The Kitten, the Witches and the Bad Wardrobe Willow & Tara Forever

by **SiWangMu** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:38 am

quote:
Originally posted by Web Warlock:
FAQ#19, it's not just a good idea, it the law.

This made me laugh And I completely agree. I think everyone here agrees that there are no boys (Oz included) in Willow's future. The only disagreement I'm seeing is on whether or not she, in the past, "wanted the boys" or not, sexually speaking, and a slight bit of non-uniformity of opinion on whether that would affect her being "Gay" now.

That said, I don't feel nearly educated or informed enough to declare an opinion on either side of that question.

(Last thing) I also wanted to clarify that I realize that the debate I've described above was not intended by the starter of this thread, in case they would feel that I had implied such.

Last last thing. It occurs to me that this may be close enough to a discussion of #19 to irk people, and therefore I wanted to disclaim that I intended only promotion of harmony by clarifying the perceived (by me) intent of posters, which was never to contradict that

Willow is gay.

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"Tara: I do not know in other things concerning everyone, but, the chicken is loved."quote:

by **The Big I-T** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:38 am

quote:
Originally posted by Web Warlock:
In the end...with Tara, no question about it. As Sass puts it, Tara should have destiny was here tatooed on her ass. But I bet there would not have been an Oz.

I remember going through the early seasons with Willow, heart breaking right along with and for her every time she took an emotional hit in the love department. But now with tape and reruns, whenever I re-watch those eps, I find myself encouraging her to "Just hang in there Will. Only [insert number of eps left before Hush here] until Tara walks into your life. Then you'll have it all -- REAL and TRUE LOVE..."

--jr

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by **grifter** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:19 pm

As often, nothing great to add from me...just needed to say that I miss Jenny, she was fabolous (sp?).

by **Lanfear** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:26 pm

yeah, she was absolutely fabulous

btw, girlwiththebraids, wheres this from? "It's not a gay thing...I mean...she is...gay...but we don't gay..."

(btw, mod's is there any way to make the sig always show without having to mark it in every post?)

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Willow: that was so beautiful, and you didnt even stutter once.
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by **Warduke** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:40 pm

Lanfear…

"Oh! Oh, it's not a, a gay thing, you know, I mean, well...she's gay, but, but we don't ... gay. Not that there's anything..." that's from the ep Gone, it’s when Buffy is talking to the social worker.

And about your sig, sorry, but you do have to mark it every time

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You know, I've been thinking about it, and I can't think of any female characters in Buffy who weren't at least kinda gay - except Joyce, that is. As for Xander, I get the impression he's maybe just a bit bi - he's sometimes attracted to men (Angel, Spike, Super-Jonathan), but doesn't like to admit it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dr.G:
A woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian. It's unthinkable.

Aaaaah, yes, realization is dawning on me now. I too have known the um...company of men. I always knew my lesbo street cred was suspect...

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quote:
Originally posted by Warduke:

"Oh! Oh, it's not a, a gay thing, you know, I mean, well...she's gay, but, but we don't ... gay. Not that there's anything..." that's from the ep Gone, it’s when Buffy is talking to the social worker.

thanks for posting this warduke...the sig is indeed from Gone, and thank you for the exact quote, which i couldn't remember, and can now fix appropriately in my sig.

and to keep this on topic...willow is gay.

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"Is she your sister?"
"She's my everything..."

"Would that mean we have to snuggle?"

"There's nothing we can't face...except for bunnies."

