General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 10

[calistafigg]

Yeah... I think that Spike will probably be staked or something, possibly trying to protect someone else. I doubt Joss will have use for him for the whole of the next season, unless he pulls a donkey sized rabbit out of the hat. stange metaphor.

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[tommo]

Calistafigg, please...I don't know you, but for the love of all things sacred, please stop talking about Spike.

I honestly couldn't give a flying crap what happens to him. I don't care. He's been redundant as a character for me for almost a full season now. I'm not bothered whether he ends up being bloody Angel Gabriel or salting the earth.

I'm only really interested in spoilers and speculation that pertains to Willow and Tara, because, you know, this is a Willow/Tara board after all.

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

[Epicurus]

ack Willow hasn't even done anything wrong and we're already figuring out how to her redemption will play out.

[Peapod]

I'm confused. Some of the spoliers said that the person who dies has/will have a broken heart. Tara wouldn't have a broken heart if her and willow were together, she would be happy until her death. Right?

[calistafigg]

Yeah... tommo, sorry about that... just got a little sidetracked... No more Spike.

Back to Willow/Tara.

Tara can't stay dead. It's not fair on everyone. But when Willow goes all Dark Magic, There could be a role reversal of the end of season five, with Tara looking after Willow instead of the other way around.

[wiltar]

Tommo, I agree with you. I don't care about Spike... I understand that some people do, I respect that, but this is not the place to dicuss that. I want W/T... preferably the good kind!

Patricia

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"What are they looking at?"
"The hotness of you, doofus!"

[Peapod]

Amber was contracted for 18 episodes and Villains would be her 17th. So she has to come back near the end of the season.

[shellybean]

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Originally posted by Peapod:
I'm confused. Some of the spoliers said that the person who dies has/will have a broken heart. Tara wouldn't have a broken heart if her and willow were together, she would be happy until her death. Right?

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I was actually thinking that too, but then I remembered that it was Wanda that said this and she isn't notoriously reliable.

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Tara: "I understand. You have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am." – "New Moon Rising"

"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"

"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"

Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"quote:

[AutumnT]

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Originally posted by Peapod:
Amber was contracted for 18 episodes and Villains would be her 17th. So she has to come back near the end of the season.

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No, she was contracted for 16 episodes. There's a lot of discussion of this in the many spoiler threads we have had.

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Autumn

I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.quote:

[wiccie]

Ruth, thanks - you took the words right out of my keyboard.

And Newbie peeps - please, please, please read/skim the rest of the thread before posting. I feel like I slogged thru 5 pages of the same discussions/questions I've seen on the five pages before that, and before that...etc.

And a positive new W/T thought that I *know* no one else has brought up ('cuz I checked), and 'cuz I'm all about being Ms.Psycho Pep Squad.

W/T Marathon Make-Up Sex Timeline (extrapolated from DSM & Michelle's spoilers):

W&T are makin' it for at least 24 hours - possibly even longer. *Bow-chikka-bow-wow*

The make-up mini-talk and smoochies begin at the end of ep 18, and The Awful Stuff doesn't happen until the end of 19 and early ep 20. The only other spoilers we have for ep 19 involve Buffy and the Troika - no other mention of W&T patroling, going grocery shopping, hanging out with Dawn, etc.

So, in my smutty mind I conclude - from the limited evidence - that W&T are in the bedroom the *entire* ep while Buffy tracks the Troika. I can also imagine the other Scoobs (esp. Dawn) wondering why Willow hasn't come out of her room all day and Tara's not answering her phone, then cutting to nekkid W&T mussing the sheets, and cut back to the Scoobs pondering - you get the drift. And if the ep occurs over several days, well a Double Whoo-Hoo to that.

Who's with me?

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[Willowhand]

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Originally posted by calistafigg:
And somewhere, I still see hope for spike... I cant see him going bad agin... too much character development.

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Bad again? Since when has he ever been good?
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[The Godfather]

Just a quick note on contracts..even if she had been contracted for 18 eps doesn't mean she HAS to be in 18 eps..just that she is paid for 18. They don't have to use her.

Emma is paid for 22 eps even though she has only been in 16 or 17 thus far..

-Shawn

[Willowhand]

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Originally posted by Peapod:
Amber was contracted for 18 episodes and Villains would be her 17th. So she has to come back near the end of the season.

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I thought Amber was contracted for 16 episodes?quote:

[Peapod]

In some spoliers they say that Tara comes back as a ghost. Has anyone else heard that? or am I just going insane?

