Skip to content


Joan of Arcadia

Salem Witch Trials, koala bears, SpongeBob: what's on TV and at the movies!

Re: 5/7 Ep

Postby urnofosiris » Wed May 26, 2004 8:03 am

I liked the ending of Gilmore Girls, the best episode of the season for me, but I did not really care much for the way JoA ended it´s season. I felt like the second half of this season was less enjoyable than the first. Still good though. I will definitely keep watching.



The Lyme disease thing was just very silly and it did not make a lot of medical sense to me. It has been a while since med school, but I could have sworn a rash like that is a sign of an acute infection and not something that happens after the bacteria has lain dormant for months. Other (systemtic) symptoms can occur after quite a while though, but Joan has not been carrying that bug around for the entire season. She clearly was not imagining god. I guess this is done to test her faith. Not the audience´s because we could still see god, and now even her parents got to talk to god. So we know this god was not a figment of her imagination. I expect that next season after maybe a few angsty eps for Joan she will regain her faith in herself and god.



I noticed Grace´s reaction to Joan´s telling her she loves Adam. I´m not sure what to make of it, I wonder whether this was scripted or directed. It was interesting for sure. She looked...not jealous, more disappointed I guess. In answer to the Rose´s question, her kissing Luke does not necessarily make me believe she is straight. I kissed boys and I am certainly not a straight woman. She never came out and said what her sexual preference is, she did not deny being gay, but she also did not say she was. I guess only she knows, and whatever she says goes, and whatever it may be does not matter. She is a very interesting character and I like her ambiguity (I don´t just mean her sexuality). Luke scored a good point wben he countered her "anti" statement. Her response cracked me up "I am not that anti". :laugh



I think their relationship is interesting, regardless of whether continu on to become boyfriend or girlfriend, I like their interaction. I do hope we will not see less of Glynis next season. I really like her and I hope to see more of her (and Grace) and less of pa Girardi and Kevin (far less of him).

urnofosiris
 


Re: 5/7 Ep

Postby BBOvenGuy » Wed May 26, 2004 1:37 pm

Quote:
I'm miffed about most of the season finales of my favourite shows this week. Not one of them didn't suck beyond the telling.




I noticed that, too. Maybe not to the degree that you're feeling, but most of the season finales I saw were disappointing.



I didn't like Grace and Luke at all. They'll really have to do a good selling job on that with me. I liked God's appearance at the end, but I didn't like the conversation between the parents that preceded it. It was like everyone suddenly forgot the principle of "show, don't tell." :happy



As for Joan herself, she's in a spiritual dry place right now, which everyone goes through from time to time. I'm sure things next season will bring her through it.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

BBOvenGuy
 


Re: Thursdays and Fridays

Postby Webberific » Thu May 27, 2004 11:11 pm

Apparently, the show (a repeat, of course) was on tonight, and again will be on next Thursday and Friday nights. At this point, I'm not sure if the Thursday-Friday summer rerun thing will continue beyond the first week of June.

Webberific
 


Last two eps

Postby Gatito Grande » Fri May 28, 2004 9:45 pm

Howdy y'all.



When I got back from my NYC graduation, the power in my apartment was out---so that didn't bode well for my taped JofA finale. Sure enough: I managed to tape 5 out of 6 shows, but the one that didn't tape was JofA (though I did get the penultimate ep).



Anyhoo, that left me bummed enough to avoid this thread till now. However, I finally found a decent synopsis here: www.mysteriousmessage.net...id345.html so I'm ready to party.



Well, I have to say that the ep reads pretty well. Lots of complexity and ambiguity, setting things up for next season.



Because I saw the penultimate ep, "The Gift," I knew that Luke was still thinking about Grace and gave her the geode (NB: do not screw up at Show-n-Tell and call it a "gonad": you will have trouble living it down! :p ). However, I'm still not sure how I feel about the two of them. I have to say that Grace did not seem particularly jealous of Joan (being in love w/ Adam) per se, but I do think she kinda resents all the time the two of them have spent being ooey-gooey w/ each other, and cutting her out.



The description of Luke and Grace in the finale, though: she says she's not into him, and then they kiss? Cliche-o-rama (that was old when it was between Xander and Cordelia in What's My Line? :rolleyes ). Thing is, I like both characters so much . . . just not together. I think.



Kevin continues to be a waste of a handicapped parking-space. How are we supposed to give a damn about a character so immature that he thinks (in "The Gift") that just because "his mistake" had permanent consequences, everyone else's should too? :stink



GG Am I being illogically biased in favor of same-sex relationships, to say I'd like to see Joan and Grace together, simply because they are the two most interesting characters? :hmm I think Helen's fairly interesting too, but *not* going there! :eek Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Last two eps

Postby Cicca » Fri May 28, 2004 10:07 pm

Nope, not illogical! Although I'll argue that Adam is just as interesting. To me anyway. Not as mysterious as Grace still is, but that's because they've been giving him more screen-time. Which is good, but more Grace! I want more Grace!

