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Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby bytrsuite » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:42 pm

The Spin vs reality thread.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby Warduke » Sun May 01, 2005 9:11 pm

Tonight on the first new episode of Family Guy, they opened up the show with this...

Peter: Well unfortunately Lois there's just no more room on the schedule. We've just gotta accept the fact that FOX has to make room for terrific shows like Dark Angel, Titus, Undeclared, Action, That 80's Show, Wonderfalls, Fastlane, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Skin, Girls Club, Cracking Up, The Pits, Firefly, Get Real, Freaky Links, Wanda At Large, Costello, The Lone Gunmen, A Minute With Stan Hooper, Normal: Ohio, Pasadena, Harsh Realm, Keen Eddy, The Street, American Embassy, Cedric the Entertainer, The Tick, Louie, and Greg the Bunny.


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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby WebWarlock » Mon May 02, 2005 8:18 am

Well this can go here, or the merchandise thread.

The Buffy and Angel mags are folding into one magazine.

http://www.titanmagazines.com/us/index.html

This is not a suprise, nor is it really a big notice of the death of the francise. It just makes good business sense.

What it doea say is that the sales are wanning (but not as fast as say Farscapes magazine did) and that Angel was never really it's own show.

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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Mon May 02, 2005 8:36 am

any way we can get the old thread archived here so we can refer back to ratings numbers etc?


from media week
More Fall 2005 Renewals:
In addition to the announced pick-ups for Alias, Boston Legal, Desperate Housewives, Extreme Makeover: Home Edition and Lost, ABC has given an early 2005-06 green light to sitcom According To Jim and veteran reality franchise America's Funniest Home Videos. Fox, meanwhile, has renewed freshman Nanny 911 for a second season with an order for 13 new episodes, while NBC's sinking Will & Grace will return for an eighth season.

So Long, American Dreams:
As expected, NBC drama America Dreams, which debuted on Sept. 29, 2002, will not be returning for a fourth season.



results in primetime for Monday, April 25 through Saturday, April 30. Note: Monday through Thursday are based on the final nationals, while Friday and Saturday are the fast affiliate ratings. Thursday was the first night of the May 2005 sweeps.

Monday 4/25/05

-Households:
CBS: 8.7/13, NBC: 7.4/11, Fox: 5.7/ 9, ABC: 5.4/ 8, WB: 3.4/ 5, UPN: 2.1/ 3

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 13.27 million, NBC: 12.02, Fox: 9.10, ABC: 7.71, WB: 4.87, UPN: 3.07

-Adults 18-49:
NBC: 4.6/12, CBS: 4.1/11, Fox: 3.9/10, ABC: 3.0/ 8, WB: 1.8/ 5, UPN: 1.2/ 3

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Tuesday 4/26/05

-Households:
Fox: 12.8/20, CBS: 8.4/13, NBC: 5.0/ 8, ABC: 4.5/ 7, WB: 3.2/ 5, UPN: 1.9/ 3

-Total Viewers:
Fox: 21.06 million, CBS: 12.82, NBC: 7.10, ABC: 6.80, WB: 4.97, UPN: 2.81

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 8.5/22, CBS: 3.8/10, NBC: 2.6/ 7, ABC: 2.5/ 6, WB: 2.2/ 5, UPN: 1.0/ 3

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Wednesday 4/27/05

-Households:
CBS: 7.9/13, Fox: 7.8/12, ABC: 6.1/10, NBC: 5.9/10, UPN: 2.6/ 4, WB: 2.1/ 3

-Total Viewers:
Fox: 12.43 million, CBS: 11.88, ABC: 9.46, NBC: 8.39, UPN: 3.76, WB: 3.76

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 5.6/15, CBS: 3.6/10, ABC: 3.5/ 9, NBC: 2.9/ 8, UPN: 1.7/ 5, WB: 1.4/ 4

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Thursday 4/28/05
Night 1 of the May 2005 Sweep

Note: Due to the Presidential Address, CBS, NBC and Fox were not rated from 8-9 p.m., while ABC's average is based on 10-11 p.m. only.

-Households:
CBS: 13.9/21, NBC: 9.1/14, ABC: 4.6/ 7, UPN: 3.2/ 5, Fox and WB: 2.5/ 4 each

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 22.46 million, NBC: 13.49, ABC: 6.48, UPN: 4.84, WB: 3.74, Fox: 3.53

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 8.0/20, NBC: 6.1/15, ABC: 2.0/ 5, UPN: 1.9/ 5, Fox and WB: 1.6/ 4 each

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Friday 4/29/05
Night 2 of the May 2005 Sweep

-Households:
CBS: 7.6/13, NBC: 5.7/10, ABC: 5.1/ 9, Fox: 3.5/ 6, WB: 2.2/ 4, UPN: 1.8/ 3

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 11.51 million, NBC: 8.35, ABC: 7.64, Fox: 5.50, WB: 3.24, UPN: 2.84

-Adults 18-49:
ABC and CBS: 2.7/ 9 each, NBC: 2.4/ 8, Fox: 2.1/ 7, WB: 1.4/ 5, UPN: 1.1/ 4

-Of Note:
The series finale of CBS' JAG went out in style with a time period winning 8.9/15 in households, 13.79 million viewers and a 2.9/ 9 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m. Also worth positive mention was the WB's competing Living With Fran at 9:30 p.m., with retention out of lead-in Reba of 88 percent in households (Reba: 2.6/ 5, Fran: 2.3/ 4), 91 percent in viewers (Reba: 3.95 million, Fran: 3.59 million) and 88 percent among adults 18-49 (Reba: 1.7/ 5, Fran: 1.5/ 5).

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Saturday 4/30/05
Night 3 of the May 2005 Sweep

-Households:
CBS: 4.8/ 9, NBC: 4.6/ 8, Fox: 4.2/ 8, ABC: 3.6/ 6

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 6.94 million, Fox: 6.68, NBC: 6.42, ABC: 5.58

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 2.7/ 9, ABC: 1.9/ 6, NBC: 1.8/ 6, CBS: 1.7/ 5

Source: Nielsen Media Research data



sunday May 1
the WB, two episodes of Charmed (repeat and original - 7 p.m. Overnights: 1.6/ 3; Viewers: 1.70 million; A18-49: 9.8/ 3; 8 p.m. Overnights: 3.0/ 5; Viewers: 3.42 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 4) followed by Steve Harvey's Big Time Challenge (Overnights: 2.2/ 3; Viewers: 2.67 million; A18-49: 1.1/ 3) remained in the distant No. 5 spot.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby Warduke » Mon May 02, 2005 12:26 pm

In today's TV Guide, The Watercooler section had this...

Family Guy
It's been three long years since an original Family Guy aired, and creator Seth MacFarlane and his crew haven't missed a beat. Nice dig at the beginning when Peter listed a slew of other Fox shows that have come and gone. But, for the record, Undeclared and The Tick were two that, in their own way, were just as undeserving of the network ax.


What? No mention of Firefly as underserving of the ax?

