Skip to content


The Trans Thread

The place for kittens to discuss GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered) issues as well as topics that don't fit in the other forums. (Some topics are off-topic in every forum on the board. Please read the FAQs.)

Re: Transsexuality

Postby Gatito Grande » Tue Jun 17, 2003 11:38 pm

Heh-heh: I'd completely forgotten I was so talkative on this thread last year . . .



Funny how perhaps as late as then ('02), I still really wasn't hip to the term "genderqueer" (which is a perfectly good personal noun for one who transgresses gender).



sprhrgrl, howdy! Remember how when I first met you on the K, I tried using the nickname "sphere"? In light of the mailing list you name above, kinda ironic, huh? :p I really just wanna say a Big "Me Too" on the difficulty "articulating oneself" on these subjects. Not pontificating, :smash which everyone at the Kitten must realize I can do at drop of a hat (on just about any subject)! :party :no :grin No, I mean the Real Work of actually opening yourself up, and digging into the secret, painful places of your own life: the confusion, the shame (past or present). :paranoid It can be so damn *hard*, sometimes. But, for everybody out there who feels like you don't meet the definitions of a "Real Girl" or a "Real Boy", I just wanna say Congratulations: you made it this far. Give yourselves a hand! :clap



GG And if you can, find a special friend to talk about it w/: I found one such *mensch* here at the K. Muchas gracias, chica! :kiss Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Transsexuality

Postby sprhrgrl » Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:17 am

(grin) I didn't respond before because I didn't remember the sphere thing, but now I do. . . I was thinking to far back into my kittenness, when it was the (swingin') sexual ethics thread that that was on, huh?



Anywho, about gender. . . I wrote this paper as a final for my English class. Then at graduation my English teacher came up and chatted with me and revealed that her husband transitioned from female to male six years ago.



I was shocked and stunned about how beautifully his transition went, and how appropriate the timing of all the gender nonsense really was.



Sorry for clinging to this board, it's just all slipping into place like a puzzle. Or a basketball play (grin).

sprhrgrl.com

she's my everything


racism=sexism=homophobia

The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Transsexuality

Postby The Shadowcat » Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:32 am

Hey sphrgrl, if you're looking for more good FTM lists, I highly recommend young-guys. They're very friendly and informative.



I've been thrown back into the closet, so to speak. Everything was great my first day at work, until I had to show admin my ID. I guess word spread, and now everyone refers to me as female. I've slipped back into $girlmode. Even my voice seems higher. Eh, maybe I should just post in the miserable thread.



On the good side, I'm just waiting for my new insurance cards to go into effect before I officially change my name and get a new picture taken. I certainly don't look like I did when I got my permit. I've only aged, uh, seven years. I cannot wait until July 8th, baby. Then I get to go through the fun of notifying everyone about my name change. :kitty

The Shadowcat
 


Re: Transsexuality

Postby sprhrgrl » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:05 pm

Thanks, Shadowcat - I actually like Sphere a lot because it isn't label specific. . . So I'm able to just announce myself as genderqueer and have people be cool with that.



(hug) Things will work out at work. . . It's always important to remember how much of an educational opportunity coming out to people can be. . . (clings to the positive)



Congratulations on the name bit, though. . . I hope everything goes well!

sprhrgrl.com

she's my everything


racism=sexism=homophobia

The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Transsexuality

Postby The Shadowcat » Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:44 pm

Oh, there are plenty of genderqueers on young-guys. If you're happy where you are, then stick with it. ^_^ As far as my work goes, well, it really wouldn't be worth it to come out. The job is only going to last a little over a month more, and most of the people I'm working with now will be gone before the end. Then I get to look for another job. Whee! :stink

The Shadowcat
 


Re: Transsexuality

Postby sprhrgrl » Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:40 pm

Hey Shadowcat, just wanted to let you know that I'm currently attempting to get on the list you suggested. . . .



Also, Xita or whomever this should be addressed to, would it be possible to change the title of this thread to "the trans thread" or something? Because transsexuality is just mostly changing sexes, where the term transgender can discuss more than that. Just saying trans is able to include whatever. . .



