showing as many as one in every 2000 Australians may be hermaphrodites, with characteristics of both males and females, the act should also be updated to reflect current knowledge.



In line with development in countries like The Netherlands, Senator Greig proposed amendments making it impossible to block marriage on the grounds of sex.



Debate on the amendments was adjourned.



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Sadly, the ruling party (the Liberals) are likely to block this, as will the conservative old guard of the Opposition.





The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

semiramis
 


Re: Australian Senator proposes change to Marriage Act

Postby urnofosiris » Tue Aug 20, 2002 1:33 am

You think the "Liberal" party will block that? Can't they be sued for false advertising? Liberal does not include gay people does it?



Kudos to that senator btw.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later"
----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

urnofosiris
 


There Goes My Weekend...

Postby tommo » Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:08 am

** IMPORTANT NEWS **

Updated 12.00am

19th August



PRESS RELEASE



MANCHESTER MARDI GRAS 2002

IS OFFICIALLY CANCELLED



Following the Greater Manchester Police's decision to enforce a restrictive alcohol tolerance zone on this year's Mardi Gras, The Village Business Association has been left with no choice but to cancel the event in its eleventh year.



The GMP designated zone was to have been limited to Canal Street alone.



"We took the considered view that due to the enormous numbers historically attracted to The Gay Village for Mardi Gras, the prospect of cramming thousands of party revellers onto Canal Street was simply unsafe and could have led to a disaster of Hillsborough proportions" said a VBA spoksman.



"We have spent three weeks in meetings, making telephone calls, sending emails and talking to the various groups involved in an attempt to marginally extend the alcohol tolerance zone in order to accomodate the huge numbers. When it was clear that the other parties would not even discuss our concerns we had no alternative but to cancel Mardi Gras 2002".



The spokesman continued "Despite the cancellation of established elements of the weekend such as the parade through the city centre, the entertainment in the park, and the market, the message to the gay community is Manchester Gay Pride will continue over the weekend with even more focus on 'Operation Fundraiser'. The authorities may be shortsighted in their handling of the alcohol tolerance zone but this will not stop gay men and women and their friends partying, and the bars and clubs are committed to ensuring that as much as possible will be raised for the charities, with all the venues continuing with their planned events."



In addition, a march through the city centre is proposed to demonstrate the gay community's anger towards Councillors Pat Karney and Mary Murphy who are supposed to represent the Lesbian and Gay community on Manchester city council but who refused to intervene, or meet, with the VBA to help resolve the position with the police.



The VBA spokesman said,' We shall be monitoring the way the council and police deal with other festivals in Manchester to ensure that the gay community is not being unfairly treated. Mardi Gras may be cancelled, but the weekend will be dedicated to a weekend of gay pride".



Members of the VBA, which includes most of the bars and clubs in the Gay Village, were bracing themselves for a backlash from the authorities who control their livelihoods by the way they implement the licences for their venues.



ENDS



The spokesman for The Village Business Association is solicitor Anthony Lyons



DESPITE THE CANCELLATION OF THE MAIN STAGE, THE DANCE ARENA, THE WORKS PARTY, THE MARKET AND THE PARADE, THE CLUB EVENTS WILL STILL TAKE PLACE, RAISING MONEY FOR THE CHARITIES FUND, IN A CELEBRATION GAY PRIDE AND SOLIDARITY!





THERE WILL A DEMONSTRATION ON SATURDAY 24th AT 2pm IN SACKVILLE PARK, AND A PUBLIC MEETING OF THE VBA TONIGHT, MONDAY THE 19th, AT 7.30pm IN BAR RISA




I know this doesn't mean a lot to most people, but it's pissed me right off. And I couldn't afford to go this year, but I was planning on attending some of the free events and generally soaking up the atmosphere. Sigh. So now I won't.




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Darlin' theres no way out, nothing can help me now. Love's got a hold on my heart...

tommo
 


California Assembly OKs Classes on Gay Foster Children

Postby relativegirl » Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:22 am

From today's LA Times:



Assembly OKs Classes on Gay Foster Children

Legislature: Bill on sensitivity training passes on party lines after heated debate.



