But I'm a Cheerleader

[sprhrgrl]

Yeah, I loved seeing Clea in that Buffy ep. . . I wrote about it somewhere, I think maybe.



The soundtrack to that movie is so bloody hott - I listened it today in the car with one of my bois. We blasted it, and pondered how *everybody* in the world likes it. (grin) My girlfriend mentioned it in one of her diaries and kept getting googled for it, so I'll offer a link to the track list here.



Good times.

sprhrgrl.com

she's my everything

Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara

The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem

[La]

Yeah, I was definitely not the stereotypical cheerleader in high school. heh. I've actually met quite a few non-stereotypical cheerleader types. I think we rock.



Funny thing about this movie is that it came out after I'd already come out in college, but when I was in high school, one of my friends actually asked me if I was gay because I hugged them (my female friends) all the time. I reacted similarly to Natasha's character, with a resounding "no". I had a boyfriend! Silly La-la. If only I'd known back then. Could have saved me the pain of 9 boyfriends in 2 years! (i have to give my last boyfriend credit though, he and I had a really wonderful 2 1/2 year relationship and he had a large part in helping shape who I've become today )

~La



-But they are-are naked!

-Naturally! It's much too dangerous to jump through fire with your clothes on!"

~Lord Summerisle to Sergeant Howie in The Wicker Man, in regards to women jumping over a bonfire during on May Day

[Puff]

I loved this movie, it has so many funny moments and Joel rocked I like Clea as well. Natasha Lyonne wouldn't be what I typically thought of as a cheerleader, but then that could be because I have seen Eliza in Bring it On quite a few times.

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So, the day started and I knew my name and had my pants on. So far, so good. Yay.
Amber Benson

[JJtheCool]

I rented this movie once: so incredibly funny. I couldn't believe the reviewer in EW had the audacity to give it an F. Must've had some bad Peking duck that day.



And sorry for being a temporary ignoramus, but what's an antipodean?

JJtheCool

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*Sigh*

[urnofosiris]

An F? That is crap, the F is crap, not the movie. Anyway, I believe an antipodean is a person living down-under, as in those weird people (New Zealanders & Australians) who walk upside down on the bottom of our planet.

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She's so anally retentive she wouldn't sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture.

--Patsy Stone

Edited by: DrG at: 9/17/03 4:02 am

[Tempest Duer]

Weird? I always thought they were cute.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

[urnofosiris]

Did I say weird? I meant quirky.

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She's so anally retentive she wouldn't sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture.

--Patsy Stone

[Minnie Mone]

Us antipoodeans *are* very cute



And possibly a little quirky.....





I loved this movie! The first time I watched it, I thought it was hilarious. It's a lot of fun to watch, and kind of a no brainer, which can be a good thing!



I'll join in the praise for Clea. That girl has just got that 'it' factor that draws you to her. I've loved her in everything I've seen her in!

[Hanki]

i LOVE this film.. it was on sale so i bought it and must of watched it every day for about a week... i havent watched it for a while though but i know i want to again, lol.



katherine towne (aka the girl in black) rocks my socks.. as do natasha and clea (who i swear gets hotter everytime i watch it...)



thanks for the track listing to the soundtrack.. i had a few songs downloaded but i wasn't sure what some of them were

~ Han ~


"the fatal flaw of 'Who's Gurkhan?' was that nobody cared who he was as long as Gabrielle kept dancing in that skimpy outfit..." ~ me on Xena season six ep 'Who's Gurkhan.'

[vamp xander]

this movie is on dvd?? i'm always the last to know, it was an awesome movie i've seen it quite a few times.

"There will be no touching of the pendant" Halfrek

[KinKness]

I have it on Dvd.. But I live in Austraila We Always Get Dvd's Before americans!.. . Go us!!



and clea duvall is Very Droolie!

[Hanki]

its out on dvd in england.. so depends where you are i guess

~ Han ~


"the fatal flaw of 'Who's Gurkhan?' was that nobody cared who he was as long as Gabrielle kept dancing in that skimpy outfit..." ~ me on Xena season six ep 'Who's Gurkhan.'

[LilacWine22]

hi all



for anyone (in the u.k) who's on a tight budget but wants it on dvd the record store Music Zone is selling them for £5





"LETS RE-WRITE AN ENDING THAT FITS INSTEAD OF A HOLLYWOOD HORROR"



Lilac

[bla bla bla]

they have them at play.com too. £5.99 delivered, same goes with bound, if anyone wants to know



cheerleader here: www.play.com



and they have it at playUSA aswell, for you americans, but i think it's currently out of stock and more expensive. good to be british. *ahem*.



edited to apologise: so my link to cheerleader didn't work. .figures. you'll just have to search for it instead.

"Hey Dykorama!"

"The name's Dyke. O. - and that's Ms. Rama to you."

Edited by: bla bla bla at: 10/2/03 8:49 am

[MellindraX]

I've actually owned this movie for a while, but I got to see it before I bought it, and thought it was hilarious then!