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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby Sheridan » Tue May 03, 2005 6:33 am

At this point in time it does look like Joss and ME are out of business as far as original(and I use that term in the loosest possible sense) productions goes. JW's signing up for Wondwr Woman says that he doesn't expect to be doing 'Serenity 2: Wow someone actually watched the first one?' or anything much else in the forseeable future. Even if some of the actors had a mental breakdown and told Joss they would love to do some Buffy/Angel spinoff the time to do it has passed.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Tue May 03, 2005 8:30 am

I agree Sher. - I don't think ME will be back from the dead any time soon.


from media week

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The WB's 7th Heaven returned to the world of original episodes with a solid 5.1/ 8 in the overnights (#4, 5.1/ 8), 4.80 million viewers (#5) and a 1.8/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#5) at 8 p.m., followed by the compatible Everwood at a 4.1/ 5 in the overnights (#5), 4.02 million viewers (#5) and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#5t). Too bad former 9 p.m. occupant Summerland (which will return with fresh episodes this summer) did not have the benefit of airing out of more 7th Heaven originals.

Over at UPN, sitcoms One On One (Overnights: #6, 2.4/ 4; Viewers: #6, 2.79 million; A18-49: #6, 1.1/ 3), Cuts (Overnights: #6, 2.3/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.88 million; A18-49: #6, 1.2/ 3), Girlfriends (Overnights: #6, 2.9/ 4; Viewers: #6, 3.53 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4) and Half & Half (Overnights: #6, 2.7/ 4; Viewers: #6, 3.22 million; A18-49: #5t, 1.5/ 3) were at recent levels
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby WebWarlock » Tue May 03, 2005 9:52 am

How we feel about AICN.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?d ... 6-24&res=l

Add Herc and Wanda to the list and it could beat the GNP of many nations.

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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby sam7777 » Tue May 03, 2005 10:43 am

Even if some of the actors had a mental breakdown and told Joss they would love to do some Buffy/Angel spinoff the time to do it has passed.

I think that it goes beyond the actors running away. I don't believe that Josswad wants to do Buffyverse stuff either (nor Fox but that's another tale) but blames the actors to keep the gullibles on a tether. If folks didn't get a clue from what happened to us and dump :joss and his shit, there is no help for them.

He could still do Serenity 2 after crapping on Wonder Woman but it increasingly seems from what we are hearing that that is not previewing well. Still if Sereneshit is doing poorly why are Silver and Warners hiring :joss to ruin Wonder Woman? There is a possiblity that Warners and/or Silver hates his script and dumps him from the project. Or they may dump him from the project if Sereneshit does badly but I still don't know why they picked him in the first place.

:joss is neither a name ala Singer nor a promising new talent ala Fincher. He is damaged goods with a failed TV series and 3 shows cancelled in 14 months. He has baggage like "Atlantis", Alien 4, and "Titan AE" versus being one of the crowd on Toy Story (I skip Waterworld cuz he isn''t creditted for that). He is a known quantitiy in the film world and his record is pretty lousy. His failure in films is what led him to his failure in TV.

I continue to be amazed that :joss is still considered to be a "feminist" despite the low grades (C's and D's) that his shows got from NOW and despite the misogyny in the last few seasons of his shows:
--Buffy giving Spike and invisible blow job
--Willow having the skin stipped from her stomache
--Buffy reduced to being a strindent Bitch
--Willow and Buffy as cases in point that women canot "deal" with power

Interestinglly, this is not Silver's first go at Wonder Woman:
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/36742p1.html
Wonder Woman Scribe Chosen
2001-01-24
Producer Joel Silver has picked screenwriter Todd Alcott to help bring Wonder Woman to the screen.
Screenwriter Todd Alcott is the man that will pen the Wonder Woman screenplay. Word comes from today's Variety that the scribe will be paid a high-six-figure advance to write the script for Warner Bros. producer Joel Silver.

Silver has already has a miss with Wonder Woman and start and stops along the way:
http://www.efavata.com/CBM/WonderWoman.htm
Comic Book Movies: Wonder Woman
September 29, 2003: Screenwriter Laeta Kalogridis is the latest scribe to be asked to turn WONDER WOMAN into a viable movie franchise. Kalogridis was hired by Warner Bros. to adapt the BIRDS OF PREY comic series into a TV series for The WB, which then aired last year on the network before being cancelled.

Look up the definition of development hell and you'll probably find the WONDER WOMAN feature film listed there. The project has had a succession of writers come in, write a script, then be replaced by a new writer year after year. The project is still under the wing of MATRIX producer Joel Silver at WB. According to Variety, Kalogridis is going back to the superheroine's roots and will tell the Amazonian princess origin story but set in the modern day. Thanks to Cinescape!
...
May 6, 2003: Comics2Film/CBR News has learned that Warner Bros. has hired another new writer on the "Wonder Woman" feature film project. Sources in the know tell us that Philip Levens is now on board to write the script for the project. Levens is best known to fans for his work on "Smallville" writing the "Tempest" finale to season one and the "Vortex" opener for season two. Levens is bowing out of season three of the show to focus on his feature work. The new writer follows Todd Alcott ("13 Ghosts"), Jon Cohen ("Minority Report") and Becky Johnston ("Price of Tides") who have all taken a pass at bringing DC's classic female character to the big screen. Joel Silver ("The Matrix") is producing the movie. With the superhero movie trend continuing to thrive, no doubt Warner Bros is eager to see the most well known female hero on the big screen.

:joss is one of a large crowd to work on a Wonder Woman script. Apparently, the movie now has a "green light" but I will belive it when it comes to my local cinema and I don't go to see it. It's a shame to see Warner's shit all over one of their licensed properties. Wonder Woman deserves better.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Wed May 04, 2005 8:22 am

tue
Also in the 8 p.m. hour was the WB's healthy Gilmore Girls (Overnights: #3, 4.9/ 7; Viewers: #4, 5.41 million; A18-49: #3, 2.3/ 6), and struggling UPN comedies All Of Us (Overnights: #6, 1.7/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.16 million; A18-49: #6, 0.9/ 3) and Eve (Overnights: #6, 1.9/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.43 million; A18-49: #6, 1.0/ 3). Will both All of Us and Eve be back in 2005-06? Stay tuned.

Also in the 9 p.m. hour was the WB's One Tree Hill (Overnights: #5, 3.2/ 4; Viewers: #5, 4.80 million; A18-49: #5, 2.1/ 5) and UPN's critically acclaimed but struggling Veronica Mars (Overnights: #6, 2.2/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.65 million; A18-49: #6, 1.1/ 3) at typical Tuesday levels. Let's hope more viewers discover the alluring Ms. Mars in year two.



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from media week
National Ratings in Primetime - Week of April 25, 2005:
CBS and Fox Continue to Dominate

Sharing the No. 1 spot, CBS was first for the week of April 25 in households, total viewers and adults 25-54, while Fox maintained leadership in adults 18-49 and adults 18-34. Both networks were up year-to-year, with growth in the five surveyed categories of 8 to 14 percent for CBS, and 5 to 13 percent for Fox. Although American Idol remained at the top of the charts, also worth noting on Fox was the season-premiere of Family Guy, which ranked No. 10 overall for the week among adults 18-49 (5.8/13), and the time-period premiere of lead-out American Dad, which tied for No. 20, with a 4.7/10 in the demo. In addition, Fox's relocated Stacked, now airing Wednesday at 9:30 p.m. out of Idol, perked up to No. 17 in the demo with a 5.1/13.

In addition to the ongoing success of CSI (which came down slightly after being pushed back to 10 p.m. opposite NBC's ER due to the Presidential speech), Survivor: Palau, Everybody Loves Raymond, Two and a Half Men, CSI: Miami, CSI: NY (which benefited out of a repeat of CSI), and The Amazing Race 7, CBS Hallmark Hall of Fame made-for, Riding On the Bus With My Sister, also cracked the top 20 in total viewers with 14.98 million. The series-finale of CBS' JAG ranked No. 17 with 13.98 million viewers.