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quote:
Originally posted by Wiccagrrl:
Under Her Spell, I just have to comment on something: You said in your article that
I just wanted to say, frankly, I've always found Buffy to be one of the more consistent shows I've ever watched. I love the continuity. I love that the show isn't afraid, in it's 5th or 6th season to make references to events that happened in Season 1. And overall I think it tends to respect and cater to the long-time viewer and not the potential new viewer. Is it perfect in this regard? Well, no...but then, no show is. And I have to say I think this season in particular has had some weakness in this department, especially regarding characterizations. But then, I don't think Joss is quite as involved this year as he has been in the past. But in general I think Buffy is fairly remarkable in it's continuity and consistency.
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I agree with you Wicca Girl. I think that Buffy is one of the most consistent shows out there. I also love how they still refer to things that happened in the first season now. It makes long time viewers like us feel more connected to the show. Or maybe that's just me. And I am and have always been so impressed by how thoroughly Joss thinks out his story lines. Like how he was setting roots and planning out Dawn's arrival 2 years ahead of when she actually showed up! the only thing that I've noticed he's inconsistant with is dates. Like when Angel was sired and his age and when he came to American, etc. Also with Buffy's birthday. There's only one inconsistancy with this. It just did "I Robot, You Jane" and I noticed that when it flashed Buffy's permanent record that it said her birthday was in October. While we all know that all her birthday eps have been end of January/beginning of February. Just a small thing only someone obsessed like me would notice.

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Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"

"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"

"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"

Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"

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Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"..Does that then mean that a woman who has been with another woman cannot be straight??

Just curious since i am a card carrying lesbian i kind of feel like it takes people time to find out who they really are..I knew from the get go i was attracted to women, however its different for other people..A person may have to try one to find out its the other they want..Just a thought..

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I think Joss had it in mind all along. I've read interviews where people say he has already thought about storylines seasons in advance.

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All4W/T, I'm pretty sure the hypothesis in question was stated as a joke- making fun of the people who can't accept the fact that Willow is gay based on the fact that she had been with Oz and had a crush on Xander.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I would definitely never say that anyone who had ever been with a partner of the same sex was automatically gay. Or even bi, for that matter. I try to respect whatever label/description people themselves feel best fits them.

Which brings us back to Willow. Who has told us repeatedly that she's GAY!

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quote:
Originally posted by All4W/T:
Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"..Does that then mean that a woman who has been with another woman cannot be straight??

Nah, it just means that we're having some fun.

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quote:
Originally posted by All4W/T:
Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"

That was sarcasm/joking on Dr. G's part. After all of this kind of thing we've been through over time, you get to the point where you're cynical, jaded and half-insane.

Of course, that only applies to me. The venerated veterans of this board are perfectly poised, sane and level-headed...

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AAAAAhhhhhh i see, being cynical and jaded as well, i should have recognized it for what it was Im still getting a feel for the personalities of the posters..My most humble apologies to Dr G although i wasnt trying to "start" anything, being new to the board i would never do that..Just thought that perhaps DrG didnt really know better.."My ignorance amuses me"..Thanks for the enlightenment kittens**

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Dr.G knows better, in fact I know best, as always, but sometimes my use of sarcasm is too subtle.

Thanks Kalita, I am feeling wonderfully sane today.

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Boys town, always an interesting subject...yep...so let me get this straight...

girl with guy than with girl = bi

guy with girl than with guy = straight

guy with girl than with guys = gay

virgins = lesbians

Is that about right?

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Damned straight Rally, there must be some outdated quasi scientific study somewhere that will prove you right.

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Dr G, I am sure there is, and you notice, that I am not under the ridiculous notion that there is any such thing as a bisexual male.

Everyone knows only women are bisexual

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You know, I've been thinking about it, and I can't think of any female characters in Buffy who weren't at least kinda gay - except Joyce, that is. As for Xander, I get the impression he's maybe just a bit bi - he's sometimes attracted to men (Angel, Spike, Super-Jonathan), but doesn't like to admit it.

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posted March 21, 2002 15:07 You know, I've been thinking about it, and I can't think of any female characters in Buffy who weren't at least kinda gay - except Joyce, that is. As for Xander, I get the impression he's maybe just a bit bi - he's sometimes attracted to men (Angel, Spike, Super-Jonathan), but doesn't like to admit it.IP: LoggedPerfume VBlessed Wannabe

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quote:
Originally posted by Dr.G:
A woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian. It's unthinkable.

