General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 10

[EvilAnya]

Well, the bus driver and bus passengers fit BBOvenGuy's location shoot report. I wonder what they mean by "weird looking humans" though.

[The Partyman]

Regarding the Buffy/Angel phone call in Flooded/Carpe Noctem:

I believe more than one phone call was made.

Willow phoned Cordelia, and then Angel Phoned Buffy.

That could explain it?

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Originally posted by willow420:
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The 2nd unit is shooting with Bus travellers, cops, seedy looking humnans, 2 vamps, cloaked figures, and masked demons today.
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Interesting. I'm glad I printed the original post out before it was edited.

Could be those demon guys from "Dead Things"?

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[Kamil]

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Originally posted by BigMac:
In EP 4 Angel calls Buffy, But on Angel it was Buffy who calls him. Why was Giles not at the Wedding. This season should be call assumed crash position.

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There's a bit in the shooting script for "Hell's Bells" that mentions that Giles couldn't get away -- he's chasing down some sort of nasty demony thing -- and so he sent the flowers along with his regrets.

Personally, I think we could've done with a bit less of Harris' vs the Demons fighting to make room for that bit -- but then again, ME doesn't pay me to make these sorts of choices for them. Dammit.

But that bit about who called who -- that's interesting... On Angel Cordy called Angel to the phone; she said Willow was on the line and that Buffy was alive -- come to think of it, I think it was night and Angel was outside talking to Fred. And wasn't it daytime when Willow called Buffy to the phone? That's potentially vewy, vewy interesting, but realistically could just be a run of the mill snafu between the two production teams.

I'm still liking my Jonathan fixes Tara's death and is redeemed thereby theory (on page 28 if anyone would like to read it and comment. Ahem. ).

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I feel like Spike explaining the Ben/Glory connection. It's just like people to assume a story is over just because the hero is rotting in her grave. Sheesh.
Joss Whedon

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[BigMac]

If willow goes BAD and if it is ANYA doing as a vengeance demon who is really the BIG BAD.IF ANYA wants to get at XANDER she has to go after WILLOW and BUFFY to do that TARA and Dawn are the ones who will suffer. Assume crash position

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by willow420:
The 2nd unit is shooting with Bus travellers, cops, seedy looking humnans, 2 vamps, cloaked figures, and masked demons today.

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That's interesting. Where exactly are they shooting? My eidc contact didn't give me anything for today. Are they in Torrance or at the studio or something like that?

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[BigMac]

If it is ture that ALY and AMBER will on ASH show when it strats whenever that may be. I beleave it is set six years in the future if so then that is something to think about then who is the real BSD.

[The Partyman]

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Originally posted by BigMac:
If it is ture that ALY and AMBER will on ASH show when it strats whenever that may be. I beleave it is set six years in the future if so then that is something to think about then who is the real BSD.

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Where did you read that it was set in the future?

I would assume the intention may to be (if it does go into production) connect the timeline with events on BtVS.

I think this may have been why the reference to Giles was removed from "Hell's Bells" - it mentioned that Giles couldn't come because he was battling horrible demons in emgland, but he sent loads of flowers instead. I think its reasonable to assume that this may have been a reference to corresponding events in "Ripper".

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[Lonewolf]

I just have a quick question, does anybody know if Amber is shooting now or going to shoot a movie or something because if she is going to be shooting something that would indicate that she is probably finished with Buffy(which I hope she isn't yet) or at least needs some time off to shoot. One more thing does anybody know anything about Ambers contract for next season has there been any news on that front.

Lonewolf

[AutumnT]

Seeing as Ripper is still a gleam in Joss' eye and not even in production yet I think trying to use rumors about it to shape the way we view spoilers here today might be a bit premature.

BTW, AnGelX posted something on C&S today about Buffy leaving Dawn with Clem when she finds Spike has gone.

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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.

[Kendahl897]

This is kind of off-topic from what has been discussed here lately, but since it seems pretty likely that were not going to find out anything concrete about the last 2 episodes until much later, what the hell... I've been wondering, in episode 18, what are the actions that lead to Willow and Tara being in Willow's bedroom at Buffy's house? I mean do they go there to talk? or do they go there with the intention of making love ( cause the dialogue didn't make it sound like that was something that was planned),or what? I'm just kind of curious. Anybody have any ideas?

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by Lonewolf:
I just have a quick question, does anybody know if Amber is shooting now or going to shoot a movie or something because if she is going to be shooting something that would indicate that she is probably finished with Buffy(which I hope she isn't yet) or at least needs some time off to shoot. One more thing does anybody know anything about Ambers contract for next season has there been any news on that front.

