Gilmore Girls

[billy]

I should say that last season of GG was my least favorite of the lot, yet I still prefer it over many another show.

I haven't watched any of last season yet and I'm waiting to hear what you guys have to say about the new season before I decide if I'm going to watch it. Hopefully the new producer can fix what went wrong with the series last year.

[Garner]

The new season started, and I have to say that overall, I am pretty impressed. We have to remember that they are starting with the crap that was left over from last year, so that will take a little while to work out. I will grant some leeway for that.

But, so far I liked what I saw. The banter between Lorelai and Rory was still there, flowed well and had some amusing parts. The whole racquet ball section was well done, the lead in to that where Lorelai mentiones them not talking was pretty funny, since that's all they do. Paris was great with the SAT counciling, I really liked that. Sookie and Michelle were amusing, and I liked Babette's little speech and the deal with her unmentionables. I also really liked Kirk crashing into Luke's and Luke laying into Taylor (someone should have done that long ago). And the deal with the rocket was both amusing and sort of touching as well. Though that leads me to one of Rory's biggest faults. She obviously wanted to go to London now, why she didn't just say so to Logan when he mentioned Christmas is beyond me. "Hey, I was thinking maybe I should come out for the summer? What is your schedule like? Are you swamped with getting adjusted? Would it be too much of a distraction? I miss you and would like to see you and don't want to wait till Christmas!" But no, she just says nothing. That sort of annoys me.

The interaction between Luke and Lorelai was interesting, pretty well done, and I did like that they had Luke not liking the pressure of an instant decision in the diner. I would have preferred if at the end if Luke had admitted he was a jerk last season, he didn't know what he was thinking or doing and apologized to Lorelai. I could also see him again confronting Lorelai with why she slept with Christopher. Was it just a momentary thing out of depression, or does she really have feelings for him. I think if he had said that he was pissed she did it, but understood how he drove her to do it, that might have fixed things. Though that is probably not in Luke's character, but again, lack of talking things out seems to be putting distance between them. Still, given what happened, I can handle how they are developing things right now.

Halfcamel, you're right, Chris does come by and screw things up for Lorelai fairly often. I liked when Rory told him not to see or call her anymore and felt that she was right. But I can't help but liking Chris despite all that. He has changed, grown and he and Lorelai do have history together and could be good together. I just think that her and Luke are a better couple. I expect we'll explore Christopher/Lorelai for a while this season, they'll find that they aren't the same people, and don't belong together exactly, and eventually Lorelai will go back to Luke. I can handle that, IF it is a bit more background and as has been said by several people we concentrate more on Lorelai and Rory. I completely agree that they are what made the show great. And I am interested to see how Emily and Richard are going to fit in. Kelly Bishop seemed pretty excited about the season in EW so we'll see.

I give the opener a good B+ I think. I liked it and am optimistic.

Garner

[HalfCamel]

I liked the new episode too, and I actually laughed in some parts.

The scene with Sookie and Lorelai made me extremely uncomfortable, but I guess that was the point. I really felt for Lorelai and I just wanted to tell Sookie to SHUT UP!

Garner, I think Rory didn't say anything to Logan because she still wants to be the good little girl and not cause any conflict and please everyone. But I also think that all the stuff Paris was telling her maybe caused her to doubt where the relationship was going a little bit. I agree she should've said something.

I like how they handled the Lorelai and Luke situation, not to talky but not to quite. I can't wait to see how they handle it.

Jackie

[seurat]

Well, I can't say I liked it as much, but I agree with much of what you've written. I did agree the problems with the ep were caused mostly by all the landmines that ASP left for the new showrunner plotwise, and I can't blame him for having to negotiate through them before we get to anything really enjoyable. I did appreciate that they started back right at the same moment that we ended, and that they showed Lor getting out of there quickly and trying to distance herself from Chris. I liked also that they didn't show Chris much, because I still can't stand the guy. Each to their own, though, I know he has some fans.

I loved the Paris scene, and the arm wrestling, and I actually liked Sookie's oblivious talking while Lor stands there being sad and ignored. The traffic light camera subplot was ok and I liked seeing Lulu again - and hey, she actually had lines this time what a concept - but I thought the car crash ending was telegraphed and not as funny as it could have been. And yes, nice to see Taylor being told off, that should happen more often. Weekly perhaps, but that would mean he'd have to be in every ep, so never mind.