And then of course I got to see it in decent quality, and that's when the general hotness of all as well as the more subtle nuances of physical expression were gifted to me



Of course, I think that you have to know it's kind of sad that on the very first watching of this, for both Clea Duvall and Katherine Towne, I was like 'Hey! Isn't that Marcie Ross from "Out of Mind, Out of Site"?!', and subsequently, 'It's the bitchy vampire chick from "Freshman"!'



And to wrap this little rant up, I think Clea Duvall does look good in this movie, especially at the bar (the black shirt and such), and except for at the very end (where the fuck did they FIND those nasty plastic things you might laughingly deem clothing?!?!)

HOLY SHIT ITS YOU! -Alyssa [Official Best Reaction for Showing of an Amber Benson Picture: http://www.coldarrow.com/plcochet/Chance%205.jpg]

[Chameleon girl]

Quote:

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where the fuck did they FIND those nasty plastic things you might laughingly deem clothing?!?!

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Out of a bad 80's movie set im-a thinkin *involuntary shudder*

Makes you wonder why they weren't burnt on sight.



Oh, I did so love this movie. Clea DuVall was brilliant and strangely enough now at the top of my list of favourite actresses. All through the movie I was thinking "where the hell have I seen the goth girl before?!" Bugged the crap outta me. But, now I know: bitchy vampire chick.

*sigh* staring me in the face all the time, it was.

"Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."

"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."

[BigGayBear]

Awh, man, I LOVE this movie...



I had to rent it about 8 times before I bought it because I couldn't find it ANYWHERE, on VHS or DVD... I ended up finding it in my local HMV on VHS. Then a couple of months ago I found that they had it on sale on DVD, so.. umm... I kinda bought it again.



Obsessive much? But, yeah, it's such a cute movie... I feel all bad moody? I just put my cheery gay type movies on, and I'm all happy again



Al

[Gatito Grande]

Courtesy of Albion College's Coming Out Week activities, I have now finally seen this . . . sort of. Barely. They were showing it off a portable DVD player hooked up to a projector, and the machine and or the DVD was cr*p. It kept skipping, and we finally had to walk 3 blocks to the library, and another DVD player. Seeing the movie chopped and stopped obviously affected my ability to enjoy it . . .



. . . but when I could, there was a lot to enjoy. The casting was a pure delight: I knew about RuPaul, but Catherine Moriarty, Mink Stole, Richard Moll (sp?) and Bud Cort were all fun (boy though, Bud has sure aged a heck of a lot since Harold and Maude!). If I'd heard about Katherine Towne being in it, I either forgot, or just didn't recognize the name then. Having just picked her out of the background of Mulholland Drive, it's great to see her again. (she's one of those "You're not my type, so why are you making me HOT?" kinda chicks )



I have to give mad props to Natasha Lyonne: I can't believe how *different* she is in this flick, compared to the American Pie movies! (all sweet and innocent here, all "been there, done that" in AP). I have to say that (please don't hate me) Clea DuVall is someone who I more want to like, than I actually do. Throughout the movie, I was screaming "Wash your hair!" and then there's that smoking ( ---sorry, I'm allergic) thing. I'm not saying anything against her performance, mind (though I think that Graham could be a little better written character). I saw her in this movie called Sunflower (I think that was the name: she played the daughter of flowerchilden in SF) a couple of years ago, and she was *great* in that.



Of the guys: Joel was the Big Jewish Gay-Guy right? Who played the little boa-dancing musical comedy guy? He was terrific! (I've seen the Asian guy somewhere, and it's driving me crazy).



As far as the movie itself goes---I think the bad nature of the way I saw it prevents me from giving it a fair review. I really liked the various "steps" in the de-gaying process , w/ the scene cards and signature music: too cute. But I still found the flow of the movie to be really uneven (I don't think it was just the DVD freezing up). And what was that "aversion" thing about? I thought the actual joke was supposed to be that "Sinead" (K Towne) was *getting off* on it, but then I wasn't sure. I also think the plot was somewhat hampered by where it didn't (couldn't?) go: the Fundamentalist Christian nature of actual ex-gay programs (I'm guessing the producers were a little afraid to take that on? I also have to contrast it, w/ the South Park I just saw tonight---Cartman's Christian Rock Band---where they're unafraid to zing the Fundies where it hurts! )



I found myself vacillating on the look of the movie: loving the bright colors and 50s fashion one minute, thinking it distractingly over-the-top the next.



Well, that's all I can think about right now. Oh, forgot to mention how sweet Graham and Megan looked together! I'm glad I finally saw this movie, for the message alone: all the other good stuff was just gravy.



GG What other "every dyke but me has seen" movies are left for po' GG? Out

[Mrs Vertigo]

Ah, yes, finally someone popped the big question:is it just me, or is this flick more than half serious?? You have to admit it's pretty damn obscure. All the Moline-Rouge-style-overkill in costumes and props has to stand for something.