Aaaaah, yes, realization is dawning on me now. I too have known the um...company of men. I always knew my lesbo street cred was suspect...

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posted March 21, 2002 16:03

quote:
Originally posted by Dr.G:
A woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian. It's unthinkable.

Aaaaah, yes, realization is dawning on me now. I too have known the um...company of men. I always knew my lesbo street cred was suspect...

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quote:
Originally posted by Warduke:

"Oh! Oh, it's not a, a gay thing, you know, I mean, well...she's gay, but, but we don't ... gay. Not that there's anything..." that's from the ep Gone, it’s when Buffy is talking to the social worker.

thanks for posting this warduke...the sig is indeed from Gone, and thank you for the exact quote, which i couldn't remember, and can now fix appropriately in my sig.

and to keep this on topic...willow is gay.

braids

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"Is she your sister?"
"She's my everything..."

"Would that mean we have to snuggle?"

"There's nothing we can't face...except for bunnies."

"It's not a gay thing...I mean...she is...gay...but we don't gay..."

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posted March 21, 2002 22:28

quote:
Originally posted by Warduke:

"Oh! Oh, it's not a, a gay thing, you know, I mean, well...she's gay, but, but we don't ... gay. Not that there's anything..." that's from the ep Gone, it’s when Buffy is talking to the social worker.

thanks for posting this warduke...the sig is indeed from Gone, and thank you for the exact quote, which i couldn't remember, and can now fix appropriately in my sig.

and to keep this on topic...willow is gay.

braids

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"Is she your sister?"
"She's my everything..."

"Would that mean we have to snuggle?"

"There's nothing we can't face...except for bunnies."

"It's not a gay thing...I mean...she is...gay...but we don't gay..."quote:IP: LoggedshellybeanWillowhand

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Registered: May 2001 posted March 21, 2002 23:31

quote:
Originally posted by Wiccagrrl:
Under Her Spell, I just have to comment on something: You said in your article that
I just wanted to say, frankly, I've always found Buffy to be one of the more consistent shows I've ever watched. I love the continuity. I love that the show isn't afraid, in it's 5th or 6th season to make references to events that happened in Season 1. And overall I think it tends to respect and cater to the long-time viewer and not the potential new viewer. Is it perfect in this regard? Well, no...but then, no show is. And I have to say I think this season in particular has had some weakness in this department, especially regarding characterizations. But then, I don't think Joss is quite as involved this year as he has been in the past. But in general I think Buffy is fairly remarkable in it's continuity and consistency.
[This message has been edited by Wiccagrrl (edited March 21, 2002).]

I agree with you Wicca Girl. I think that Buffy is one of the most consistent shows out there. I also love how they still refer to things that happened in the first season now. It makes long time viewers like us feel more connected to the show. Or maybe that's just me. And I am and have always been so impressed by how thoroughly Joss thinks out his story lines. Like how he was setting roots and planning out Dawn's arrival 2 years ahead of when she actually showed up! the only thing that I've noticed he's inconsistant with is dates. Like when Angel was sired and his age and when he came to American, etc. Also with Buffy's birthday. There's only one inconsistancy with this. It just did "I Robot, You Jane" and I noticed that when it flashed Buffy's permanent record that it said her birthday was in October. While we all know that all her birthday eps have been end of January/beginning of February. Just a small thing only someone obsessed like me would notice.

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Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"

"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"

"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"

Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"

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posted March 21, 2002 23:31

quote:
Originally posted by Wiccagrrl:
Under Her Spell, I just have to comment on something: You said in your article that
I just wanted to say, frankly, I've always found Buffy to be one of the more consistent shows I've ever watched. I love the continuity. I love that the show isn't afraid, in it's 5th or 6th season to make references to events that happened in Season 1. And overall I think it tends to respect and cater to the long-time viewer and not the potential new viewer. Is it perfect in this regard? Well, no...but then, no show is. And I have to say I think this season in particular has had some weakness in this department, especially regarding characterizations. But then, I don't think Joss is quite as involved this year as he has been in the past. But in general I think Buffy is fairly remarkable in it's continuity and consistency.
[This message has been edited by Wiccagrrl (edited March 21, 2002).]