Thanks. . .

sprhrgrl.com

she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara

The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Transsexuality

Postby xita » Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:42 pm

consider it done!

- - - - - - - - - - -
"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose."


-Me & Bobby
McGee

xita
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby sprhrgrl » Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:47 pm

There's no considering needed; it *is* done.



Super, thank you. It's been bugging me for a while. (:



::hugs::

sprhrgrl.com

she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara

The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem

sprhrgrl
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby Tempest Duer » Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:00 pm

Hey, I like this thread. Why didn't I join the board a long time ago? All the links you all have provided are excellent...

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby sprhrgrl » Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:13 am

So this is really random, but it's a rant and it's happy.



I just got involved with livejournal (I'm sprkid) and I've discovered the wonder that is the livejournal community.



Through this, I met a kid on the tesc community, which is my college, who likes drag kings and trannybois and other such things. It turns out that she's in my program next year (we take one big class per semester and call it a program), Performing Gender, and she showed me that the booklist had been posted (I'm also, by the way, an obsessive theatre kid. Like, there were theatre jobs posted in the hallway and I walked by them and then did a doubletake and went back and went 'ooooh,' for about five minutes.).



I'm so bloody excited that I put up a whole diary entry about it, here.



But isn't it exciting?



I also got to talk to the girl about what the trans community there is like, and asked if there was a specific trans group. She said that she'd started one last year, and would be interested in revitalizing it if she had help. So YAY because I'd bee thinking of doing it if there wasn't one already.



(grin)



And we could probably get class credit for it. Isn't that the most important thing?

sprhrgrl.com

she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara

The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem

sprhrgrl
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby urnofosiris » Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:07 am

Oh I watched an episode of CSI yesterday and the killer was a FTM transsexual. I'd never seen a FTM on a tv show and lo and behold the psychopathic killer turns out to be an ugly scary FTM. Could this be the start of a trend? Woo! I feel privileged to finally see a representation of myself on TV. Yay me.



Ah btw, about the thread title, the thread was originally started to ask about transsexuality, hence the title, but that might be a bit limiting, besides, Trans Thread has a much nicer ring to it.



-----------------------------



She's so anally retentive she wouldn't sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture.


--Patsy Stone

Edited by: DrG at: 8/30/03 3:09 am
urnofosiris
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby sprhrgrl » Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:48 am

DrG, your last post reminded me about a panel I went to at BiCon. . . It was cheesily called "time to learn about being trans!" or something, so I went and there was an overenthusiastic transwoman who probably does motivational speaking for a living. Every few minutes she would talk about (something to to the affect of) how much easier it was to be a transman than a transwoman, because 'women are allowed by our society to wear pants, while men can't wear skirts,' or something.



In the middle of being violently pissed off the whole time, I heard her offer a statistic that was something like there are only 10% as many transmen as there are transwomen, or something, and that it's only more recently that people have been transitioning ftm.



It wasn't something I had really thought about (being that my involvement in any type of "trans community" has been with transmen and genderqueer kids just slightly older than me), but your comment reminded me because something in my head tells me that there are a lot of movies that I've been avoiding where mtfs are the insane villians.



So while it's absolutely crap that the movie is that way, if it's the start of a trend. . . I don't know. It rather goes with Andy Warhol's (paraphrased) 'don't measure your press by whether it's good or bad, but by inches.' It's kind of a (horrible and pathetic) nod to the visibility of the transmale community.



Blah blah "community" blah blah tendency for media to misrepresent minorities blah cliche thread blah blah sums it up, I believe.



And yeah, that's exactly why I asked for the title change - the simple limitations that that particular word provides. I've been involved in some communities that don't value the concept of the trans umbrella past separating them (as transsexuals) from transvestites and that's. . . Crap. Because we should all be allowed to label ourselves for ourselves, and not have those labels constrained.