By Jon Ortiz and Miguel Bustillo, Times Staff Writers



The California Assembly passed a bill Monday to establish gay and lesbian sensitivity training for foster parents, but only after an acrimonious debate that exposed some of the cultural and political fissures regarding homosexuality that divide the state's elected leadership.



* * *

The day's most impassioned debate, however, was over the foster care legislation.



Republicans decried the sensitivity training bill as a piece of social engineering that would move the state one step closer to sanctioning immorality.



Democrats brushed aside the attacks as narrow-minded and insensitive.



Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy (R-Monrovia) fired the opening salvo in the 30-minute debate with a plea to his colleagues to turn back the bill.



"It's not OK to be gay," he said, predicting that religious groups that are active in foster care programs will back away from supporting the system if the bill becomes law.



"You think you've got a foster care crisis now, pass this and see what happens," he said.



Mountjoy's remarks drew a sharp response from Assemblywoman Gloria McLeod (D-Chino). "Do you think it's OK for gay and lesbian foster children to be thrown away? Is that what you want?" she asked.



The measure, AB 2651 by Assemblywoman Judy Chu (D-Monterey Park), requires the state Department of Social Services to expand its foster parent education program to include sexual orientation sensitivity training.



Under the bill, state officials would be required to offer the training, but prospective foster parents could opt not to go through the portion that deals with sexual orientation.



The bill also mandates that the Department of Social Services recruit gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender adults to become foster parents to children with similar sexual orientations.



The Assembly passed the bill along party lines, 41 to 28, and it already has cleared the state Senate. As a result, all that is required for it to become law is Gov. Gray Davis' signature. Davis has not taken a position on the measure, according to a spokeswoman.

~ If I should rock you,
the whole world would rock within my arms ~

relativegirl
 


Robert Reich supports gay marriage

Postby tyche » Tue Aug 20, 2002 2:11 pm

Article here.


[Willow] should have taken time out for a few minutes to slowly torture Xander for sounding like a Hallmark card on crack.
- My fiance's review of the 'yellow crayon' speech.

tyche
 


Re: Australian Senator proposes change to Marriage Act

Postby semiramis » Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:07 pm

The party name is Liberal, but they are more like the US Republican party. The "liberal" party used to be the Labor party, which developed from the trade union movement. However, nowadays the most liberal parties are the Australian Democrats (who sadly seem permently on the verge of imploson) and The Greens. The head of The Greens is an out gay man, and there are some gay Democrats.Hell, there are probably gay Liberals and Labor as well, but they aren't as public about it.

But our Prime Minister (head of state as well as head of Liberals) is stuck firmly in an idealised 50's and so this bill has NO chance while he is around.



The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

semiramis
 


"Teens tried to divorce lesbian mother"

Postby skittles » Tue Aug 20, 2002 6:03 pm

I am posting this because I saw a reference to this case at cnn.com with a video spot. I don't like how this article reads, but it comes from the Houston Chronicle (TX kittens will have to tell us what their normal "slant" is in GLBT stories).



FAMILY'S ROAD TO RECONCILIATION



Daughter, gay mother try to compromise at hearing.



By Jo Ann Zuniga



Houston Chronicle article



It was not a tough decision for Kimla Green.



When she arrived at Harris County Family Court on Monday and saw her teenage daughters for the first time since they ran away from home in early July, she was ready to make concessions. The daughters were, too.



The sisters had left home because their religious beliefs conflicted with their mother's homosexuality.



Green said she would "no longer practice that lifestyle" in front of her daughters, and the girls said they will stop attending the church that allegedly took them from their home.



The only thing settled in the Monday hearing before state District Judge Lisa Millard was that jurisdiction of the case belonged in Fort Bend County, where Green lives.



The teens smiled at their mother when they saw each other in court and later hugged her briefly before leaving the courthouse. They did not speak to reporters.