I think Kevin needs to go to school somewhere. Out of state. Isn't that an excellent idea? :whistle

I'm on the fence with Luke and Grace.

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

Cicca
 


Re: Last two eps

Postby seurat » Sat May 29, 2004 4:20 pm

My feeling about the Grace/Luke ship is that as long as it gets Grace more time on screen, I'm all for it. The kissing scene was every bit as cliched as you'd imagine but the actors played it so well, it wasn't bad at all.

Hope you get it see it for yourself GG. And let's hope Becky finally gets in the opening credits next season.



Love the Kevin out of state idea. Sign me up for the petition.:)

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves



seurat
 


Re: Last two eps

Postby Gatito Grande » Sun May 30, 2004 2:06 pm

Heck, I'd love to see Becky get an Emmy nomination---but I realize that we'll be lucky if Amber T does . . . :sigh



GG Kevin: Out of State College. Let's all chip in for a scholarship! And maybe Will could become a on-campus school cop? Helpful little adjustments! :grin Out

Gatito Grande
 


'No Bad Guy' repeat 6/18

Postby Webberific » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:38 am

GG: Aside from the season finale, you also missed the episode "No Bad Guy" (which includes the Quaker girl), right? Well, in the current schedule of JoA reruns, it's set to repeat on June 18th (not this, but next Friday). At least, that's what my local listings say, but who knows, you might want to make sure for your CBS affiliate just in case.

......

eta, much later...



Never mind! hmmm, what happened? Did it not air last week? I didn't tune in so I don't know what the deal is, but the "No Bad Guy" episode is now in my listings for tonight, June 25th.

Edited by: Webberific at: 6/25/04 3:15 am
Webberific
 


Re: 'No Bad Guy' repeat 6/18

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:56 pm

It ran last week. I think the TV listings are messed up, unless CBS like it so much that they decided to run it two weeks in a row.



Tonight might be the jump rope episode, because I remember seeing that in the TV listings last week and being surprised when it didn't run.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

BBOvenGuy
 


Emmy Nominations

Postby Puff » Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:46 am

Well JoA is nominated for best drama series and Amber Tamblyn has been nominated for best actress in a drama series. Good luck :)



It's a moo point. It's like a cow's opinion. It's moo.
Words of wisdom from 'Friends'

Puff
 


Re: Emmy Nominations

Postby Gatito Grande » Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:28 pm

I'm sorry Becky Wahlstrom didn't get nominated for supporting (boy, there's a phrase I've used on this board before! :happy ), but I guess you have to start somewhere. Congrats to the show and AmberT. :clap



GG Of course, it would help BW's chances immensely if she were promoted to regular Opening-Credits cast member! :pray Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Emmy Nominations

Postby WebWarlock » Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:30 pm

Execellent.



Already doing better than the Show-that-shall-not-be-named.



Good job.



Warlock

-----

Web Warlock

Coming Soon to The Other Side, The Netbook of Shadows: A Book of Spells for d20 Witches


Me: I think I'll have a mid-life crisis and bring home a little red convertible Vette.

My wife: Fine, as long as you don't bring home some little red-head.

WebWarlock
 


Re: Emmy Nominations

Postby urnofosiris » Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:20 pm

I would not consider JoA a drama series, despite the occasional dark episode and the incessant whining of Kevin, I´d sooner call it a comedy, but I guess it does not really fit into that catagory either. Anyway, I hope it wins.





Cartman: Mom--Kitty is being a dildo.

Mrs. Cartman: Well, I know a little kitty who is sleeping with Mommy tonight.


urnofosiris
 


Re: Emmy Nominations

Postby tyche » Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:43 pm

Also, Louise Fletcher was nominated for Oustanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series for her role as Joan's piano teacher. So 'Joan' got 3 noms in total.

For anyone interested in the edited highlights of the nominations, here is the BBC's story and the official Emmys website is here.