(ahem) Thank you, I'm done now.

sprhrgrl.com

she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara

The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem

Edited by: sprhrgrl  at: 8/30/03 3:52 am
sprhrgrl
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby Tempest Duer » Sat Aug 30, 2003 9:40 pm

What she said.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby Gatito Grande » Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:34 am

Quote:
there was an overenthusiastic transwoman who probably does motivational speaking for a living. Every few minutes she would talk about (something to to the affect of) how much easier it was to be a transman than a transwoman, because 'women are allowed by our society to wear pants, while men can't wear skirts,' or something.



In the middle of being violently pissed off the whole time, I heard her offer a statistic that was something like there are only 10% as many transmen as there are transwomen, or something, and that it's only more recently that people have been transitioning ftm.




Yikes, this is a whole can of worms (or perhaps several). I think I would agree that it's easier to be FTM than MTF, for one reason only: the *appalling* amount of violence perpetrated against MTFs---about which "the authorities" DO NOTHING. Other than that though, I think the struggles are much the same.



But the idea that there are more MTFs than FTMs? That's a sticky wicket, for (at least) two reasons. One, "trans" used to be defined as transsexual (speaking of the lovely thread name-change!), which usually meant SRS (sexual reassignment surgery). MTF SRS has long been both *cheaper* and *better* than FTM's (the whole "easier to dig a hole than build a pole" theory), and understandably more MTFs presented themselves for such SRS.



Closely related to this, is a second issue (that neither medical authorities or MTFs, like your speaker, may have considered). To the extent that they're starting as males (like it or not), MTFs have frequently had the package of male-privilege that went w/ it: better jobs, more money, more security of other kinds. So, apart from the quality/price of SRS, MTFs are *still* more likely to be able to afford it (SRS being something that virtually no American medical insurance pays for).



Finally, "Tipping the Velvet" aside, there is a far greater popular awareness of MTFs than FTMs. Thankfully, this is changing, but it is still easier for a young male-bodied gender-different person to go "Aha!" than it is for a female-bodied one. In other words, the phenomenon of "recently transitioning FTMs" is because of growing awareness of the possibility, not because there's been a sudden spike in gender dysphoria among those w/ XX chromosomes. (In the same way that the movement for same-sex marriage is happening now because of awareness, not because the desire itself is new)



Already, I believe that the figure of MTFs to FTMs presenting themselves for therapy is no more than 2 or 3 to 1 in many medical settings (U.S. and Europe), and that can be expected to close further. If all goes well (progress on FTM surgeries, greater financial equality, greater popular awareness of FTMs) I believe that these proportions will eventually balance out.* God loves FTMs, and made a whole lot of 'em! :pride



GG One type of security: wives of (newly-out) MTFs frequently stay w/ their spouses, husbands of (newly-out) FTMs virtually *never* (so I've heard---and backed up in my own case, even though I didn't transition). :spin Out



*Don't wanna give the impression that every MTF or FTM would have surgery if they could, only that I think the percentages of those that would will someday be roughly the same among MTFs/FTMs.

Gatito Grande
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby urnofosiris » Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:05 am

Quote:


there was an overenthusiastic transwoman who probably does motivational speaking for a living. Every few minutes she would talk about (something to to the affect of) how much easier it was to be a transman than a transwoman, because 'women are allowed by our society to wear pants, while men can't wear skirts,' or something.






Well that depends on what society you live in I guess, there are a lot of them where women are not allowed to wear pants and are expected to marry a man and have lots of babies, and if you happen to be a FTM you are pretty much screwed, probably at least as much as when you are a MTF.



As it is, in my country (and family) I could wear pants and I did not have to marry, but looking a bit manly as a female can have it's drawbacks as well. Wearing pants isn't the end all be all of things (and the same can be said for wearing a dress), if that was all it took to feel good I would never have gone through that whole medical circus.



So I am not convinced that is easier being a FTM than a MTF while someone is living in their assigned gender role. In general most MTFs and FTMs are attracted to women. So if you have not transitioned then most MTFs would be regarded by society as heterosexual men and most FTMs as gay women. Eh, it might be 'easier' living in the first more privileged role, on the other hand it might also be much harder to give up that role to become a gay woman. Oi, I am giving myself a headache now.