"I told them that I missed them and loved them, and they said they missed me and loved me, too," Green said.



The girls had filed a lawsuit, asking the court to remove disability of a minor. If granted, the girls could choose where they live, which school they attend, enter into contracts as adults for housing and make their own decisions regarding medical treatment.



"I love my daughters. Relationships may come and go, but my daughters will always be there," Green said after the hearing on Monday.



For now, the girls, La Kenna, 17, and Shanicola, 16, will continue living with an aunt and uncle in Harris County until the case is transferred to Fort Bend County Aug. 28.



Green's lawyer, Lee Jeronimo, requested the case be transferred because Fort Bend County had jurisdiction in Green's earlier divorce and custody case.



Court records show the girls' father, Douglas Wayne Green, is in federal prison.



The girls' lawyer, John W. Breeze, said they have been living in Harris County since leaving home. That's why their petition was filed in Harris County.



Millard ruled she did not have jurisdiction and ordered the case transferred to Fort Bend County.



Green, who lives in Missouri City, said she previously attended the southeast Houston church, Body of Christ Ministry, with her daughters until the pastor allegedly "brainwashed" the girls into "gay-bashing."



The church and its pastor have not responded after several attempts to reach them for comment.



"The girls agreed not to attend or communicate with that church. They will hopefully be a family again," Jeronimo said.



In the petition filed July 17, the girls allege their mother had numerous homosexual relationships throughout their lives and brought sexual partners into their home. It also stated that their mother tried to restrict their religious schooling when the daughters' beliefs caused them to question how their mother was living her life.



Green said the agreement she and the girls made Monday should settle the case for now.



"I'm praying about the situation," Green said. "It would take God to cleanse me."

skittles

.. for when I see you even for a moment, then power to speak another word fails me, instead my tongue freezes into silence... -- Sappho

skittles
 


Re: "Teens tried to divorce lesbian mother"

Postby relativegirl » Tue Aug 20, 2002 9:42 pm

One of our local Los Angeles TV stations ran this story and their slant was even worse than CNN's. They consistently referred to the mother's sexuality as a "lifestyle" and they didn't explain that the daughters' objections were based on their religious beliefs -- the implication being "of course the daughters would object to their mom being a lesbian!"



In the end the on-air "personalities" exchanged insipid banter in which they praised the mother for coming to her senses and agreeing to stop "flaunting her lifestyle choices" by bringing her gfs into the home.



I live in Los Angeles. Joss lives in Los Angeles. Maybe I am the one who is out of touch.

~ If I should rock you,
the whole world would rock within my arms ~

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Re: Australian Senator proposes change to Marriage Act

Postby xita » Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:23 pm

Oh this is shocking, the use of the world lifestyle.. it's just insane. This is crazy and disturbing.. grr..

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Childie -"Not all girls are raving bloody lesbians, you know!"

George - "That's a misfortune of which I am perfectly well aware."

The Killing of Sister George

xita
 


Re: teens divorcing

Postby skittles » Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:16 am

xita & RG, I don't like this article from the Houston Chronicle either, but it was all that I could find about it. Apparently this started back in July and it only made the national rounds now. It sounds like there's a lot of 'brainwashing' going on, or the mother is acting as she is doing because of desire to do 'anything' to get her girls back. This includes acting like the authorities want her to act. I definitely don't like the tone of the article or the words spoken. There also may be a racial component to this. (The Houston article has a picture of the mother, go to the link).



I just hope that everything works out for everyone involved. It is a very delicate situation. (just remember, this is GWB's home state! isn't that comforting? (not!))

skittles

.. for when I see you even for a moment, then power to speak another word fails me, instead my tongue freezes into silence... -- Sappho

skittles
 


Gay acitivist now interim leader of Australians third party

Postby semiramis » Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:28 pm

Link here

www.abc.net.au/am/s656711.htm

Brian Greig interim Democrat leader



AM - Friday, August 23, 2002 8:00



To the 36 year old gay activist who few Australians outside of political circles would have heard of, but who this morning is the interim leader of the country's third political party, the Australian Democrats. He is Senator Brian Greig, the son of a West Australian fisherman.



