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*waves* Another confused teenager here! (*very* long post)

Postby Sasha » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:41 am

Ok, first of all I'll warn you this will be LONG - I have a tendency to waffle on about stuff and elaborate too much - so if you're not interested in reading a load of pretentious teenage angst, turn back now. I wont be offended.

Unlike most confused teenagers though, I am NOT worried about my sexuality. I know I'm primarily homosexual, but I am occasionaly attracted to guys as well (in other words, somewhere between homosexual and bisexual - I believe the technical term for this is homoflexible, correct?) Not that I'm too concered about labels, but it's good to know 'what' I am and what I'm attracted to (in terms of sexuality).

What I am worried about is love, and happiness.

Yes, I know at 14 I am too young to be worrying about love, I have my whole life yet to find my soul-mate, but I need to sort out my feelings now, because... well, you'll see.

First of all, a few things you need to know about me...

I have Asperger Syndrome (very mild autism), as well as Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and a few other 'labels', which primarily means that although I have difficulty understanding other people, and they have difficulty understanding me - not because of speech; I can talk perfectly well, but my brain just works slightly differently to what is 'normal'. Because of this I found school incredibly stressful, so I'm now being home tutored, and I'm now much happier. I wont pretent to feel all sorry for myself; I have a really good life. However, since leaving school many of my ex-friends have turned on me, out of jealousy I presume, and have been attacking me through emails etc and have even started their own forum where they can bitch about me, which I stumbled accross and was greatly hurt by, as you can imagine. It's more or less all died down now, it was just supid immature teenage gossip which didn't bother me too much, but I am incredibly lonely now. I can count my remaining friends on one hand.

Secondly, I am very mature for my age - or so I have been told. The mere fact that I'm writing this long rambling post, rather than just "i av a prblm plz hlp me", would seem to indicate that I am not an average 14 year old. I suppose my mental age is somewhere around 16, maybe more (but don't worry, I very much intend to stay a virgin until I am actually 16, thankyou very much, I'm not going to use my maturity as an excuse for behaving like a stupid teenager! No offense to any other teenagers here).

Right, on with the 'problem'...

I have a male friend - Toby - who I have literally known my whole life. Our mothers met eachother at maternity class when they were pregnant with us, which should give you some idea of how young we were when we first met eachother! We've grown up together, so we're obviously very close. It began as a brotherly/sisterly relationship, but turned into something more. After about a year of flirting, from both of us, he asked me out and we became a couple, for a few months.

We then started drifting apart - I think we were both just having a difficult time with hormones - which ended with a big argument, where he said I was being too clingy but not nice enough to him, and I said he wasn't acting like himself any more, he was basically being a stupid teenager, he wasn't the Toby I knew and loved. We didn't speak for months after that - I tried to contact him to apologise (even though I felt that what I said was completely justified), but he blocked me. I then found out that he'd joined the forum that I mentioned earlier - the one with all the horrible stuff about me - and although he didn't post much and never actually said anything bad about me on there, I viewed this as the ultimate act of betrayal.

Someone said to me 'don't let this upset you, that's just what he wants', to which I replied 'this doesn't upset me, but the mere fact that he wants to upset me, does'. I think that sums it up - it was a stupid immature fight, and he obviously wanted to hurt me, but that's why it hurt so much.

Anyway, after many months of me crying and generally being miserable, I started to get over it, but then he contacted me again. He apologised -although not sincerly enough, in my opinion - and we talked it all through, and came to some sort of truce. Since then we have spoken occasionaly on MSN, but it's been arkward and painful. I really want the happy, relaxed friendship that we had before, so I think I should speak to him face to face, work out exactly how we feel about eachother, so we can move past this... but I don't know what to say.

I definitely still love him as a friend, and want him back in my life - he was the best friend I ever had - and that's far more important than dating. On the other hand, I definitely still fancy him, so I can't honestly say that there's no chance of us getting back together. I don't want to risk my friendship with him, I already lost him once, but I think I'm in love with him romantically as well, and if so I don't want to waste that - after all, what can be better than having an 'other half' who is also your best friend?

All this is complicated further by the fact that I have crushes on several girls at the moment, and Toby doesn't know I like girls (it's been hard enough just to have a normal conversation with him), although I can't imagine he's homophobic, but he may be jealous. I also can't help but feel that I would be happier in a relationship with a girl, because as I said, I have enough trouble understanding any other humans, teenage boys are a complete puzzle to me, and the cause of lots of heartache!

There's Rachel, who was my best friend at school, and definitely the second best friend I've ever had (after Toby), she's caring, loving, a bit shy but loyal to me, and she understands and helps with the problems I have socially. Although she was part of the 'forum wars' incident, we've talked it through and we're good friends again now. I'm not sure if I fancy her, but I do love her. She knows I like girls and isn't bothered by that, but says she's not interested in girls romantically herself - in fact she's not even interested in boys yet, her hormones are taking a while to catch up to her (lucky thing!)