Anyway, just thinking about it makes me realize how complex this can be for an individual facing these problems. I don't think you can just say one is easier than the other. I think that generally speaking, emotionally it is equally hard. I can't prove it myself, but I would need some research results to be convinced otherwise.



Maybe what she meant was that it is easier being a FTM than a MTF if you have gone through actual 'gender reassignment'. I can believe that this is the case for a different reason than Gatito stated. I don't know the deal with the violence ratio, I can imagine it is true that MTFs are more often a victim of hate crimes than FTMs (though what happened to Brandon Teena shows that FTMs aren't 'immune' to it either). I think the reason for the difference and the reason why it probably is more difficult being a MTF is "passability". Once a FTM starts on hormones the voice drops, you can grow some face fur and people who don't know you will just assume you are just a regular guy. For many MTFs it is much harder. If you are tall, have masculine features, a deep voice then people will always know. I am sure are more likely to encounter violence, ridicule and 'unacceptance'. I can't prove this either, but I am sure a very big reason for that is homophobia. A man in a dress must be gay and that is reason enough for some to beat them up, it's ironic considering that most MTFs are not interested in men sexually.



Lastly, about the reason there appear to be more MTFs than FTMs seeking medical treatment, I am not sure that it is because of the difficulties that surgeries may hold. The latest numbers I encounter is that there are 12000 FTMs and 30000 MTFs living in the Netherlands. The difference cannot be explained by medical costs and surgical techniques alone. Hormones and surgery are covered by medical insurance in my country. I've only had to pay for the legal costs of changing my name and gender legally. When you are a MTF, things like the removal of facial hair (and I think speech lessons) are not covered, or at least only partially, and most of the time people really need them, yet there are more (known) MTFs.



It's interesting why there is such a difference in numbers. I'll try and find out if the number of FTMs are rising, lack awareness could be an explanation for the difference.



Pfff, I hope I did not mix up my FTMs and MTFs too much. :p





-----------------------------



She's so anally retentive she wouldn't sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture.


--Patsy Stone

Edited by: DrG at: 8/31/03 10:10 am
urnofosiris
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby Gatito Grande » Sun Aug 31, 2003 5:28 pm

Quote:
In general most MTFs and FTMs are attracted to women . . . most MTFs are not interested in men sexually.




Garfield, I'm curious as to where you get these facts. I would agree that most FTMs are attracted to women, in the same way that there are more straights than gays. However, again the issue of awareness is very important: not much more than 20 years ago, the late Lou Sullivan was actually initially denied medical trans status, because he was gay. Doctors told him, "If you're attracted to men, you can't actually therefore want to transition to becoming male!" When he was dying of AIDS, he took a bitter satisfaction that he had the paradigmatically "gay male disease," when people had been telling him he couldn't really be a gay male! When I was at the True Spirit FTM conference almost 5 years ago, the phenomenon of "transfags" was the major buzz (and the subject of some pretty wild sex parties, so I've heard ;) ).



Which brings me to the second subject, the idea that MTFs prefer women. This is pretty much established of male cross-dressers, but for the MTF TG and TS communities (and don't even try to distinguish those two groups, w/o expecting *major* flamewars among the MTFs!), the picture is considerably more nuanced. From what I've heard lurking on some MTF-dominated trans lists, there is a major question of access: the idea that many MTFs might be more attracted to men, but have found that, for serious relationships anyway (as opposed to men just looking for "T-Girl Sex!" :p ), they have better access to women than men. I connect that to the FTM transfag phenomenon, for precisely inverse reasons: some FTMs may have found they have greater sexual access to other males, and therefore turn to men (esp. other transfags) for their testerone-fueled release, but not because they actually prefer males to females (then again, many may).



Bottom-line: trans people are under-researched in general, and about their sexuality in particular. Moreover, the question of how oppression and lack of awareness has limited or distorted their choices add further wrinkles. I just don't think we know enough, to say "In general most MTFs and FTMs are attracted to women . . . most MTFs are not interested in men sexually."