He's been backed by the Democrat's National Executive which, in a virtual declaration of war, has told Aden Ridgeway and the gang-of-four who challenged Natasha Stott-Despoja, that their behaviour was treacherous.



They have sent one simple and key message and that is that it's the members and the National Executive that run the Democrats, not the Senators.



(rest of story deleted as it relates to the internal politics of the party).





The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

semiramis
 


Lesbian state senator

Postby semiramis » Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:26 pm

link here

www.ssonet.com.au/showart...cleID=1807



Senator Penny Wong reclaims "one nation"





Senator Penny Wong

By Stacy Farrar



New South Australian ALP senator Penny Wong used the closest thing she has to a political opposite as inspiration for her maiden speech to the Senate.



Pauline Hanson was an unknown fish and chip shop owner when she brought the term “one nation” into Aus-tralian households. Last night Wong – a 33-year-old Malaysian-born lesbian trade-unionist - used her first speech to flag her intention to reclaim the term.



“I seek a nation that is truly one nation. One in which all Australians can share regardless of race, gender, or other attribute, regardless of where they live, and where difference is not a basis for exclusion,” Wong told the Senate.



“We do not live in such a country. We are not yet truly one nation. But it is the task of political leaders to build one.”



Wong did not speak on any specific minority groups, choosing to use her address to call for unity and an “open, honest and constructive debate about race in Australia”.



Prime Minister John Howard was put on notice for his anti-political correctness rhetoric which Wong told the Senate had led to a different form of correctness – one in which it was right to be racist but wrong to defend tolerance.



Wong has not raised any intention of dealing specifically with gay and lesbian rights or law reforms. Wong has also refused to take questions from the media regarding her personal life, although she consented to a recent article in The Adelaide Advertiser which included mention of her sexuality.



Senator Penny Wong was elected in November last year at the same time as fellow ALP senator Linda Kirk. The pair were sworn in on Monday.



The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

semiramis
 


One Nation

Postby vix84 » Fri Aug 23, 2002 7:36 am

Very interesting, semirasis. I'm an Aussie too, and hadn't seen the article. Thanks

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BUFFY: I'm like that kid
in the story, the boy who stuck his finger in the duck.
ANGEL: Dyke.
(off her confusion)
It's another word for a dam.


BUFFY: Oh. Okay, now that story makes a lot more sense.


Buffy, 'Gingerbread'

vix84
 


from the other Bush state

Postby Banshee » Fri Aug 23, 2002 1:48 pm

Antigay essay by Jeb Bush appointee

surfaces



Florida's new child welfare chief, who denied last week coauthoring a

controversial 1989 essay that condoned spanking even if it produces

bruises, wrote another article for a magazine that included a rant against

homosexuality, according to The Miami Herald. The article, which bears

Jerry Regier's name alone, appeared in the July-August 1988 issue of

Pastoral Renewal, a religious magazine no longer published. The article

is titled "The Not-So-Disposable Family."



The article argued for establishing family values based on "biblical norms"

and listed principles intended to establish "clear roles for fathers and

mothers." In the piece, Regier says that husbands must have authority

over their wives, who should not work outside the home unless it is

financially necessary. "Scripture is clear in stating that women are to be

'helpmates' to their husbands, that they are to bear and nurture children,

that they are to be 'workers at home.' "



Regier also declared that sex outside heterosexual marriage is a sin and

said that, according to research, children reared without a father are

more likely to experience "psychosexual development problems" such as

homosexuality. "Both girls and boys from mother-dominant homes were

more likely to indicate that they disliked the opposite sex," Regier wrote,

summarizing the findings of a 1961 study. "They were also more likely to

be disliked by the opposite sex."