Second for the week among adults 18-49 and adults 18-34 was ABC, which was up by a hefty 20 percent in each demo versus one year-earlier. Despite finishing last for the week, UPN was also on the plus side, with gains of 16 to 27 percent. Although NBC and the WB both suffered losses, the wilting Peacock net was considerably worse at erosion of 23 to 37 percent.

What follows are the final national ratings for the week of April 25, 2005 (with percent change versus the comparable year-ago period in parentheses) followed by the top-rated programs of the week:

-Households:
CBS: 8.5/14 (+ 8), Fox: 6.1/10 (+ 9), NBC: 6.1/10 (-23), ABC: 6.0/10 (+15), WB: 2.4/ 4 (- 4), UPN: 2.2/ 4 (+16)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 13.02 million (+10), Fox: 10.05 (+13), ABC: 9.34 (+18), NBC: 9.09 (-25), WB: 3.67 (- 2), UPN: 3.78 (+21)

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 4.3/12 (+10), ABC: 3.6/10 (+20), CBS: 3.6/10 (+ 9), NBC: 3.2/ 9 (-33), WB: 1.5/ 4 (- 6), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (+27)

-Adults 18-34:
Fox: 4.0/13 (+ 5), ABC: 3.0/ 9 (+20), NBC: 2.6/ 8 (-37), CBS: 2.5/ 8 (+14), WB: 1.6/ 5 (-11), UPN: 1.4/ 5 (+27)

-Adults 25-54:
CBS: 4.7/11 (+12), Fox: 4.5/11 (+13), ABC: 4.2/10 (+24), NBC: 3.8/ 9 (-30), WB: 1.5/ 4 (- 6), UPN: 1.4/ 3 (+17)

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Top Rated Programs of the Week

-Total Viewers:
Desperate Housewives (ABC: 25.68 million), American Idol Tuesday (Fox: 25.52), American Idol Wednesday (Fox: 24.42), CSI (CBS, Thurs. 10 p.m.: 23.68), Survivor: Palau (CBS: Thurs. 9 p.m.: 21.21), Grey's Anatomy (ABC: 17.88), House R (Fox: 16.45), Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (ABC: 16.36), Cold Case (CBS: 16.28), Everybody Loves Raymond R (CBS: 15.79), CSI: Miami R (CBS: 15.69), CBS Sunday Movie: Riding on the Bus With My Sister (CBS: 14.98), Two and a Half Men R (CBS: 14.93), CSI: NY (CBS: 14.84), ER (NBC: 14.52), Medium (NBC: 14.42), JAG (CBS, series-finale: 13.98), Lost (ABC: 13.75), NCIS (CBS: 13.67), The Amazing Race 7 (CBS: 13.27)

-Adults 18-49:
Desperate Housewives (ABC: 11.5/25), American Idol Tuesday (Fox: 10.8/29), American Idol Wednesday (Fox: 10.5/26), CSI (CBS, Thurs. 10 p.m.: 8.3/21), Grey's Anatomy (ABC: 8.2/20), Survivor: Palau (CBS, Thurs. 9 p.m.: 7.8/20), ER (NBC: 6.6/17), Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (ABC: 6.5/17), House R (Fox: 6.1/15), Family Guy (Fox: season premiere, 5.8/13), The Simpsons (Fox, Sun. 8:30 p.m.: 5.6/14), The Apprentice 3 (NBC: 5.5/14), Medium (NBC: 5.4/14), CSI: NY (CBS: 5.3/14), The Simpsons (Fox, 350th episode: 5.2/14), The Amazing Race 7 (CBS: 5.2/12), Stacked (Fox: 5.1/13), Lost (ABC: 5.0/15), CSI: Miami R (CBS: 5.0/13), Everybody Loves Raymond R (CBS: 4.9/12)

Source: Nielsen Media Research data, R = repeat


wed
America's Next Top Model on UPN (Overnights: #5, 4.5/ 7; Viewers: #5, 4.55 million; A18-49: #3, 2.3/ 7) was also worth positively noting, beating the WB's fading Smallville (Overnights: #6, 3.7/ 6; Viewers: #6, 4.36 million; A18-49: #6, 1.8/ 5) by 22 percent in the overnights, 190,000 million viewers and 28 percent among adults 18-49. Someone better get young Superman some kryptonite stat! Also in the 8 p.m. hour was NBC's Dateline at a disappointing 6.0/ 9 in the overnights (#2), 6.98 million viewers (#4) and a 1.9/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#5).

In the battle of the low-rated 9 p.m. freshman dramas (tick, tock…the cancellation clock is ticking), UPN's Kevin Hill (Overnights: #5, 2.7/ 4; Viewers: #5, 2.81 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3) outdelivered the WB's Jack & Bobby (Overnights: #6, 1.8/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.20 million; A18-49: #6, 0.8/ 2) by 50 percent in the overnights, 610,000 million viewers and 62 percent among adults 18-49. Too bad subsequent episodes of Kevin Hill were never as good as the pilot.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data



On UPN, comical wrestling arena WWE Smackdown! notched a fifth-place 3.5/ 5 in the overnights, 4.49 million viewers and a 1.7/ 5 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m., while four episodes of the WB's Blue Collar TV (original and three repeats) averaged a lackluster (and, of course, last-place) 2.0/ 3 in the overnights, 2.89 million viewers and a 1.3/ 4 among adults 18-49.



friday
UPN inched past the WB in households and total viewers overall with its combination of the soon-to-conclude Star Trek: Enterprise (HH: #5, 2.0/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.30 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 5), and a repeat of America's Next Top Model (HH: #6, 1.8/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.44 million; A18-49: #6, 1.0/ 3).
On the WB, although the should-be-axed What I Like About You (HH: 1.3/ 3; Viewers: 1.83 million; A18-49: 0.8/ 3) and a repeat of Reba (HH: 1.8/ 3; Viewers: 2.69 million; A18-49: 1.1/ 4) were last from 8-9 p.m., the regularly scheduled Reba (HH: 2.4/ 4; Viewers: 3.70 million; A18-49: 1.3/ 4) finished No. 5 in the 9 p.m. half-hour. Lead-out Living With Fran, which is a comfortable way to end the work week, was sixth in households (1.8/ 3), but fifth in total viewers (2.84 million) and adults 18-49 (1.2/ 4) at 9:30 p.m. Retention for Living With Fran out of Reba among adults 18-49 was a solid 92 percent.

Sunday
7pm a repeat of Charmed on the WB (Overnights: #5, 1.4/ 3; Viewers: #5, 1.41 million; A18-49: #5, 0.6/ 2).
8pm On-the-fence Charmed on the WB was last at a 3.0/ 5 in the overnights, 3.09 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 among adults 18-49.
9pm On the WB, Steve Harvey's Big Time scored a typically lackluster (and last-place) 2.1/ 3 in the overnights, 2.20 million viewers and a 0.9/ 2 among adults 18-49.

Summerland Fans, Take Note:
The Aaron Spelling/Lori Laughlin beach drama will return to the WB on Tuesday, June 2 at 9 p.m. ET for five new episodes.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby Warduke » Tue May 10, 2005 5:29 pm

Saw this on Slashdot...