I agree with you Wicca Girl. I think that Buffy is one of the most consistent shows out there. I also love how they still refer to things that happened in the first season now. It makes long time viewers like us feel more connected to the show. Or maybe that's just me. And I am and have always been so impressed by how thoroughly Joss thinks out his story lines. Like how he was setting roots and planning out Dawn's arrival 2 years ahead of when she actually showed up! the only thing that I've noticed he's inconsistant with is dates. Like when Angel was sired and his age and when he came to American, etc. Also with Buffy's birthday. There's only one inconsistancy with this. It just did "I Robot, You Jane" and I noticed that when it flashed Buffy's permanent record that it said her birthday was in October. While we all know that all her birthday eps have been end of January/beginning of February. Just a small thing only someone obsessed like me would notice.

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Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"

"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"

"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"

Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"quote:IP: LoggedAll4W/TBlessed Wannabe

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Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"..Does that then mean that a woman who has been with another woman cannot be straight??

Just curious since i am a card carrying lesbian i kind of feel like it takes people time to find out who they really are..I knew from the get go i was attracted to women, however its different for other people..A person may have to try one to find out its the other they want..Just a thought..

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posted March 21, 2002 23:33 Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"..Does that then mean that a woman who has been with another woman cannot be straight??

Just curious since i am a card carrying lesbian i kind of feel like it takes people time to find out who they really are..I knew from the get go i was attracted to women, however its different for other people..A person may have to try one to find out its the other they want..Just a thought..IP: Loggednikk1Blessed Wannabe

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Registered: Aug 2001 posted March 21, 2002 23:52

I think Joss had it in mind all along. I've read interviews where people say he has already thought about storylines seasons in advance.

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posted March 21, 2002 23:52 I think Joss had it in mind all along. I've read interviews where people say he has already thought about storylines seasons in advance.IP: LoggedWiccagrrlGay Now!

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All4W/T, I'm pretty sure the hypothesis in question was stated as a joke- making fun of the people who can't accept the fact that Willow is gay based on the fact that she had been with Oz and had a crush on Xander.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I would definitely never say that anyone who had ever been with a partner of the same sex was automatically gay. Or even bi, for that matter. I try to respect whatever label/description people themselves feel best fits them.

Which brings us back to Willow. Who has told us repeatedly that she's GAY!

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posted March 21, 2002 23:52 All4W/T, I'm pretty sure the hypothesis in question was stated as a joke- making fun of the people who can't accept the fact that Willow is gay based on the fact that she had been with Oz and had a crush on Xander.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I would definitely never say that anyone who had ever been with a partner of the same sex was automatically gay. Or even bi, for that matter. I try to respect whatever label/description people themselves feel best fits them.

Which brings us back to Willow. Who has told us repeatedly that she's GAY!IP: LoggedAutumnTSassy Eggs

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quote:
Originally posted by All4W/T:
Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"..Does that then mean that a woman who has been with another woman cannot be straight??

Nah, it just means that we're having some fun.

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posted March 21, 2002 23:57

quote:
Originally posted by All4W/T:
Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"..Does that then mean that a woman who has been with another woman cannot be straight??

Nah, it just means that we're having some fun.

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Registered: Jan 2001 posted March 21, 2002 23:58

quote:
Originally posted by All4W/T:
Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"

That was sarcasm/joking on Dr. G's part. After all of this kind of thing we've been through over time, you get to the point where you're cynical, jaded and half-insane.

Of course, that only applies to me. The venerated veterans of this board are perfectly poised, sane and level-headed...

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posted March 21, 2002 23:58

quote:
Originally posted by All4W/T:
Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"

That was sarcasm/joking on Dr. G's part. After all of this kind of thing we've been through over time, you get to the point where you're cynical, jaded and half-insane.