What didn't I like? Well, the dialogue just wasn't up to ASP's standards, it didn't have the flow of her best work. And I hated the last scene, I knew Lor would blurt out what happened with Chris and that Luke would use that as a reason to take off. I wasn't spoiled, I haven't cared enough about the show recently to bother with that, I just knew they would go with that because it would be the most harmful thing they could do and will keep those two apart for half a season or more. And let's hope it's only a half season, because if she ends up with Chris, I'm done.

So yeah, lots of decent little bits, the racquetball etc, and a couple of very good scenes, but on the whole, I couldn't give it more that a C.

[HalfCamel]

I think that if Lorelai starts to explore the Chris relationship it's going to be because he's the anti-Luke and she's still going to be hurt and she'll want to distance herself as much as she can. Plus, those two just get eachother, so there won't be the occasional explaining she has to do with Luke, and I think right now she just wants to be. But I really don't think that she'll end up with Chris.

My two cents, anyways.

Jackie

ETA: No one has mentioned April yet. So at the end of the episode Luke was determined to get Lorelai to marry him. He wanted to go off to Maryland or wherever and get it done... without mentioning April once. It was just gonna be them two. Now, I understand that Luke was desperate, but didn't he postpone the wedding because of April. Don't you think he'd want her to be there? After all, she is the cause of all this mess. I think it isn't appropriate for him to want to April in his life but not want her at his wedding... or Rory.

[Garner]

Actually, I was encouraged by the lack of mention of April and that crap. I thought that was one of the positive signs for this season, and if they sort of ignore April, I will not be that upset. As for the end, well, eloping generally means no one else at the wedding. Lorelai didn't seem to care whether Rory could make it or not in last season's finale, so I don't see Luke thinking about that either. Though, in truth, I think both would want Rory there. April, well, I put that to Luke deciding he had made a mistake and bringing in April would upset Lorelai so he decided to not mention her.

I also agree the dialog wasn't up ASP's best, but I could always tell when another writer did an ep even when she was around. While I'll miss her scripts, I think new overall direction should help.

Garner

[seurat]

I did notice the total absence of April, and was torn between being happy that the unnecessary complication that she represents wasn't around, and being a little annoyed that someone who was so important to Luke only hours earlier was completely driven out of his mind at this point. I guess we can be kind and say the writer wants us to think that Luke was completely off his game because of what happened with Lor, and that it wasn't just lazy writing.

I just don't agree about Chris/Lorelai and dread seeing them hooking up for any length of time, but that's just me. As long as the Lor/Rory scenes are good, and Paris appears often this season I'll still have enough to keep me watching.

[FineyMcFine]

Paris was pretty funny this episode. Many of the main characters bugged me last season because they acted out of character. I'm finding some of them to be whiny and...whiny this season. But not Paris, she rules. I hope we see some Lane. And Emily and Richard too. But it's kind of sad, while I'm interested in the main characters they're bugging the crap out of me because of where the writing and storyline went and the subsequent situations that those charcters are now put in.

[Garner]

Let's see, this week? I am sort of torn on this week's ep. It had Lane in it, but I didn't find her stuff all that funny. It is mildly amusing she is coming to her mom's take on sex, but that seems more like RRK who wrote the ep than Lane? Maybe? The whole poor honeymoon thing and all that just seems out of place with Rory and Logan separated by distance and Luke and Lorelai going through their turmoil, too much marriage sucks from Lane would overbalance the show in the dismal outlook direction.

No Paris, no grandparents, no Micheal, and we got TJ and Liz instead, whom I am not incredibly fond of. On the up side, the scene with TJ hugging Luke was amusing, and earlier I thought Luke was going to take a hammer to him, which would have been fun. I also did like Liz's talk about him and Lorelai being in two different places, and saying that normal people in a relationship don't not tell their SO's about a kid. That was nice. It also looked like Luke was ready to break down a bit during this scene. He seemed very sad and ready to cry, or to me that's how it seemed. I also loved Kirk as Luke with his own diner, that was awesome, especially the no cellphones sign. And I loved Luke slugging Christopher. And Lorelai making fake Asia for Rory was good and their interaction was good.

The Lorelai/Luke scenes were sad and sort of interesting. I found the first meeting on the street where Luke was heavy into denial and acting like a jerk OK, and later when they met in the grocery store more touching. The writing here is still better than last season and at least I feel the characters are starting to act a bit more like themselves, even if they are dealing with dumb stuff from last season.