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[VampNo1]

Amber has been contracted for 16 episodes like last year, but that means at least 16. Meaning, last year she was actually in two more episodes bringing her total to 18, which could happen this year again if a Tara is alive by reset or whatever at the end of the season.

[Robin]

I remember reading the transcript for "Bargaining" and there was that scene shortly after Buffy came back: She's looking at some photos of her and all her friends and suddenly all the faces change and they look like being dead.
I guess that's just wild speculation and the whole scene was only meant for this one episode in order to show Buffy's feelings about coming back, but maybe it means some more. What if she didn't really come back or something like that.
Maybe that's too far away, but that scene is strange, why should she see all of her friends dead and not only herself.
If there should ever be a "Wild speculation thread", I'm the first to visit.

[siera20]

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Originally posted by calistafigg:
Shawn,

I agree with you, but I don't see why Anya should have to die because of it... It would probably push Xander over the edge.

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Anya has been scared of her own mortality ever since she became human again, it was partially why her speech in "the body" was so moving. She doesn't understand death or why people would opt to die and she *really* doesn't want to die. For Anya giving up her own mortality for someone else would be the ultimate act of growing up...which is kind of what the season is about. Plus if she is a "souless" demon at the time then that will further the whole shades of grey thing...if a demon can self-sacrifice then what does that mean for all of the other demons and how will it affect Spike and Tara.

Anya is a wonderful and vibrant character and she really does liven up the screen, but unlike Tara she doesn't really blend with the other scoobies...without going out with Xander she doesn't seem to have much of a purpose being around them. So it seems as though it's an either or thing......either she dies (or leaves) or she and Xander get back together....to have a surviving hetro couple and a dead/evil lesbian couple would pander to every cliche in the book, something joss doesn't seem to want to do.

so yeah I love anya dearly but....her death is dramatically apt, it fits the theme of this season in the same way as buffy's death did last year.

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[wiltar]

Robin: I think they did show that scene, in After Life, it made total sense in the ep... it had all to do with that hitch-hike thing that traveled along with Buffy

Patricia

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"What are they looking at?"
"The hotness of you, doofus!"

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[Robin]

Oh yes, you're absolutely right. My fault.

[The Godfather]

Actually not all demons are soul-less. In fact the only demons we have been plainly told that are ALWAYS soulless are vampires.

Whistler had a soul. And a few of the others so ultimately that would have no impact on Spike.

That said..I'd imagine that they'd let Anya make the decision as a human..thus it'd be even more affecting..because at that point she could just return to Xan..

-Shawn

[bzengo]

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Originally posted by siera20:
Anya is a wonderful and vibrant character and she really does liven up the screen, but unlike Tara she doesn't really blend with the other scoobies...without going out with Xander she doesn't seem to have much of a purpose being around them. So it seems as though it's an either or thing......either she dies (or leaves) or she and Xander get back together....to have a surviving hetro couple and a dead/evil lesbian couple would pander to every cliche in the book, something joss doesn't seem to want to do.

so yeah I love anya dearly but....her death is dramatically apt, it fits the theme of this season in the same way as buffy's death did last year.

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I agree. Anya fits thematically. Tara doesn't fit in any way.

Ed the Spoiler said see this the easiest way possible. Still don't know if Ed is on the money or not, but the simplest way that I see this is:

Willow kills Warren.
Willow kills others and becomes unstoppable.
Big fight. Many people (including possibly Scoobies) die.
Willow goes poof.
Anya performs reset and either dies or doesn't die.
If Anya dies, next season Buffy takes over the Magic Box, thus getting rid of that damn Doublemeat job and having the steady salary those Council idiots should have been paying her all along.
Lots of Willow/Tara loving.
The end.
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[Willowhand]

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Originally posted by VampNo1:
Amber has been contracted for 16 episodes like last year, but that means at least 16. Meaning, last year she was actually in two more episodes bringing her total to 18, which could happen this year again if a Tara is alive by reset or whatever at the end of the season.

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I'm wondering if Marti said that Amber was going to be in 16 exactly just to make us think Tara was going to die permanently. She never said "about 16", she was always saying exactly 16. So, maybe Amber really will be in 18 .. and the whole 16 thing was just to fool us? Lol, I'm probably not making any sense. Just a thought.
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[maudmac]

Please, please, no more Spike debates!

It's really nice to see the board back to its old self after the meltdown we all had there for a while. Whew.

I'm thinking again. Okay, so apparently Anya, having accepted D'Hoffryn's offer, grants a wish in ep 18/19. There isn't any spoilage about exactly who makes the wish or what they wish for, right? (But we all know that the tiniest, stupidest little wish can have devastating consequences.)

