Gilmore Girls

[tyche]

Just a reminder that the new ep this Tuesday is the horrible-sounding Spring Break episode. I'm planning to flick between GG and American Idol to lessen the impact of the GG stuff..

Also, there are some new spoilers floating around, which go up to episode 21.

What kind of novels do you write: fiction or nonfiction? - US immigration officer to Ian McEwan

[urnofosiris]

That was a long break, I had forgotten about that kiss business. I am rather curious to see whether this clever little twist will be bad or really really bad.



Edited to add:



Brian posted a snappy little article about this kiss business with a nice WT mention in the Willow and Tara tidbit thread. I am copying it here because I want to comment about the Gilmore Girls part of the article as well.



From Yahoo...

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Gilmore Girls Kiss Controversy

by Daniel R. Coleridge



Tonight's Gilmore Girls — the first fresh episode since early March — finds Rory and Paris on spring break in Florida. While the WB's promoting this as "Gilmore Girls Gone Wild," it's not nearly as wild as some think. Last week's New York Post promised "the butch Paris" will plant a "Sapphic smooch" on Rory that "ranks with the most shocking" same-sex kisses ever on television. Huh?



Did they screen the same preview tape we did? 'Cause it sure looked to us like Paris kisses Rory for half a sec, just to attract notice from the throng of party boys around them. Willow and Tara, they're not. This sitch is more like the silly JC Chasez song that goes: "Some girls dance with women, knowin' that it brings them attention." But hey, you don't have to take it from us...



"I think the Post story is very silly. They're out of their minds," GG creator Amy Sherman-Palladino tells TV Guide Online. "When I read that, I went, 'Seriously?!' For us, it was a playful little joke. There's no tongue, there's no groping. When I [wrote for] Roseanne, they did the big kiss between Roseanne and Mariel Hemingway, and it was about that. This is a joke.



"Rory is this chaste little girl," she adds with a laugh. "She's practically got wings attached to the back of her. To look for the salacious at all on our show, you really gotta look, because we don't do salacious here. It's weird that they would pick up on an innocent kiss between two girls like there's something dirty about it." Diplomatically, she adds: "It wouldn't be dirty if it was two girls who were romantically involved!"



That rightly said, Rory's got boys on the brain as the show heads toward May sweeps. Amid the spring-break festivities, Miss Gilmore gets in touch with ex-boyfriend Dean — which is always awkward, especially since he's married now. "She and Dean are starting to get a little closer," Sherman-Palladino teases. "There's the assumption that his marriage is wrong. Rory thinks they're too young. Everybody thinks they're too young. There's not a lot of hope for intense happiness for a marriage that came out of a rebound, with much too much youth and lack of life experience."



Thus, GG fans can expect Jared Padalecki to return in upcoming episodes as Dean. But don't forget Rory's other ex. Milo Ventimiglia's days as bad boy Jess aren't done just yet. "We're bringing Jess back to finally confront Rory. He's basically been avoiding her; they haven't conversed since he said 'I love you' and got the hell out of Dodge," Sherman-Palladino laughs. "We have to wrap that up, which we will be doing."

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I never thought that kiss would mean anything or that Rory would be a lesbian. Actually, I sincerely hope Rory as a lesbian will never happen. It is bad enough that the average TV viewer might be thinking that all lesbians have a life span of less than thirty and/or are miserable and insane. No need to add terminally boring to the list. Now if Lolerai would finally come to her senses that would be another matter.



Oh and hip hip hurrah, apparently Dean and Jess have still not dropped of the face of the earth.

Edited by: DrG at: 4/13/04 4:19 pm

[seurat]

Ok, here's a shocker. I liked last night's GG. Really enjoyed it in fact and will probably watch it again. Maybe absence really does make the heart grow fonder, since it seems like forever since there has been a new ep to watch. Amy wrote it, and I think she really got it right this time. Even the characters that I normally find annoying, like Jason and Rory's athletic roommate, came across as actual human beings. Jason's speech to Lorelai about the talking keys and the bolting was the best thing they've ever given him, which is kind of them considering what they're about to do with the character.They stayed away from showing a lot of over-cute stuff from the village and the one bit of that they used, Kirk's pedi-cab, was pretty funny.