So it was an OK ep, not as good as last week, but still not bad and with hope for good stuff to come. There were enough nice moments that it did feel like Gilmore Girls.

Garner

[HalfCamel]

Hi everyone! I missed last Tuesdays episode because I was out of the country and I forgot to record the it. Does anyone know where I could watch the epsiode online?

Thanks!

Jackie

[HalfCamel]

So what did everyone think of yesterday's episode? I liked it, although not as much as the premier, and I was laughing through most of the ep... well not laughing laughing, but a good chuckle. There was a lot of talk in this episode, which isn't unusual but I noticed it a lot more. I kinda had to concentrate to keep up.

The diner scene with Patty and Babette was kinda grating. There's only so many times you ask "what's new" without it getting annoying. And I don't believe that they didn't say anything about Luke's new cap, which is the first thing I noticed.

The word "Pop-Tart" was said a gazillion times! Just like "sex" was said a gazillion times in last weeks episode. I didn't find the need or humor in that. But maybe I'm just being to picky.

I assuming the little girl in the cotillion with the Converse shoes was suppose to be a representation of Lorelai when she was little. I found that cute. And I liked the connection between the little girl and the cotillion and Lorelai figuring out that she does things to spite her mother. But I found it insecure of Lorelai to come to that conclusion so late in her life. I mean she had mentioned before in the past that she did things to rebel against her mother and that lifestlye, so I don't see why they made just a big fuss of it now.

I liked that Rory went to the bookstore to read up on how to be naughty, it was totally in character for her.

I don't like the "Lane-being-pregnant" storyline. Why is there the need to bring in so many kids into the show. First Sookie and her babies; then Liz and her pregnancy, which what happened with that one? Then there was Lorelai thinking she was pregnant, and then April. I really, really hope there isn't a Rory-prenancy-scare this season.

But on a happier note, I'm glad that we're getting a lot more Lorelai/Rory interaction. And it's nice to see Christopher actually being Rory's dad. Although I didn't like the "I'll wait for you forever" speech he gave Lorelai. It was kinda hypocritical of him to say that, when he got pissed at Lor a few season's back when he was with Sherry because she told him that on some level she was waiting for him to get his act together so they could be together.

Anyways, I think the season is starting to pick up and I hope we get some good ep's in the weeks to come.

[Garner]

Well, I think I liked this one a bit better than last week's actually. I found the opening amusing, and it was nice to see Richard and Emily again, though I did find Emily a tad nastier than normal, just sort of out of hand, rather than her sort of snarky-nasty. But that wasn't a big deal. I did like Micheal and Lorelai and was glad they got a fair amount of air time together. I noticed Luke's new hat, which is the first time he's changed his hat since Lorelai bought him the other one in season 1. That says quite a bit about where he's at, which is sad and too bad. Babette didn't bother me much in the diner.

I liked Paris, especially when she had 'friend' time for Rory, that was cool, Logan was OK, Rory did seem more in character with her Chilton years self so that was nice to see, and I liked her interaction with Lorelai again. The pop-tart bit was amusing, though I agree, the big revelation/questioning whether she does stuff for herself or to spite her mother should have been obvious before and she has mentioned it herself.

I liked Zach and Lane a lot more this episode than last. On the pregnancy thing, I saw on another board that the actress, Keiko (I forget the last name A something, sorry) is supposedly pregnant in real life and that is why her character is being written as so. It has nothing to do with overall script or storyline, but RL intruding. If that is the case I will overlook this, and they are dealing with it OK so far, given that constraint. It was nice to see Zach and Lane on the same page and how they got there.

Not a great ep, but the Cotillion stuff was amusing, and there was a lot that was just sort of nice about this ep. The Chris part at the end was interesting, reminded me a bit of Willow and Oz, but like that pairing, I still think right now Lorelai should be with Luke, not Chris. I don't hate Chris, and think the two will be interesting together. We'll see what happens.

Garner

[seurat]

Well, I haven't commented since the premiere so I suppose I should add something to the discussion this week. I also thought this week's ep was a bit better overall than the previous one. I thought the cotillion was actually a good idea and also enjoyed seeing Michel/Lorelai spend a bunch of time together. And I thought it was interesting that Lorelai ended up having a good time. I also hate the Lane baby storyline but if they were forced into it by RL events then I suppose I can forgive them. Still think they could have handled it more realistically though, and the fact that abortion/adoption scenarios have never even been mentioned bugs me no end. (Though I quite understand the character would probably never go that way, nor would the network be happy about it. Just would have been good to see it at least brought up.)