Regier also wrote: "Sex outside the confines of a monogamous

heterosexual marriage is strongly condemned in Scripture. The Bible

describes fornication, adultery, and homosexuality as sin" At one point in

the article, Regier likens the biblical restrictions on sexuality to

modern-day traffic laws: "If there were no laws, no stop signs, no traffic

lights or parking restrictions, chaos on the streets and in our cities would

result," he wrote. "If there are no stop signs related to sex, cultural chaos

results."



In an interview with the Herald Thursday, Regier said it is important to

distinguish between a "theological" discussion of issues and a public

policy discussion. But last March he told the Family Outreach

Conference, which took place at Brigham Young University's campus in

Provo, Utah, "One of my passions for the last 21 years has been to bring

God's voice, in a sense, to public policy."

Banshee
 


Complaints over gay kiss on UK TV

Postby tyche » Sun Aug 25, 2002 8:03 am

The Bill, one of British TV's most popular programmes, aired a gay kiss last week. It attracted over 300 complaints:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2213724.stm



Grrr. Why do people have to be such bigots?


[Willow] should have taken time out for a few minutes to slowly torture Xander for sounding like a Hallmark card on crack.
- My fiance's review of the 'yellow crayon' speech.

tyche
 


Pennsylvania Court Allows Same Sex Adoptions

Postby skittles » Sun Aug 25, 2002 10:31 am

from CNN



article @ CNN.com



PENNSYLVANIA COURT ALLOWS SAME SEX ADOPTIONS



posted Aug 24, 2002 .. 1:34 pm



HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania (AP) -- The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has ruled that a child may be adopted by a parent's same-sex partner.



In a 6-0 decision Tuesday with one justice abstaining, the court found that one partner in a gay or lesbian relationship can adopt a child without forcing the other partner to give up parental rights. Previously, the parent would have had to give up rights to the child in order for the adoption to proceed.



The decision means children in gay and lesbian families could now qualify for health insurance, inheritances and other benefits from the adoptive parent.



Pennsylvania law allowed only for a legally married person to become the adoptive parent of the other spouse's children. The state does not recognize same-sex marriages.



"There is no language in the Adoption Act precluding two unmarried same-sex partners (or unmarried heterosexual partners) from adopting a child who had no legal parents," Chief Justice Stephen Zappala wrote in the ruling. "It is therefore absurd to prohibit their adoptions merely because their children were either the biological or adopted children of one of the partners prior to the filing of the adoption petition."



A lawyer for one of 75 organizations that filed friends of the court briefs in the case said she was "delighted" with the ruling.



"Today's decision is a complete victory for these families and for hundreds if not thousands of families like them," said Susan Frietsche, a lawyer with the Women's Law Project. "It's a long overdue acknowledgment of lesbian and gay families."



The ruling stems from two combined cases filed by lesbian and gay couples. In the first, one of two women who have been together since 1983 sought to adopt twin boys born to the other.



In the second, one of two men who have been partners since 1982 sought to adopt a boy and a girl who had already been adopted by one partner.

skittles

.. for when I see you even for a moment, then power to speak another word fails me, instead my tongue freezes into silence... -- Sappho

skittles
 


Re: from the other Bush state

Postby xita » Sun Aug 25, 2002 11:52 am

That's a pretty big deal, that means that 2 gay people can officially be the parents to a child... that's awesome.

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Childie -"Not all girls are raving bloody lesbians, you know!"

George - "That's a misfortune of which I am perfectly well aware."

The Killing of Sister George

xita
 


Re: Pennsylvania Court Allows Same Sex Adoptions

Postby supermus » Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:12 pm

Wow, that's great news. Unfortunately, it's rare around here to get such news.



Now, a reply to that stupid Jeb Bush appointee-



First of all, this is AMERICA. We do NOT enforce our beliefs on others here. It says so in the CONSTITUTION! If you want to pass law forcing other people to believe what you do, get the hell out.