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Well, that's one of the things that makes this whole Tara death stuff so confusing. There's been no word at all of Amber getting another gig. The only things she's got coming up are Buffy-related appearances and the new W/T comic. At least that's all that's been announced at this time.

There have been rumors about Amber signing a contract for next year, but none of them have been confirmed. In past years we haven't heard yet by this time anyway.

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[Morphine]

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Originally posted by The Partyman:
Whilst discussing the crazy nature of spoilers today, I was reminded of this post, by WilliamThePoet at the Stakehouse earlier this year.

It discusses the various numbers that were worn on the shirts earlier this season, and relates them to a Tarot Deck - and preetty much predicted much of the season!

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It seems no one picked up on this but... I mean wow. I'm not into cartomancy much, but if this was thought-out (and it appears it was, with Dawn's visit to Halfrek and her stealing...) then I've got hope for the rest of the season... This is the ME I've come to love, worship and adore. Attention to the slightest details, perfectionnism.

This is a strong indication that the staff has not been inconsistent but that the story, once fully revealed, will be as fascinating and original as past seasons were.

And, it gives hope for Tara's future on Btvs...

Thank you, Partyman, for reposting this here. You've made my day a little less crappy.

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[Lothar]

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Originally posted by AutumnT:

BTW, AnGelX posted something on C&S today about Buffy leaving Dawn with Clem when she finds Spike has gone.

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Could someone be so kind as to post AnGelX's website or maybe send it to me in an email if it is not to be made completly public.

The email is Yerffoeg_man@yahoo.com

Thank You

Lothar

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[Popje]

Wow - this person on C&S http://www.voy.com/13746/103904.html
picked up on some pop culture references from Normal Again and Gone, that I hadn't caught from the Shining, that refer to "going mental" and time travel...the ME gang are sure piling it on thick. More clues? More foreshadowing?

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by Morphine:
It seems no one picked up on this but... I mean wow. I'm not into cartomancy much, but if this was thought-out (and it appears it was, with Dawn's visit to Halfrek and her stealing...) then I've got hope for the rest of the season... This is the ME I've come to love, worship and adore. Attention to the slightest details, perfectionnism.

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Ummm... except that there's been at least one interview with Marti where she said the numbers on the shirts didn't mean anything. The wardrobe people went out and bought what was fashionable, and it just so happened that shirts with numbers on them were fashionable for a time.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that Joss would have had the time to figure out all these clues so he could instruct the wardrobe department on what numbers to give everyone. He was busy enough writing the musical.quote:

[BigMac]

On ASH show The Ripper could be buffy time line but he depart in Tabula Rasa same time will and tara breakup. And will and tara make up or get back in ep 18 or 19 and tara gets shot at the end of ep19. Something to think about so who is the BSD.

After reading everything so far posted on the broads. Are we ready for another Buffy apocalypse season ending ep...... assume crash positions.

edited to say that instead of double posting, please edit your first post and add anything new to that one.

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[theatremouse]

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Originally posted by Lonewolf:
I just have a quick question, does anybody know if Amber is shooting now or going to shoot a movie or something because if she is going to be shooting something that would indicate that she is probably finished with Buffy(which I hope she isn't yet) or at least needs some time off to shoot.

Lonewolf

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actually, amber shooting something now, or soon, would be indicative of nothing regarding her buffy future, because buffy's done shooting for the year in about three weeks. and it makes very much sense for actors to go shoot films they have lined up, in their summer hiatus, which would be happening soon. so if shes about to do a movie (or doing a movie NOW which is possible because her scenes could all be shot by now.) it just means shes got work, which we know is not exactly difficult for her to get. BUT last i checked, shes just making appearances and doing comics.

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[Wiccagrrl]

I think we can assume that the "BSD" that the Spoiler gurus (who seem to have coined the phrase) were talking about was Tara. Herc and Wendy had been hinting at it all season. I see no reason why there has to be *another* death, or to believe Tara's will have to be permanent. But I think we can put to rest the question of whether Tara is the BSD until we hear some indication that there will be another death. At this point, hers is the one we know of, period.

[Epicurus]

Oh Marti the big liar. Wardrobe went out and bought fashionable clothing? LOL when has any character worn something fashionable? I also agree that they don’t mean anything just like the cheese guy.
For some odd reason I’m getting a feeling that BigMac wants us to assume crash positions...

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[AutumnT]

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Originally posted by Epicurus:
when has any character worn something fashionable?

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Hmm. She's got a point here. Are you saying you didn't find that hideous green off the shoulder camp & brownies or whatever shirt Buffy wore this year fashionable? Or Willow's dead Elmo shirt? I wonder what the tarot cards would have to say about that outfit.