I agree with Grande – they really did seems to chicken out of whooping some fundi ass. My guess is that is you want to see the 'original' shooting script, what you aught to do is watch The Magdalene Sisters the day before. That way your mind will fill in the blanks. *shudders*



Btw, it makes total sense that a mega-successful social satire like South Park wouldn't fear pissing the fundies off. They can afford themselves. They aren't afraid of pissing anybody off... except maybe middle-class suburban teenagers (who pretty much make out 90% of their audience).



And sorry, I don’t get it about the New Zealand chick. I really did think she was supposed to be some Xena joke. Y'know, NZ accent, black hair, dumb lines, doomed to dykness…





p.s: GG, I suppose you DID see Kissing Jessica Stein, then...

I love my long lost Jewish little-potato twin. In a prison way.

Edited by: Mrs Vertigo at: 10/30/03 11:41 am

[urnofosiris]

I don't see where this movie fails to make any and all homophobic fundamentalists look like total fools. I am sure if they'd see this, they'd throw a royal fit. I honestly cannot think of a way in which it could have been any more clear than it is. I think it was perfectly done, the right dose of sarcasm, mockery and *realism*, if the characters and their actions had been any more over the top, it really would have become a cartoon, and fortunately it didn't. For me it was just right, I would not be able to care about cartoon characters the way I cared about these girls.

The last mosquito that bit me had to check into the Betty Ford Clinic.

--Patsy Stone

Edited by: DrG at: 10/30/03 12:05 pm

[Mrs Vertigo]

Actually, DrG, I meant it would've been a harder hit if the movie had been less over the top. The sarcasm and humor soften the critism. If it were any more realistic - now that would've hurt.

I love my long lost Jewish little-potato twin. In a prison way.

Edited by: Mrs Vertigo at: 11/2/03 6:30 am

[frenchrose888]

Actually I have to agree with Dr G here - I think making this movie in any other way would only have been less effective.

First off, let's face it, comedies attract more people than harsh documentary-like movies - which I'm not dissing at all, but for example if your average, lambda moviegoer has to choose between 'But I'm a Cheerleader !' and 'The Magdalene Sisters' to take a date, which one do you think he'll pick ?

So for me, comedy was the only way to go with this movie, because the promise of a good laugh can always draw people to a movie, some who wouldn't have paid to see a drama dealing with the same themes.



Besides, I don't think in any way that (paraphrasing here) the movie would've hurt fundamentalists and fundamentalist ideas more if it'd been less over the top - because let's face it, nothing hurts more than ridicule.



I'm thinking of that one scene, where Mary (funder of True Directions) is busy watering her plastic flowers. Out comes her son Rock, and says :"Hey mom. Your flowers are pretty." Mary then answers a very determined "I know." and goes back to planting these fake, plastic flowers into the ground - and if one won't stand straight, she angrily rips it off and throws it away. I don't know about you guys, but the symbolism of that scene really worked for me, as it did for the straight friends of mine to whom I showed the movie. Like me, they laughed, called her a freaky monomaniac, and didn't think about that joke any further - until the movie was over, when they turned to me and said 'These people are so pathetic'. Because the movie looks like a piece of fluff, they didn"t expect to actually learn and understand so much from it. Subtle always does it.



Anyway, I'm rambling so - know that I'm not saying that all movies should be comedies and that there's no room for such movies as Boys Don't Cry ; I'm saying that both kinds are useful, in a different way.



(French)Rose

[BigGayBear]

GG - That Guy played Rufio in Hook... the one that you can't place...



I'm quite ashamed to know that I know that. Or admit that I know that.



Al

[Gatito Grande]

BGB, I'm equally ashamed to admit that that was what I thought (Rufio in Hook). But it's hard to believe he's aged so little, and I was sort of afraid to I would guess wrong (if I'd confused him w/ someone else---where someone of a different ethnicity than myself is involved).



GG What's his name? Has he done anything other than But I'm and Hook? Out

[SySnootles]

GG -- The actor's name is Dante Basco. He hasn't been in anything terribly recognizable, but maybe something may ring a bell for you here, in his imdb page.

Catie



"The purpose of life is not to be happy - but to matter, to be productive, to be useful, to have it make a difference that you lived at all." -- Leo Roston

[emma peel]

Ohh, SySnootles, thanks for posting that link. I recognize him from the imdb picture. He was in the same episode of "Promised Land" that Amber was.

Janice

[Candleshoe]

I love this. It makes me go all gooey inside. That sounded more romantic and less NC17 in my head, but you know what I mean

And I love that we can laugh at ourselves!...

Funny how the same actresses keep turning up in our favourite films, isn't it? Clea DuVall, Natasha Lyonne, Michelle Williams (although Heath Ledger has put paid to my dreams of marrying her - lucky, lucky man!)

[Scortor]

I'd heard a lot about this movie over the past few years and was really excited to have found a copy of it in Newbury Comics for $7. Clea is gorgeous. <3 The movie itself is really cute and it has very funny moments. I think I'll go watch it now.

[RobTW]

Excellent movie - funny and still hitting the point.