I particularly liked the road trip, Paris was in fine form, Rory was fun and more entertaining than she has been in ages. And of course I got to see Madeline/Louise again. Have I mentioned that I Madeline? ok, but have I mentioned it recently? Even the music was great, I like the Shins and appreciate that they let them play a whole song and having Camera Obscura and New Pornographers playing in the background of the Spring Break scene was genius.



Which only leaves us with the Rory/Paris kiss. I thought it was fine, not salacious at all, and I liked that Rory wrote off the cute guy because of his reaction to the kiss. I'll be interested to hear what other kittens thought of the kiss, since it's very possible that others will see it differently.



One good ep of course does not a season make, nor does it make up for some of the worst of the earlier ep's, but this was a welcome reminder of why I used to love this show and inoculates me a bit against the next script by JE.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[tyche]

Hmm, I thought last night's ep was okay - not as bad as I thought it would be. I ended up watching most it because there was no American Idol.

What was up with Jason's hair? It was really distracting and bizarre. His speech to Lorelai was sweet, though. I honestly prefer Jason and Lorelai to the prospect of Lorelai and Luke.

The kiss thing was not as offensive as it sounded in the spoilers. I think it was fairly clear that Paris did it because she thought it was the kind of thing that you do on spring break (thanks to their two vacuous old friends.)

Rory and Paris getting drunk was funny, I have to say. Glad we were spared the vomiting bit, though.

Luke was being so typically Luke - of course, he's such a big manly man that he can't possibly ASK Nicole what's going on, he has to go and kick the guy's car...

Oh, and btw, was anyone else disturbed by the fact that the guy Paris referred to as Rory's 'husband' looked exactly like San Francisco State Assemblyman Mark Leno? Whenever she saw him, I kept thinking "You're wasting your time, he's gay!"

What kind of novels do you write: fiction or nonfiction? - US immigration officer to Ian McEwan

[urnofosiris]

I thought the episode was pretty ok as well. That kiss was not a ratings gimmick the way it played out on screen, but some of the hoopla atricles made it sound that way. It certainly wasn't an Ally McBeal let's do it for the boys thing. It was over in half a second and Rory's reaction was amusing instead of offensive (which is what I was expecting). So I stand corrected. I liked the episode, it was lighthearted fun, except for Luke being an ass. I just downloaded the latest episode, I am unspoiled for that one for a change.

[tyche]

There's a cast spoiler for the next season of GG here.

What kind of novels do you write: fiction or nonfiction? - US immigration officer to Ian McEwan

[urnofosiris]

I am not surprised. He was appearing more frequently in the latest episodes and they turned his wife into a very obnoxious shallow airheaded winer and him into the hardworking saintly husband. I may be exaggerating a bit, but that is how it came across to me. I am sure he and Rory will get back together before the end of next season, probably sooner. I don´t really care whether they do or don´t, as long as Jess stays away. Blergh.

[seurat]

It looked to me like last night's ep was the bye to Jess one, but I've thought that before. It does seem that they made a choice to keep one or the other as continuing characters and if that's the case, they certainly made the right choice in Dean. Not that I like Dean, but he rarely makes me want to throw things at the tv.



I haven't posted about the last couple of ep's because there really isn't much constructive to say. They haven't used any more JE scripts, so that's a plus. I have enjoyed seeing Lane's story evolve, and was happy to see her mother come over and see her. (Loved Lorelai's advice to think of the two male roomates as girls and the way Mrs. Kim used it) There's been some funny bits of business here and there, but overall the story arc of the season isn't impressing me too much. Hopefully next season we'll get a few more funny episodes like the spring break one from a few weeks back. I guess I'm shallow, but I prefer my GG light, not crammed with breakups, family tensions and crying.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

Edited by: seurat at: 5/12/04 6:14 pm

[tyche]

Dr G, the last spoilers I read on the whole topic of Rory's love life said that she is going to have a new love interest (i.e. not Dean or Jess, praise the Lord) next season. The guy in question is the one who was introduced to Rory in this last ep by her grandmother. So I really doubt that they would go to the trouble of casting a whole new love interest for Rory, and then go down the Rory/Dean route again.

What kind of novels do you write: fiction or nonfiction? - US immigration officer to Ian McEwan

[urnofosiris]

Thanks Tyche I remember that spoiler now. Given his behavior in the last episode I wonder whether he would be an improvement over Dean and I am no fan of Dean. We´ll see, in the end I think they will hook her up with Dean again. It seems inevitable, kinda like Luke and Lorelai.