Next there's a girl who I met online but have met in real life several times since then, and we get along wonderfully. She makes me feel special whenever I talk to her. She's just a bit older than me - nearly 17 - which is perfect, because she's past the stupid immature teenager phase. We're very open to eachother about sexuality, and I think she's bisexual herself, but she has a boyfriend who she's been with 3 years, so that's pretty serious, I can't imagine I'd have a shot with her.

And lastly there's a collage student who one of my teachers introduced me to - it's a special part of my home tuition, she's going to take me out each week so that I don't get stuck in the house all the time. I've only met her once so far but we get along brilliantly, even though I have a huge crush on her - there's no arkwardness, it's fun and easy to talk to her and I get butterflies in my stomach whenever I think about her. Plus, she looks exactly like Eliza Dushku :drool it's an uncanny resemblence! She's 21, so I can't see her actually dating me, but I can dream, right?

Actually, that's pretty much all of my friends (I have lots of wonderful online friends :-D but I'm talking strictly about people I have physically met) - though I can think of a few people I don't fancy! :lol It's these bloody hormones, they make me fancy everyone! :happy So what I need to do is work out what's real, and what's just a crush, what to act on, who to focus on, what scenario would make me happiest, and what to tell Toby. I honestly don't know the answer to any of those questions, I'm tying my head in knots just thinking about it, which is worrying because I'm usually very self-aware and in tune with my emotions.

Help, please? :aww :hmm :pray

Told you it would be long! :lol
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Re: *waves* Another confused teenager here! (*very* long pos

Postby Candleshoe » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:58 am

Hello Sasha,

I have no idea if I'm qualified to offer any advice at all as I am nearly 30 and I am still worried about love and happiness!

Aspergers is tough, and I am so impressed with people who have to deal with it every day. You are clearly an articulate and aware young woman, who has learned to cope with the stuff that life has thrown at you! I am always surprised and saddened by how hard we can make life for each other, and your ex-friends need a good shouting-at, in my opinion! Being opposed to violence is so hard sometimes, when some people really do just need poking in the eye with a spoon!!

Aaah, the number of crushes I had when I was younger (and still do, if I'm honest - *coughs*Jorja Fox!) but I guess I got through the horrid teenage years by waking up each morning and deciding not to make any life-altering decisions that day. That way, everything stayed in perspective a bit, and life could happen while I was looking the other way.

Life always feels so serious when we are in the middle of it, doesn't it! But sometimes having a couple of different friends, who can each fulfill different roles, can be better than trying to find someone who has to wear all the hats at the same time! And as for boyfriends/girlfriends, well, that is the hardest thing of all - I think you are doing the right thing by taking little steps with Toby. Regaining your confidence in him will be a big thing, and will take time. If you rush it, I suspect you will always wonder whether you can really trust him, so if I were you I would take a while to rebuild the friendship. A romantic relationship is always a bridge you can cross later, if you both still feel up for it.

Girls, girls, girls - you have so many yummy sounding ones, that I can see why you are finding it hard to choose. But do you really have to choose? Flirting and getting to know people is the fun part anyway, so I wouldn't cut that any shorter than you have to! In my experience, the best romantic relationships are the ones that are based on actually liking each other, and rushing into something can sometimes trip us up!

I have no idea what scenario would make you happy, or even if the happiest one is still yet to come, so I can't help on that really - but my general advice it to take life slowly, a day at a time, and then you can deal with things one thing at a time too!

Not sure if any of this helps, or if I am just inanely wittering, so I shall push off now. I'm not really the huggy type, but I can offer a big grin and a warm handshake - take care of you, honey. And shout if you need anything...

Candleshoe

PS - trying to work out if any of this sounds patronising. It doesn't sound bad in my head, so I hope it doesn't in yours either.
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Re: *waves* Another confused teenager here! (*very* long pos

Postby Naeryn » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:23 pm

Don't worry, Candleshoe. It didn't sound patronizing in my head, either. ;)

Well, Sasha, you've already gotten some great advice on the strictly relationships part, which I'd like to second.

But I'd also like to add something. As a fellow AS and OCD-minded person, I'd first like to give you kudos for actually getting into a relationship at fourteen. I was terrified of it.

I'm seventeen now; and I'm in an exceptionally serious relationship. In fact, we're engaged. I know exactly what you mean by feeling and being perceived as more mature than you are physically. Nearly everyone I've met online has told me I *must* be a college student, at least.

Well, not to ramble on about my life. You have to remember that people with AS, people like us, think differently. We don't see social structure the way other people do, and we're never quite sure how we fit into it.