GG "As ye harm none, do as ye please": Providence speed the day when all accept this. :pride Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby Tempest Duer » Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:54 pm

I definitely agree that there needs to be more research done into the psychology of being trans, genderqueer or whatever. I suppose that I should feel lucky to be fairly young, and can hope that by later in my adult life there will have been more done. Kudos to the dude who started this thread actually, because I've learned more from this thread than I have from most other sources.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby The Shadowcat » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:47 am

A good portion of modern trans research, I've found, can actually be found in college thesis papers. A friend of mine wrote his dissertation for his doctorate on the trans experience on college campuses. I've really got to remember to ask him for a copy. A number of published dissertations can be found on Amazon.com. The reason they're not very popular is that they are VERY long, and rather dry. I've got a copy of FTM: Female-to-Male Transsexuals in Society, by Holly Devor. It's actually quite good, but damn is it long. I think I bought it sometime last year, and I only made it to about page 420. Every once in a while I pick it up and read a few pages. One thing I really like about it are the personal interviews and experiences. I also like the pictures. It's refreshing to see pictures of average transmen. The younger generation doesn't want to stay quiet. Because of this, there will continue to be more research.



As far as the tranyfag phenomenon, it certainly is there. I'd have to say that a good portion of the FTMs I know are gay (like men). A lot of them have FTM partners. I'm not sure I agree with your theory as to why there seem to be a lot of FTMs attracted to men, and MTFs attracted to women, GG. While "access" might be a reason for some, it doesn't make much sense for so big a group to be vocal about "settling" for someone not of the sex they're actually attracted to. That just reeks of desperation.



The reason it seems there are so many more MTFs than FTMs is simply because a great portion of FTMs don't seek treatment. If they don't go into counseling, or attempt to acquire hormones and/or surgeries, then there's really no way to count them. Where are these statistics coming from? Medical doctors? Counselors? Trans groups? Twenty years ago it was thought that we were a miniscule population. Now that people are less afraid, now that we are more vocal, now that there are options more and more are letting it be known who they are. Today, it's estimated that 3-5% of the population identifies as trans in some way (TS/TG/all colors of the rainbow). The actual MTF to FTM ratio seems to change with every person who attempts to create one. Are there more MTFs? There are more MTFs who seek medical help in someway, be that counseling or hormones/surgery. There are more reported cases of violence against MTFs. There are statistically more marriages involving MTFs. The surgeries are obviously of better quality. There are more MTF resources available online. MTFs occasionally appear in the entertainment media. There are a significant number of MTFs who have turned to prostitution (hence the term "shemale"). They are more visible. Until the FTM population comes further into view, there's really no way to know.

The Shadowcat
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby sprhrgrl » Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:07 am

The Shadowcat said "A good portion of modern trans research, I've found, can actually be found in college thesis papers" and I totally agree. At a different workshop at BiCon, one called "Gender Fluidity and the Transmale Experience," (which I liked much better, thank you very much) a discussion erupted about how nobody knows much about the trans community (that's worded weirdly, but yeah). I decided then that I'd probably do my thesis around it - considering that I have four years of gender studies ahead of me, I think it's a good goal to have.



It's interesting to read everyones' opinions, and sometimes it's best to just sit back and watch and learn. But a lot of things sound really familiar - like GG's mention of Lou Sullivan, I'd heard about that just recently.



It's always the personal experiences that interest me the most, that's why I'm excited so much about my course next semester. . . There's a line in the program description that goes "Students will conduct fieldwork and oral histories on gender and sexuality. . ." which lets me think that I might get to talk to neat people and hear their stories.



And finally, I love this. I love that people are taking it upon themselves to educate other people.

sprhrgrl.com

she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara

The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem

sprhrgrl
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby Tempest Duer » Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:23 pm

Human sexuality is fascinating, no doubt about it. If you know where I can find any of college papers (preferably some of the less dry ones) I'd love to know.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 


Re: The Trans Thread

Postby urnofosiris » Tue Sep 02, 2003 2:23 pm

Quote:


Garfield, I'm curious as to where you get these facts.