As for the previous week, I liked the Kirk duplicating Luke's cafe scene, and I thought the Lorelai creating "Asia" for Rory was in character and decently done. I also loved seeing Liz (of all people) giving some truth to Luke about how bad his decision to not tell Lorelai about April looked to her - and to most of us - although I don't agree with her overall feeling about the two of them not being meant for each other. And I also liked Rory telling off Lorelai for sleeping with Chris, and also the fact that she was there for Lorelai in the end anyway.

What else? Oh I liked the little Paris scenes too of course. Would we could have more of that and less of Chris. I've made my feelings known about that character and his actions before so I won't dwell on them. Let's just say I don't hate him any less after this week's ep. Unfortunately from the previews it looks like next week is going to be all Lorelai/Chris, so I think I'll do myself a favor and skip next week's show. Hopefully they'll discover they aren't right for each other at this point in their lives soon and I will only have to miss one week of the show.

[urnofosiris]

I really wish that guy would get his own show again. I liked him on ´I´m with her´. Too bad that one got cancelled after one season, I actually liked it a lot. Anyway, I cannot see Chris do anything that will improve my opinion of him other than stopping pursuing Lorelai. Clearly he is willing to settle for a woman who loves another man more than she ever will him and apparently Lorelai is willing to settle for less as well so maybe they deserve each other. Luke is being an ass anyway with his we don´t belong together crap. Bleh, anyway, I like everything else so far. Paris is great and as long as all we see of her midget boyfriend is text messages I am all the happier for it. I am not bothered my Lane´s pregnancy at all, whatever the reason for it. I like how she and Zack bonded over it, maybe they ended up having some decent sex after that smooching they got into.
Babette actually amused me with her pointing out everything that has not changed except Luke´s hat.

[Garner]

Another week, another GG. This one was decent though relatively low key. We did get the return of April and for a change this didn't bother me that much. Her interaction with Luke was pretty good and amusing, especially his brown bachelor apartment. Since she isn't a current point of contention between Lorelai and Luke I don't find her that annoying. I would rather have had a good Luke/Lorelai, but...

The Emily getting arrested was awesome. Especially her refusal to take the breathalizer test. And Lorelai's reaction was priceless. I even found Chris to be OK in this ep.

I am split on Rory's new friends. They are sort of strange, which is ok, sort of cliched and were awfully chummy awfully quick, but, Rory SHOULD have some female friends her own age besides Paris. Are they too close to Louise and the other Chilton girl whose name escapes me?

I did like Miss Patty in this ep, but I usually like her. Overall, it was a decent ep without being great.

Garner

[Auriam]

I love this show but i'm in the 4 season :(

[HalfCamel]

So no thoughts on GG since October?

I'm kind of mixed on how I feel about the season so far. Some episodes seem like the characters are on speed with all that no stop chattering and some eps are really mellow and relaxed. I think there was more of a balance with ASP. Besides that I can't really complain... it's not the GG of yesteryear but it's not horrible either. I hate to admit it, but I'm watching because I can't not watch, and not because I absolutely "need" to. I'm still enjoying it though.

I liked yesterdays episode... I thought it was funny and it moved along well. I loved, loved, loved the opening seen. That was classic Lorelai.

Now, I hate to admit it (since I was always bitching about Chris) but I'm liking Lorelai and Chris together. I think the fact that he's matured a great deal is a big factor. Also, their relationship comes natural and they compliment each other and, like I've said before, they both just get eachother. The more they show L/C together, the more I'm starting to see how different L/L were/are. Yes, Luke loved Lorelai, but he always had that face like he was just confused with her essenctricities (sp?) and didn't get her half the time and was just going along with it. Chris on the other hand, plays along and seems to enjoy her rants. Right now, I'm not really sure who I'm rooting for.

Chris regretting not being there for Rory when she was growing up seemed more believeable this time. Other times he said it it seemed like he was just saying it to say it.

Luke and April. I'm glad he's getting to know his kid after so long, buuuut I don't really care and I think they're taking up too much screen time. That time could be used for Sookie, Paris, Michel.... We've never seen much behind Luke's life, so why start now.