"CBR News is reporting that Dark Horse will be publishing a 3 comic series to provide material that bridges the gap between the Firefly T.V. show and the Serenity film. From the press release: 'The plot of the comic book series centers on the crew members of the ship known as Serenity, who once again find themselves broke and on the wrong side of a number of very large firearms when a heist goes awry, and some old enemies catch their scent. After facing one failure after another, Malcolm Reynolds becomes the target of a conspiracy between government and mercenary forces, and a tense and divided crew must try to unite behind their compromised leader...'"


Sounds like a real winner :stink
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby urnofosiris » Tue May 10, 2005 5:40 pm

Wow, just wow. :crazy
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby xita » Tue May 10, 2005 7:05 pm

that's really funny. Who is going to buy that and read it? Josswad fans and they don't need that "bridge" well hell no one needs it but what they really need is a bridge for people who haven't seen the shit at all. This isn't going to get seats filled. Oh well.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby Sheridan » Wed May 11, 2005 8:30 am

If people who watched the show need a bridge how is a general movie audience supposed to follow what's going on? Assuming I don't mean people renting from Blockbuster of course, I'm still rooting for a straight to DVD release. :devil
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby sam7777 » Wed May 11, 2005 9:23 am

These days announcing a comic for any genre release is almost a standard part of merchandising and promotion. These rarely do well (Dark Horse's Star Wars and Aliens being the two main exceptions). The IDW Angel comic was announced last year and I have yet to see it at my local comics shop. It's also only a limited mini-series from a pretty nothing comics company, IDW that mostly does merchandising tie in comics like CSI. Not quite the level of Image, DC, Marvel or even Dark Horse where the comic was before. Dark Horse is another companie primarily wedding to doing merchandising and promotion comics or anime with little orignal stuff (like Hellboy).

Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn. I'll believe it when I see it on the stands at my local comics shiop and I don't buy it.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Wed May 11, 2005 12:26 pm

saw the VM finale - quite good
I'm indeed hoping more folks find VM this summer - good show - great lead and heck if its on the air there is a chance for more Aly!

from media week
Worthy of accolades as well was the WB's rejuvenated Gilmore Girls, with a 4.7/ 7 in the overnights (#3), 5.14 million viewers (#4) and a 2.2/ 6 among adults 18-49 (#3) from 8-9 p.m.

UPN's last-place All Of Us (Overnights: 1.8/ 3; Viewers: 1.88 million; A18-49: 0.8/ 2) and Eve (Overnights: 1.9/ 3; Viewers: 2.15 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 3).

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 are based on the fast affiliate ratings.

Also in the 9 p.m. hour was the WB's One Tree Hill (#5: 3.1/ 5; Viewers: #5, 3.66 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4)

the season-finale of UPN's Veronica Mars at an improved (but still last-place) 2.6/ 4 in the overnights, 2.85 million viewers and a 1.2/ 3 among adults 18-49. If enough viewers discover the critically acclaimed Veronica Mars this summer, there could be hope for season two.



wed
anyone else wondering why a certain writer would leave the "best new drama" for parts unknown?

from media week
ABC, as usual, got off to a winning Wednesday start with Lost, the best new drama of year (did you hear that, Emmy?), at a 12.4/19 in the overnights, 16.60 million viewers and a 6.3/18 among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m.

On CBS, the conclusion of miniseries Elvis slipped considerably with a so-so 6.8/10 in the overnights, 10.44 million viewers and a 2.9/ 7 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m. Based on the final nationals, part one of Elvis on Sunday (opposite ABC's Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy) averaged a more potent 9.0/14 in households, 13.85 million viewers and a 3.9/ 9 among adults 18-49. Obviously, this is not a positive sign for upcoming CBS special, Elvis, by the Presleys, tomorrow.

Also in the 8 p.m. hour was NBC's Dateline (Overnights: #3, 5.3/ 8; Viewers: #4, 6.72 million; A18-49: #5, 1.8/ 5),
UPN favorite America's Next Top Model (Overnights: #5, 4.5/ 7; Viewers: #5, 5.13 million; A18-49: #3, 2.6/ 8), and the
WB's Smallville (Overnights: #6, 3.5/ 5; Viewers: #6, 3.83 million; A18-49: #6, 1.7/ 5).

At 9 p.m., and opposite American Idol and the second hour of Elvis, ABC's Alias perked up to a 7.4/11 in the overnights (#3), 10.14 million viewers (#3) and a 4.1/10 among adults 18-49 (#2).
On NBC, the once promising Revelations averaged a typical 6.6/10 in the overnights (#4), 8.27 million viewers (#4) and a 3.2/ 8 among adults 18-49 (#4),
while the season, or series, finale of the WB's competing Jack & Bobby remained in the cellar at a 1.8/ 3 in the overnights, 2.10 million viewers and a 0.9/ 2 among adults 18-49.
UPN's competing, and also on-the-fence, Kevin Hill was a typical No. 5 in the hour at a 2.7/ 4 in the overnights, 2.82 million viewers and a 1.4/ 3 among adults 18-49.

MAY SWEEPS
After 13 days (Thursday, April 30 through Tuesday, May 10), CBS is a lock to win the May 2005 sweeps in total viewers with an average 13.63 million up a considerable 3.7 million over second-place Fox (9.93 million). Third is ABC at 9.55 million, followed by NBC (9.51),
the WB (3.46) and UPN (3.46).

Among adults 18-49, the home of American Idol, Fox, leads the pack at a 4.2 rating/12 share, followed by CBS (4.0/11), ABC (3.6/10), NBC (3.3/ 9),

and UPN and the WB at a 1.4/ 4 each.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby jixer » Fri May 13, 2005 1:41 pm

Hello Kittens-

I sort of heard (in Containing Vectors) that on May 10th there would be a Serenity "secret" screening in our metro area. Being half dead from the flu, again, I didn't follow up on it. Thing is none of my SF/F friends heard about it. Nothing. So I wonder-Did it happen? Was it an attempt to get a big test audience? A ritual sacrifice of brain cells? The opening round of a game of knife-in-the-back tag at Universal?

Still sick but up to being curious,

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Postby sam7777 » Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm

Jixer: Sorry to hear about you being sick. Still the flu is prolly less nausea inducing that being in a screening with a buch of ME sychophants.

Serenity is coming out on a busy movie weekend. The studios with brains are putting out mostly adult/art house fare for September release:
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/release.html
September, 30:

Art School Confidential (Miramax, based on a comic)
John Malkovich
Anjelica Huston
Jim Broadbent
Steve Buscemi
Directed by Terry Zwigoff (Ghost World)

Bee Season (Fox )
Juliette Binoche
Richard Gere
Kate Bosworth

The Greatest Game Ever Played (Buena Vista)

A History of Violence (New Line, also based on comic)
Viggo Mortensen
William Hurt
Ed Harris
Directed by David Cronenberg

Into the Blue (MGM/UA)
Jessica Alba

Oliver Twist (Sony)
Ben Kingsley
Directed by Roman Polanski

Serenity (Universal)

Gosh which one does not fit with the others. hmmmmmm

Sereneshit is going up against some name casts and quality directors. I really don't see :joss doing a better film than Cronenberg, Zwigoff or Polanski. September is when the kids are back in school and the adults come out to the theatres:
http://www.themovieboy.com/essays_releasedates.htm
With the arrival of gradually cooling temperatures and falling leaves in September comes the "Fall Movie Season," which ends with the closing of the year on December 31. The fall is the time in which Hollywood unleashes its critically lauded big guns — motion pictures that the studios hope will not only win favorable support from critics and audiences alike, but that will also be major Academy Award contenders when the nominations are announced the following February. While September is a generally slow moviegoing month with few Oscar-caliber pictures, this is not always the case, as proven last year with "American Beauty," directed by Sam Mendes.