Of course, that only applies to me. The venerated veterans of this board are perfectly poised, sane and level-headed...quote:IP: LoggedAll4W/TBlessed Wannabe

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Registered: Mar 2002 posted March 22, 2002 00:24

AAAAAhhhhhh i see, being cynical and jaded as well, i should have recognized it for what it was Im still getting a feel for the personalities of the posters..My most humble apologies to Dr G although i wasnt trying to "start" anything, being new to the board i would never do that..Just thought that perhaps DrG didnt really know better.."My ignorance amuses me"..Thanks for the enlightenment kittens**

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posted March 22, 2002 00:24 AAAAAhhhhhh i see, being cynical and jaded as well, i should have recognized it for what it was Im still getting a feel for the personalities of the posters..My most humble apologies to Dr G although i wasnt trying to "start" anything, being new to the board i would never do that..Just thought that perhaps DrG didnt really know better.."My ignorance amuses me"..Thanks for the enlightenment kittens**

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Registered: Jan 2001 posted March 22, 2002 02:35

Dr.G knows better, in fact I know best, as always, but sometimes my use of sarcasm is too subtle.

Thanks Kalita, I am feeling wonderfully sane today.

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posted March 22, 2002 02:35 Dr.G knows better, in fact I know best, as always, but sometimes my use of sarcasm is too subtle.

Thanks Kalita, I am feeling wonderfully sane today. IP: LoggedRallyCool Monster Fighter

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Registered: Dec 2001 posted March 22, 2002 02:47

Boys town, always an interesting subject...yep...so let me get this straight...

girl with guy than with girl = bi

guy with girl than with guy = straight

guy with girl than with guys = gay

virgins = lesbians

Is that about right?

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No, please. I mean, tell me if I said something wrong otherwise I know I'll say it again. Probably often and in public.

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posted March 22, 2002 02:47 Boys town, always an interesting subject...yep...so let me get this straight...

girl with guy than with girl = bi

guy with girl than with guy = straight

guy with girl than with guys = gay

virgins = lesbians

Is that about right?

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No, please. I mean, tell me if I said something wrong otherwise I know I'll say it again. Probably often and in public.IP: LoggedDr.GLesbian Gay Type Lover

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Registered: Jan 2001 posted March 22, 2002 03:08

Damned straight Rally, there must be some outdated quasi scientific study somewhere that will prove you right.

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posted March 22, 2002 03:08 Damned straight Rally, there must be some outdated quasi scientific study somewhere that will prove you right.IP: LoggedRallyCool Monster Fighter

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Registered: Dec 2001 posted March 22, 2002 03:11

Dr G, I am sure there is, and you notice, that I am not under the ridiculous notion that there is any such thing as a bisexual male.

Everyone knows only women are bisexual

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posted March 22, 2002 03:11 Dr G, I am sure there is, and you notice, that I am not under the ridiculous notion that there is any such thing as a bisexual male.

Everyone knows only women are bisexual

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No, please. I mean, tell me if I said something wrong otherwise I know I'll say it again. Probably often and in public.

by **Under Her Spell** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:07 pm

You know, I've been thinking about it, and I can't think of any female characters in Buffy who weren't at least kinda gay - except Joyce, that is. As for Xander, I get the impression he's maybe just a bit bi - he's sometimes attracted to men (Angel, Spike, Super-Jonathan), but doesn't like to admit it.

by **Perfume V** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:23 pm

Don't start talking about Super-Jonathan!!! We'll tie ourselves in subtextual knots

by **tommo** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:03 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Dr.G:
A woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian. It's unthinkable.

Aaaaah, yes, realization is dawning on me now. I too have known the um...company of men. I always knew my lesbo street cred was suspect...

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...quote:

by **girlwiththebraids** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:28 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Warduke:

"Oh! Oh, it's not a, a gay thing, you know, I mean, well...she's gay, but, but we don't ... gay. Not that there's anything..." that's from the ep Gone, it’s when Buffy is talking to the social worker.

thanks for posting this warduke...the sig is indeed from Gone, and thank you for the exact quote, which i couldn't remember, and can now fix appropriately in my sig.

and to keep this on topic...willow is gay.