I was going to say I think Luke should be fighting for Lorelai, but then I remembered that he spent about 5 years just waiting for Lor to make the move and decide for them... so this is in character for him.

Sookie feeling guilty over the veggies was cute, although a little over the top.

I'm really liking Rory. She's not doing that high-pitched, whiny, catered-to thing she was doing when she was staying with the Grandparents. She's more down to earth and like-able. I think Alexis Bledel is doing a great job with the character. Could it coincide with ASP's departure? Seems like.

[HalfCamel]

GAH! She

Spoiler:

married him!

I know I was saying I kinda like them together, but

Spoiler:

not married!

I wasn't expecting it. I thought she was gonna stick to her guns

Spoiler:

and wait.

I hope Rory gives her a good verbal assault.

So what do the writers want to prove with this? That Lorelai isn't really herself? That she's settling? I know she's just pretending to be okay with the whole her and Luke not being together thing but...I don't really get it, forgive me. This entire show has been based on her and Luke flirting and running around eachother and how they've always been star-crossed lover or whatever. But what now? I can't see where this is going.

And did I miss something with Rory? Why did she quit being the editor? Can someone explain, please? I liked that she had that mini-meltdown about her future... everyone goes through it.

I used the spoiler tags cuz I don't know who hasn't seen it.

Am I the only one still watching? chirp, chirp.... cricket, cricket

[urnofosiris]

I am still watching, but dear lord am I happy to be spoiled (I am not letting tags stop me ). I´ll comment more after I have seen the latest episode. I like this season well enough btw, regardless of that guy.

[seurat]

Well, since the ep was on two days ago here, and since two major newspapers here had columns detailing all of what happens with much critical commentary the morning of the program airing before anyone had a chance to watch, I'm going to go ahead and say what I think about this without the spoiler tags. So anyone who doesn't want to know should stop reading now.

Ok, I've been aware of the marriage for weeks as it was widely known and endlessly discussed online. In one of the columns I mentioned earler the writer compared Lorelai's elopement with Chris as being like Lizzie from Pride and Prejudice marrying Mr. Collins at the end instead of Darcy. That's a little unfair to Chris, but it does show how against the grain of the whole history of the show this marriage is seen. How do they fix it? i seriously doubt they can. Even if she reconsiders and goes back to Luke in the end, her marrying Chris makes it impossible for me, and many others, to believe in the character again. I also thought they would have a relationship for awhile and then break up, which would have been acceptable. The marriage changes that. At this point, I'm watching the show for everything else except her and Chris. I also thought that Chris seemed to be getting second thoughts about her, remember the lecture
scene when he's trying to follow the astro-physics prof and she;s constantly yammering away? And then they go to Paris -or more accurately, some not very believable sets meant to look like Paris mixed in with some stock shots - and bam, they are a perfect couple again. I don't buy it.

Ok, rant over. Spme of the other stuff has been fine, Laine's baby story has been a pleasant diversion and I've liked where Rory is being taken as a character. Even the clones of her old friends from Chilton, Madeline and Louise, are ok. Oh, and I believe her resigning as Yale editor had to do with built-in term limits btw. But all of this is overshadowed by the Chris/Lorelai storyline for me. I still watch,, and will likely watch to the end, but Ithink they've killed the show for a lot of people.

[Brianna]

Here in Spain the show has been on the screen quite little time and has sufered from emision time changes but a friend of mine has bougth the dvds and hey! Love the show!! I'm on 1st season and I love it!

[urnofosiris]

Keep on watching Brianna, there are so many good episodes to come and even the bad ones I find more enjoyable than most other shows good ones.

Speaking of bad, I had to fast forward through most of the Lorelai/Chris scenes to protect the contents of my stomach and the integrity of my teeth. Never ever did I smell so much (French) cheese on this show as in the few snippets of dialogue between them I actually could not avoid. All that spooning made me want to hurl. I will never like that guy. I do not believe he has grown an emotional inch since he was 16.

He took advantage of Lorelai when she came crying on his shoulder and he curled up to her like he owned her, knowing full well she was in love with someone else and he was helping her to ruin what he should have been helping to fix if he truly cared about her happiness more than his own. When Lorelai very tactfully tried to point out to him that maybe it was not such a good idea to ship off your very very young daughter to the other side of the ocean with only a teenager as a chaperone to spend months with a woman she had no conscious memory of and that he in all his wisdom knew had been transformed based on the contents of a letter and who would not keep her permanently to be a good mommy again, he acted like a petulant child and accused her of being jealous and insecure. Just last week he was trying to show off to Rory and her colleagues by acting popular and cool to make up for his own stupid insecurities and lost time, because yeah, buying friends and inviting them all on a ski trip makes you a good daddy to your adult daughter.