Sereneshit is no "American Beauty" but some of the other pictures above may well tap into that September audience. Movies that do well in September tend to be adult fare or horror and while Sereneshit is horrible, it is not horror.

Looking at the historical September Box office, there is not one scifi film in the top 30:
http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/tickermaster/boxoffice/september.asp
And none grossing $50million. The table covers 1989-2004 and has 201 movies. I used excel to sort the numbers.
Highest grossest "scifi" for September was Timecop at #31 with $44.37
million.

The top 10 Septemeber flicks are: ($gross in millions)
Forgotten-------------------------9/24/04----$66.64
Sweet Home Alabama------ 9/27/02---$127.21
Barbershop---------------------- 9/13/02---$75.07
Remember the Titans--------9/29/00---$115.6
Blue Streak----------------------9/17/99---$68.21
Double Jeopardy---------------9/24/99---$116.4
Rush Hour-----------------------9/18/98---$141.17
First Wives Club-------------- 9/20/96---$105.49
Se7en-----------------------------9/22/95---$100.12
Last of the Mohicans--------9/25/92---$71.96

None are scifi or even genre unless thrillers pass for genre these days.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Mon May 16, 2005 12:39 pm

weekend numbers from media week

friday
On Fox, a repeat of theatrical X-Men was left at the starting gate with a 2.4/ 4 in households (#4), 3.79 million viewers (#4), and a 1.4/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#5t) from 8-10 p.m.

On UPN, two episodes of the concluding Star Trek: Enterprise (HH: #5, 2.1/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.58 million; A18-49: #4, 1.6/ 6 from 8-10 p.m.) bested the WB's combination of What I Like About You (HH: #6, 1.6/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.17 million; A18-49: #6, 1.1/ 4), two episodes (repeat and original) of Reba (8:30 p.m. R, HH: #6, 1.9/ 4; Viewers: #6, 2.79 million; A18-49: #6, 1.3/ 5 -- 9 p.m. HH: #4t: 2.4/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.81 million; A18-49: #4t, 1.7/ 6) and Living With Fran (HH: #6, 2.0/ 3; Viewers: #6, 3.01 million; A18-49: #6, 1.4/ 4) by an average of 5 percent in households, 630,000 viewers and 14 percent among adults 18-49.


sunday
Over at the low-rated WB, two episodes of Charmed (repeat and original: 7 p.m. R, Overnights: 1.5/ 3; Viewers: 1.61 million; A18-49: 0.7/ 3 -- 8 p.m. Overnights: 3.0/ 5; Viewers: 3.20 million; A18-49: 1.3/ 3) and Steve Harvey's Big Time Challenge (Overnights: 2.2/ 3; Viewers: 2.74 million; A18-49: 1.1/ 3) remained a distant No. 5 in every half-hour.



FYI - upfronts for next year start today -

NBC Kicks Off Upfront Presentation Week:
In a week riddled with promises and presentations, NBC will kick off the festivities at Radio City Music Hall this afternoon. Rumored programming items at the Peacock network include introducing six new series (three comedies and three dramas), canceling the recently introduced Law & Order: Trial By Jury, and picking up ratings challenged The Office for a second season.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby jixer » Mon May 16, 2005 2:10 pm

Hello Kittens-

I was kind of hoping Enterprise would do better. Oh well.

On another note, after seeing everything but Star Wars garden hose I was wondering what product tie-ins Serenity will have.


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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Wed May 18, 2005 9:46 am

I'd hoped ST would have done better as well - guess the poor closer shows ending it was the right thing to do




looking at WB's fall lineup - can't say I buy their moves for exisitng shows

from media week
The WB IN FALL 2005
Four New Shows, Changes on Every Night of the Week

In addition to introducing four new series (one comedy and three dramas), the WB is hoping to build momentum this fall, particularly on Wednesday and Thursday, by moving four established series -- One Tree Hill, Smallville, Everwood and Blue Collar TV -- into new time periods. Unlike ABC and NBC, which already announced their fall 2005 primetime line-ups, the WB will make changes on every night of the week. Wednesday and Thursday will be completely revamped. Only 4 ½ hours of the WB's line-up, in fact, has not been altered.

In addition, the WB will introduce two new sitcoms (Misconception and Modern Men), and two new dramas (The Bedford Diaries and Pepper Dennis) in midseason. In the movie department are theatricals 8 Mile and The Lord of the Rings The Two Towers, and made-for Felicity: An American Girl Adventures. Fans of Keri Russell, take note - this Felicity is not based on the cult 1998-2002 WB drama.

In returning series news, season eight of Charmed will feature current Extra anchor Mark McGrath, and a double repeat dose of Reba will air in the Sunday 7 p.m. hour. Not returning next season on the WB are Jack & Bobby, Summerland (which will burn off its five remaining episodes this summer), and Steve Harvey's Big Time Challenge.

What follows is the WB in fall 2005 (with new shows in caps and a description of each new series immediately following):

Monday
8:00 p.m. 7th Heaven
9:00 p.m. JUST LEGAL

Tuesday
8:00 p.m. Gilmore Girls
9:00 p.m. SUPERNATURAL

Wednesday
8:00 p.m. One Tree Hill (new day and time)
9:00 p.m. RELATED

Thursday
8:00 p.m. Smallville (new day)
9:00 p.m. Everwood (new day)

Friday
8:00 p.m. What I Like About You
8:30 p.m. TWINS
9:00 p.m. Reba
9:30 p.m. Living With Fran

Sunday
7:00 p.m. Reba Beginnings
7:30 p.m. Reba Beginnings
8:00 p.m. Charmed
9:00 p.m. Blue Collar TV (new day and time)
9:30 p.m. Blue Collar TV (new day and time)


Comedies

TWINS
In the battle of brains versus beauty, Sara Gilbert (Roseanne) and blond Molly Stanton play two twin sisters who look and act completely different. Considering the parents are played by Melanie Griffith and Mark-Linn Baker, it's all in the genes!

MISCONCEPTIONS (midseason)
Former Frasier star Jane Leeves plays a smart and sophisticated mother who is painfully (and the WB hopes comically) out of touch with her 13 year-old daughter.

MODERN MEN (midseason)
Three male childhood friends (Josh Braaten, Max Greenfield and Eric Lively) seek the professional help of a notorious life relationship coach (Just Shoot Me's Wendie Malick). George "Norm" Wendt co-stars.

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Dramas

JUST LEGAL
Producer Jerry Bruckheimer shifts gears in this light legal drama with Don Johnson as a down-in-his-luck ambulance chaser who tries to mentor a young and brilliant legal prodigy (Million Dollar Baby's Jay Baruchel).

SUPERNATURAL
Jared Padalecki (Gilmore Girls) and Jensen Ackles (Smallville) play two young brothers who carry on their missing father's quest to seek out justice and silence the supernatural forces responsible for their mother's murder 20 years earlier.

RELATED
The live and loves of four very different sisters (Laura San Giacomo, Jennifer Esposito, Lizzy Caplan and Laura Breckenridge) is the focus of this ensemble drama.

THE BEDFORD DIARIES (midseason)
Set at a New York City college, Matthew Modine (Any Given Sunday) plays a controversial professor who both challenges and inspires his students.

PEPPER DENNIS (midseason)
Rebecca Romijn is Pepper Dennis, an ambitious reporter with sights on anchoring Chicago's top-rated evening news. Former Baywatch babe Brooke Burns co-stars.