Second of all, the Bible says a lot of things. It seems to me to be folly to base law on something written millenia ago. The social concepts expressed in the bible wre crafted by a society more than 2000 years in the past. Society has changed a great deal since then. Maybe you should too.

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"And maybe I'll find out a way to make it back someday, to watch you, to guide you through the darkest of your days. If A great wave shall fall, and fall upon us all, then I hope there's someone out there who can bring me back to you."

supermus
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby fudgie9 » Tue Aug 27, 2002 2:35 am

In light of the charity drive for the Trevor Project this article highlights the struggle some teens go through.

Taken from The Sun newspaper Melbourne Australia.

A gay Mel teenager is suing his former school after allegedly being bullied and discriminated against. Tim was forced to leave after homophobic students bullied him and a school counsellor called him satanic.

Tim abandoned year 10 studies because he was afraid. He now studies from home and is using equal opportunity laws to take legal action against the school which has denied any wrongdoing. "I want things to change for other students like me," he said.

Tim's family said no financial compensation was sought, just acknowledgement from the school. Tim claimed that teachers at the school failed in their duty to support him when schoolyard bullying became sex based harassment.

A school counsellor is also alleged to have told Tim that the devil was inside him and that she could organise to have him "straightened out" The school has denied the allegations.



fudgie9
 


New Bravo show

Postby DaffyQDuck » Tue Aug 27, 2002 4:27 pm

In the cable version of TV Guide that I got today there is an article on a new reality miniseries on Bravo called "Gay Weddings." It debuts on 9/2 at 10 pm EST. The 8 part series follows 4 S CA couples--2 male & 2 female--in the 6 months before their weddings. Kirk Marcolina (who's gay) & Doug Ross co-created it. It doesn't say if it's an hr or half hr show.

I'm Cletus the slack-jawed yokel - Willow

DaffyQDuck
 


Re: New Bravo show

Postby Pipsqueak » Tue Aug 27, 2002 7:15 pm

Daffy, funny you should mention that, I was reading the MSNBC news site today and came across an article about the "Gay Weddings" documentary ..... was going to post it here, but didn't know if it was old news or not. It looks interesting. Let me go back and search for that article again ... aha, here it is:



Gay Weddings Go Prime Time

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"We're just ... stupid." -- Buffy, on Season 6

Check out my Buffy videos at http://www.pipsqueaky.com

Pipsqueak
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby semiramis » Tue Aug 27, 2002 7:24 pm

In light of the charity drive for the Trevor Project this article highlights the struggle some teens go through.

Taken from The Sun newspaper Melbourne Australia.

A gay Mel teenager is suing his former school after allegedly being bullied and discriminated against. Tim was forced to leave after homophobic students bullied him and a school counsellor called him satanic.

Tim abandoned year 10 studies because he was afraid. He now studies from home and is using equal opportunity laws to take legal action against the school which has denied any wrongdoing. "I want things to change for other students like me," he said.

Tim's family said no financial compensation was sought, just acknowledgement from the school. Tim claimed that teachers at the school failed in their duty to support him when schoolyard bullying became sex based harassment.

A school counsellor is also alleged to have told Tim that the devil was inside him and that she could organise to have him "straightened out" The school has denied the allegations.


I heard this young man interviewed on JJJ yesterday morning. Cannot believe that a school counsellor told him that "he had the devil in him".





The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

semiramis
 


Simon backs off on gay rights (California News)

Postby Rally » Wed Sep 04, 2002 9:56 am

Simon backs off on gay rights GOP candidate for governor recants under pressure from religious right



Lynda Gledhill, Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Staff Writers Wednesday, September 4, 2002



Under intense pressure from the religious right, GOP candidate for governor Bill Simon on Tuesday dropped his backing for a Gay Pride Day and softened his support for several other gay rights issues.



Simon's reversal came a week after the Los Angeles businessman backed the idea of a statewide Gay Pride Day, said he would not challenge current laws on gay adoption and supported domestic partnership laws as long as they weren't based on sexual orientation.