I don´t buy them as a couple, if Luke had not had been given April as a lame prop (I actually like her, just not how she has been used) to act like and asshole and he would have given in to Lorelai´s ultimatum that night instead of the next day they would be married now and somehow I do not think Lorelai would be having the look on her face she had in the very final moment of this episode.

I liked the rest of the episode, though I am puzzled by the reappearance of Marty. Like Rory, I wonder what the big deal is there.

[HalfCamel]

though I am puzzled by the reappearance of Marty. Like Rory, I wonder what the big deal is there.

That was my exact thought. It seemed rather pointless, and it didn't seem like it was going to lead anywhere in the future.

I don't know if it's because I'm not paying as much attention to the show as I use to but... I can't really tell where things are going. I can't even speculate. Like with the whole Marty thing, a week later I'm still thinking "Whuuuuuuut?"

I hope this whole mess is going to get sorted out soon so we can have our Girls back.

[urnofosiris]

I knew he would show up when they showed him in the previously on Gilmore Girls clips. When I heard Rory´s friend talk about ´boyfriend´ I knew that it would be him. So no surprise there. I fear the reason of reintroducing him is to create some sort of other soap like drama between Rory and her friend (because we have not had enough of that with Lorelai and Luke). Maybe ´girlfriend´ will become jealous etc etc. I hope I am wrong and that he remains pointless rather than have him become a tool for yet another cliche.

[HalfCamel]

Wow... I can't even... this last episode was just...

I can't believe Christopher just wanted to move out all of Rory's stuff without even pretending to get some input from her. It's like he just wants to replace Rory with GiGi, and pretend that he's going to start his little family like he's wanted. He could've at least suggested they build an extra room or something for the kid. He hasn't even tried to deal with the issue of being a crappy, absentee dad. Which is what he's doing again by dumping off GiGi in Paris. And then he wants to move in and start changing everything around? No Chris, don't ask Lorelai IF she wants new t.v.'s, just tell her where you want to put place them! WTF?

So where is Rory gonna live now? I doubt with Paris. Is she going to go back home only to find her room has been converted into a playground? Which in turn will start the drama that's going to "fix" this stupid plot. I hope so. Well, I hope for something I just don't know what.

I don't know why Lorelai's red flags didn't go up when she realized that by talking to Rory about getting married she would talk herself out of it. That's not a good way to start anything.

I felt bad for Luke at the end. I hope he gets the courage to talk to Lor soon.

And what happened to the part where Luke and Chris were gonna go at it? Wasn't that in the previews? Did it get cut out?

Besides the my rollercoaster of emotions about Christopher, that's about all I find myself caring for the show nowadays.

[HalfCamel]

I fear the reason of reintroducing him is to create some sort of other soap like drama between Rory and her friend (because we have not had enough of that with Lorelai and Luke). Maybe ´girlfriend´ will become jealous etc etc. I hope I am wrong and that he remains pointless rather than have him become a tool for yet another cliche.

Oh DrG, how I fear you're probably right.

HA! I loves me some Paris.

And poor poor Luke... so sad. At least he stood up A woman in his life.

That's all I gotta say about that.

[urnofosiris]

I was bugged as well that Chris so easily decided it would be ok to annexate Rory´s old room regardless of what Rory might feel and more importantly regardless of what Lorelai was clearly feeling. Obviously Gigi needs a room once it is convenient for her daddy to have her return from France, assuming her reformed sainted mother will let her, and indeed it may be that it has to be Rory´s old room, but he rather unilaterally forced that option. I am a bit amazed that this big old house only has two bedrooms so this very young girl will have to sleep alone downstairs and daddy and stepmommy have to sleep upstairs. It does not strike me as a particularly safe arrangment, but I guess it worked well with Rory. As it is, any sleepover guests, Rory obviously, will either have to sleep with Gigi or crash on the couch. An added room would not seem like an unreasonable alternative. He has been an ass all last year, but somehow I don´t think Luke would have simply emptied Rory´s room without Lorelai´s specific consent to move in April´s stuff (if she were to have to live with him).

[HalfCamel]

I am a bit amazed that this big old house only has two bedrooms...