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"Is she your sister?"
"She's my everything..."

"Would that mean we have to snuggle?"

"There's nothing we can't face...except for bunnies."

"It's not a gay thing...I mean...she is...gay...but we don't gay..."quote:

by **shellybean** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:31 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Wiccagrrl:
Under Her Spell, I just have to comment on something: You said in your article that
I just wanted to say, frankly, I've always found Buffy to be one of the more consistent shows I've ever watched. I love the continuity. I love that the show isn't afraid, in it's 5th or 6th season to make references to events that happened in Season 1. And overall I think it tends to respect and cater to the long-time viewer and not the potential new viewer. Is it perfect in this regard? Well, no...but then, no show is. And I have to say I think this season in particular has had some weakness in this department, especially regarding characterizations. But then, I don't think Joss is quite as involved this year as he has been in the past. But in general I think Buffy is fairly remarkable in it's continuity and consistency.
[This message has been edited by Wiccagrrl (edited March 21, 2002).]

I agree with you Wicca Girl. I think that Buffy is one of the most consistent shows out there. I also love how they still refer to things that happened in the first season now. It makes long time viewers like us feel more connected to the show. Or maybe that's just me. And I am and have always been so impressed by how thoroughly Joss thinks out his story lines. Like how he was setting roots and planning out Dawn's arrival 2 years ahead of when she actually showed up! the only thing that I've noticed he's inconsistant with is dates. Like when Angel was sired and his age and when he came to American, etc. Also with Buffy's birthday. There's only one inconsistancy with this. It just did "I Robot, You Jane" and I noticed that when it flashed Buffy's permanent record that it said her birthday was in October. While we all know that all her birthday eps have been end of January/beginning of February. Just a small thing only someone obsessed like me would notice.

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Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"

"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"

"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"

Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"quote:

by **All4W/T** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:33 pm

Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"..Does that then mean that a woman who has been with another woman cannot be straight??

Just curious since i am a card carrying lesbian i kind of feel like it takes people time to find out who they really are..I knew from the get go i was attracted to women, however its different for other people..A person may have to try one to find out its the other they want..Just a thought..

by **Wiccagrrl** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:52 pm

All4W/T, I'm pretty sure the hypothesis in question was stated as a joke- making fun of the people who can't accept the fact that Willow is gay based on the fact that she had been with Oz and had a crush on Xander.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I would definitely never say that anyone who had ever been with a partner of the same sex was automatically gay. Or even bi, for that matter. I try to respect whatever label/description people themselves feel best fits them.

Which brings us back to Willow. Who has told us repeatedly that she's GAY!

by **nikk1** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:52 pm

I think Joss had it in mind all along. I've read interviews where people say he has already thought about storylines seasons in advance.

by **AutumnT** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:57 pm

quote:
Originally posted by All4W/T:
Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"..Does that then mean that a woman who has been with another woman cannot be straight??

Nah, it just means that we're having some fun.

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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.quote:

by **Kalita** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:58 pm

quote:
Originally posted by All4W/T:
Ok im delurking here just for a moment to address the above mentioned hypothesis "that a woman who has been with a man cannot be a lesbian"

That was sarcasm/joking on Dr. G's part. After all of this kind of thing we've been through over time, you get to the point where you're cynical, jaded and half-insane.

Of course, that only applies to me. The venerated veterans of this board are perfectly poised, sane and level-headed...quote:

by **All4W/T** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:24 pm

AAAAAhhhhhh i see, being cynical and jaded as well, i should have recognized it for what it was Im still getting a feel for the personalities of the posters..My most humble apologies to Dr G although i wasnt trying to "start" anything, being new to the board i would never do that..Just thought that perhaps DrG didnt really know better.."My ignorance amuses me"..Thanks for the enlightenment kittens**

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by **Dr.G** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 12:35 am

Dr.G knows better, in fact I know best, as always, but sometimes my use of sarcasm is too subtle.