Well they aren't facts, heh, they are my presumptions, based partly on what I have read, heard and the fact that most MTFs and FTMs I know (about) are attracted to women. I should have said many instead of most.

I tried to look up some information that may yield more exact data, but researching my online medical database came up with nothing useful. Next time I talk to the dude that heads up the gender clinic in Amsterdam I'll ask if he has some proper articles, not just about sexual preference, but also about the prevalence of FTM vs MTF.

I don't believe surgical techniques or results explain the difference between the number of (known) FTMs and MTFs. Maybe there have been studies trying to explain it or that have accurate estimates about how many transgendered people are really out there.





-----------------------------



She's so anally retentive she wouldn't sit down for fear of sucking up the furniture.


--Patsy Stone

urnofosiris
 


Almost everything you ever wanted to know about FTMs

Postby Gatito Grande » Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:45 pm

Hey, heads up to anyone whose public radio station carries what is just about my favorite weekly program, This American Life.



TAL always centers around an overarching-theme, and this week, it's all about Romance . . . and features FTMs in love (or lookin' for it)! It talks about the changing world of romance that comes w/ transition, and it's one of the best overviews of FTMs that I've ever heard in the general media (TAL featured an FTM once before, in a show all about testosterone). Check it out if you can, it's really good.



You can also listen to the show on their website, but this week's show won't be posted till next week (you can listen to that earlier Testosterone show, though). Check this space for updates: www.thisamericanlife.org/



GG You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll cringe: a car-full of guyz gets cruised by a car-full of girls on the way to Atlantic City, until . . . :rolleyes Out





ETA: Here's the link to listen to this show, in Real Audio (Act Two is the one about transguys in love):



www.thisamericanlife.org/ra/247.ram



Edited by: Gatito Grande at: 10/3/03 8:31 pm
Gatito Grande
 


Hurrah!

Postby sprhrgrl » Fri Oct 03, 2003 8:04 pm

I'm going to start a trans group at my school, and I'm extraexcited. Anyone have any suggestions?



ALSO, I'm looking for quotes about by and for trans people for something my school's queer group is doing. I'm not exactly sure what.



FINALLY, could one of the firendly mods change the thread name on the index too? Thanks.



she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara (Dead Things shooting script)

A muscle cramp? in your. . . pants? - Tara (Older & Far Away)

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Hurrah!

Postby Tempest Duer » Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:31 pm

Uh, no advice or ideas, but I do think that's cool.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 


Re: Hurrah!

Postby sprhrgrl » Sun Oct 05, 2003 9:07 pm

(grin) Thanks. It should be a happy thing. There's been one before, but it's not going now. And it should be.



she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara (Dead Things shooting script)

A muscle cramp? in your. . . pants? - Tara (Older & Far Away)

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Hurrah!

Postby Tempest Duer » Mon Oct 06, 2003 4:47 pm

I wish my school had one, but as far as I know I'm the only trans on campus... we have a gay-straight alliance but it's not the same.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 


Re: Hurrah!

Postby sprhrgrl » Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:24 pm

You're in high school then? (cos of the GSA) I think that a lot of trans kids don't really realize that they are or come into themselves until later - this is a college group I'm starting. I'm sure there'd be a community group around, if you looked for one, although you'd prolly be the youngest one there. (:



she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara (Dead Things shooting script)

A muscle cramp? in your. . . pants? - Tara (Older & Far Away)

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Hurrah!

Postby Tempest Duer » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:10 pm

Yes, I'm still in high school. But no, I'm a transboy who's known all his life that something was very, very wrong.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 


Re: Hurrah!

Postby sprhrgrl » Wed Oct 08, 2003 12:38 am

(hug) But at least you were aware.



she's my everything


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara (Dead Things shooting script)

A muscle cramp? in your. . . pants? - Tara (Older & Far Away)

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Hurrah!

Postby Tempest Duer » Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:46 pm

Thanks. (hugs back) The company here is the real reason I hang out at the Kitten.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 

PreviousNext

Return to Board index

Return to The Kitten

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 23 guests


Powered by phpBB The phpBB Group © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007
Style based on a Cosa Nostra Design