I never saw it as a big house. From the outside it does look big, but from the inside it doesn't. It's the living room, the small little hallway, and then the kitchen and Rory's room immediately after that. I always assumed that upstairs was just Lorelai's room and the bathroom because they've never mentioned any other room upstairs. When Kirk and Paris slept over that time they both slept in the living room.

An added room would not seem like an unreasonable alternative.

Not at all. Chris insists on throwing money all over the place, but he doesn't even consider shelling out a few thousand dollars to add a room for his own daughter? What a selfish ass, but not at all surprising.

He has been an ass all last year, but somehow I don´t think Luke would have simply emptied Rory´s room without Lorelai´s specific consent to move in April´s stuff (if she were to have to live with him).

I don't think that idea would have even been in the vicinety of Luke's brain. He has way too much respect for both women to even think it. I believe he would have suggested adding the extra room.

[Garner]

I have been watching the show, just haven't commented much lately.

I am divided on Lorelai and Christopher. I thought the Paris ep was the low point of the season so far as it was too cheesy. I have always thought that Lorelai and Christopher had a close relationship, that he was right for her in the past, but that they had grown apart. The episodes around Sookie's wedding where Chris was back in Lorelai's life and they seemed like they were getting together felt natural to me, showed that Chris had grown and matured, and they worked together, though obviously that was busted up. So I am not entirely against Lorelai/Chris and he is her safety blanket. Someone she does have feelings for, knows, shares a lot with, but maybe doesn't really know. The marriage makes things more complicated, but given how easy people get divorced, is not that big an obstacle in my mind to Luke and Lorelai if they go that way.

The big problem with the show is that last season did happen. It set things in motion that unless one says was all a dream, the writers can't get around very realistically without some major suspension of disbelief. Lets face it, the Luke/Lorelai relationship was seriously undermined last season in very out of character ways. They have gone out of their way to show almost all of the characters not acting like they did last year. I am still willing to let the show develop and wind back to where they might wish it had gone if last season had not happened. Maybe L/L are dead. That would sort of suck, I still feel that Luke is a better match for Lorelai (the old Luke before season 6. Hmmn, why is it that season sixes always seem to be season suxes?) and that he knows the current woman she is better than Chris does. But then, the starcrossed aspects may mean that they never do get together. Maybe Luke will end up with Ana. Her move helps me think that won't happen. But for now, Chris and Lorelai are at least interesting together. Chris has his faults, I definitely agree on the Rory's room issue, they should have another room available upstairs somewhere, or an addition could be made. Maybe Chris will die in some way and that is where they will end up with this relationship?

I have liked Logan and Rory, and hope the return of Marty is a red herring. I never liked Marty much, he is too much of a schmuck and pretty dull. I do like the new friends as Rory needs some peers of her own other than Logan or Paris. Paris has been great again, we need more of her. The townsfolk have been good, and used well for the most part. I like April with Luke right now. And thank god Luke finally gave it to Ana over how she's treating him. He does have rights and he should be willling to fight for them. I even liked how they used TJ and Liz so far this season, and they are my least favorites on the show.

The show isn't up to early on, the humor is there, but in slightly smaller blips, though more so than last season. Overall, I still like it, the characters, and think we have improved dramatically from last season. Whether they can maintain that remains to be seen.

Garner

[seurat]

i'm always interested to read what you think of where the show is these days, and as usual I agree with you to a point.Of course I've never liked Chris, and his actions at the knitting fundraiser just showed again why he will never be bearable to me. He was trying to do a good thing, and if he had waited until near the end of the event to make a donation putting them over the top it would have been fine. But to do it then shows he just doesn't get it, not the town, and not Lorelai either. It was crass and destoyed the event completely. Like his actions at Rory's final days as editor,where he offered them all the absurd ski trip, he seems to think money is the answer and hey,it can be sometimes. But not either of those times. I would like Chris a little better if he wasn't with Lorelai, but can never buy them as a couple.

The writing of the characters has been better this season, although I think they have damaged Lorelai the same way Luke was altered for the worse last season. They are trying to keep up the quality and speed of the dialogue but the strain is showing. Paris is always a joy, April has grown on me and I was thrilled to see Luke stand up to Anna. Rory has been good this season and I think Alexis has been doing a nice job recently. I don't know yet if this season will be better than last season though, that will depend on how they work out this Lorelai/Chris problem.