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[NLL]

Anyone know how long we have to wait before we now if Tara dies? If we have to wait until the episode airs, when will that be?

[The Big I-T]

*cough*snort*choke*

Whooboy!!...Thanks Epicurus...I sure needed that water shooting out of my nose just now...and damn...all over my keyboard, too...

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by NLL:
Anyone know how long we have to wait before we now if Tara dies? If we have to wait until the episode airs, when will that be?

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We already know that she dies. As to whether or not that death will be reversed, we could find out at any time between tomorrow and the season finale, which is at the end of May
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[Morphine]

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
Ummm... except that there's been at least one interview with Marti where she said the numbers on the shirts didn't mean anything. The wardrobe people went out and bought what was fashionable, and it just so happened that shirts with numbers on them were fashionable for a time.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that Joss would have had the time to figure out all these clues so he could instruct the wardrobe department on what numbers to give everyone. He was busy enough writing the musical.

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I know... but we've got so little hope...

Ooh, and noticed I put "if this was thought-out"? Do I believe it? I sincerely don't know. Am I willing to give it a chance if it means a more positive outlook on this... ambiguous season? Hell yeah.

But other people than Joss can figure out numbers. And what Marti said, she might have said to conceal a bit of truth (those numbers seem to reveal much of this season's plot). And I might be dillusional.

Anyhow, on with the actual spoilers. Oh wait, there aren't any...

And I'm not mean, I just had a rough "I wish I would drop dead" kinda day. Sorry.

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[Robin]

I'm not sure I want to see that crap. Sorry for the choose of words, but I can't imagine sitting in front of the TV and looking at this scene.

[Wiccagrrl]

For anyone who's new to the spoiler thread and trying to catch up/get some of the basic info we know...can I maybe suggest reading the first post in this thread? Cause it has pretty much all the big spoilers we know at this point.

[Epicurus]

AutumnT, I’m not sure about Tarot but I’m pretty sure there’s an ancient prophecy warning us about the “Evil Lesbian Muppet Murderer”. Joss is really good at foreshadowing. Why couldn’t I have just seen the signs damnit!

I am a woman in need of some spoilers.

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[Nic C]

Love the Tarot cards/shirt numbers thing. Probably doesn't mean anything, but frighteningly accurate nonetheless.

I don't like the idea of this whole season being 'Buffy in hell', as a distinct place from the real world. Growing Up - life isn't all sunshine and high school... I accept that the climax of the season could be a wish-induced worst case scenario, but the whole season? That doesn't fit - we're supposed to be watching the Scoobs make mistakes, face demons of their own making, get themselves into trouble.

Plus, Angel - the lift down to "hell", which is just LA after all.

No, I have nothing new or helpful to add.

Nic

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[cachaco]

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Originally posted by Wiccagrrl:
I think we can assume that the "BSD" that the Spoiler gurus (who seem to have coined the phrase) were talking about was Tara. Herc and Wendy had been hinting at it all season. I see no reason why there has to be *another* death, or to believe Tara's will have to be permanent. But I think we can put to rest the question of whether Tara is the BSD until we hear some indication that there will be another death. At this point, hers is the one we know of, period.

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This must have been so hard for you to write, Tracy! As ever, the Kittens distinguish themselves by their maturity and, um, good sportsmanship. Unlike some folks we know.... coughTensaicoughWendycough

We will be rewarded in the end, this graciousness is not insignificant in terms of the karmic cycle....

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[Rosenberg]

I'm not sure why, but the repeated parallels to season 5 keep bothering me. Everything from Buffy's catatonia to Tara's victimization to Willow's relentless quest for revenge. Even some of the quotes have been repeated. Spike talking to Buffy about Willow in Tough Love. "...a powerful, mightily pissed off witch..." Willow to Giles in Flooded, "I'm very powerful and maybe it's not such a good idea to piss me off."

For all I know, season 5 never actually ended, and all we're seeing right now is just a continuation of those events on another level. Hey, maybe Buffy is still traversing various dimensions as she travels through the portal. Is it possible that she's currently stuck in some Ultra Hellmouth version of Sunnydale where everyone's flaws are emphasized and distorted and even mundane situations like a leaking pipe are exaggerated to the maximum degree? I wonder if there's a Key to understanding this somewhere? OK, as a theory it probably ranks right up there with bunnies. I can't say that I really believe it myself, but I've been seriously sleep deprived lately, and it's beginning to manifest as Buffy specualtion delirium. I think I'll go and ponder the bunny theory now.

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