CBS line up - has lots of "jumping on the band wagon" and revival of premise of old hits- type shows

from media week
CBS in 2005-06:
Six New Shows - Two Comedies and Four Dramas

CBS, the No. 1 network in households, total viewers and adults 25-54, will introduce six new series (two comedies and four dramas) in a schedule that is poised to keep the network's winning streak alive in 2005-06. CBS will make changes on five nights of the week (Thursday and Sunday remain unchanged), with veteran sitcoms The King of Queens, Still Standing and the surprise renewal of Yes, Dear all moving to new time periods. The King of Queens will anchor Monday, while Still Standing and Yes, Dear open Wednesday.

"This is a schedule that is both smart and aggressive," notes Les Moonves, Viacom co-president and COO, and chairman of CBS, who also pointed to CBS ranking first among adults 18-49 based on regularly scheduled programming. "We are a network positioned to attract viewers of all ages, including adults 18-49."

Mirroring the current hot trend, supernatural dramas, CBS' Threshold on Friday will deal with mysterious alien life forms, while lead-in Ghost Whisperer features perky Jennifer Love Hewitt communicating with the dead. In an ongoing staple on CBS, two of the network's new dramas, Close To Home and Criminal Minds, will be crime drama themed. Of the 22 primetime hours, in fact, half of the network's hours (including two hours of Crimetime Saturday, a repeat drama rotation) are crime related.

Coming up on CBS in midseason is former Dharma & Greg star Jenna Elfman in sitcom Everything I Know About Men, and 24 star Dennis Haysbert in action drama The Unit.


Missing from CBS' fall 2005 line-up are Judging Amy, Joan of Arcadia, 60 Minutes (on Wednesday) and JAG, four the network's five oldest skewing shows. Also not returning: Jason Alexander sitcom Listen Up, and Old Christine.

What follows is CBS in fall 2005 (with new shows in caps and a description of each new series immediately following):

Monday
8:00 p.m. The King of Queens (new day and time)
8:30 p.m. HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER
9:00 p.m. Two and a Half Men (new time period)
9:30 p.m. OUT OF PRACTICE
10:00 p.m. CSI: Miami

Tuesday
8:00 p.m. NCIS
9:00 p.m. The Amazing Race
10:00 p.m. CLOSE TO HOME

Wednesday
8:00 p.m. Still Standing (new day)
8:30 p.m. Yes, Dear (new time)
9:00 p.m. CRIMINAL MINDS
10:00 p.m. CSI: NY

Thursday
8:00 p.m. Survivor: Guatemala
9:00 p.m. CSI
10:00 p.m. Without A Trace

Friday
8:00 p.m. GHOST WHISPERER
9:00 p.m. THRESHOLD
10:00 p.m. Numbr3s

Saturday
8:00 p.m. Crimetime Saturday
9:00 p.m. Crimetime Saturday
10:00 p.m. 48 Hours Mystery

Sunday
7:00 p.m. 60 Minutes
8:00 p.m. Cold Case
9:00 p.m. Sunday Night Movie

Comedies

HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER
An ensemble comedy from the producers of The Late Show With David Letterman told from the point of view from a family man (Josh Radnor) looking back on his single life.


OUT OF PRACTICE
A family of physicians (including Henry "The Fonz" Winker and West Wing star Stockard Channing) share the same profession but have very little else in common.

EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT MEN (midseason)
Former Dharma & Greg star Jenna Elfman plays a single woman in search of true love, an exciting career and a normal relationship with her father.

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Dramas

CLOSE TO HOME
In this new legal drama, The Bold and the Beautiful star Jennifer Finnigan plays a young, aggressive prosecutor with a perfect conviction record who tries the cases that take place in her community.

CRIMINAL MINDS
An elite squad of FBI profilers (Mandy Patinkin, Thomas Gibson and Shemar Moore) analyze the country's most twisted minds, anticipating their next move before they strike again.

GHOST WHISPERER
Inspired by famed medium James Van Praagh, former Party of Five star Jennifer Love Hewitt plays a young newlywed who discovers she has the ability to communicate with the dead.

THRESHOLD
A team of experts (Carla Gugino, Charles S. Dutton, Brian Van Holt, Robert Patrick and Brent Spiner) are assembled when the U.S. Navy discovers that an extra terrestrial craft has landed in the mid-Atlantic ocean.

THE UNIT (midseason)
A covert team of special agents (Dennis Haysbert, Scott Foley, Robert Patrick and I'll Fly Away star Regina Taylor) risk their lives on undercover missions around the globe.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby sam7777 » Wed May 18, 2005 10:18 am

It's a shame about "Judging Amy" and "Joan of Arcadia" but they weren't misogynist enough for network TV unlike buffy. The failure of Joan of Arcadia shows how small an audience there is for the woman here's supernatural voices genre which is why it continues to amaze me that Fox went with two such shows: Tru and wonderwhyfalls when surely one would have been better.

"The Inside" with Minnear, Furious and JaneEcch starts on Jun 8th so there will be another show to track ratings. Interestingly, Fox's press release describes "The Inside" as "A NEW DRAMA FROM THE PRODUCERS OF '24' (from thefutoncritic.com) As I posted in the ME writers thread, I can't help but think Fox is pulling another "Keen Eddie" and burning off ep of a failed mid-season show over the summer. Eddie also had a 13 ep order as does "The inside". The show was orignially to be a 21 Jump Street Clone and now they are trying for an Alias clone. The show is another one of those with a "complex mystery" that will simply not play well in summer where simply reality shows rule.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby Sheridan » Wed May 18, 2005 12:05 pm

Well the obvious good news is that Aly's sitcom has been picked up, putting her safely out of reach of ME and its minions.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby Garner » Thu May 19, 2005 11:02 am

Sam, what about Medium, which is supposed to have been doing very well and should be coming back next year? That show has a female hearing voices and has been well written unlike most of the ones that have been cancelled. I personally did not like Joan as it was written for women only (or perhaps mostly), wheras Medium appeals to both male and female and also hits the cop show/forensic stuff that is popular right now. I am still not positive why Tru Calling died. Maybe being on Thursday and up againt CSI hurt it.

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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby sam7777 » Thu May 19, 2005 11:43 am

Garner: Time will tell on "Medium". Joan did well it's first season as well. Bascially, I don't think there is enough audience to have many shows with this concept (unlike CSI and L&O) which is why I wonder why Fox did two: Tru and wonderwhyfalls when it would have been better to stick with Tru and not put a similar show on the same night . Tru also suffered from the audience split with wonderwhyfalls IMHO. Tru was building an audience unlike wonderwhyfalls, peepee and North Shore so it's a shame to see it go.

YAY on Aly having her sitcom picked up. I have my doubts she will fall back into ME's clutches given she also has "Veronica Mars" unless the mythical animated series ever gets picked up. Notice how there has been nothing new on that. Wonder why...
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Fri May 20, 2005 7:53 am

Joan did really well first season and garnered lots of honors - unfortunatly the writers got swelled heads and went to dark with the show - they had great talent but wasted it on scripts/story lines that were just plain depressing - people want to be entertained not depressed by tv





UPN in 2005-06:
Three New Series; Comedies on Thursday; Smackdown! on Friday

UPN, the fifth network to present its 2005-06 primetime schedule, surprised the masses by moving veteran WWE Smackdown! to Friday in place of a new night of Thursday comedies, including the highly anticipated Everybody Hates Chris. Of the 31 new fall series presented by the six networks, the Chris Rock comedy (see description below) elicited, by far, the biggest positive response. UPN will introduce three new series (two sitcoms and one drama) in a schedule featuring changes on each of the five nights it programs. Of note for Veronica Mars fans is a better time period, Wednesday at 9 p.m., out of America's Next Top Model.