The D&D nerd in me says: AS = +6 intelligence, -2 wisdom, -2 strength, -2 constitution.

That's likely why school gave you so much trouble. Nothing to do with the work - am I correct in assuming you now have no problem with it? - it's all the social hierarchy. The 'popular' group, the 'jocks', the 'nerds', the group that really escapes any label save 'facking insane'. (I was one of the latter, btw.)

And remember this: One good friend is worth a thousand acquaintances. It sounds to me like most of your 'friends' before weren't really friends, just people you hung out with, talked to on occasion, said 'hello' to in the hallways.

This Rachel girl sounds like a friend. A good, close friend. I can't stress how much one truly good friend is worth. There is no price, no set amount.

So I suppose the whole point of this post is not so much to give advice, but to offer my support and understanding. After all, you've already got some great advice from Candleshoe up there.

I hope you find your way soon ^^

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Postby cbrymm » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:38 pm

Well at the old age of seventeen (joking), I decided on day to pick up an old journal and remind myself of the younger me. I discovered two things: 1) I still love the Backstreet Boys and 2) I never, ever, EVER want to be 14 again. Keep your one million dollars because for no price would I ever return to that age.
Being 14 is tough. Essentially.. it sucks. Like you said, hormones are raging, and friends are changing (oh look I made a little rhyme... sorry long day at work). Anywho, I just wanted to say you're not alone in the "being fourteen sucks" boat. When I was fourteen all of my friends decided they hated me, called me bad names, and told me I was gay (guess they were right about one thing). The happy ending to this story is that I am no longer fourteen, they are no longer my friends, and the last I checked most of them are either high school drop outs, life time employees at Mc Donalds, or pregnant. I <3 Karma. So fear not, because it sounds like you're a generally good person and they are.. well.. not. Karma will visit you and these mean people, who (I agree with Candleshoe) need to be poked in the eye with a spoon.
As for the love portion of it: when you figure out the answer, let me in on the secret. Honestly, I don't know if anyone fully understands how love works. When it comes to relationships in high school, I think its good that you're taking it slow. Keep doing that! Rushing into things is just about the worst thing you can do (in my humble opinion).
So hopefully that was coherrent, because after eight hours of washing dishes I'm certainly not.
Good luck!
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Re: *waves* Another confused teenager here! (*very* long pos

Postby Sasha » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:33 am

Wow what fantastic replies!

Ok, individual bits...

Aspergers is tough, and I am so impressed with people who have to deal with it every day. You are clearly an articulate and aware young woman, who has learned to cope with the stuff that life has thrown at you!

Thank you


I am always surprised and saddened by how hard we can make life for each other, and your ex-friends need a good shouting-at, in my opinion! Being opposed to violence is so hard sometimes, when some people really do just need poking in the eye with a spoon!!

*cough wheeze splutter giggle* That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time, cheered me up no end! I seriously need to hang that quote on my wall, or make an avatar out of it, or something...


my general advice it to take life slowly, a day at a time, and then you can deal with things one thing at a time too!

This makes perfect sense - and is basically what I am doing now - but for me, is very frustrating. I have this ongoing desire to fix everything at once, I just can't take little steps and work at things slowly (although I suppose I do, without realising it, but if I had a choice I'd rather just click my fingers and make everything better... I know everyone feels like that to some extent, but for me it's quite extreme, I have no patience). I was talking about this to another online friend yesterday, and she said something similar - 'take things slowly, you don't need a partner now, you can be single and happy, you have your whole life ahead of you for other things' - to which I replied
I wrote:Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I didn't mean that. I am happy. I'm not perfectly happy, but I'm happy. And I'm not desperate for a partner, despite what it may sound like, but I'm lonely and the hormones are nagging me and I just... *wonders how to explain*

I don't like waiting for stuff to happen... you know the quote 'live every day as if it were your last, because one day it will be'? I try to live like that, 'cos for all I know tomorrow I might well die in a car crash or something. So I'm not going to just sit around and wait for things to happen when I'm older, because I might never be older. I'm not saying I want to do everything now, because in all likelyhood I do have my whole life ahead of me, but neither do I want the same old routine every day (aside from my OCD problems). I want to do something different, and at the moment it's the Toby thing which needs fixing, so that's what I want to do something about.

Which I've quoted here, simply because I couldn't be bothered to type it all again. Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing (not that there's anything wrong with arguing), but just to explain why I have such a problem with just waiting, and taking things slowly. Even though, rationally, I know that's the most sensible thing to do.


PS - trying to work out if any of this sounds patronising. It doesn't sound bad in my head, so I hope it doesn't in yours either.