Edited to add: for all the Grace fans, here are some recent pics of Becky Wahlstrom with longer hair and very un-Grace-like clothing:

www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=CLB&str=29611&styp=clbi&nm=Becky%20Wahlstrom&nbc1=1

If you think this world is bad, you should see some of the others.- Philip K. Dick

Edited by: tyche at: 8/3/04 2:10 pm
tyche
 


Re: Emmy Nominations

Postby urnofosiris » Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:05 am

I don´t think she looks very un-gracelike, except for those cherries. :p She looks good but I bet the fashion police will flog her for daring to go to a premiere dressed so casually.

urnofosiris
 


Season 2 spoilers

Postby tyche » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:49 pm

The new season starts on Sept. 24th, and TVtome have some spoilers (possibly not accurate) and the CBS summary for the season premiere (probably more accurate) at the link below:

www.tvtome.com/JoanofArcadia/guide.html

Oh, is George W. Bush a Republican? - my mother, demonstrating her intimate knowledge of American politics.

tyche
 


Re: Season 2 spoilers

Postby seurat » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:28 pm

Thanks for that Tyche. I won't comment on the spoilers of course, but I did note that Becky is apparently still not in the regular credits since she's listed as a guest. In every ep (yay for that), but still it really bothers me that they don't give her fulltime status on the show.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves



seurat
 


Credits

Postby tyche » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:55 pm

On the spoilers I've read, Christopher Marquette (Adam) is still listed as a recurring character too. So apparently you only get to be in the main credits if you're a member of the Girardi family. Maybe if Grace ever gets hitched to Luke, Becky will get to be a regular. ;)

Also, www.joanofarcadia.com/ is now back up after having server problems for the last few months. It's an excellent site, so check it out if you're interested.

Oh, is George W. Bush a Republican? - my mother, demonstrating her intimate knowledge of American politics.

tyche
 


Re: Credits

Postby Gatito Grande » Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:08 pm

Becky's in the credits! Becky's in the credits!



GG Yay! :banana Out



ETA: Now, as to the episode: like I said before, I'm wildly ambivalent about Luke/Grace (love 'em both . . . but w/ each other? :happy ).



Interesting to see that Kevin was the only Girardi without a secret (is it cuz he's the only Girardi w/o a personality? ;) ). Will was pissing me off again---but at least he told Helen. Re Helen: former nun Lilly, the catechist, would have been a lot more believable in the 70s, or early 80s, than today (what w/ the JPII crackdown): actually, for that matter, so would Fr. Ken.



Kevin, to Luke: "Women want men to be men." Yeah, like that kind of 'tude is gonna work w/ Grace! :lol Speaking of Grace, I do wish she would kinda deal more w/ all the innuendo (and well-meaning generalities, as w/ Joan), than (literally!) hiding her head under a lampshade. Say it, Grace: "I'm straight!" "I'm bi!" "I don't know what I am!" Just say something. (That's JMO)



Not a lot of Adam in this ep: actually, I find his conversion to belief in divine apparition more credible (in terms of his character) than Adam the Cynical Atheist!



Joan, Joan, Joan (or Jane): don't you know it's better to argue w/ God, than to ignore Her/Him/It? (BTW, gross about the poor bunny). I would have loved to hear Joan cite A Beautiful Mind in terms of making a decision to ignore her "delusions." But loved the ending, where Joan tells God she's breaking up with Him (in His Cute Boy manifestation). "We had some good times . . . it's not you, it's me." :p



In short, an OK start to the season. [Definitely looking forward to Physics Class, though: teacher is hotter than ever! :grin ]

Edited by: Gatito Grande at: 9/24/04 6:33 pm
Gatito Grande
 


Re: Credits

Postby silver179 » Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:05 pm

Quote:
Becky's in the credits! Becky's in the credits!


I shrieked when I saw that. I forgot how much I absolutely love this show! I can't wait to see how this season plays out.



:flower - Stephanie

silver179
 


Re: Credits

Postby skittles » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:43 pm

GG, now aren't you glad I made you tape the show tonight??

skittles

Prepare the child for the path, not the path for the child.

When life hands you lemons, ask for a bottle of tequila and some salt

skittles
 


Re: Credits

Postby Puff » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:13 pm

Woo hoo that Becky was in the credits. The wardrobe people out did themselves last night with Joan, she is a member of the bad wardrobe club :) I think it's great that they tackle the tough issues, such as the 'crazy' issue especially the bunny part, then the part with Kevin strapped to the golf cart, funny but not. I don't like the Luke and Grace relationship. I do like the new ex-nun :laugh she was fun. Great start to the seasons, with some of my favorite gods. Can't wait to see what happens next week. Now I'm off to find out the name of the song they kept playing.



It's a moo point. It's like a cow's opinion. It's moo.
Words of wisdom from 'Friends'

Puff
 


Season premiere (cont'd)

Postby Gatito Grande » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:53 pm

I have to add how much I liked the scene in the hallway, with the (can I call them this?) "Physics Class Six." After Glynnis made the comment about scientists bonding, and Grace made some dismissive response, did you see how Glynnis glared at Grace! :lol (I have to say, I like Glynnis almost as much as Grace---in completely different ways). I didn't catch it till I watched the ep again w/ the captions on (yes, skittles, I'm glad I taped it), how Friedman---whom, like a lot of people I suspect, I love to hate---made the same observation about Science Teacher Lischak (Lischak, Lischak: I keep forgetting her name) that I did! :p And while I'm a believer in nonviolence, kinda loved how everbody kept letting "The Friedman" have it (I had to watch it in slo-mo to see this, but that's Adam, Grace and Glynnis smacking Friedman at the end of the scene).