Also heading to new time periods on UPN are sitcoms All of Us (from Tuesday 8 p.m. to Monday 8:30 p.m.), Eve (Tuesday 8:30 p.m. to Friday 8:30 p.m.) and Cuts (Monday 8:30 p.m. to Thursday 9 p.m.). Unlike the competition, UPN is the only network to have more new comedies than dramas. It's today's environment, that's gutsy.

Current or recent series not returning on UPN are Kevin Hill, Second Time Around, Missy Elliott's The Road To Stardom and the recently concluded Star Trek: Enterprise.

What follows is the UPN line-up in fall 2005 (with new shows in caps and a description of each new series immediately following):

Monday
8:00 p.m. One On One
8:30 p.m. All of Us (new day and time)
9:00 p.m. Girlfriends
9:30 p.m. Half & Half

Tuesday
8:00 p.m. America's Next Top Model (Repeat, new day)
9:00 p.m. SEX, LIES & SECRETS

Wednesday
8:00 p.m. America's Next Top Model
9:00 p.m. Veronica Mars (new day)

Thursday
8:00 p.m. EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS
8:30 p.m. Eve (new day)
9:00 p.m. Cuts (new day and time)
9:30 p.m. LOVE, INC.

Friday
8:00 p.m. WWE Smackdown!

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Comedies

EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS
This single camera comedy is narrated by and based on comedian Chris Rock's experiences growing up in Brooklyn in the early 1980s.

LOVE, INC.
A female dating consultant (Shannen Doherty) helps lovelorn single men and women find their soul mates.

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Dramas

SEX, LIES & SECRETS
Set in the trendy community of Silver Lake in Los Angeles, the intimate and often complex relationships of a tight-knit group of friends is the focus. Denise Richards stars.

SOUTH BEACH (midseason)
From executive producer Jennifer Lopez (as in J. Lo), this ensemble relationship drama features Vanessa L. Williams as one of three young adults whose dreams and aspirations lead them to Miami.
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby Garner » Fri May 20, 2005 10:26 am

helpfulinformationperhaps wrote:Joan did really well first season and garnered lots of honors - unfortunatly the writers got swelled heads and went to dark with the show - they had great talent but wasted it on scripts/story lines that were just plain depressing - people want to be entertained not depressed by tv.


Hmmn, does this sound like anything else? I guess the people in Hollywood don't pay any attention to what each other are doing! Sad.

Sam, you are right that time will tell on Medium, but right now I think it has the advantage of being a little more crimey, like the CSIs and such, but still different. Somehow it seems like it should do better than Tru because it is on a better night. Most people like the original CSI, but a fair number don't like David Caruso and want an alternative to CSI Miami and Medium provides that. And it is written pretty well. Tru was as well, but its on Fox and they can be really weird in their approach to shows. Tru did seem to be gaining numbers, but with the other crap they put in its place it got lost, which is too bad. Wonderwhyfalls and Pointunpleasent both sucked and were way worse than Tru Calling. Why Fox would gamble on those is anyone's guess. But then I questions the intelligence of most Hollywood types, period.

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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Mon May 23, 2005 8:55 am

from media week
friday
The WB was No. 5 courtesy of the sitcoms What I Like About You (season-finale, HH: #6, 1.8/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.43 million; A18-49: #6, 0.9/ 4), a repeat of Reba (HH: #5, 2.1/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.12 million; A18-49: #5t, 1.1/ 4), the season-finale of Reba (HH: #4, 2.8/ 5; Viewers: #4, 4.21 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 5), and another repeat of Reba (HH: #5t, 2.5/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.62 million; A18-49: #6, 1.3/ 4 ). Two repeat episodes of America's Next Top Model on UPN (HH: #6, 2.1/ 4; Viewers: #6, 2.96 million; A18-49: #5t, 1.2/ 4).



sunday
On the WB, a repeat of Charmed (Overnights: #5, 1.8/ 3; Viewers: #5, 1.61 million; A18-49: #5, 0.7/ 3) led into the season-finale of the Aaron Spelling drama at a depressed (and also last-place) 3.1/ 5 in the overnights, 3.26 million viewers and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49. A repeat of the canceled Steve Harvey's Big Time Challenge capped off the evening for the WB with a last-place 2.1/ 3 in the overnights, 2.49 million viewers and a 1.0/ 2 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m.


congrads to Ellen!
32nd Annual Daytime Emmy Awards:
And the Winners Were…

Including the Creative Awards handed out on May 14, ABC led the networks with 12 Daytime Emmy Award wins, followed by CBS and PBS (11 each); Disney Channel and Food Network (three each); NBC, Kids' WB! and Showtime (two each); and one apiece for HBO and TLC. Syndicated programming was the most honored overall with 16 wins, while ABC's All My Children and syndication's The Ellen DeGeneres Show won the most Emmys with five trophies each.

What follows is the list of the key winners at the 32nd Annual Daytime Emmy Awards:

-Outstanding Drama Series: General Hospital (ABC)
-Outstanding Game/Audience Participation Series: Jeopardy! (syn.)
-Outstanding Talk Show: The Ellen DeGeneres Show (syn.)
-Outstanding Talk Show Host: Ellen DeGeneres (The Ellen DeGeneres Show)
-Outstanding Game Show Host: Meredith Vieira (Who Wants to Be a Millionaire)
-Outstanding Service Show Host: Bobby Flay (Boy Meets Grill, Food Network) and Michael Chiarello (Easy Entertaining With Michael Chiarello (Food Network)
-Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series: Christian Jules Leblanc (The Young and the Restless, CBS)
-Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series: Erika Slezak (One Life to Live, ABC)
-Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series: Greg Rikaart (The Young and the Restless, CBS))
-Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series: Natalia Livingston (General Hospital, ABC)



FYI - reviews for Queer as Folk's last season are looking very positive




Monday
On the WB, the season finale of 7th Heaven clearly did not disappoint with a 5.3/ 8 in the overnights (#3t), 5.23 million viewers (#5), and a 1.9/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#5) at 8 p.m. Entering season 10 next fall, expect this ageless family drama to remain the network's most watched show. How do you like that Mary? She hasn't been on the show in years and is still creating turmoil!

Also on the WB, and in season finale news, Everwood closed the season at a healthy 4.3/ 6 in the overnights (#5), 4.64 million viewers (#2), and a 1.7/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#5) at 9 p.m. Although the WB is shipping Everwood to Thursday at 9 p.m. out of the also relocated Smallville, a better option would be to move Everwood to Tuesday at 9 p.m. out of the compatible Gilmore Girls, and new drama Supernatural (which is scheduled Tuesday at 9 p.m.) to Thursday at 9 p.m. out of Smallville. It's all about compatibility, my friends.


On a night of season finales on UPN, it was business as usual with One On One (Overnights: #6, 2.5/ 4; Viewers: #6, 3.36 million; A18-49: #6, 1.4/ 4), Cuts (Overnights: #6, 2.7/ 4; Viewers: #6, 3.54 million; A18-49: #6, 1.4/ 4), Girlfriends (Overnights: #6, 3.6/ 5; Viewers: #6, 4.39 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5), and Half and Half (Overnights: #6, 3.1/ 4; Viewers: #6, 3.92 million; A18-49: #5t, 1.7/ 4). As a reminder, next season Cuts moves to Thursday at 9 p.m. in place of the returning All Of Us. Good luck!