No, it doesn't sound patronising


But I'd also like to add something. As a fellow AS and OCD-minded person, I'd first like to give you kudos for actually getting into a relationship at fourteen. I was terrified of it.

Thanks And it's nice to meet another AS/OCD person - I know a few other AS people online but not many OCD. *shakes hands*


I'm seventeen now; and I'm in an exceptionally serious relationship. In fact, we're engaged. I know exactly what you mean by feeling and being perceived as more mature than you are physically. Nearly everyone I've met online has told me I *must* be a college student, at least.

Someone once told me they thought I was in my mid 20s I'm not sure if that's a compliment or not (but I'll take it as one!) And congratulations on your engagement.


That's likely why school gave you so much trouble. Nothing to do with the work - am I correct in assuming you now have no problem with it?

Correct, I never had any real trouble with the work (exceptions being PE, which I hated cos I have no coordination; and History which I hated because, as I said I, I live very much in the now, and I found History simply unbearable to think about, to the point where I would come out of each History lesson in tears), in fact I'm quite ahead of my peers in most subjects. I'm taking my Maths, Physics and English GCSEs this summer (which is a year early), and I've already started working on my Maths AS Level (I'm not quite sure how to phrase that so it doesn't sound like I'm boasting, but I'm just stating facts! )

I had all sorts of problems at school so it's hard to pinpoint which was the real cause, but I think the first (if not the most important) reason for leaving was because I am also oclophobic (fear of large crowds), so sitting in the canteen or even in a crowded classroom could cause me to have a panic attack.


And remember this: One good friend is worth a thousand acquaintances. It sounds to me like most of your 'friends' before weren't really friends, just people you hung out with, talked to on occasion, said 'hello' to in the hallways.

This Rachel girl sounds like a friend. A good, close friend. I can't stress how much one truly good friend is worth. There is no price, no set amount.

Oh, you sound SO much like me there, I say exactly the same thing! I've never wanted to be popular (partly cos I'm oclophobic and can't cope with more than one person at a time, and partly cos one close friend is so much better than lots of 'friends'), I just wanted one or two very close friends, who I could share everything with. I finally found Rachel for that, and she was everything I'd always wanted. I suppose the problem was that we lost touch when I wasn't seeing her at school every day, and that terrified me, and the fear of losing her drove us further apart. We're close again now, although I don't see her much because she's got a lot of schoolwork at the moment.

As you said, the other 'friends' were not friends at all, but people who I had always got on well with at school, peers, classmates, polite aquaintances, whatever you want to call them. Their stupid little forum never hurt me (much), it was the fact that Rachel and Toby were part of it.


[quote]When I was fourteen all of my friends decided they hated me, called me bad names, and told me I was gay (guess they were right about one thing). The happy ending to this story is that I am no longer fourteen, they are no longer my friends, and the last I checked most of them are either high school drop outs, life time employees at Mc Donalds, or pregnant. I (8 hours washing dishes? Why would anyone in their right mind want to do that? )


Oooh look, I even write long replies-to-replies. I seriously need less words in my head, I'm sure I drive everyone mad with all this rambling! To sum up: thankyou, all of you, for the very helpful, intelligent, and flattering replies. *big hugs for everyone*
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Re: *waves* Another confused teenager here! (*very* long pos

Postby Candleshoe » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:16 am

Glad to be of assistance!

Just to clarify: I'm not sure that I meant "Don't do anything at all, just sit tight and wait for your life to start in a couple of years" because, as you rightly pointed out, living life to the full is always a good idea!

I was nodding vigorously while reading your comments about patience. I have none, either. I wish I was older and richer, with a bigger office and someone to cook for at home. But I guess I just have to get there in little steps...and for now I am happy enough.

I guess that for you, the "Toby Thing" (is that like a Toby Jug? Lol!) needs a bit of work for you to be happy, so doing that now seems like a good idea. But rushing to sort everything at once - friends, academic work, romance, money, home, religion, politics and all the other things - might be biting off more than us non-superwomen can chew?

Or I might just be rambling again....feel free to ignore me!

Also feel free to use the eye-poking image in any way you like - I am already honoured that you laughed!

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Re: *waves* Another confused teenager here! (*very* long pos

Postby Sasha » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:15 am

Oooh yes, that makes perfect sense, thank you. I think I'll be seeing Toby within the next few days, so hopefully I'll at least make some progress in that area. I still don't know exactly what I want with him, or what I should say, but hopefully it (the situation) will sort itself out. Wish me luck!

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Re: *waves* Another confused teenager here! (*very* long pos

Postby Candleshoe » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:30 am

Good luck, sweetie! *goes to shake hands, then changes mind and does the one-armed hug thing*

See, you got me being all nice. Now I have to go practice being mean ready for Monday morning office politics!

Take care,

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