Thanks Kalita, I am feeling wonderfully sane today.

by **Rally** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 12:47 am

Boys town, always an interesting subject...yep...so let me get this straight...

girl with guy than with girl = bi

guy with girl than with guy = straight

guy with girl than with guys = gay

virgins = lesbians

Is that about right?

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No, please. I mean, tell me if I said something wrong otherwise I know I'll say it again. Probably often and in public.

by **Dr.G** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:08 am

Damned straight Rally, there must be some outdated quasi scientific study somewhere that will prove you right.

by **Rally** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:11 am

Dr G, I am sure there is, and you notice, that I am not under the ridiculous notion that there is any such thing as a bisexual male.

Everyone knows only women are bisexual

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by **wiccie** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:20 am

Rally, I thought girls were bad at math? But, but...You worked it out so perfectly!

I can prove your hypothesis - I'm a technical virgin ('cuz, y'know sex isn't sex unless it's penile and vaginal intercourse), and a lesbian, AND a witch.

Just like Sophmore Year Willow.

Ok, I did try to have sex with a man once...But his pussy tasted like shit.

by **Rally** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:31 am

yeah I tried that sex with a man thing too, and it hasn't really worked out for me.

I will not even touch on, in this polite circle, where my viriginity was lost too.

As for math I suck at math, but sucking in this thread may not be such a bad thing.

Witches or Bitches all the same in my book.

Hmmm you and Willow, alike, hmmm hmmm, I will leave that opinion to those that know you better.

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by **shellybean** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:41 am

Kamil, they actually DID have that scene in the ep. They just changed it to a kiss on the forehead rather than lips.

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"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"

"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"

Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"

by **Cafe** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:17 am

quote:
Originally posted by Wiccagrrl:
As far as the Kinda Gay line...I think it was mostly done as a joke. But I think it was Joss who made the comment that it was there, kinda like showing a loaded gun in a scene. Ya may never use it, but it's been planted so that if you *do* want to...

From Joss Whedon's interview in Starburst # 277 (august 2001) :
Chris Carter has said that sometimes he'll just throw a curveball into the plot of The X-Files, and let the writers deal with the fallout in subsequent episodes. "I don't do that," Whedon says. "I do stuff that is either self contained or means something. But every once in a while you go back to something you thought was a one-off, and you go 'Oh shit, we can use that!' The fact that Willow's vampire self happened to be kinda gay wasn't planned. It's not like we hadn't talked about it, of course, but at that point, Vampires just seemed to have polymorphous sexuality, and that's what we were playing when we made that funny joke. We've killed the vampire Willow twice, but god, I wanna see her again. She's so cool!"

Oh, and if Willow says she's gay, well... she's gay !

[This message has been edited by Cafe (edited March 22, 2002).]quote:

by **All4W/T** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 6:32 am

What a Gloryious thing, finding this W/T board!! It suddenly Dawns on me, the whole kitteNcaboodle are cynical, jaded and lots of them are "gay"..Not to mention W/T being the main focus...Im in Buffy heaven Ok maybe not all of you are cynical and jaded

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by **Web Warlock** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:51 am

quote:
Originally posted by wiccie:
Ok, I did try to have sex with a man once...But his pussy tasted like shit.

Ok, NOT what I needed read first thing in the morning! Nearly laughed coffee out of my nose!

This thread has prompted me to add a new page to my site. It is still a work in progress, and I would love suggestions. Don't post them here unless there VERY on topic, just email me. Anyway the page is called, very originally, "Willow is Gay". And you can see it at, http://www.xtreme-gaming.com/theothersi ... wisgay.php let me know what you think!

Warlock.

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by **xita** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:33 am

Go Warlock, you go boy!

by **Dr.G** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:37 am

Ah bless you Warlock, where do you rate on the Kinsey scale? Is there any hope for us?

by **Warduke** » Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:13 am

Yes Warlock, you rock!

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