Tue
On the WB, the two-hour season-finale of One Tree Hill, which is no Dawson's Creek, scored a fifth-place 3.3/ 5 in the overnights, 3.72 million viewers and a 1.6/ 4 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m., beating arch rival UPN (keep reading) by an average of 65 percent in the overnights, 1.18 million viewers and 45 percent among adults 18-49. One Tree Hill moves into the Wednesday 8 p.m. anchor spot next season.

In series-premiere news, UPN sitcom The Bad Girls Guide was DOA with a mere (and, of course, last place) 1.6/ 2 in the overnights, 1.86 million viewers and a 0.8/ 2 among adults 18-49 at 9:30 p.m. Retention out of lead-in Britney & Kevin: Chaotic (Overnights: #6, 2.2/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.97 million; A18-49: #6, 1.4/ 3), which dipped by double-digit percentages from last week's debut, was just 73 percent in the overnights, 63 percent in total viewers and 57 percent among adults 18-49. As for Britney and Kevin, please keep the pregnancy off-camera -- we're not interested!

Earlier in the evening, the season finales of UPN's All Of Us (Overnights: #6, 2.0/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.43 million; A18-49: #6, 1.0/ 3) and Eve (Overnights: #6, 2.1/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.88 million; A18-49: #6, 1.2/ 3) barely registered opposite American Idol. Fortunately, both sitcoms will not be facing the Idol juggernaut next season.

from media week
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Over at Fox, two repeat episodes of The O.C. (Overnights: #5t, 2.3/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.44 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 5) only proves that serialized dramas do not repeat well.

UPN's Friday bound WWE Smackdown! scored a typical 3.5/ 6 in the overnights (#4), 5.15 million viewers (#4) and a 2.0/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#4) from 8-10 p.m., while repeats of the WB's Blue Collar TV (two episodes, Overnights: #6, avg. 2.2/ 4; Viewers: #6, 2.18 million; A18-49: #6, 0.9/ 3) and Mobile Home Disaster (Overnights: #5, 2.4/ 4; Viewers: #6, 2.62 million; A18-49: #6, 1.0/ 3) were what you would call typical.



Final May 2005 Sweep Ratings:
CBS and Fox Win; ABC Up Significantly; NBC No. 4

After 28 days of season finales, series finales, and TV events worth noting, CBS and Fox walked away victorious in May 2005. CBS first in households, total viewers and adults 25-54, and Fox No. 1 in adults 18-49 and adults 18-34. Although both networks were up year-to-year (CBS by margins of 7 to 12 percent; Fox 5 to 9 percent), the biggest momentum was at the smiling mouse house, with ABC increasing by levels of 21 to 30 percent in the five surveyed demos. ABC finished the May sweep second in adults 18-34 (Its best competitive position in the demo for a May sweep in 10 years), and third elsewhere. Also on the rise: UPN, which did not air America's Next Top Model in May 2004.

Although the WB was off by minor proportions, fourth-place NBC sunk by levels of 17 to 29 percent. Most concerning for the Peacock net: a 27 percent loss among key adults 18-49 (4.4/13 to 3.2/ 9). Unless one of NBC's upcoming new shows (Fathom, My Name is Earl, The Apprentice: Martha Stewart, E-Ring, Three Wishes and Inconceivable) breaks out next season, the erosion is likely to continue in 2005-06.

What follows are the final ratings in the May 2005 sweep (with change versus the comparable year-ago period in parentheses):

-Households:
CBS: 8.8/15 (+ 7), Fox: 6.5/11 (+ 7), ABC: 6.3/10 (+21), NBC: 6.3/10 (-17), UPN: 2.3/ 4 (+15), WB: 2.3/ 4 (- 4)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 13.62 million (+ 9), Fox: 10.69 (+ 9), ABC: 9.76 (+22), NBC: 9.29 (-20), UPN: 3.42 (+15), WB: 3.40 (- 4)

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 4.5/13 (+ 7), CBS: 4.1/11 (+ 8), ABC: 3.7/10 (+28), NBC: 3.2/ 9 (-27), UPN: 1.5/ 4 (+ 7), WB: 1.4/ 4 (- 7)

-Adults 18-34:
Fox: 4.2/14 (+ 5), ABC: 3.1/10 (+24), CBS: 2.9/ 9 (+12), NBC: 2.7/ 8 (-29), UPN: 1.5/ 5 (+20), WB: 1.5/ 4 (-17)

-Adults 25-54:
CBS: 5.1/13 (+ 9), Fox: 4.7/12 (+ 9), ABC: 4.3/11 (+30), NBC: 3.9/10 (-22), UPN: 1.4/ 3 (+17), WB: 1.4/ 3 (no change)

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby helpfulinformationperhaps » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:18 am

Final Traditional Season Ratings:
CBS and Fox Win; ABC Up; NBC Sinks

Based on the traditional September through May season, which always ends on the final night of the May sweep, stable CBS scored a hefty victory in households, total viewers and adults 25-54, while Fox won its first season ever among adults 18-49. The home of American Idol and The Super Bowl also ranked first in adults 18-34, and both CBS and Fox were close to year-ago levels.

In a season of momentum courtesy of Desperate Housewives, Lost, Extreme Makeover: Home Edition and, more recently, Grey's Anatomy (which I predict will all grow even stronger next year), ABC ended the traditional season on the double-digit percent plus side. Comparably, growth for ABC was 10 to 16 percent in the five below surveyed categories. On the flipside was NBC, which finished third in households and fourth in the remaining categories (including key adults 18-49). Year-to-year, the failing Peacock net was down by as much as 19 percent.

UPN and the WB, meanwhile, were neck-and-neck, with UPN flat in four of the five categories, and the WB down by 6 to 8 percent.

What follows are the final ratings for the traditional Sept. 20, 2004 to May 25, 2005 season (with change versus the comparable year-ago period in parentheses):

-Households:
CBS: 8.4/14 (no change), ABC: 6.5/11 (+10), NBC: 6.5/11 (-11), Fox: 6.1/10 (no change), UPN: 2.3/ 4 (no change), WB: 2.2/ 4 (- 8)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 12.92 million (- 1), ABC: 10.05 (+11), Fox: 10.04 (+ 3), NBC: 9.78 (-12), UPN: 3.35 (- 1), WB: 3.35 (- 8)

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 4.1/11 (no change), CBS: 4.0/11 (+ 3), ABC: 3.7/10 (+16), NBC: 3.5/ 9 (-17), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (no change), WB: 1.4/ 4 (- 7)

-Adults 18-34:
Fox: 3.8/12 (- 5), ABC: 3.0/ 9 (+15), CBS: 2.9/ 9 (+ 7), NBC: 2.9/ 9 (-19), WB: 1.5/ 4 (- 6), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (no change)

-Adults 25-54:
CBS: 4.9/12 (no change), ABC: 4.3/10 (+13), Fox: 4.3/10 (+ 2), NBC: 4.2/10 (-12), UPN: 1.4/ 3 (no change), WB: 1.4/ 3 (- 7)

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
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Re: Just the facts, Spin Vs reality

Postby jixer » Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:49 pm

Hello Kittens-

I see Brett Ratner has been announced to do X Men 3. Actual contracts and stars are connected with this movie, as opposed to another comic book movie.


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