Simon's positions on those gay rights issues were detailed in a questionnaire to the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay Republican group.



But, in the latest misstep for his campaign, Simon said Tuesday that he never saw the questionnaire released last week that endorses some gay rights, although his signature is on the document.



The about-face came after Simon was blasted by Lou Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition and on conservative radio shows since a Chronicle story last week detailing the GOP candidate's positions in the questionnaire.



UNWELCOME AT GAY GOP EVENT



After Simon withdrew his support Tuesday for the gay-rights measures, he was axed from a list of planned speakers at a gay GOP fund-raiser scheduled for later this week. The Republican Unity Coalition fund-raiser starring Mary Cheney -- the gay daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney -- is expected to raise $1 million for Republican candidates for the House and Senate who support issues such as gay rights.



In a letter to conservative state Sen. Ray Haynes, R-Riverside, Simon said his "strongly held pro-family" views had been "mischaracterized" and recanted his support for declaring a statewide Gay Pride Day.



And, on a radio call-in show Tuesday, Simon said he did not see the answers on the questionnaire before they were sent to the Log Cabin Republicans. Simon campaign officials did not provide an explanation for how the signed questionnaire was returned to the group without the candidate's knowledge.



"There were statements in there that I just can't support," Simon told KRLA radio hosts Mark Larson and Larry Marino on Tuesday.



But Log Cabin Republicans have a signed statement from the candidate and want an explanation.



Simon appears to be "caving in to the religious right . . . buckling down under pressure from a group that represents 1 to 3 percent of the voting population," said David Hanson, president of California Log Cabin Republicans.



CONFUSION OVER 'CLARIFICATION'



Simon said Tuesday the campaign had "clarified my position immediately" after the flurry of publicity about the questionnaire. But no such clarification came up last week when Simon appeared in Sacramento and San Francisco.



At that time, he said he stood by his positions on domestic partners, workplace discrimination and adoption by gay couples, although he said he might re-evaluate his support for a Gay Pride Day.



Hanson reacted angrily after learning Simon had backed away from those statements.



"Bill Simon is a neophyte who isn't able to distinguish what he needs to do to reach out to moderate Republicans and win the governor's seat," Hanson said.



"It's regretful he can't stand by his own convictions . . . he has basically told all of us that we won't be able to trust what he says."



Sheldon said he believes answers on the Log Cabin Republican questionnaire do not reflect Simon's positions.



"This questionnaire did not have Mr. Simon's final approval," said Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition. "I am fully satisfied that he is the person that he said he is in terms of pro-family beliefs."



The flap over Simon's standing on gay rights issues is the latest problem to dog the first-time candidate's campaign since his upset March primary victory.



DROP IN POLLS



Simon's bid to unseat Democratic Gov. Gray Davis has taken a hit in the polls after weeks of negative stories on such issues as his failure to release his income tax returns, his lagging fund-raising, his staff cutbacks and a jury's $78 million civil fraud judgment against his family investment firm.



In the letter to Haynes, posted on the Traditional Values Coalition Web site, Simon said he opposes a bill approved by the Legislature that would require sexual orientation training guidelines for foster parents.



Simon did not specifically address gay adoption, but he said "the best family environment for a child is a home with a mother and father."



Simon didn't address the issue of legal rights for domestic partners in his letter to Haynes, saying: "I do not believe that other relationships should be elevated to that of marriage."



Political analyst Allan Hoffenblum said Simon is walking on dangerous turf.



"On the issue of gay rights, Bill Simon can't come up with a position to satisfy both Lou Sheldon and the Log Cabin Club," he said. "If he tries to do that, he won't please either side -- and may end up losing both."

AUG. 27



"I do not believe that sexual orientation should be a factor in the recognition by the state of such relationships.



SEPT. 1



"I (have) stated that 'marriage is an institution that should remain between one man and one woman.' I stand by that statement."



E-mail the writers at lgledhill@sfchronicle.com and cmarinucci@sfchronicle.com.

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Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

Rally
 

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