Seurat, I thought mrs Kim was great in this episode. Early on in the series I did not really care for her. She seemed too over the top controlling and not just quirkily odd like most of the other characters. Her appearances have been brief this season, but I have grown to really like her. This last episode she cracked me up, she does not often lose her composure, but she does it well.



Edited to remove the spoiler code and to add: I assume episode 22 was the season finale. I really enjoyed this episode. Lorelai really cracked me up. I would have expected the thing with Luke to start next season, as it is, it was a long time coming, hardly a shocking surprise and it´s fine by me. I am certainly not a Luke/Lorelai shipper, but it could be interesting, especially if he is forced to dine with the in-laws.

It appears Dean turned out to be Rory´s love interest at the end of this season that was rumored earlier. Whoever would have thought that saintly Rory would become the other woman. At least it wasn´t Jess.

Edited by: DrG at: 5/20/04 9:25 am

[seurat]

I don't think that it's a given that Dean will be Rory's love interest next season, despite what happened in this ep. Lorelai's reaction, and the fact that we last see Rory crying out on the steps after phoning Dean and hearing Lindsey answer, leads me to think that this might have been a one time thing. And if they make Rory pregnant as a result of this,I'm going to lose it. Let's hope they don't go that route.



It was indeed the season finale btw, and I agree it was pretty good. Nicely written, and I particularly enjoyed the Heathers reference. I'm far from a Luke/Lorelai shipper, but we all knew this was going to happen and I suppose it's good that they got it started now rather than stringing it out for another half a season. And they finally got the mother/father breakup out in the open too. And opened the Inn, which looks promising, so it was a pretty jam packed ep when you think about it. Hopefully next season will be more satisfying overall, will less input from a certain writer/producer.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[urnofosiris]

Oh I am not sure Dean and Rory will continu their relationship next season, at least not right away. I had read a spoiler months ago about a new love interest for Rory by the end of this season and the only guy I´ve seen so far appears to be Dean, not exactly new, but maybe that was the "surprise". Who knows, maybe they got it out of their systems and now they can both move on.



There were a lot of great visual jokes and witty lines stuffed into this episode, I think it is my favourite this season. I hope next season will continu the way this one ended. Amy Sherman-Palladino can write and direct every episode as far as I´m concerned.

[tyche]

Here's an article with some spoilers and casting details for next season. (It also contains 'Smallville' spoilers.)

tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|89388|1|,00.html



Edited to add: for those of you wondering whether the gay jokes would continue in S5, the answer is here, under episode 3. (Spoilers, obviously, including a big one about a recurring character.)

If you think this world is bad, you should see some of the others.- Philip K. Dick

Edited by: tyche at: 9/16/04 12:58 pm

[urnofosiris]

Thanks Tyche I am curious to see how it will play out on screen.

[sam7777]

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Amy Sherman-Palladino can write and direct every episode as far as I´m concerned.

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DrG: Now that would rock and is certainly possible: J Michael Stracynski wrote all the eps of several seasons of Babylon 5.

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I still see dead lesbian cliches

[tyche]

Just as we get rid of one ex-ME writer, another pops up (from an Aint It Cool News article, which I'll post in its entirety on the other board...)

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Rebecca Kirshner [aka Rebecca Rand Kirshner] ('Help,' 'Touched'), a 'Freaks & Geeks' vet who was on 'Las Vegas' last season, has joined 'Gilmore Girls.'

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Oh, is George W. Bush a Republican? - my mother, demonstrating her intimate knowledge of American politics.

[urnofosiris]

Well I prefer her over Jane Ew any day. I´m looking forward to this season. They have started to air s4 here and I just realized how much I do not like Rory these days, but Paris more than makes up for that, even if she is not in every episode.



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I saw the first episode. Not the best one I have seen for sure. What a difference compared to the season finale. Both were by Amy Sherman Palladino. Go figure.



Dean came off, not just as his usual airheaded boring self, but as a nasty psycho to his wife, who had regressed way too many centuries in the way she was trying to please her man. Still, the way he acted toward her was inexcusable and she should run away while she can, preferably before he starts using puppies for target practice. Luke and Lorelai were sort of cute, but now whatever tension they had is deflating fast.