FF to the end of ep 22. Anya breaks the pendant, wish undone. Whatever that does, I keep thinking that we've still got Halfrek running around.

I'm not sure the show has done a good job of clearly differentiating between the affects of certain types of wishes. When Anyanka granted Cordelia's wish that Buffy had never come to Sunnydale, it spawned some kind of AU thing, which everyone forgot or never knew about to begin with. But when Halfrek granted Dawn's wish that people stop leaving her, it only altered the current reality, which everyone remembered. (Cordelia's wish involved changing the past. Dawn's wish involved changing the present/future. I'm not sure the casual viewer would make that distinction. Heck, I'm not even sure I've got it right.)

My thinking is that what will determine whether everyone remembers the events between the wish and it's undoing is the type of wish made. "I wish no one had died" versus "I wish everyone were alive and well".

The main question I have today is, so what would happen if there were multiple (and possibly conflicting) wishes? Say The Trainwreck is caused by the wish Anya grants whoever. What happens if Halfrek grants a wish in the middle of that? This could explain why there's sooooo much screwiness going on in eps 19 and 20.

If it even happens that way, which it probably won't. (Mods, I'm concerned about crossing the speculation line. There really is an infinity of speculation possible and I don't want to overdo it. Sorry if I have. I haven't had a good sporking lately.)

[The Godfather]

You're giving Marti too much credit for being clever.

This is the same woman who thinks Angel has been on a redemption quest for 300 years and who believes the Slayer line still goes through Buffy when Joss has previously said it only goes through Faith.

-Shawn

[Robin]

bzengo I would love such an ending!

[theatremouse]

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Originally posted by The Godfather:

theatremouse: I have to admit..I find myself conflicted on the concept of murder by party. Xand's intentions were good and he wasn't the one he killed those people. He can't be held as more than an accomplice...

-Shawn

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shawn i totally dig where youre coming from. i'm not saying he's a murderer or anything, but one would expect a little more guilty feeling or something. i mean, ya gotta admit(well you dont HAVE to, but i kinda think its probly a fairly unanimous vibe) that xander's little shrug at the end of omwf and " i thought it would be fun and dancing" yada yada, was weak, and considering the burnt up people, i mean, it's not neccessary that they go deal with it, cuz i know that wasnt the point, but still, if i were a character who'd that happened to, particularly consdiering his other lines in the ep about people burning up. well i'd have more of a response that's all. but now i think i've gone waaaaaaay off. anyway, xander's no clean slate is all.

meanwhile, everybody else: where the heck is DSM? it seems like it's been eons since we've been graced with the wondrous presence....

oooh and i'm totally digging this wish deal with the "wish no one had died" vs "wish everyone were alive". verrrry good point.

yeah, and what about that warren-bot possibility.... i'm still puzzled by how that might play in to something.... somewhere... can't think of it. is there new news on that?

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It's horrible! That's me as a vampire. I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.

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[The Godfather]

Honestly..I blame Joss for that. It was a weak plot point that was supposed to dismissed as being humourous. He forgot that the audience has become more sensitive to actions that cause damage to innocents..

-Shawn

[kittymccat]

As I'm fairly new to this board I don't know if this has been talked about before. Do you remember the ep maybe 2 seasons ago when Willow did a spell after Oz left and whatever was said, even in passing by her, literally happened - Spike and Buffy got engaged (which was quite funny). Anyway, at the end of that episode Willow as given a choice about becoming a vengence demon - she said no - could it be possible that will come into play in the whole Warren thing. Could this also affect Anya/Xander?? Just a thought - does anyone have any ideas on this?? thanks.

[siera20]

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Originally posted by The Godfather:
Actually not all demons are soul-less. In fact the only demons we have been plainly told that are ALWAYS soulless are vampires.

-Shawn

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Yes but Anya has always explained the setting-fire-to-people, the cursing people with self-canibalism, the getting many many people killed in violent and painful ways with "I was a demon then". In theory if she had a soul at the time she would be morally culpable for all of that.

The point being if she overcomes the terror, torture and bloodshed in her past by self-sacrificing it does advance the storyline. Makes the world even more shades-of-grey.

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[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by theatremouse:
where the heck is DSM? it seems like it's been eons since we've been graced with the wondrous presence....

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It would seem to me that DSM is someone who has remarkably reliable access to spoilers, but only once in a while. If you'll recall, before the Episode 18 spoilers the last thing that DSM gave us was for "Smashed."

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