GG Was anyone else a little afraid that, when Luke broke into his parents' grief-filled moment (insisting they come outside right now), that there was gonna be Grace? (ala "Meet my girlfriend" . . . because she caved?) Thank God---as it were---it wasn't so! :grin Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Season premiere (cont'd)

Postby blackeyedwillow » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:49 pm

i was so unbelievably happy after seeing the episode..'

the quality of the show still seems just as good..and who else finds grace and luke cute as a couple? :)

blackeyedwillow
 


Re: Season premiere (cont'd)

Postby urnofosiris » Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:23 pm

I haven´t downloaded the episode yet. Very cool that Grace is in the credits now. Is she the only addition? Happy to hear Glynnis was in the episode as well.

urnofosiris
 


Re: Season premiere (cont'd)

Postby seurat » Sun Sep 26, 2004 2:41 pm

G, I believe they added Christopher Marguette (sp?) too. It was a real surprise to see Becky in there, and yeah I may possibly have shrieked in delight too. But only in a dignified sort of was of course. Becky looked great in the ep, and as I've said before this wouldn't be my first choice for a relationship for her on the show, but it's fine with me.

I really like Constance Zimmer, the ex-nun character, so I hope she shows up again. This was acrually a really good ep, which shouldn't be a shock, but I wasn't expecting it to be this good right away after the season finale set up the central problem with Joan. You'll enjoy it G.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves



seurat
 


Re: Season premiere (cont'd)

Postby urnofosiris » Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:41 pm

Thanks. :)



Only 1 hour and 20 minutes to go.

urnofosiris
 


Re: Season premiere (cont'd)

Postby Gatito Grande » Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:11 pm

Yeah, Christopher Marquette was added too (adding him and Becky were certainly the two logical cast additions).



One more observation: way to go w/ the poor parenting, Helen. You don't dare try to pull a "Because I'm the mom, that's why" w/ a teenager (if ever). That's exactly the way to get a kid obsessed w/ your private life, determined to hide his at all costs or (most likely), BOTH. If Luke is old enough to ask if you're having problems (in a very compassionate way, I might add), he's old enough to deserve an at least respectful (if not completely candid) response. :miff



GG Is anyone else dying to know where Grace is really coming from? (And will we ever learn?) Just what IS the source of her all-cynical/bitter/acidic-all-the-time 'tude? (If not a coping mechanism for growing up gay, as is looking less likely) :confused Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Season premiere (cont'd)

Postby Hemiola » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:35 am

Hi GG:wave



Well, as I see it, there are several possibilities for explaining the behavior of Grace:



1. There are enormous pressures on the children of the clergy--remember that she is the daughter of a rabbi. Such children often feel "required" to be especially "good", while others feel it necessary to rebel against such a background to achieve "self-actualization". Consider that she won't even call herself by her given name!



2. Of course, the "sexual confusion" issue may still be a factor; she may not be exactly certain where her affections should be directed, which may be a source of stress.



3. She might be frustrated over the lack of outlets for the expression of her already demonstrated literary talent and...



4. Finally, there's the possibility that Grace, who seems to go to great lengths to present herself as a "strong" person, may worry about what effect such things as entering into a committed relationship might have on her self-perceptions of being "powerful" (i.e. she may be afraid that "surrendering" to another person might be [or be seen to be] "weak").



To quote Dennis Miller, of course these are just my opinions, I could be wrong.:wink



Edited by: Hemiola at: 9/27/04 5:39 am
Hemiola
 


Re: Season premiere (cont'd)

Postby Kieli » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:25 pm

Ok is it just me or is anyone else deeply disturbed that Joan's parents sent her off to some camp to be "behaviourally modified" after she admitted to seeing God? I was so disturbed that I could barely watch the episode. That just smacked to me of a parent sending off their gay kid to some camp so that they could come back straight. It sucks that Joan felt like she had to be "normal" in order to get back to her life, with the so-called support she got from her parents, I'm surprised she didn't slit her wrists. :fit2


Time flies by when the Devil drives.
It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end.

Edited by: Kieli at: 9/27/04 4:55 pm
Kieli
 

PreviousNext

Return to Board index

Return to Genuine Molded Plastic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


Powered by phpBB The phpBB Group © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007
Style based on a Cosa Nostra Design