I dislike Rory and I don´t think that is going to change any time soon. The best part about the episode for me was Lane, she is adorable, the line about her mother being able to hear their (sex) conversation no matter where she is cracked me up. I can´t wait till Paris shows up again.

Edited by: DrG at: 9/24/04 12:48 am

[BytrSuite]

Heh, I watched because unless I get really bored or really pissed off, I'll probably continue to do so just because it's a habit.



Yeah, I haven't liked Rory for a while now, and Lorelai has had her moments where I've wanted to smack the hell out of her. But, Lauren Graham is so, so hot, heh, and I am perfectly capable of being shallow.



Lorelai and Luke were pretty cute, though I've never been much of a fan of them getting together. I just hope it doesn't ruin their friendship. That's one of the few things I still liked about the show.



Lane is cute but I was a little offput by her being all happy for Rory for having sex with her married ex-boyfriend. Just eh.



Love love love Emily and the window bit. She's brilliant.



Dean is an asshat and he can just go away now. Stupid.



I missed Paris, sigh.

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Bender: Y'know, I was God once.
God: Yes I saw. You were doing well until everyone died.

[urnofosiris]

I think that if Rory would have had sex with a real dildo (and not a fake one like Dean) Lane would have been equally excited. I think that vicarious first time excitement clouded her judgment. Emily climbing out the window and losing her skirt was amusing. She is an odd woman.

[seurat]

I really haven't had the energy to comment on this ep yet, which probably tells you what I thought of it. It wasn't bad, but for an ep both written and directed by Amy it was a disappointment.



They are obviously setting up Dean's fall and disappearance from the show with this stortyline. I'm just waiting for them to give him a villian's moustache to play with, or a black cowboy hat. I actuallky found Lindsay's behavior sort of touching though, she's desperately trying to save the relationship, I'm not convinced she's that much of a fool usually. And of course in next week's show she gets her angy moment.



Lane was by far the best thing in the ep, love that she wigged out when someone touched her drums. And changed the height of her drum stool! I've known some drummers, he's lucky she didn't flatten him right there.



Lorelai and Luke's conversation at the end was the best written in the ep I thought. And I still don't dislike Rory, but I sure am getting sick of what they've been doing to the character. I wasn't that impressed with the Emily/Richard feud,but mainly that's because I want all this angst to be over. One of these days the show will make me laugh again. But probably not next week...

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[urnofosiris]

Lindsay´s character seems to be getting abused by both Dean and the writers. First she was this shallow selfish bratty wife that ´drove´ poor Dean into Rory´s arms. Now she seemed like a kicked puppy, a sweet girl trying desperately to win back her cheating ill tempered husband´s affections. I hope she kicks him to the curb, the curb all the way across town, kicking all the way.

[tyche]

I thought the first 2 eps of this season were okay, though the premiere was better than the 2nd ep. They are actually dealing with the Lorelai/Luke thing fairly well at the moment - better than I expected, in fact.

I really don't like either Lindsey or Dean, so I tend to think that they deserve each other, and I am just counting the episodes till Dean leaves town. (Though I have to admit, Jared Paladecki has been looking hunkier now he finally has a decent haircut.) Rory has been so well-behaved for so long, I'm kind of glad that this storyline has given her a chance to screw up and do something stupid. After all, young people do deeply stupid things all the time...

Paris will apparently be in next week's ep, for those having withdrawal symptoms.

Also, zap2it have a spoilery article about an upcoming guest appearance:

tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial...1|,00.html

Oh, is George W. Bush a Republican? - my mother, demonstrating her intimate knowledge of American politics.

[urnofosiris]

I liked episode two better than the first. I too think they are handling the Luke and Lorelai thing pretty well. Dean does look better, but he is not less of an ass. Begone already. Lane was amusing again, but I certainly hope they are not seriously going to pair her up with Beavis or whatever his name is.



Edited to say I like episode 3 better than 2. It is going well. Joan of Arcadia´s old lady god was guest starring in this episode. Very happy to see Paris again. So far I like this season of GG better than I do JoA, quite the reversal from last year, but the season is still young.

Edited by: DrG at: 10/10/04 12:48 am

[seurat]

G, as it happens I saw both the latest JOA and GG last night one after the other and I agree with you. JOA has started on an off note, but it will get better no doubt. Thie third ep of GG was really enjoyable, very good script by Amy, including a few very funny pop-culture references - particularly liked the plot summary of Some Kind Of Wonderful and the offhand way she threw it in, you either get the reference or you don't. She really knows her audience. I wasn't as impressed with the parent's ongoing feud, but the poolhouse/mainhouse idea was pretty clever.I loved the way Emily walked into the dorm party and made herself comfortable (and the way Marty took care if the keg arrival in the background scene was great.) Hopefully Rory is about to shut down Dean for good and give Marty a chance. Paris was in fine form and the town meeting wass hilarious. They are handling the Luke/Lorelaid ship a lot better than I expected. A very strong ep, lets hope it continues.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[urnofosiris]

I got the feeling that preppy rich kid will manage to get Rory´s interest going as well. As long as they are not Dean and Jess I am more than fine with it. Anyone else will do.

The Luke Lorelai thing is being handled better than I thought it could be handled. Lorelai´s obvious disappointment about not being the object of the town´s gossip was amusing and then the matter of fact way it was brought up at the town meeting was funny.

[tyche]

I enjoyed last night's ep less than the other eps so far this season. The Rory/Dean stuff is beginning to grate - bring on Rory's new love interest already. Please.

I have a feeling that Rory is going to tell Paris where to stick her printing press before too much longer.

I ended up feeling sorry for Taylor, even though he's annoying egotist. Sookie took to being a political wife pretty well, I thought. Maybe she should persuade Jackson to run for president.

Glad we got to see a bit more of Lane. The stuff with her band was fun.

Also, Zap2It have some potentially spoilery casting info:

tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial...1|,00.html

Pro bono, which I think means,'Sucker Who Doesn't Get Paid' in Latin.

- Veronica Mars

[seurat]

Well, it wasn't an ep written by Amy, so it was destined to be a little less fun. Did love Lane's line about Rilo Kiley though, and all of the stuff about the band was good. Be interested to see how Zack reacts to Lane now. I felt no sympathy for Taylor whatsoever, they can't expect to build him into a cardboard one dimensional pest for several years and then suddenly expect us to feel sorry for him when his kingdom collapses. The Rory/Dean thing can go away immediately. He was real believeable telling her he would have left Lindsay anway. Riggghhhht. Of course you would have. Oh and loved the printing press. Comes complete with space to move it, six inches in any direction. Gotta love Paris.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[urnofosiris]

I felt no sympathy for Taylor either. He is obnoxious in every way. ´Just move your green house over half a feet to the left and all will be well´. I guess it is meant to be amusing and part of his "quirky" character and maybe he is secretly very nice to puppies or something but I know there really are city employees like that who use whatever little power they have to make the lives of others miserable to justify their own useless jobs. I cannot stand them for real and I cannot stand it in fiction.

Dean showed flashes of the psycho boy he really is again. What a fucker and that slouching and shoving his hands in his pantpockets thing he does bugs me too. There is literally nothing that does not bug me about him. He should marry Taylor and go on an everlasting honeymoon in a galaxy far far away. That said, I liked the episode well enough. Paris and that printing press amused me.

Edited by: DrG at: 10/16/04 2:04 am

[Garner]

I am pretty new to GG, having just watched a few of the eps from last season and taking a while to get into it. However, I have been watching the ABC Fam channel reruns of the earlier ones and they definitely seem to have more heart and to be funnier. I also have to admit to not liking Dean from the start. He seems OK at times, but in the long run not the right person for Rory, though I suppose that is hard to judge. Still, he just isn't amusing enough overall. I also have not liked her sleeping with him while married. I will give credit to him or the writers for really breaking him and his wife up, though it might have been more interesting if he were one of those, "I'll break up with her any day now," but never does types that people always believe. Maybe Rory is too smart for that.



As for Luke and Lorelai, actually that seems pretty natural to me and hinted at enough in the early episodes that I like that they are finally together. It sure took long enough. I wonder if they will stay together or break them up as happy couples are dull (much sarcasim, but at times this is true and if not dealt with right can undercut a show.)



Anyway, I miss some of the snappy banter that seemed more in evidence from the earlier shows.



Garner

[munchkin flavoured jellyb]

OO i love this show! ive been adicted to it since forever! didnt rory kiss some chick once too? hmm..i think it was her...lol anyways awsome show!